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Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:45 pm

http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/B7040DD3-C228-458D-AC2B-18F7900A7CEB/0/iraqipolicecar1.JPG

I never realized that the Iraqi police force had ordered so many Kia suvs and sedans.If you look carefully at the rear you will see the Kia Amanti, which is really not the best car in the world to use in such a demanding enviroment like Iraq. Why are they not buying American products???

Of course this could be a great marketing opportunity for Kia. Imagine a pic of Kia Amanti racing throught the streets of Iraq. That would be some great advertising !!!
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:07 pm

Maybe they're cheaper to replace when they get blown up by roadside bombs...
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:11 pm

Because American vehicles would get stoned and burned.
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:15 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 2):
Because American vehicles would get stoned and burned.

But whether it is Kia or Ford any car with Iraq police on it is going to get hit at regardless of origin by the insurgents.

BTW the Kia Amanti is a horrible overweight, underpowered , piece of crap with sluggish acceleration and lousy handling.

If the bullets start flying you will not be able to get away in that car. Not even in Korea do police use that model for patrol cars....
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:26 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 2):
Because American vehicles would get stoned and burned.

I don't think the people doing the stoning and burning would know what is and what isn't an American vehicle.

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 3):
BTW the Kia Amanti is a horrible overweight, underpowered , piece of crap with sluggish acceleration and lousy handling.

Its a Kia... 'nuff said.
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:33 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 1):
Maybe they're cheaper to replace when they get blown up by roadside bombs...

Is that covered by the 100,000 mile warranty?  Wink
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:52 pm

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 3):
Not even in Korea do police use that model for patrol cars....

They actually use the Hyundai Sonata which is the same engine andd platform.

Quoting Alberchico (Thread starter):
If you look carefully at the rear you will see the Kia Amanti, which is really not the best car in the world to use in such a demanding enviroment like Iraq. Why are they not buying American products???

Because American products are not designed to withsatnd extremen heat/humidity/dusty conditions like Korean cars as Korea regularly experiences high heat/humidity levels. Other than that, just check the JD POwer surveys and you'll see Korean brands rate higher than American ones in term of quality and reliability. Things have changed since the days of the Accent.

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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:57 pm

Would you send half-decent cars into a warzone?
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:01 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 7):
Would you send half-decent cars into a warzone?

I've seen a dew Merc's and BMW's in Scotland.
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:04 pm

Quoting Alberchico (Thread starter):
Why are they not buying American products???

Maybe they do want to go round a few corners.  duck  In any case, the car to use would be a Toyota pick-up truck.
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:01 pm

There have been a number of GM brand, USA made vehicles sold in recent years there.
Probably the main reason is that Kia's (ironically the acronym of KIA = Killed in Action) are cheaper than American made vehicles, perhaps by 1000's per unit yet are decent cars. Other reasons:
South Korea may also get a lot of their oil, more so than the USA, from Iraq so may help with the exchange rate.
Maybe part of USA policy to spread the wealth around to others who are our allies to get into the market easier.
I also believe that some of the original distributors may be companies based in adjacent middle eastern countries and got into the market shortly after the fall of Saddam.
Perhaps too, top people with Kia or the distributor are willing to bribe the right people in Iraq as is tradition there to do business or to buy them for the government, something that the USA government and companies can do.
 
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:50 am

KIA cars are cheaper and they have a much better fuel economy. I was curious about this when I was in Syria as almost every taxi you see is a Matiz, the rest being small KIAs, through broken English and Arabic managed to ask some of the drivers and this is what they told me. They're a lot better than the handful of surviving LADAs, that's for sure!


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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:52 am

Perhaps these Kias are coming from Iran, where Kias are built under license.
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:44 am

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 4):
Its a Kia... 'nuff said.

I don't know. We have a 2000 Kia Sephia (the model was discontinued 2 or 3 years after ours was built) and so far it's been performing quite nicely. If we had that car in Germany, barring any enviromental issues since the car was build under different standards than those in Europe, we could even make at least 180 with it on the Autobahn. Big grin

The only problem is that I don't have a licence (though I can drive), and my father has become a much more impatient and, to my surprise because he used to be a good driver, a horrible driver in these recent years. Other than that, Kia cars are good in my experience and judging from the lack of complaints coming from other people I know who used to have a Kia (though they had a Sportage).  Wink
 
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:53 am

What is happening the all those six pack rings that the Kias come with.....I hope they aren't getting thrown away in the ocean where they could strangle a whale
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:06 am

Quoting Alberchico (Thread starter):
Why are they not buying American products???

Because if they do their fleet will suck up so much gas they might have to invade Kuwait to keep them going.  Smile

KIA have a big presence in obscure places. A lot of vehicle identical to the ones you see in the photo are common in Yemen with cops and MPs.

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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:29 pm

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 6):
Other than that, just check the JD POwer surveys and you'll see Korean brands rate higher than American ones in term of quality and reliability.

Wrong.

Ford Motor Company Captures Most Awards in 2007 Initial Quality Study
http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/pressrelease.aspx?id=2007088

Buick and Lexus Brands Tie for Highest Rank in Vehicle Dependability
http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/pressrelease.aspx?id=2007130

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 6):
Because American products are not designed to withsatnd extremen heat/humidity/dusty conditions like Korean cars as Korea regularly experiences high heat/humidity levels.

Complete nonsense. Fords can be seen all over Iraq, which has much harsher conditions than Korea.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/defensorfortis/143322627/

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 6):
Things have changed since the days of the Accent.

No they haven't. There's a reason why Hyundai and KIA need to provide such long warranties.
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:04 pm

I remember reading that when Saddam was in power,only 1 brand of car could be imported to Iraq.This was back when Chevy made RWD Malibu's. I remember that GM made them specifically for Iraq to run on leaded gas,then the regeim changed its mind and only imported Toyotas. GM then had to reconfigure them back to US standards.

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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:38 pm

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 6):
Because American products are not designed to withsatnd extremen heat/humidity/dusty conditions like Korean cars as Korea regularly experiences high heat/humidity levels.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Wait, I need to catch my breath...

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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:44 pm

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 18):
Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 6):
Because American products are not designed to withsatnd extremen heat/humidity/dusty conditions like Korean cars as Korea regularly experiences high heat/humidity levels.

I think that the guys who designed the Hummer would disagree with you......
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:48 pm

Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 16):
Fords can be seen all over Iraq, which has much harsher conditions than Korea.

But thats a heavy duty truck. Its not as if its a Crown Vic or something for a police cruiser, although I'd admit if I was there I'd want one of those trucks.

Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 16):
No they haven't. There's a reason why Hyundai and KIA need to provide such long warranties.

Yes, they have, believe me.

The warranties are there as a MARKETING exercise to accentuate the quality of the build quality, there are some anomalies, but on the whole they are extremely good.

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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:01 pm

Quoting Alberchico (Thread starter):
Why are they not buying American products???

Can you think of an American small/mid-size sedan which is cheap to buy and low on gas.
The Chevy Impala, Chrysler 300M, Dodge Charger and Ford Crown Vic are the only American sedans that come to my mind. I don´t think they are sufficient cars for the Iraqi police.
I think for a country like Iraq which has other problems than finding a nice and decent ride for their police force a Kia is maybe the best solution.
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:45 am

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 3):
BTW the Kia Amanti is a horrible overweight, underpowered , piece of crap with sluggish acceleration and lousy handling.

So is the Ford Crown Victoria.
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:01 am

Quoting Columba (Reply 21):
Can you think of an American small/mid-size sedan which is cheap to buy and low on gas.

Saturn Ion.
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:52 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 23):
Saturn Ion.

How about one that won't break into pieces if you slam the door shut?

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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:59 am

Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 16):
Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 6):
Other than that, just check the JD POwer surveys and you'll see Korean brands rate higher than American ones in term of quality and reliability.

Wrong.

Ford Motor Company Captures Most Awards in 2007 Initial Quality Study
http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/pressrelease.aspx?id=2007088

Buick and Lexus Brands Tie for Highest Rank in Vehicle Dependability
http://www.jdpower.com/press-release...07130

Not wrong...

Hyundai Leapfrogs Toyota in Quality
http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2006/112_news46
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:15 am

Quoting YOWza (Reply 24):
How about one that won't break into pieces if you slam the door shut?

YOWza

I had a Saturn SC2 for several years. It got broadsided by a Dodge Durango that ran a red light. Needed a door panel replacement. Got rear ended by an old lady in a Neon. Quarter sized hole in the bumper. It finally got killed when I got rear ended by a Camaro and pushed under a Suburban. Interesting three car stack with the Saturn in the middle. Walked away with only airbag rash. Say what you want about the Saturns, but flimsy isn't one of their short comings.
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:05 am

I guess for oil trading as one member already said. Another reason is the reliability. Yes an Amanti will not get you out of a RPG fight but it may be able to repel one. Also the new kias are very safe cars.

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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:30 am

Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 16):
Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 6):
Because American products are not designed to withsatnd extremen heat/humidity/dusty conditions like Korean cars as Korea regularly experiences high heat/humidity levels.

Complete nonsense. Fords can be seen all over Iraq, which has much harsher conditions than Korea.

What's all that stuff between the Missouri River and California then? No heat? No dust? No humidity?

Why don't you just come out and say you don't know doodley squat and you're making it all up?

One of my wife's colleagues has a Kia Sedona that's been in warranty service while they try and get another engine or crankshaft from Korea because the damned crank pulley and nut self destructed three times.
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:38 am

KIA probably gave them a good deal. Simple as that. Another thing to consider is that maybe American companies don't want images of their vehicles falling victim to IEDs all over the internet. Just a thought.

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 3):
BTW the Kia Amanti is a horrible overweight, underpowered , piece of crap with sluggish acceleration and lousy handling.

My friend drives one. It's hillarious because people actually mistake it for the high-end luxury cars it was intended to imitate but in reality its a cheap POS. Makes a great starter car though.
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:07 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 25):
Hyundai Leapfrogs Toyota in Quality

Old news means absolutely nothing. The latest JD Power ratings have Hyundai behind Honda, Toyota, and Ford.

Quoting Captoveur (Reply 22):
So is the Ford Crown Victoria.

Yeah sure. That's why most law enforcement agencies around the country rely on those cars every single day. They must be huge pieces of crap.  Yeah sure
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:37 pm

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 26):
Say what you want about the Saturns, but flimsy isn't one of their short comings.

You'll find more plastic in one then at a Tupperware Party.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 24):
How about one that won't break into pieces if you slam the door shut?

Yeah, they don't really handle cold weather that well. I saw one that got into a -5mph fender bender at -10F. The hood and driver side fender-SHATTERED!!! Crumple zone my ass!
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:46 pm

Quoting Alberchico (Thread starter):
Why are they not buying American products???

Because American products for consumer markets by and large suck ass?

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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:50 pm

I dont know what is funnier.

Comparing a Crown Victoria to an Amanti Police Interceptor or UTA saying that Korean cars are made for heat/humidity better than American cars.

Oh right I forgot, the Mojave and Steamboat Springs are actually near Seoul on the French maps.
 
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:09 pm

Quoting Bok269 (Reply 29):
KIA probably gave them a good deal. Simple as that. Another thing to consider is that maybe American companies don't want images of their vehicles falling victim to IEDs all over the internet. Just a thought.

Thought the same thing.

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 33):
Comparing a Crown Victoria to an Amanti Police Interceptor

Now really....lol

I think the best police cars for Iraq would be the Ford Falcon XB Coupe, V8 351, aussie custom made for
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:36 pm

Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 30):
Yeah sure. That's why most law enforcement agencies around the country rely on those cars every single day. They must be huge pieces of crap.

It is called lack of options.

Name another large, rear drive car that can hold all the shit required of a police car including one possibly obese officer and still get up to 120mph, even if it takes a few days.




Yeah, I didn't think you could either.

The Charger isn't bad and they are catching on slowly. Most departments who have evaluated them love them. The only hangup for most departments is the fact the Charger is more expensive, and that whole resistance to change thing. There aren't too many agencies (if any) singing the praises of the Crown Victoria. Most aren't thrilled with the performance, and a couple of them are more than a little nervous about the way they turn into a fireball if rear ended. Also, Ford knows they have dominated the law enforcement fleet market over the last oh say a decade, so the incentive to price competitively has sort of gone away. I know though- Ford would never price gouge police departments, because they are just that nice.

I know for a fact just about every agency in the SAT area has evaluated Chargers, and a few even have looked at Impalas just to get away from the Crown Victoria. The only thing keeping the Impala from being a serious contender is the front drive thing.. And the fact the car is really not designed to hold up under the strains police work puts on them.
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:45 am

Quoting SBBRTech (Reply 34):
I think the best police cars for Iraq would be the Ford Falcon XB Coupe, V8 351, aussie custom made for
Mr. MadMax himself. All other shit is useless.

I would say that Dodge Charger R/T Police Interceptors are good police cars.

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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:22 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 33):
Oh right I forgot, the Mojave and Steamboat Springs are actually near Seoul on the French maps.

 laughing   laughing   laughing   laughing 

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 36):
I would say that Dodge Charger R/T Police Interceptors are good police cars.

The Iowa State Patrol has been evaluating them and the officers like them, not least because they have a lot of get up and go.
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:41 am

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 35):
Name another large, rear drive car that can hold all the shit required of a police car including one possibly obese officer and still get up to 120mph, even if it takes a few days.

Good luck getting a Crown up to 120  Smile Not with a light bar,you aint.
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:04 am

They should have made the Mercury Marauder a police car.

That was the only worth replacement of the Caprice in the last 11 years until the Charger came along.

Worst was the Intrepid, christ that car must suck for policework (No offence Kai)
 
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:18 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 36):
I would say that Dodge Charger R/T Police Interceptors are good police cars.

How many times have you been pulled over by one?
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:36 am

what about heavy duty hummer H2 models ???
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:06 pm

Wow, that's unfortunate. I feel bad for those who drive Kias...especially these people www.streetkiaz.com

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 41):
what about heavy duty hummer H2 models ???

H2s are about as heavy duty as a turd.

H2s are Chevy Tahoes with faux tough bodies and not much else.

You must be thinking of this:
http://www.kvh.com/mediasupport/defense/images/humvee_turret_300.jpg
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:26 pm

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 42):
Quoting Alberchico (Reply 41):
what about heavy duty hummer H2 models ???

H2s are about as heavy duty as a turd.

H2s are Chevy Tahoes with faux tough bodies and not much else.

You must be thinking of this

The Humvee actually does a relatively poor job of standing up to car bombs and rocket attacks. Do you know how many of these cars have been taken out since the conflict began.

Besides they're too expensive for simple police work.
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:56 pm

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 6):
Because American products are not designed to withsatnd extremen heat/humidity/dusty conditions like Korean cars as Korea regularly experiences high heat/humidity levels.

Do you know anything about the USA? Please come visit the southern US from April through October and then get back to me about high heat and humidity versus Korea. Methinks you are a bit rhaaaaaaed in the brain to make such an uneducated comment.

Quoting Alberchico (Thread starter):
the Kia Amanti, which is really not the best car in the world to use in such a demanding enviroment like Iraq.

I had one as a rental car out of SFO last year. What a dog that car was. I thought the entire time I was driving Hwy. 17 between San Jose and Santa Cruz that it was going to crash on every single windy curve up and down the mountains.
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:57 pm

Quoting United_Fan (Reply 38):
Good luck getting a Crown up to 120 Smile Not with a light bar,you aint.

Wanna bet on that? I have seen it more than a few times. According to radar most of them top out at 124, some will do 125. It takes a while to get there but they can do it.
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:10 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 40):
How many times have you been pulled over by one?

0

Ive been pulled over by a:

-Ford Explorer
-Ford Expedition
-Crown Victoria
-Chevy Impala
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RE: Why So Many Kia Cars In Iraq?

Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:47 am

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 6):
Because American products are not designed to withsatnd extremen heat/humidity/dusty conditions like Korean cars as Korea regularly experiences high heat/humidity levels. Other than that, just check the JD POwer surveys and you'll see Korean brands rate higher than American ones in term of quality and reliability. Things have changed since the days of the Accent.

Hey Dude, time to come out of the closet.

We're all wondering when you're going to defend this horse poo.

By my count it's been called BS at least six times.
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