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Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:13 pm

Rest in Peace those killed in this incident.

"At least five people are said to have died after a gunman opened fire at a house in the Midwestern US state of Wisconsin early on Sunday.
Reports suggest the suspect is a law enforcement officer, and the victims were teenagers or young adults."



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7032971.stm


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RE: Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:25 pm

Looks like it might be domestic violence related. Someone went off the deep end here. Should be interesting to find out more about his duties with the Sheriff's department, if he was a patrolman, jailer, etc. Rest in peace for the victims.
 
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RE: Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:22 am

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/07/wisconsin.shooting/index.html

To the media, anyone who works for a law enforcement agency is assumed to be a sworn officer. For all we know, he could have been a file clerk without any sworn duties.

We'll have to wait a bit longer to find out.
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RE: Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:00 am

Hi:

I have (unconfirmed) news from my family in Oconto County, Wisconsin (the county south of Forest County, where this all happened) that after committing the crime, the Forest County Sheriffs Deputy fled south, where he was taken down by Oconto County.

Again, this is 100% unconfirmed, so don't flame me (too) bad.  Smile

Sounds to me like matters of jealousy...a 20 year old Deputy dating a 17/18 year old high school student...recipe for disaster.

[Edited 2007-10-07 18:04:17]
 
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RE: Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:15 am

Quoting SW733 (Reply 3):
20 year old Deputy

How can a Wisconsin deputy be 20 years old? They require at least two years of university-level education plus the ten week Wisconsin academy-level program plus their department's own training program.
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RE: Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:42 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 4):
How can a Wisconsin deputy be 20 years old?

I'm just going off what the article said, that he's "around 20"...but if he graduated at HS, did 2 years of college, and did training, he could still be (barely) 20, technically.
 
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RE: Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:57 am

So how long until someone blames the gun?
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RE: Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:00 am

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 6):
So how long until someone blames the gun?

It's Northeastern Wisconsin...nobody dare blame the gun. The gun is sacred.
 
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RE: Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:06 am

I wonder how long before someone wonders how long it takes someone to blame the gun ...

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 6):
So how long until someone blames the gun?

The usual A-net crowd, nothing if not predictable. No doubt someone will soon lament it was a shame all his victims weren't packing too. Obviously the answer is guns for EVERYONE !
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RE: Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:09 am

Quoting Pacificjourney (Reply 8):
The usual A-net crowd, nothing if not predictable. No doubt someone will soon lament it was a shame all his victims weren't packing too.

If they had been we might only be talking about 1 dead bad guy.
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RE: Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:29 am

Well here is a good article of the story from AOL http://news.aol.com/story/ar/_a/sher...ix-in-rampage/20071007163409990001

Six are dead one in critical condition. Just 7 kids over at a friends house watching TV and this guy comes in a shoots them all. Shooter was a County Deputy and part time Police Officer according to the article. He was also a jealous boyfriend. This happened in a town that everyone knows everybody. This is a huge tragedy horrible story.

Quoting Pacificjourney (Reply 8):
The usual A-net crowd, nothing if not predictable. No doubt someone will soon lament it was a shame all his victims weren't packing too. Obviously the answer is guns for EVERYONE !



Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 9):
If they had been we might only be talking about 1 dead bad guy.

This is true. Sure it would be crazy to think that everyone should carry a gun and I am pretty sure the State of Wisconsin does not allow Concealed Weapon permits. But even if someone did have a weapon do you think they would have enough time to pull it out of their drawer/cabinet etc.. These people were sitting around and watching TV I dont know many people who carry their guns on them while doing that.
But stories like this one is the reason why when I turn 21 I plan on getting a CWP and is why right now when I am home in FL I carry a loaded handgun in the car.
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RE: Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:33 am

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 10):
These people were sitting around and watching TV I dont know many people who carry their guns on them while doing that.

Errmm.. Uhhhh.. I have done that once or twice.
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RE: Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:50 am

I wonder why the county and village hired someone with problems. Those types of issues show up on pre-employment psych evaluations.

Now, if the county and/or village failed to administer psych tests, then they better be prepared to fork out several million dollars in wrongful death settlements. I actually wouldn't be surprised that a boondocks county like Forest County and little hick town like Crandon didn't want to invest in the exams. They gambled and lost.

And why the hell would they hire a local boy as a police officer? They were just ask for trouble ... I know a lot of departments that avoid hiring the locals.
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RE: Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:56 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 12):
Those types of issues show up on pre-employment psych evaluations.

Not if the guy got mentally screwed up after he got hired. There are more than a few cops in the world who have employment-induced PTSD. Few small departments are equipped to determine who has lost their marbles and who hasn't. I know where I work the post-incident psych eval consists of "are you ok?" "Yeah, I'm ok."
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RE: Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:57 am

Such a tragedy. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families.  pray 
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RE: Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:04 am

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 13):
I know where I work the post-incident psych eval consists of "are you ok?" "Yeah, I'm ok."

No shit?

We call in a critical incident stress debriefing team after every actual or perceived emotionally-stressful call. It doesn't cost a penny. Why not take advantage of a freebie good thing? If nothing else, it makes the department's risk management staff happy.
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RE: Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:19 pm

The little fucker was on the county's SWAT team! And he used his department-issued AR15 to kill all those people. In fact, he emptied the clip.

Who the hell lets a kid on a SWAT team in the first place? What was the sheriff thinking? To qualify for our county's SWAT team, you have to have five years of patrol experience on the department and pass all the special courses. Even then, only half of the applicants are accepted. There's no way a 20 year old could have met those qualifications.

I received an email from an area TV reporter who's worked with me on EMS stories in the past. He said they're going to pursue the age issue and whether or not pre-employment psych tests were done and what their results were. It's a pretty big deal here.

Oh, is Forest County is going to lose their ass in the lawsuits!

[Edited 2007-10-08 13:21:24]
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RE: Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:11 pm

You're pretty quick to jump their shit, Mark.

First of all, most anyone can pass a psych eval. It's not difficult to tell them what they want to hear. I know they're now reporting that he never had one; I don't see what difference it would have made if he did.

Secondly, Forest Co. is naturally going to have lower standards for LEO's. There's not nearly as large of an applicant pool, it's hard to bring in outsiders to live in such a remote area, damn near everyone in northern WI has a rap sheet, and the cops up there really only have a handfull of things to do:

1. Bust underage parties
2. Deal with car-deer collisions
3. Break up drunken domestic violence
4. Hand out speeding tickets to tourists on holiday weekends

It's easy to throw stones but you have to remember that a community that size simply doesn't have the funds to assemble a SWAT team like that of a bigger city. It's remote; the land is worth squat so there's little tax revenue, there are no good jobs to speak of up there and a population of 10,000 doesn't exactly equate to a huge workforce. There's two Indian reservations; no tax money coming from them. It's all they can do to keep their schools open in that neck of the woods.

Will the county be on the hook for this? I don't know. If they are it's too bad because it's money they don't have. I wouldn't be surprised if in the next year or two Madison steps up to the plate and starts pumping more money up there to subsidize their governments, at our expense.
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RE: Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:25 pm

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 17):
damn near everyone in northern WI has a rap sheet

Wow...where's your fact to that? As someone who has most of his family from and/or living in the county just south of Forest, I take offense to that...it couldn't be further from the truth.

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 17):
It's easy to throw stones but you have to remember that a community that size simply doesn't have the funds to assemble a SWAT team like that of a bigger city

Agreed


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RE: Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:33 pm

Quoting SW733 (Reply 18):
Wow...where's your fact to that? As someone who has most of his family from and/or living in the county just south of Forest, I take offense to that...it couldn't be further from the truth.

Don't take it so literally. And yes, plenty do. Not things like robbery or rape, more along the lines of OWI, DC, battery, etc...
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RE: Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:40 pm

I went to the Forest County website, then to the Sheriff department link and it has a roster of all the employees, and this guy name is not on it. I suppose the listing might be out of date.

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 17):
Secondly, Forest Co. is naturally going to have lower standards for LEO's

This no excuse to hire someone under 21 as which is the requirement in most states. I would say the majority of 18-20 years olds are not mature enough to handle a weapon and deal with the crap that a law enforcement officer has to.
 
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RE: Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:57 pm

Quoting AirCop (Reply 20):
I would say the majority of 18-20 years olds are not mature enough to handle a weapon and deal with the crap that a law enforcement officer has to.

Apparently the air in Iraq contains maturity.  Wink

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RE: Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:48 am

Quoting Pacificjourney (Reply 8):
Obviously the answer is guns for EVERYONE !

Note quite but the opportunity should be there.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 16):
And he used his department-issued AR15 to kill all those people

Which means that there is a good chance that it was a Class III weapon. I think there has only been one other murder involving a class III weapon since the rules came around, and oddly enough I remember that also being commited by a LEO.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 16):
To qualify for our county's SWAT team, you have to have five years of patrol experience on the department and pass all the special courses.

I wonder if he was related to somebody, because that does seem awfully young.

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 17):
It's easy to throw stones but you have to remember that a community that size simply doesn't have the funds to assemble a SWAT team like that of a bigger city

Which then brings the question that every taxpayer in that town needs to ask, "Why the hell are we paying for SWAT team?"

Quoting AirCop (Reply 20):
This no excuse to hire someone under 21 as which is the requirement in most states

I wonder about that to.
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RE: Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:18 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 22):
Which then brings the question that every taxpayer in that town needs to ask, "Why the hell are we paying for SWAT team?"

Just because they're small doesn't mean they don't deserve a SWAT team. If something happens in Forest County that needs SWAT, they're all of a sudden going to be glad they don't have to rely on the slower response of a Green Bay SWAT team.

Sounds like another bad TV show...Forest County SWAT  duck 

But yeah, I do wonder if he knew someone...then again, everyone knows everyone up there I swear, based on all my travels!
 
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RE: Law Enforcement Officer Kills 5 In US Midwest?

Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:25 am

Quoting SW733 (Reply 23):
Sounds like another bad TV show...Forest County SWAT

I can see it now...."You in the deer stand.....let the squirrel go!"

Quoting SW733 (Reply 23):
Just because they're small doesn't mean they don't deserve a SWAT team

Deserve and afford are two entirely different things.

For what they are spending on the swat squad, one wonders if they couldn't buy something more effective for law enforcement, more dare classes maybe, another officer, more staff help, better comm....ect ect ect.
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