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Why Global Warming Doesn't Matter

Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:25 pm

I feel inclined to state something which I have always felt to be a major contributing factor to global warming being dismissed as less of an issue than terrorism, trade issues etc.
I am from an island which currently is in the throes of three weeks of non stop (yes non stop) rain. There is much damage etc to farm lands , home ,roads etc, while some parts of the US are dry and wish for rain. I can recall even the hell that occurred in parts of Greece and Italy this season. But this only seems to make news for the sensationalism and then dies down.
But to get to the core of it, I feel that if the weather were to be as dreadful frequently in major cities such as New York, London, Washington, Beijing etc to name a few, the issue would be on the front burner of every govt. Because it doesn't happen frequently in those cities its not taken as seriously. I could be wrong, but as I said.........that's just my feeling.
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RE: Why Global Warming Doesn't Matter

Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:37 pm

Thank you for "disappointing" me, I was expecting yet another energy lobby-shoelicking thread opener and got thought.

I think you are very much correct. Desertification happens in Africa, which we only seem to care about when the steady flow of raw materials from the continent threatens to trickle, island nations have begun to vanish in the middle of the Pacific Ocean which, to many people, is no more than Hawaii and possibly the Easter Islands. Sad but true - the story doesn't "bleed" enough, as in "if it bleeds, it leads", so lots of people are completely oblivious to it.
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RE: Why Global Warming Doesn't Matter

Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:12 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 1):
Desertification happens in Africa

I think you have a too simplicistic view in this matter. There are lots of other factors, like overgrazing, obsolete, waterwasting methods of cultivation, chopping down forests for firewood, which contribute as major factors to desertification.

Concering our enviroment, sometimes I wonder if people don't realise that earth is not static. Living conditions have changed dramatically several times (with and without human interference) over earth's history. Species have developed and disappeared.
Concerning the pacific atolls, I'm quite shure that, with the water rising, corals will continue to grow upwards, improving on the coral reefs the atolls are made of, as they have during the changes in sea level during the last many million years.
Obviously humans are now, due to our huge number, an evolutionary factor.

I don't agree with deliberately wasting resources or polluting the enviroment unnecessarily, but I also refuse to be led into actionism caused by panic and politicking.

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RE: Why Global Warming Doesn't Matter

Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:42 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 2):
Concerning the pacific atolls, I'm quite shure that, with the water rising, corals will continue to grow upwards, improving on the coral reefs the atolls are made of, as they have during the changes in sea level during the last many million years.

Sure they do - as long as the change is gradual enough. But we humans can't colonize such reefs and atolls unless the water level has receded again. Which it may not do during a prolonged period of continuous increase.

One of the scarcest resources on shallow islands in general is salt-free water, and right now many of those experience increasing sea water contamination in the ground even with the still relatively slow increase of the sea level. If that trend continues, an increasing number of smaller islands will have to be deserted for this reason already, even if they are nominally still above water.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 2):
I don't agree with deliberately wasting resources or polluting the enviroment unnecessarily, but I also refuse to be led into actionism caused by panic and politicking.

Sure. But the difference between actionism and complacency is often just the one between anticipation and hindsight...
 
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RE: Why Global Warming Doesn't Matter

Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:17 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 2):
I think you have a too simplicistic view in this matter.

The post was simplistic, so as to keep it short.  Wink

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 2):
There are lots of other factors, like overgrazing, obsolete, waterwasting methods of cultivation, chopping down forests for firewood, which contribute as major factors to desertification.

Surely those factors are at the very least just as conducive to desertification as global warming. But regardless of (what anyone believes to be) its cause, it exacerbates the problem.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 2):
Concering our enviroment, sometimes I wonder if people don't realise that earth is not static.

 checkmark  Neither the planet nor the use humankind makes of its resources are static, the latter due to development of our own abilities and constant adaptation.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 2):
Living conditions have changed dramatically several times (with and without human interference) over earth's history.

Surely they have, but they've always cost us dearly in one way or another. I for one think we have a big enough burden adapting to the changes that are already happening, so we should try to add as little as possible to their paces.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 2):
Concerning the pacific atolls, I'm quite shure that, with the water rising, corals will continue to grow upwards, improving on the coral reefs the atolls are made of, as they have during the changes in sea level during the last many million years.

First of all, coral reefs need very long times to grow - the sea level is rising faster. That means areas now (still) protected by reefs will lose some, if not most or even all, of that protection rendering them uninhabitable. That will in turn make their inhabitants seek refuge elsewhere, with all the consequences.

Second, coral bleaching is destroying reefs all over the world, which are fragile ecosystems. It is widely believed to be happening in no small part due to human impact, which brings me back to my earlier statement that humankind should try to minimise its negative input.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 2):
Obviously humans are now, due to our huge number, an evolutionary factor.

I see us as part of nature, of course a rather special and unique one. No species comes anywhere close to human ability to influence the world it lives in, but the huge human impact on nature is neither only negative nor a one-way street. Nature will undoubtedly survive just about anything we can come up with, short of blowing our planet to small unrecognisable bits and chunks, but the tricky bit is that we will end up not being part of it anymore.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 2):
I don't agree with deliberately wasting resources or polluting the enviroment unnecessarily, but I also refuse to be led into actionism caused by panic and politicking.

 checkmark  I think oil is much too precious to be burnt as mindlessly as we do, but that is a different issue.
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