747400sp
Topic Author
Posts: 3855
Joined: Sat Aug 09, 2003 7:27 pm

Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:40 am

I accidentally came across a Scania truck with one of there huge V8, when I was trying to find a Cat V8 on youtube.
These truck with those V8 sound like beast! They would give a Peterbuild a run for there money. I also fold out that those V8 are 16 liter, that's a BIG V8. Why there no Scania Trucks are sold in the United States? Volvo import truck here but they are too quite. I who love to here the sound of one of those Scania trucks on US roads, heck if I had the money I would import one here.


Check This out!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYsOgrlQ_m0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvzd7Ka5geY

Wow! Now those are BEAST!  Big grin
 
bok269
Posts: 1568
Joined: Fri May 04, 2007 10:19 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:42 am

Because they have determined there is not a market for them here?

Because emmissions regulations prohibit it?

Just speculation, but for any why-not import question related to cars, its usually one of the above.
"Reality is wrong, dreams are for real." -Tupac
 
ltbewr
Posts: 12427
Joined: Thu Jan 29, 2004 1:24 pm

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:03 pm

I believe that Scandia did import some heavy trucks in the late 1980's-early 1990's to the USA, mainly on the East coast. Most of the ones I saw ended up used as straight heavy dump trucks, like for construction, paving work. Probably they couldn't compete with USA brands in that class like Mack, International, Peterbuilt, Kenworth.
 
L-188
Posts: 29881
Joined: Wed Jul 07, 1999 11:27 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:09 pm

I would assume that they don't meet US DOT safety standards, but rather the European standard.

That would prevent them from being sold here. There is a reason why Volvo's are just rebranded Autocars and Mercedes Benz built their plant in North Carolina.
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
 
747400sp
Topic Author
Posts: 3855
Joined: Sat Aug 09, 2003 7:27 pm

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:10 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
Probably they couldn't compete with USA brands in that class like Mack, International, Peterbuilt, Kenworth.

Look at that 16 liter V8 engine, believe me they could compete.
 
SJCRRPAX
Posts: 961
Joined: Wed Dec 21, 2005 2:29 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:18 pm

I believe there is a 25% imporft tariff on trucks, to protect what is considered a critical industry by the USA. Of course some of you wouldn't mind if all American companies went under and the US military had to import trucks from China, Air Tankers from France, ships from Korea, Ferry Boats from Austrailia, cars from Japan. Heck we don't need to make anything anymore. (I guess I got off topic --- hopefully I didn't hijack the thread)
 
CupraIbiza
Posts: 547
Joined: Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:55 pm

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:16 pm

another possible reason could be production constraints. That is Scania couldn't build enough trucks to viably enter the US market. Just an idea

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 5):
25% imporft tariff on trucks,



Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 5):
Ferry Boats from Austrailia,

Really still that high? Australia dropped almost all its tariff barriers to a meaningless 5% years ago. Whilst it inflicts a lot of pain it ensures that the industries that survive deserve to survive and that new world class industires (such as naval ferry construction) develop and flourish
Everyday is a gift…… but why does it have to be a pair of socks?
 
N1120A
Posts: 26468
Joined: Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:40 pm

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:19 pm

Quoting Bok269 (Reply 1):

Because emmissions regulations prohibit it?

Almost certainly not the issue.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 3):


I would assume that they don't meet US DOT safety standards, but rather the European standard.

I doubt there is a difference.
Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
 
AsstChiefMark
Posts: 10465
Joined: Thu Feb 05, 2004 2:14 pm

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:22 pm

Is it a power issue? Those damned things seem to always be going well below the speed limit in Europe.

[Edited 2007-09-27 06:25:03]
Red tail...Red tail...Red tail...Red tail...Red tail...Red tail...Red tail...Red tail...Damned MSP...Red tail...Red tail
 
BA
Posts: 10134
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:52 pm

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 5):
I believe there is a 25% imporft tariff on trucks, to protect what is considered a critical industry by the USA.

It's 25% import tariffs on pick-ups and light trucks, not these large heavy trucks.
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
User avatar
KaiGywer
Crew
Posts: 11182
Joined: Sun Oct 26, 2003 9:59 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:15 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 8):
Is it a power issue? Those damned things seem to always be going well below the speed limit in Europe.

That's because EU regulates that all semi trucks can go no faster than 90 km/h and buses no more than 100 km/h. They all have governors. Also, the speed and time is recorded on a form inside your speedometer, so no faking logs there.
“Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, an
 
SJCRRPAX
Posts: 961
Joined: Wed Dec 21, 2005 2:29 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:02 pm

Quoting BA (Reply 9):

It's 25% import tariffs on pick-ups and light trucks, not these large heavy trucks.

From the more useless information found on the internet....

Well I have never imported a truck of that size, but it seems from this government document on page 68 that the EU has an import fee of 22% on heavy trucks, so I would assume we in the USA would reciprocate .... but I could be wrong.


http://www.ita.doc.gov/td/auto/international/importreq/TBR2006.pdf
 
CaptOveur
Posts: 6064
Joined: Thu May 06, 2004 3:13 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:43 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
Quoting Bok269 (Reply 1):

Because emmissions regulations prohibit it?

Almost certainly not the issue.

You might be surprised. Emissions regs on heavy trucks have been getting stupid in recent years. It is possible they just don't want to mess with it.
Things were better when it was two guys in a dorm room.
 
Go3Team
Posts: 3156
Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2004 1:19 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:12 am

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 12):
Emissions regs on heavy trucks have been getting stupid in recent years.

Ain't that the truth.

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
I who love to here the sound of one of those Scania trucks on US roads

There are a few reasons why that won't happen. I just looked at the Scania website, and I don't see any conventional tractors. To sell any trucks here, they would have to have a conventional tractor. No one is really buying cabovers these days. On the other hand, in Europe, I don't think I've ever seen a conventional tractor over there. I doubt it would be in Scania's best interest to develop a conventional for one market.

Also of importance, is fuel economy. It is a big issue for the airlines, it is also a huge issue for trucking operations. Large companies are and have been opting for the smaller, more fuel efficient engines. They also prefer their choice of engines. If Scania had options for other engines in their trucks, they might also see some interest. Then they would have to develop a way to include those engines in their lineup, that most likely, the Europeans won't probably use.

It's all about the bottom line. It would be a losing proposition for them.





[Edited 2007-09-27 18:24:28]
Yay Pudding!
 
ajd1992
Posts: 2390
Joined: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:11 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:44 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 8):
Is it a power issue? Those damned things seem to always be going well below the speed limit in Europe.

In the UK at least, maximum speed is 56mph. It's basically to save on fuel, i think.

Busses and coaches are 65mph, for the same reason.
 
L410Turbolet
Posts: 5443
Joined: Wed May 05, 2004 9:12 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:55 am

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 13):
On the other hand, in Europe, I don't think I've ever seen a conventional tractor over there.

Scania used to make one since the 1980s, did not sell too well though. Discontinued in early 2000s

http://www.scania.com/Images/D00077-1_tcm10-78334.jpg

http://www.scania.com/Images/04866-01_tcm10-78333.jpg
 
pelican
Posts: 2429
Joined: Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:51 pm

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:28 am

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 13):
Also of importance, is fuel economy. It is a big issue for the airlines, it is also a huge issue for trucking operations. Large companies are and have been opting for the smaller, more fuel efficient engines.

So why would European companies - especially with those much higher fuel prices here - opt for larger engines?

pelican
 
User avatar
RobK
Posts: 3233
Joined: Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:43 pm

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
I accidentally came across a Scania truck with one of there huge V8, when I was trying to find a Cat V8 on youtube.
These truck with those V8 sound like beast! They would give a Peterbuild a run for there money. I also fold out that those V8 are 16 liter, that's a BIG V8. Why there no Scania Trucks are sold in the United States? Volvo import truck here but they are too quite. I who love to here the sound of one of those Scania trucks on US roads, heck if I had the money I would import one here.


Check This out!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYsOgrlQ_m0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvzd7Ka5geY

Wow! Now those are BEAST!

If you had to drive one day in, day out like I had to do until recently, I think you'd soon change your tune!! I drive a V8 580hp myself on heavy haulage work and the engine is brilliant, there's no doubt about it, but I don't find them particularly comfortable to drive, although they're probably a lot better than the antiquated heaps of junk you run over there!!  duck 

This is my last one with a little Daewoo 45 tonner on the back.





And it used to sound like this when you put your right foot to the floor : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq4iA46yPCk

 biggrin 

R
 
srbmod
Posts: 15446
Joined: Tue Mar 20, 2001 1:32 pm

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:10 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 3):

That would prevent them from being sold here. There is a reason why Volvo's are just rebranded Autocars and Mercedes Benz built their plant in North Carolina.



The plants in N.C. were to build Freightliner trucks. Mercedes Benz hasn't sold trucks in the US under the M-B name in a number of years. There really isn't a need for M-B to sell their products here since they own Frieghtliner, Sterling, and Western Star, which covers pretty much the entire market range. The Sprinter is one of the few M-B products sold in the US, with the Unimog being the other. M-B did sell the Sprinter under their name briefly in the US before rebadging it as a Freightliner. Then they rebadged it as a Dodge (as the replacement for Dodge's Ram Van). Not sure what badge it may be wearing in the future since Dodge (along with Chrysler and Jeep) is no longer part of Daimler.

Perhaps Scania is barred from selling their vehicles in the US as part of the deal when GM bought out SAAB Automobile?
 
rfields5421
Posts: 5647
Joined: Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:45 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:30 am

Quoting Pelican (Reply 16):
So why would European companies - especially with those much higher fuel prices here - opt for larger engines?

There is a lot more in the determination of how a truck fits into a company than just fuel.

The basic truck in the US has to be designed for hours and hours on the open road - the US freeway system where wind resistance and it's impact upon fuel economy are very important.

In Europe - the physical size - wheelbase length - of a truck built for US conditions could severely limit the ability of that vehicle in many places. The short wheelbase is one thing which stands out at first glance when I see trucks in Europe, also in Japan. The higher wind resistance of a flat front vehicle and additional fuel costs are minimal factors if the vehicle which uses less fuel won't fit into the required streets and terminals.

What are the grade requirements in Europe? Though we have some tough terrain, most of our US major highways are relatively easy on grades. If there is a requirement for steeper grades than the US, a larger engine which uses more fuel would be justified.

A lot of people don't like to admit it - but the physical size of the US and how spread out our nation is are major factors in the development of many, many products. From the way out airlines are structured to our vehicles to our lack of public ground transportation.

Trucks in the US are carry cargo's coast to coast. That's farther than Madrid to Moscow.

LA to NY is about 2,840 miles by road - and will be driven in a little less than 72 hours with rest stops - 43 hours if there is a two driver team in the truck.

The US is neither better nor worse than Europe or Asia - just different.

The Scania obviously fits the system in Europe very well.

It apparently doesn't fit into the US system.
 
petertenthije
Posts: 3268
Joined: Tue Jul 10, 2001 10:00 pm

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:30 am

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 19):
It apparently doesn't fit into the US system.

This may be an ignorant question, but is coast to coast transport really that important? Certainly it will be a part, but most of the trucks will surely be doing short/medium haul? Something smaller could perhaps be interesting. And whle on subject of small trucks, Paccar owns (amongst others) DAF. Would the DAF truck be a good offer for the US market, possibly rebadged under a Paccar brand? Perhaps not the long range 95XF due to the above mentioned reasons, but perhaps the smaller CF and/or the LF?
Attamottamotta!
 
checkraiser
Posts: 814
Joined: Mon Mar 14, 2005 1:35 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:12 am

There's some truths in this thread and a lot of misinformation. I'm a fleet superintendent for a (primarily) short-haul trucking company. Over the years we have owned and operated every brand of truck (except Western Star) and every engine option, save the M-B.

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
Why there no Scania Trucks are sold in the United States?

Probably a number of reasons. You can't start a dealer network overnight for starters. Secondly, imported trucks aren't often well-received. A number of players (especially from Asia) have tried to enter the North American truck market and have had limited success. One of those was Hyundai, they sold under a different brand (I can't remember what they were called, but the logo was a bear.) Hino ( a Toyota offshoot,) has had very limited success as well. Nissan tried selling trucks under the UD name, which was also a failure. Renault also fell flat on its face, even when they were rebadging them as Macks.

Fleets will also be very reluctant to be the "guinea pigs" for an unestablished brand. Heavy trucks are a big investment. Uptime is critical, who wants to gamble on an unknown brand when the current players in the market have proven that they can build quality equipment?

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
Volvo import truck here but they are too quite.

Volvo does not import trucks into North America. All Volvo trucks for the North American market are built in Dublin, VA. Volvo engines are quiet, but bear in mind that most of those Volvo trucks you see are Cummins powered. Volvo has offered its 12.0L engine for years and just very recently added a 16.0L. Still, most of the trucks have Cummins under the hood because that's what fleets demand. Volvo powered Volvos can be tough to sell, and knock about $5000 out of the resale value. Trust me, I'm trying to sell one now.

Quoting Bok269 (Reply 1):
Because emmissions regulations prohibit it?

One of the reasons. Maybe it could brought into compliance, maybe not. Contrary to popular belief, US diesel emission rules are tougher than those in the EU. The EU is starting to tighten the noose, but they're a few years behind.

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 13):
There are a few reasons why that won't happen. I just looked at the Scania website, and I don't see any conventional tractors. To sell any trucks here, they would have to have a conventional tractor.

 checkmark 

Quoting RobK (Reply 17):
although they're probably a lot better than the antiquated heaps of junk you run over there!!

I know if you came here and drove a NA spec truck you'd change your tune real fast. The typical American truck driver is quite pleased with the comfort level of their trucks.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 3):
There is a reason why Volvo's are just rebranded Autocars and Mercedes Benz built their plant in North Carolina.

Volvos aren't rehashed Autocars. White bought Autocar ages ago. Volvo got involved in a joint venture with GM in the mid-80's and bought White. Some time around 1995 Volvo bought GM out of the venture and started doing their own thing. Freightliner has two assembly plants in NC. Cleveland and Mt. Holly. Cleveland builds tractors and Mt. Holly builds medium duty. I believe both of those plants were there before the Germans owned Freightliner.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 18):
There really isn't a need for M-B to sell their products here since they own Frieghtliner, Sterling, and Western Star, which covers pretty much the entire market range

It's a little better than half the market, but it should be noted that those makes are still pretty much unique in their own right. Climb in a Sterling and you'll see very little has changed since they were Ford. They even share the same radio as an F-150.

Daimler has been very careful to not do much platform sharing and keep these makes very distinct - the opposite of what Volvo has done to Mack since they bought them in 2001.

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 19):

 checkmark   checkmark   checkmark 

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 20):
This may be an ignorant question, but is coast to coast transport really that important?

Yes, you would be surprised at how much freight moves that distance via truck. The average length of haul is about 600 miles these days. That's considerable because of the amount of short-haul loads that are done each day. An American over the road truck driver covers much more ground than his European counterpart. It boils down to the sheer size of the US and a very good, relatively young highway system.

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 20):
Paccar owns (amongst others) DAF. Would the DAF truck be a good offer for the US market, possibly rebadged under a Paccar brand?

Probably not. Paccar used to offer rebadged Brazilian built Volkswagen medium duty trucks in the US. They sold well, but had a lot of reliability issues and the drivers hated them.

If you're looking for sheer, all-out horsepower Caterpillar and Volvo offer engines with over 600 ponies. IMO, that's overkill unless you're doing heavy-haul and/or running in the mountains all the time. The typical late-model American tractor is 400-450 HP.

I do admit, the V8 Scania does sound bad-ass.
N1120A is a camel-fucking terrorist.
 
CaptOveur
Posts: 6064
Joined: Thu May 06, 2004 3:13 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:51 am

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 13):
To sell any trucks here, they would have to have a conventional tractor. No one is really buying cabovers these days.

I may be wrong but if I recall it was the truck manufacturers who made a couple big fleets like JB Hunt and Schneider go to conventionals. For some strange reason those two rather large fleets apparently liked cab-overs.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 18):
Mercedes Benz hasn't sold trucks in the US under the M-B name in a number of years.

Actually, fairly recently I saw what appeared to be a new Mercedes Benz tractor pulling something massive and heavy. I can't remember what it was, but I do recall being stunned to see a Mercedes Benz tractor. They must be selling them somewhere.

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 20):
This may be an ignorant question, but is coast to coast transport really that important?

YES! Our coasts are the most densely populated parts of our country. It is important to be able to move crap between them.

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 21):
Renault also fell flat on its face, even when they were rebadging them as Macks.

Anything had to be an improvement for the Mack brand.
Things were better when it was two guys in a dorm room.
 
747400sp
Topic Author
Posts: 3855
Joined: Sat Aug 09, 2003 7:27 pm

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:55 am

[quote=RobK,reply=17]If you had to drive one day in, day out like I had to do until recently, I think you'd soon change your tune!! I drive a V8 580hp myself on heavy haulage work and the engine is brilliant, there's no doubt about it, but I don't find them particularly comfortable to drive, although they're probably a lot better than the antiquated heaps of junk you run over there!!

This is my last one with a little Daewoo 45 tonner on the back.





And it used to sound like this when you put your right foot to the floor : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq4iA46yPCk



R



Well I glad to hear from somebody who drive one of these trucks. I surprise that you do not like them. Why are they uncomfortable, if you do not mind me asking?
 
checkraiser
Posts: 814
Joined: Mon Mar 14, 2005 1:35 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:10 am

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 22):
I may be wrong but if I recall it was the truck manufacturers who made a couple big fleets like JB Hunt and Schneider go to conventionals. For some strange reason those two rather large fleets apparently liked cab-overs.

JB Hunt started specing conventionals while the International Harvester cabover was still available. JB's decision to move to conventionals was the death of the cabover.

Schneider's reasoning most likely had to do with the increased manueverability and line of sight cabovers offer. Schneider has its own training program, thus many of their drivers are inexperienced.

Other than the manueveraility factor, I can't see why on earth anybody would choose to drive one. Since the steer axle is under your butt they ride like a haywagon. The engine take up precious room in the cab, is noisier due to it's close proximity, and throws off heat. It's a PITA to tilt the cab to perform engine work and they offer very little protection in a frontal collision. I understand why they're popular in Europe and Asia, but never got why any OTR operator would want them here.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 22):
Anything had to be an improvement for the Mack brand.

I should have elaborated before. The Renault imports were cabover medium duty models - a market Mack never entered with its own equipment. Renault never exported heavy duty units to the US. Mack may not have made the best OTR tractors, but they are well respected in the vocational field.
N1120A is a camel-fucking terrorist.
 
User avatar
KaiGywer
Crew
Posts: 11182
Joined: Sun Oct 26, 2003 9:59 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:58 am

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 13):
I doubt it would be in Scania's best interest to develop a conventional for one market.

Well, Volvo did. None of the Volvos sold here are sold (at least on a large scale) in Europe.
“Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, an
 
Go3Team
Posts: 3156
Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2004 1:19 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:16 am

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 22):
For some strange reason those two rather large fleets apparently liked cab-overs.

When I first started driving, my first company was CRST. They were/are pretty big and also went the cabover route. When I was in training, they had just started to buy the Freightliner conventional.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 25):
Well, Volvo did.



Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 21):
Volvos aren't rehashed Autocars. White bought Autocar ages ago. Volvo got involved in a joint venture with GM in the mid-80's and bought White. Some time around 1995 Volvo bought GM out of the venture and started doing their own thing.

 tongue 
Yay Pudding!
 
User avatar
WildcatYXU
Posts: 2611
Joined: Sat May 06, 2006 2:05 pm

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:25 am

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 24):
Other than the manueveraility factor, I can't see why on earth anybody would choose to drive one.

In Europe it's an absolute necessity because of overall lengh limit of 15.5 m.
310, 319, 320, 321, 333, 343, 345, 346, 732, 735, 73G, 738, 744, 752, 762, 763, 77L, 77W, 788, AT4, AT7, BEH, CR2, CRA, CR9, DH1, DH3, DH4, E75, E90, E95, F28, F50, F100, Saab 340, YAK40
 
L-188
Posts: 29881
Joined: Wed Jul 07, 1999 11:27 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:33 am

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 24):
Other than the manueveraility factor, I can't see why on earth anybody would choose to drive one. Since the steer axle is under your butt they ride like a haywagon

I think that back in the 60-70's there where more lenght issues for trucks then today.

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 27):
In Europe it's an absolute necessity because of overall lengh limit of 15.5 m.

I'll have to look, I know that one of our local haulers have some pretty long Kenworths to run the haulroad to PBU. That is 400 miles of gravel.
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
 
747400sp
Topic Author
Posts: 3855
Joined: Sat Aug 09, 2003 7:27 pm

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:50 am

Isn't driving a cab over almost like driving a buses?
 
AC777LR
Posts: 825
Joined: Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:07 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:14 pm

Cabovers, there is one thing for sure, in an accident you are the first one there. I think Schneider is replacing their cab overs with the Freightliner Century Class. I know from the municipal sector Sterling has that market. In the European trucks, do they run the Eaton-Fuller transmission?
Member since April 2000
 
User avatar
jetmech
Posts: 2316
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:14 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:12 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
I also fold out that those V8 are 16 liter, that's a BIG V8.

Nice stuff 747400sp! The Scandinavians build some awesome trucks! Volvo has a 16 litre straight six in their line up. The D16E in it's most powerful version puts out 660hp and 3100Nm (2286 ft-lb) of torque.

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/02/volvo_introduce.html

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 13):
I just looked at the Scania website, and I don't see any conventional tractors

Hey Go3Team. What are the relative advantages and disadvantages of conventional and cab-over designs? In Oz we seem to get both types. Most of the shorter range stuff owned as part of fleets seem to be cab-overs, but you also see many conventional units as well.

Anyhow, he are some more videos. The first is of a Scania V8, the other tow are of Volvo FH16's  Smile







Regards, JetMech
JetMech split the back of his pants. He can feel the wind in his hair :shock: .
 
Go3Team
Posts: 3156
Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2004 1:19 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:18 pm

Quoting AC777LR (Reply 30):
I think Schneider is replacing their cab overs with the Freightliner Century Class.

I can't remember the last time I saw a Schneider cab over.

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 29):
Isn't driving a cab over almost like driving a buses?

Pretty close, although on the bus, the engine is in the back.

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 27):
In Europe it's an absolute necessity because of overall lengh limit of 15.5 m.

We have trailers longer then that. 16.1m - 16.2m. Add another 6-8m for those super sleeper tractors, and thats one hell of a truck.
Yay Pudding!
 
BA
Posts: 10134
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:19 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 29):
Isn't driving a cab over almost like driving a buses?

No. In a cabover, the engine is located underneath the driver's seat.

A bus has its engine located in the back, far away from the driver.
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
Go3Team
Posts: 3156
Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2004 1:19 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:29 pm

Quoting JetMech (Reply 31):
Hey Go3Team. What are the relative advantages and disadvantages of conventional and cab-over designs? In Oz we seem to get both types.

Conventional
Pros:
More aerodynamic
Easier to work on
More floor space
Better ride quality
Cooler floor

Cons:
Heavier
Larger turning radius

Cab-over:
Pros:
Shorter turning radius
Lighter weight

Cons:
Less aerodynamic
Bad ride quality
Hotter floor
Harder to work on
Less aerodynamic

There are probably more, but those are the ones I could come up with.

Quoting JetMech (Reply 31):
In Oz

Oh, you know anyone hiring down there?  Wink
Yay Pudding!
 
User avatar
jetmech
Posts: 2316
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:14 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:37 pm

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 34):

Thanks for that Go3Team  bigthumbsup !

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 34):
Oh, you know anyone hiring down there?

If you want to give it a go, I suggest you Google mining companies such as BHP and Rio Tinto in Western Australia (WA). There is currently a mining boom in WA, and apparently I just read in the papers today that even young people with relatively little experience are being hired by these companies to drive trucks for $80,000 (AUS) a year! (might go and do it myself!). I'm not sure if they drive the large mining trucks or on road trucks however.

Regards, JetMech
JetMech split the back of his pants. He can feel the wind in his hair :shock: .
 
checkraiser
Posts: 814
Joined: Mon Mar 14, 2005 1:35 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:52 pm

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 32):
I can't remember the last time I saw a Schneider cab over.

They're done.

You also forgot to mention driver retention. The driver shortage is only getting worse - OTR companies need to do all they can to retain their good drivers.

Quoting BA (Reply 33):
In a cabover, the engine is located underneath the driver's seat.

It's actually between the seats. You have to literally crawl over it to get to the passenger seat or to get into the sleeper berth (if equipped.)

Quoting JetMech (Reply 31):
In Oz

Where trucking is done right. I want to get behind the wheel of one of these before I die





http://www.volker-steinlein.de/australia_pics/road_train.jpg
N1120A is a camel-fucking terrorist.
 
mika
Posts: 2810
Joined: Thu Jul 27, 2000 7:53 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:02 pm

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 13):
They also prefer their choice of engines. If Scania had options for other engines in their trucks, they might also see some interest. Then they would have to develop a way to include those engines in their lineup, that most likely, the Europeans won't probably use.



Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 27):
In Europe it's an absolute necessity because of overall lengh limit of 15.5 m.

Here in Sweden the legal limit is actually 24m, we have that as the only nation in the EU i believe.
 
checkraiser
Posts: 814
Joined: Mon Mar 14, 2005 1:35 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:49 pm

Do you see conventional tractors in Sweden?
N1120A is a camel-fucking terrorist.
 
Go3Team
Posts: 3156
Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2004 1:19 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:13 pm

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 36):
You also forgot to mention driver retention. The driver shortage is only getting worse - OTR companies need to do all they can to retain their good drivers.

I know what I need, $$$$$.
Yay Pudding!
 
CaptOveur
Posts: 6064
Joined: Thu May 06, 2004 3:13 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:22 pm

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 36):
You also forgot to mention driver retention. The driver shortage is only getting worse - OTR companies need to do all they can to retain their good drivers.



Quoting Go3Team (Reply 39):
I know what I need, $$$$$.

Thats the problem, and the solution- but the larger problem is rising fuel costs. It is hard to give more money to the drivers when the number one variable cost is going nuts (once again, thanks to the tree hugging weenies). Someone will always haul for less and pay drivers more, but they won't be around more than a couple months.
Things were better when it was two guys in a dorm room.
 
nitrohelper
Posts: 406
Joined: Tue Mar 08, 2005 5:32 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:29 pm

Most of the US used to have an overall length limit (65') , that went away as part of the highway laws that allowed 80,000# instead of 73,000# and it allowed 53' trailers instead of 48'. Now the power unit can be almost anything.
Hunt and Schneider owned IH dealerships, plus cab overs were cheaper. Now you need to use the long wheelbase to keep drivers on the OTR haul routes.
I hear that many of the used cab overs went to Mexico ?
 
Go3Team
Posts: 3156
Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2004 1:19 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:39 pm

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 40):
Thats the problem, and the solution- but the larger problem is rising fuel costs. It is hard to give more money to the drivers when the number one variable cost is going nuts (once again, thanks to the tree hugging weenies). Someone will always haul for less and pay drivers more, but they won't be around more than a couple months.

Oh yeah. Someone needing a load home will undercut everybody, just to get there.

Quoting Nitrohelper (Reply 41):
I hear that many of the used cab overs went to Mexico ?

They are sent to Mexico, and I also read an article somewhere, where they were being sent to South Africa. One mans junk, is another mans treasure...

Freightliner (I think) had/has a program, where they would turn a sleeper cabover into a conventional daycab. I think the cab was new, but the drivetrain was used. I don't know how well it did.
Yay Pudding!
 
User avatar
WildcatYXU
Posts: 2611
Joined: Sat May 06, 2006 2:05 pm

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:50 pm

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 34):

Now imagine that some European companies in order to save floor space for cargo are running trucks with the sleeper area above the driver...  yuck 
310, 319, 320, 321, 333, 343, 345, 346, 732, 735, 73G, 738, 744, 752, 762, 763, 77L, 77W, 788, AT4, AT7, BEH, CR2, CRA, CR9, DH1, DH3, DH4, E75, E90, E95, F28, F50, F100, Saab 340, YAK40
 
Go3Team
Posts: 3156
Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2004 1:19 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:24 am

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 43):
Now imagine that some European companies in order to save floor space for cargo are running trucks with the sleeper area above the driver...

The one thing I've always wondered, is did they even have a sleeper. There isn't much room behind the driver, so I figured they didn't have sleepers.

Compare the 72" of sleeper goodness in my tractor:


To no room at all:






Yeah, that's not for me.
Yay Pudding!
 
User avatar
WildcatYXU
Posts: 2611
Joined: Sat May 06, 2006 2:05 pm

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:37 am

Fully agree, Go3Team. European tractors definitely don't offer decent working and living conditions to the driver.
310, 319, 320, 321, 333, 343, 345, 346, 732, 735, 73G, 738, 744, 752, 762, 763, 77L, 77W, 788, AT4, AT7, BEH, CR2, CRA, CR9, DH1, DH3, DH4, E75, E90, E95, F28, F50, F100, Saab 340, YAK40
 
Bongodog1964
Posts: 3096
Joined: Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:29 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:47 am

One factor in the horsepower requirement, is that European trucks operate to higher weight limits than in the USA.
We are now at either 40 or 44 tonnes depending upon the location and use. Thats about 88,000 or 97,000 lbs
 
checkraiser
Posts: 814
Joined: Mon Mar 14, 2005 1:35 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:35 pm

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 40):
Thats the problem, and the solution- but the larger problem is rising fuel costs.

It's some of it, but it also goes much deeper than that. A successful company passes the fuel costs on to their customers via a fuel surcharge that changes weekly when the DOE releases the average fuel price statistics. All of our customers pay a fuel surcharge (currently 19.5%). All of them - it's non-negotiable, and if they threaten to take their business to someone who will fix (or eliminate) the fuel surcharge we let it go. The trucking industry is very cutthroat and has slim margins. All you can do is offer honest, excellent service. Some customers rely on good service and will pay for it - those are the ones you value and bust your ass to keep.

A lot of the problems arose from deregulation. That's not to say I'm for regulation, but it drastically changed transportation in the USA forever. Basically anybody can go out and buy a truck, get some insurance, kick $550 to Uncle Sam for a DOT number and bang, you're a trucking company. Now you need customers - but who's going to use an unknown carrier unless you can undercut the current guy? So you hustle some really cheap outbound loads and get some even cheaper broker freight to get you back home. You're running the freight so cheap that you can't afford to pay the driver much, you can't afford tolls so he has to take the back roads, you can't afford proper maintenence and repairs so you cross your fingers that your truck doesn't get a level 1 inspection at the scale. Now your driver delivered in south FL or north TX (both notoriously bad spots to get outbound freight) and needs a load to come back - but it takes you three days (he's not getting paid because the truck is not moving) to get one and it pays a ridiculous rate of $.85/mile and has three different drops.

The poor bastard finally gets home and wants to spend a weekend with his family but can't, because you have another load that needs to be in Cincinnati in 15 hours. He can't get there without cheating his logs, but you have no choice because the bank is ready to repo the truck cause you aren't making any money and you can't get anybody else to drive it because who wants to live that lifestyle? You can't tell your customer they have to wait, because they'll find some other hungry outfit to do it before you can blink your eyes. Wash, rinse, repeat. These OTR upstarts (there are TONS of them) choke the industry.

It's a story I've heard countless times. Nearly all of our drivers have come to me with that same story; they want off the road. We're forutnate being short-haul LTL that we can usually get good drivers. Our guys are home daily, don't work weekends and are paid houry instead of by the mile.

The personnell aspects of the OTR industry need serious reform - but without government regulation of some sort I don't think it's likely to happen anytime soon.
N1120A is a camel-fucking terrorist.
 
checkraiser
Posts: 814
Joined: Mon Mar 14, 2005 1:35 am

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:39 pm

Quoting Nitrohelper (Reply 41):
I hear that many of the used cab overs went to Mexico ?

Not just cabovers but everything. Once it's not really fit for our roads any longer they are usually exported to Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean. I was in Laredo once and couldn't believe all of the old trucks "piggybacked" heading for the border.
N1120A is a camel-fucking terrorist.
 
deskflier
Posts: 525
Joined: Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:59 pm

RE: Why Scania Do Not Sell Their V8 Trucks In The US?

Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:19 pm

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 38):
Do you see conventional tractors in Sweden?

Not since some 30-odd years.


To try to answer the original question in the thread starter: It might be like this. When You market a product in the USA, there is only one thing that is certain: You will be sued sooner or later! Maybe Scania Trucks don't think the risk of being sued for millions of dollars is a chance they want to take.
How can anyone not fly, when we live at a time when we can fly?

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 17 guests