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Loud Cars And Cycles...why?

Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:51 am

Ok, you're going to tell me it is your right somehow guaranteed in the constitution, but can someone really tell me why cars and motorcycles need to be so loud. I'm not talking about the stock car that comes off the line, which are pretty quite, but those cars with custom mufflers and motorcycles that can be heard three blocks away.

Some of you will say: It's my car or cycle, and I'll do what ever I damn well please. Don't they realize that they are infringing on my rights not to have to listen to these "bad ass" cars and cycles in the privacy of my own backyard?

What purpose does it serve other then to compensate for small prick size or just to piss off the over 30 crowd?

Motorcycles don't have to be loud to be safe!

Don't even get me started on cars with "ueber bass" sound systems. I don't wish ill on people, but I hope those kids who drive by pounding their radios go deaf by the time they are 25.

Thoughts?

Rant over....
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RE: Loud Cars And Cycles...why?

Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:57 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
but those cars with custom mufflers

That is fake or rice loud.....A real loud is made with pure cubic inches.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
my rights not to have to listen to these "bad ass" cars and cycles

Care to point out which one of the bill of rights that specificly is.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
or just to piss off the over 30 crowd

Actually a large number of these are baby boomers trying to relive their teenage years...Often they are the only ones that can actually afford a really nice hot rod.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
Thoughts?

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RE: Loud Cars And Cycles...why?

Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:04 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 1):
Care to point out which one of the bill of rights that specificly is.

Don't think I mentioned the bill of rights there....

Quoting L-188 (Reply 1):
Actually a large number of these are baby boomers trying to relive their teenage years...Often they are the only ones that can actually afford a really nice hot rod.

Ya think? I see a lot of kids and their rice rockets.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 1):
That is fake or rice loud.....A real loud is made with pure cubic inches.

I don't care if it's fake or not, but does it make one more of a man?
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Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:13 pm

There's this little place I go to a lot, it's called the Vanilla Bean. It's a cafe/restaurant in the "quiet corner" of Connecticut in Pomfret (really rural area and the food is to die for). This place is a HUGE HIT with motorcyclists. Go there on any weekend in the spring/summer/fall and there's tons and tons of bikers. I'm no fan on the noise, but I love the place so I'd never dream of not going there just because of the noise.

In the end I guess it's only natural for most people to crave attention in some for or another. We're all guilty of that, but some more than others. All you can do is smile and move on. Life's too short.
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Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:18 pm

A loud exhaust system makes as much sense as those little, tiny chrome trailer wheels and tires on a Mexican's 1980 Chevy peek-up.
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Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:20 pm

On a related note, why is it that everyone with a Harley (of a Cavalier/Civic with Foldgers can exhaust) can't avoid cracking the throttle wide open any time they are within 100 feet of any group of more than 2 people? I personally can't remember hearing a Harley (of a Cavalier/Civic with Foldgers can exhaust) with an exhaust note that I'd be proud to amplify.

The simple trait of an exhaust being "loud" really doesn't bother me nearly as other aspects of exhaust noise (particularly as most exhausts, even loud ones, aren't that loud at smaller throttle openings and engine loads).
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RE: Loud Cars And Cycles...why?

Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:24 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
Ya think? I see a lot of kids and their rice rockets.

See those are fake loud....a four banger with a glaspack.

Quoting TUNisia (Reply 3):
In the end I guess it's only natural for most people to crave attention in some for or another.

Actually all engines exist for one reason, to produce hot air, and to soup up on you have to make it swallow more fuel/air to make more hot air. And freeing up how quickly it can clear that hot air out of the engine is a big part of it. A byproduct of that effort is the real throaty roar you hear in most engines.
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Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:34 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 1):
my rights not to have to listen to these "bad ass" cars and cycles

Care to point out which one of the bill of rights that specificly is.


It's called Disturbing the Peace! And it''s disrespectful! (Not that anybody cares about that anymore) There's usually a law on the books for this anywhere you go. Tax paying citizens have a right to live in their own neighborhood, and sleep at night, and not to be disturbed by passing bikes that are loud enough to wake the dead! Cars can't even be as loud as some of those bikes and still be legal to have on the road... That's why they require a muffler! I don't see that it should be any different for those riding bikes while high on testosterone! Damnit, I wish more towns and cities would pass ordinances limiting loud bikes to a certain decibel level, and then aggressive enforce it by ticketing violators! Eventually people would put a lid on it! I hate those scruffy, leather clad, hairy, low-class, arrogant, son of a bitches with a passion!

Quoting Molykote (Reply 5):
On a related note, why is it that everyone with a Harley (of a Cavalier/Civic with Foldgers can exhaust) can't avoid cracking the throttle wide open any time they are within 100 feet of any group of more than 2 people? I personally can't remember hearing a Harley (of a Cavalier/Civic with Foldgers can exhaust) with an exhaust note that I'd be proud to amplify.


And why the hell do they have to sit there and rev their engine every 5-10 seconds when you're at a stoplight or at a standstill in traffic?!? God, that irritates me! Un-hushed 727's, 737-200's, and DC-9 at 100 yards taking off, were less ear splitting than a lot of these guys bikes!

It's like, look tough guy... Your bike is weak! My Cessna 172 , with a good tail wind, can whoop you hog's ass any day the week!

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Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:35 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
Loud Cars And Cycles...why?

99.9 times out of 100 they are attention whores.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
What purpose does it serve other then to compensate for small prick size or just to piss off the over 30 crowd?

Some motorcycle folks will give you the mantra "loud pipes save lives" but I'm iffy on that one.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 1):
That is fake or rice loud.....A real loud is made with pure cubic inches.

I hate ricers and the "molester moustaches" these redneck white rappers sport. Putting a "Fart Cannon" pn a 4 banger is retarded at best. Add to that the cheesy ground effects, Bondo colored body panels until they get another welfare check to pay for the Earl Schibe paintjob, and the gigantic whale tail spoiler because they need more downforce than any NASCAR, F1, or IRL car would ever need. When I rule the world these people will be rounded up and sent to a Turkish prison.

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RE: Loud Cars And Cycles...why?

Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:40 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 8):
When I rule the world these people will be rounded up and sent to a Turkish prison.

If that is your entire platform, you have my vote!

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 7):
It's called Disturbing the Peace! And it''s disrespectful! (Not that anybody cares about that anymore

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Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 7):
I wish more towns and cities would pass ordinances limiting loud bikes to a certain decibel level, and then aggressive enforce it by ticketing violators!

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Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:45 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
Ok, you're going to tell me it is your right somehow guaranteed in the constitution, but can someone really tell me why cars and motorcycles need to be so loud.

Every time one of those goes by I just hope it blows up in a fiery crash. They should be subject to the same noise restrictions that airlines are at SNA.
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Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:08 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):

Every time one of those goes by I just hope it blows up in a fiery crash. They should be subject to the same noise restrictions that airlines are at SNA.

Not sure what happened, but I was at a light, in my mom's minivan, and one of these guys on a motorcycle thought it would be funny to rev up every 2 seconds, while looking at me. Well.... he revved up for the 5th time... and pop! Something happened, and the bike died... I resisted the urge to point and laugh. I just calmly drove off when the light turned green, while he was trying to start the motorcycle several times over.

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Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:15 pm

Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 11):
Something happened, and the bike died... I resisted the urge to point and laugh.

You're a better man than I am. I would have laughed my ass off, taken pictures, and maybe even called the local media to show the dumbass on the nightly news so everyone can see him for the fool he was then.  Wink
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Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:21 pm

Nearly every municipality around here has a vehicle noise ordinance. The local cops love to bust kids and their boom-boom cars. Every squad car is equipped with a decibel meter. If the boom-boom is too loud, the kid gets nailed with a $237 ticket.

There's one local high school kid who's been nailed three times in two months. You'd think he'd learn his lesson after the first time. What a waste of $700.
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Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:38 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 8):
Some motorcycle folks will give you the mantra "loud pipes save lives" but I'm iffy on that one.

That argument may have held some weight years ago. Soundproofing is the name of the game in today's vehicles. Just the other day I was driving along, A/C and the radio on, and I didn't hear the motorcycle (Harley of some flavor) overtaking me in the passing lane until he was right next to me, though I was well visually aware of his location at all times. Keep in mind my Tribute isn't the epitome of soundproofing in vehicles.

That is why I wear a high-vis vest when I ride. It doesn't really guarantee absolute safety, but does make me more conspicuous on the roadway.
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Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:57 pm

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 14):
. Soundproofing is the name of the game in today's vehicles. Just the other day I was driving along, A/C and the radio on, and I didn't hear the motorcycle (Harley of some flavor) overtaking me in the passing lane until he was right next to me, though I was well visually aware of his location at all times.

Just shows why you need to have as short as pipes as possible.
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Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:54 pm

Quoting Molykote (Reply 5):
On a related note, why is it that everyone with a Harley (of a Cavalier/Civic with Foldgers can exhaust) can't avoid cracking the throttle wide open any time they are within 100 feet of any group of more than 2 people?

That's what I wonder as well - and what's worse, my boss is one of them. Even better, he comes to the office and brags about it, asking everyone if we heard him arrive with his Harley ...  boggled 

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Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:50 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
compensate for small prick size



Quoting L-188 (Reply 1):
baby boomers trying to relive their teenage years



Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 7):
scruffy, leather clad, hairy, low-class, arrogant, son of a bitches



Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 8):
attention whores



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):
I just hope it blows up in a fiery crash.



Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 12):
dumbass

Wow you are a tolerant lot. And I am sure you are all meek quiet law abiding citizens.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 8):
Some motorcycle folks will give you the mantra "loud pipes save lives" but I'm iffy on that one

At least if you hear me coming while yakking on the cell phone in your four wheeled cage you might not turn in front of me and take me out.
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Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:07 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 8):
Some motorcycle folks will give you the mantra "loud pipes save lives" but I'm iffy on that one.

Motorcycles can't been seen as well as cars and trucks. Your footprint in a lot smaller and it is easier to be in a car's blind spot. Loud pipes do make people aware of a bike.

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 14):
Soundproofing is the name of the game in today's vehicles. Just the other day I was driving along, A/C and the radio on, and I didn't hear the motorcycle (Harley of some flavor) overtaking me in the passing lane until he was right next to me, though I was well visually aware of his location at all times. Keep in mind my Tribute isn't the epitome of soundproofing in vehicles

Yes with the sound proofing of modern cars I have had trouble hearing a lot of cycles until they are right on me. There have been times I have heard a bike and not seen it.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
or just to piss off the over 30 crowd?

A lot of the loud pipe crowd I see are over 30, sometimes double that age, especially the Harley crowd. In Detroit I see a lot of hot rodders and they come in all ages.
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Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:11 pm

Quoting Andz (Reply 17):
Wow you are a tolerant lot. And I am sure you are all meek quiet law abiding citizens.

It has nothing to do with tolerance! I tolerate a lot in life, but I don't see why I should be subjected to noise pollution that is totally unnecessary and disturbs my peace and quiet.

Quoting Andz (Reply 17):
At least if you hear me coming

Yeah, for at least three blocks.

I hear you coming down the street, in my backyard, and in my house. Now, tell us how that is somehow making the world safer?
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Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:37 pm

Is it not more preferable to have 100 Harleys disturbing your peace than one crackhead with a 9mm disrupting your life forever? I personally (fast approaching 60) would rather hear (in the UK) one 'loud' Harley than 10 ''fart box' scooters. One gear, one speed and one sound (Aagh!)

The one thing I do love about the USA is the fact that you can ride/drive with 'pure sound' coming from the exhausts.

A V8 with 'Headers'. Exquisite. A Harley without any sort of silencing 'Orgasmic' (almost).

BTW, in the first lines of this post I was stating my opinion and not trying to turn this into a gun related debate.

At (nearly) 60, I love the sound of a powerful engine (car/bike). What I cannot stand is the younger people that buy a second hand car (you know) for a few hundred quid and then proceed to put in £xxxx worth of sound systems and drive up and down thumping the hell out of the neighbourhood.

Some have a racey exhaust (actually it's just a blown silencer) and cruise the streets like they were in a classic Ford Mustang. What! In an Ford XR3/Peugot 205/Vauxhall Astra!

How well I remember 'cruising' down to Weymouth in my M reg Ford Mondeo estate. Classic FM on the radio. Open the roof and get burnt by the sun. Arrive at the 'digs' and have a bottle of Champagne and strawberries awaiting for my other half. It's only 50 miles from where I live to Weymouth but, it used to take us about two hours. What's the rush?

Life in a different lane. I'm glad to be getting older.

Long may the noisy V8 and the natural sound of the Harley live. I love both sounds. For me. I'll just pootle along knowing that when I arrive at my destination, love will be in the air. It's amazing what a few bubbles will do to a lady.

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RE: Loud Cars And Cycles...why?

Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:45 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 19):
Now, tell us how that is somehow making the world safer?

It has nothing to do with making the world safer I just don't want to die because some twat in a car didn't see me. My bike is not anti-socially loud but it is louder than the whisper-quiet stock pipes and even then many motorists are oblivious. I will agree that Harleys make an obnoxious and unnecessarily loud noise.
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Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:20 pm

Quoting Andz (Reply 17):
Wow you are a tolerant lot. And I am sure you are all meek quiet law abiding citizens.

Tolerant? Me? Yeah, I am pretty tolerant. If you actually read my post for comprehension you would notice that I was digging into the jackasses who fall into the "Ricer" category who put Fart Cannon mufflers on their Honda 4-bangers or those who have short pipes on an already loud (and I dare say a damn good sounding) Harley for the only purpose of making noise and being an attention whore.

So I say again...read for comprehension before making blanket statements about our posts.

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 18):
Motorcycles can't been seen as well as cars and trucks. Your footprint in a lot smaller and it is easier to be in a car's blind spot.

Not disputing that fact. It is something I understand quite well. but...

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 18):
Loud pipes do make people aware of a bike.

There are stock Harley pipes which are loud and then there are custom pipes which are just too loud. Those are the ones I am talking about versus those who go around with just standard equipment.

Quoting Farcry (Reply 20):
Long may the noisy V8 and the natural sound of the Harley live. I love both sounds.
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Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:54 am

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 18):
Motorcycles can't been seen as well as cars and trucks.

It would help if cyclists didn't drive with their low beam headlight on during the day. When I'm riding, the high beam headlight is on. The only time I switch it to low beam is at night time.

I notice that most countries and a few US states STILL don't have laws requiring "highlight on at all times." It seems strange that the loud pipe fans are many of those who insist on driving without their headlight on.



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Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:54 am

Ah, my biggest pet peeve. We actually ticketed a guy a while back for loud exhaust on his 69 Chevy  Smile Driving down the highway and downshifting to rev up his engine. Let's just say that got our attention  Smile
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Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:20 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 17):
At least if you hear me coming while yakking on the cell phone in your four wheeled cage you might not turn in front of me and take me out.

My mom almost got killed by a tractor-trailer that didn't see her when I was 3. He merged right on top of her. If I was in the car at that time (my dad happened to stay home that day since his boss was sick, instead of going to work, so I didn't go on the errands with my mom), I wouldn't be here now.

With your reasoning, every freaking moving metal object with people in/on it should be loud, in case we get hit. Well, you just increased the overall noise, and everything is the same.

If you're that scared about being taken out by a car, then drive on single lane roads, or don't hover in a cars blind spot.

You're the one being difficult for the other drivers. Yes, we need to look over our shoulders when changing lanes (way too many people don't), but I don't see why we need to suffer just to make your

Quoting Farcry (Reply 20):
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Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:29 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 8):
Some motorcycle folks will give you the mantra "loud pipes save lives" but I'm iffy on that one.

It's very true. I have two sets of pipes for my motorcycle....the stock set, and a set that has been shortened and partially cored out. I used the stock pipes for about 3000 miles, and....not sometimes....not once-in-awhile....but frequently had people pull out in front of me, as well as merge into me.

The very day I installed my louder pipes, guess what? It all stopped. I can honestly and truthfully say that in the past 11,000 miles, not one car has attempted to pull out in front of me or merge into me. Not one.

The best part is, my louder pipes aren't straight pipes. They're a far cry from the ear-piercing Harley pipes that most of us hate. I would describe mine as a halfway point between stock pipes and idiot Harley pipes. They produce a good, healthy, deep sound without being ridiculous.

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 18):
Loud pipes do make people aware of a bike.

 yes  Indeed they do!

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 22):
There are stock Harley pipes which are loud and then there are custom pipes which are just too loud. Those are the ones I am talking about versus those who go around with just standard equipment.

Again, I argue that there are more levels than just stock and completely unmuffled ear-piercers. Plenty of pipes fall somewhere in between, and the riders that use those (myself, for example) enjoy awareness from cars without going over the top.

I think the most vocal critics of loud pipes pretend there are only two categories of pipes in an attempt to make their point.


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Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:49 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 26):
The best part is, my louder pipes aren't straight pipes. They're a far cry from the ear-piercing Harley pipes that most of us hate. I would describe mine as a halfway point between stock pipes and idiot Harley pipes. They produce a good, healthy, deep sound without being ridiculous.

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Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:59 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 23):
I notice that most countries and a few US states STILL don't have laws requiring "highlight on at all times

I thought all bikes since the late 70s always have the light on when the engine is running. At least those sold in the USA.
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Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:08 am

Quoting TUNisia (Reply 3):
There's this little place I go to a lot, it's called the Vanilla Bean. It's a cafe/restaurant in the "quiet corner" of Connecticut in Pomfret (really rural area and the food is to die for). This place is a HUGE HIT with motorcyclists.

I friend of mine from Manchester took me up there a few months ago, and I can concur that the food is awesome and anyone driving on 395 should take a stop by.

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Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:12 am

Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 27):
Ok. Thats a nice compromise

Me too....and it's all that's needed to be noticed in traffic.  yes 

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 28):
I thought all bikes since the late 70s always have the light on when the engine is running.

Yeah, but that doesn't cover Harleys, which utilize pre-1970s technology and come equipped with engines that barely run.  duck 


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Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:42 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 30):
Yeah, but that doesn't cover Harleys, which utilize pre-1970s technology

I'm no Harley rider, but they have plenty of modern tech in them. They are fuel injected now and many have ABS. I would say Harley is as modern as the next bike, for the type of bike that they are.
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Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:08 am

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 31):
they have plenty of modern tech in them.

Oh, I know, but Harley riders are just so much fun to mess with. Two Wheels Only (UK moto magazine) published a close-up photo of the new Harley transmission prominently marked 6-SPEED. Under the photo, they sarcastically added the title Six speeds? What'll they think of next?

On that note, I'm not sure I've ever seen rubber engine mounts marketed as heavily as on the "new" Sportster. I can just imagine all the other manufacturers looking at each other, saying "Uh....yeah.....welcome to 1987...."

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RE: Loud Cars And Cycles...why?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:24 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 23):
When I'm riding, the high beam headlight is on. The only time I switch it to low beam is at night time.

I do the same. In fact, on my current ride, there is no off position for the headlight. My old 50cc scoot didn't have a high beam position, but I could turn it off. I find that just a tad odd, and dangerous.

[Edited 2007-09-21 22:31:30]
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RE: Loud Cars And Cycles...why?

Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:12 pm

People with loud cars and bikes probably wonder why their neighbors hate them
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