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Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:58 am

I know apart from us people everything in the world is "made in China" (although I swear they make people too). But when buying stuff, does your patriotism play a part in purchasing whatever it is that you are buying? Or is it brand, cheap or word of mouth is generally your style?

Personally........cheap + good.  Big grin
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:10 am

Where its made doesn't play any role in my decisions; every corporation has become so globalized that it really doesn't matter anymore where something is made.

If the choice is between a big-box retailer, and a mom and pop store though I'll try to buy from the mom and pop store.
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:13 am

Nation of origin is not something that I examine that closely. However, I will patronize a local business instead of a national chain whenever possible. Above all else, I avoid shopping at Wal-mart unless there is absolutely no other alternative available.
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:15 am

I'll never own or even consider owning a vehicle that isn't made in the USA or Canada by an American-based manufacturer. To hell with those Toyotas that are built in Kentucky and Indiana. They're still Japanese vehicles.

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Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:23 am

I feel no compelling desire to "buy American", but I will go out of my way to avoid products from certain countries or companies.

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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:32 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 3):
I'll never own or even consider owning a vehicle that isn't made in the USA or Canada by an American-based manufacturer

Same here. However, the manufacturers themselves are forcing me to switch. I'd like a car with a manual transmission again, however it's it's virtually impossible to buy a midsize American car with MT. If I won't be able to afford the payments for the G8 or CTS when the time comes, I'll have to turn to Japanese.
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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:40 am

As long as it isn't a knockoff or something low-quality, and if I either need it or just want it, I'll buy it.
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:44 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 3):
I'll never own or even consider owning a vehicle that isn't made in the USA or Canada by an American-based manufacturer. To hell with those Toyotas that are built in Kentucky and Indiana. They're still Japanese vehicles.

For once I can agree with you.  Smile
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:59 am

I would like to, but as mentioned before, globalization makes it difficult. I'm more brand conscious than anything.
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 5:13 am

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 5):
I'd like a car with a manual transmission again, however it's it's virtually impossible to buy a midsize American car with MT.

Amen!!! I had to special order my last car with a 5 speed because when the dealer did an inventory search of the whole state, no vehicles had manual transmissions. Grrrr
 
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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Sat Oct 06, 2007 5:26 am

I don't care where a product is made.

I care about its quality, reliability, and overall value and that is what I consider when purchasing products.

I have a Toyota Corolla not because I think it's cool to own a Japanese car, but because I wanted a proven, reliable, and fuel-efficient car.

I give credit where due and I don't let patriotism blind me.
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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:08 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 3):
I'll never own or even consider owning a vehicle that isn't made in the USA or Canada by an American-based manufacturer.

Good luck with that. The majority of the parts on your "American vehicle" are produced over seas.

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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:22 am

This is getting very difficult. It bugs me every time.

As an example, I want to buy a Ralph Lauren shirt in a Duty Free store like DFS, I look at the tag and it says "Made in Sri Lanka" or such other country.

What bugs me is that the people working in the factories in Sri Lanka, Thailand, China, the Philippines (or else) get paid zilch and often have to work in less than human conditions (at least compared to us) with no health, working innumerable hours.

This is not only for clothing, it is the same for so many consumers products. Globalization, cheap labour and a hard life for some, huge profits for others.

Also I prefer small businesses an try to avoid chain outlets (Starbucks et al) as much as I can.
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:34 am

As far as food is concered I stick to home made products. Finland and Austrian prudcts first!  Smile

It is hard to get clothes from your home country unless you live in Srilanka, China or any other low cost producing countries.
 
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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:59 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 12):

Look at it this way, nothing is going to change if you don't buy that stuff. Heck, you might as well stop buying gas for the car. The best thing you can do is get involved with charities or other relief organizations.
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:14 am

I honestly don't give a shit where something is made or who makes it.

If Americans could make it better for the same or less money, they would be making it.
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:28 am

I happily own a Honda Civic, a Yamaha guitar, and a Toshiba laptop.

I'm not pro-Japanese or anti-American. They just happened to be the best values when I bought them.
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:52 am

I wouldn't say that I consider patriotism when buying something, but I do consider country of origin i.e. I'm not Finnish but I stick exclusively with Nokia phones, I'm not English but I love English cars, I'm not Swiss but I will only buy premium chocolate if it is Swiss, etc. I do try to support Lebanese products when I can, but typically that is limited to Arak, wine and MEA.
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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:53 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 12):
As an example, I want to buy a Ralph Lauren shirt in a Duty Free store like DFS, I look at the tag and it says "Made in Sri Lanka" or such other country.

Aren't they knock-offs?  duck  You'll also see Indonesia and Malaysia on the tags. The last RL shirt I bought was made in Portugal!

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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:28 pm

I don't care where the stuff is made, if it's good, I'll buy it.. I own a french car, an american Bike...
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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:31 pm

Not in the least, I buy what I buy based on quality, price, value-for-money. However, when buying fresh produce (fish, meat, veg) I try to buy local (which is pretty easy in France) - support local agriculture etc.
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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:01 pm

Being totally devoid of patriotism of any kind toward any nation, I never base my purchases on the country of origin of the product.

"Made in" labels are useless information; in fact, they're totally meaningless. They say nothing about where individual components were manufactured or who exactly made them and for how much. If you think buying your country's products helps protect people from exploitation overseas, think again.

And remember that every time you fill up your car, or take a flight, you can be 90% sure your money is going straight into the pockets of some oil-rich dictator somewhere.

Plus, my experience tells me there is no clear correlation between country of origin and quality. My "made in Japan" stereo is an abominable POS, while my cheapo "made in Turkey" TV works perfectly well, for instance.

As for Belgian products, there's not much to choose from anyway. I do drink a lot of Belgian beer (because it's the best in the world ) but I also regularly buy good foreign brands (beer thread, anyone?) Besides that, I had my PC built to my specifications by a tiny local company, but I won't do it again because they're overpriced and their customer service sucks.

I have never been on a Sabena/Brussels Airlines flight either, but that's just a coincidence.

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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:08 pm

Quoting ZOTAN (Reply 1):
If the choice is between a big-box retailer, and a mom and pop store though I'll try to buy from the mom and pop store.

As others have said, I don't so much consider the origin of the product but rather to whom I'm giving my money. I try and support local commerce where possible over chain retailers.

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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:21 pm

Not so much. I try to only by from companies that have Fair Labor Association licenses for their clothes. If they don't, I look at where its made and will usually buy it if its made in the United States, Italy or another developed country. I rarely buy clothing if it doesn't meet those standards.
 
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:39 pm

I would only buy an American Flag or related patriotic symbols made in the USA.
All but one car I have ever owned and operated was made by GM, Ford or Chrysler, using UAW/CAW workers, in USA or Canadian plants. The only non-USA car was a used 1970 Toyota I owned for about 7 months back in the mid-1970's.
To me all religious related items like Christmas Card with Christian religious themes, Christian crosses, Christmas creche scenes and most parts to them or any religious books, especially Bibles shouldn't come from a country like the PRC where Christian religious practices are practically banned or severely restricted.
I also refuse to buy items as best as possible from Vietnam. I had a cousin killed in the Vietnam War about 40 years ago. Myanmar is another country I would rather not buy anything from, for reasons best noted by the events there in the last weeks.
I would rather not buy items made in Pakistan as too many in that country are too supportive of al-Queda and related anti-western, anti-American government attitudes.
I hate it when IKEA and others that sell Persian rugs sell those made in Iran - I don't think the USA should import anything but oil from there for understandable reasons.
I am very concerned that so little of our clothing and manufactured goods are being made in the USA. God forbid if there were to be a major port workers strike (like at Los Angeles/Long Beach). Worse is that under the WTO rules, we may have to have weaker pollution and labor rules if others protest, losing our sovergery. We have lost many millions of good paying or 'starter' jobs that need humans to do them going overseas due to the cost of labor, but at a loss of quality control like not using leaded paints on toys.
 
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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:40 pm

Not at all, unless I know it is the best choice.I used to consume some Greek products available at Tesco only because it was hard to find something better.
 
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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:26 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 24):
I also refuse to buy items as best as possible from Vietnam. I had a cousin killed in the Vietnam War about 40 years ago.

40 years ago ? Isn't that enough time ? Has Vietnam not rehabilitated itself since then ? Not to mention that the war in Vietnam was not of Vietnam's making...

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 24):
I hate it when IKEA and others that sell Persian rugs sell those made in Iran - I don't think the USA should import anything but oil from there for understandable reasons.

Trouble is, Persian carpets ONLY come from Iran - otherwise they wouldn't be Persian. And if you are going to boycott Iranian products, you should boycott Iranian oil too - anything else is just pure hypocrisy.
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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:54 pm

Reason Magazine has an interesting cover titled "Four Boneheaded Voter Ideas*, And We Are All Dumb Voters", and one of the four points they make is just that, "Buy [insert nationality]".

Check it out at Barnes&Nobles or Borders next time.

I admit, I do it if I have a choice. . but only if the product has comparable quality.

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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Sat Oct 06, 2007 5:07 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 26):
Persian carpets ONLY come from Iran - otherwise they wouldn't be Persian.

Same with these:

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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Sat Oct 06, 2007 5:28 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 28):
Same with these:

Yes, but they don't have quite the same decorative effect rolled out flat on your living room floor. Although maybe, if you used enough...
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:33 pm

I try to buy my food from producers that are Belgian, or one of it's neighbouring countries. This is not because out of a patriottical reflex, but because somehow I don't think it makes sense that my grapes come imported from New Zealand or somewhere the other side of the world, while they can also be grown in France (Just have to snatch them before those Frenchies try to make wine out of them  Wink )

Apart from that, as other posters noted, I would rather avoid some countries because of their questionable politics, though there's no escaping "made in china".
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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:37 pm

Never. I buy what I want based on the product itself, not where it's from.
 
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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:02 pm

Def choose the best product irrespective of Country that manufacturers them.
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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:06 pm

I do consider where the product is made and whom owns the company when buying.
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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:14 pm

I consider ethics, environmental issues, quality and price but not patriotism.

My bike, my watch and some clothes are from here, other than that not that much actually.
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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:06 pm

Quoting Mbj-11 (Thread starter):
Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

No.

And neither do the American companies when they fail to build the best products (i.e. GM, Ford and Chrysler), nor when they outsource jobs to other countries to avoid paying Americans currently accepted wages.
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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:18 pm

I don't usually consider where a product is made, but sometimes I do. I won't go so far as a friend who refuses to buy a Mercedes or a BMW because of Germany's war atrocities, but will drop 50K on a Lexus (when Japan had quite a few war atrocities of their own).

If you want to buy American, it's harder and harder these days, but there are actually websites dedicated to it! One of them is:

http://www.usstuff.com/prodlist.htm

This is also an interesting read:

http://www.americaneconomicalert.org/
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Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:05 am

I guess I am somewhat patriotic.. The only thing I buy at Wal-Mart is range ammo. I am pretty sure Winchester makes their ammo in the US.
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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:15 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 29):
Yes, but they don't have quite the same decorative effect rolled out flat on your living room floor. Although maybe, if you used enough...

They do though make the perfect lapcessory for the budding megalomaniac aiming to take over the world... well, until Mr Bond intervenes that is Big grin


First and foremost I like to buy locally for my food. I really hate the large supermarkets, although I would be lying if I said their ultra low prices do not tempt me through their doors, especially at university. Save that, the fruit and veg either comes from my families gardens or one of the local farms, the meat comes from local butchers who are more than happy to show you a picture of the animal it came from and, just occasionally someone will have shot a deer, so we get a few nice hunks of very fresh venison. Likewise, wild game tastes so much better then farm reared stock - it might not be as big all of the time, but the meat has so much more taste than the watery stuff you get from supermarkets.

Aside of that I don't really mind, I still prefer to support local businesses, but if they are very much more expensive then I will chose a larger chain store because I can't afford to subsidise them that much. I've given up checking where things are made, you just know it's going to be in the Far East somewhere, so really you don't have a choice any more. I am aware that many of the cloths I wear are probably made in sweat shops, which I feel a little guilty about, but I am in two minds - at least the person actually has a job and, however little they are paid, it is probably more than they would get working the land... quality of life though is I know another thing. I did have a go at making my own, but that failed drastically  Embarrassment


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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:09 am

Quoting ZOTAN (Reply 11):
Good luck with that. The majority of the parts on your "American vehicle" are produced over seas.

Many parts in my Wrangler are made in Mexico and Austria (!) even though the vehicle is assembled in the US.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 37):
The only thing I buy at Wal-Mart is range ammo. I am pretty sure Winchester makes their ammo in the US.

They also have a manufacturing plant in Oz.

I don't really care about where anything is made...nowadays every damn thing is made in China anyway. The "made in..." label only matters when I'm buying something big....like a car. I'll never buy any vehicle made in Korea, or France for example. I don't care if they're cheap and reliable....I will never buy one.
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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:26 am

Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

No.

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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:50 am

Patriotism does not, in any way, sway my decision for purchasing. Just because it is "Made in the USA" does not make it the best made product.

I research, compare and ultimately buy the best possible _____ (fill in the blank).
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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:25 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 3):
To hell with those Toyotas that are built in Kentucky and Indiana. They're still Japanese vehicles.

Yeah! Instead, let's buy the American cars that are made in Mexico!
 
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RE: Do You Consider Patriotism When Purchasing?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:32 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 36):
Germany's war atrocities

pfff. Just how that is written is a slap in the face. Just as JGPH1A said: That was a long time ago and the people building the cars and controlling the company today haven't even lived in that time.

Can't believe how someone can be that stupid. Maybe we should stop to buy American products because of your horniness to start wars....
Wait... No then we would be just as dumb as your friend.

For the record: I'll buy whatever I like as long as it is a quality product I don't care where it was made.


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