seb146
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End-run Around Freeway Panhandlers!

Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:03 pm

The state of Oregon has declared pan handling protected speech under the Oregon Constitution. That's all well and good, but it causes backups on the freeway off-ramps when some person gives money to the person holding the sign at the end of the off ramp. Well, reading the Sunday Oregonian, the city of Roseburg, south of Eugene, has decided to ticket drivers $75 for impeding the flow of traffic if they decide to give the pan handlers money. The city of Roseburg hopes it will improve traffic flow. All I have to say is: It's about time! I hope this catches on all over the country!
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RE: End-run Around Freeway Panhandlers!

Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:20 pm

Quoting Seb146 (Thread starter):
it causes backups on the freeway off-ramps when some person gives money to the person holding the sign at the end of the off ramp

Have you ever seen the guy on the Portland end of the Hawthorne Bridge in the evenings? He's hilarious! One of these days I'm going to take some pictures.
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RE: End-run Around Freeway Panhandlers!

Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:59 pm

we have an agressive panhandler law here..110.00 fine....kind of useless...I mean if they have no money they are not going to pay the fine....and I am not going to arrest someone for an outstanding panhandling fine....Not worth my time or paperwork so it just gets tacked onto a guys driver's licence and since they do not have a drivers licence it never gets paid....

.I have never charged and probably would not unless i wanted to Breech a guys conditions. That being said mostly they walk baside traffic on the off ramps with a sign.....as the light changes they ususally walk back to the side....

Best part is when a guy has about 3 or 4 cars in a row who give and they think that this is enough to guilt the rest of us since we watched everyone else give....they come up to my car and I reach into my bag open my wallet and slam the badge on the window.......they almost fall over running away.....

If i want to give, and i do to panhandlers sometimes it will be on my terms and not through their guilt...

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seb146
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RE: End-run Around Freeway Panhandlers!

Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:59 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Have you ever seen the guy on the Portland end of the Hawthorne Bridge in the evenings? He's hilarious! One of these days I'm going to take some pictures.

No, I have not seen him. I only ever go across Marquam and Morrison bridges. As if traffic weren't bad enough on that part of the Hawthorne!

Some lady wrote in to the newspaper to voice her disgust with the Roseburg law on pan handling at intersections saying they have a right to free speech and all that. Yes, everyone has a right to free speech, but there are also clear laws about impeding the flow of traffic, as well. When someone stops to give the "homeless Veterans" coin, that impedes the flow of traffic and someone should be fined!

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 2):
Best part is when a guy has about 3 or 4 cars in a row who give and they think that this is enough to guilt the rest of us since we watched everyone else give

I hate that! Why do they think I will give to them when I could just as easily give to a local charity that would spend it on food and shelter? When someone gives directly to a pan handler, how do they know the money is truly going to food and shelter?

Besides, why don't the "homeless Veterans" go through the government for support? I know conditions at the VA hospitls are not good, but it is better than standing on the corner for hours on end!
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RE: End-run Around Freeway Panhandlers!

Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:11 pm

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 2):
we have an agressive panhandler law here..110.00 fine....kind of useless...I mean if they have no money they are not going to pay the fine....and I am not going to arrest someone for an outstanding panhandling fine....Not worth my time or paperwork so it just gets tacked onto a guys driver's licence and since they do not have a drivers licence it never gets paid

It's one more thing to arrest someone for when they go off their meds and start being a weenie somewhere. They are being a pain in the butt and someone wants to get rid of them, but they aren't a threat to themselves or others so you can't do an emergency commitment. That is when all those outstanding warrants comes in, it can be assured they will not be back that night. We have to get creative at my department, the county won't take public intox from anyone but SAPD or BCSO.

Here in San Antonio when the annual pre-fiesta flushing of the homeless takes place most of them are booked on all those warrants and get to sit out the peak of tourist season in jail. In a perfect world we get some rain Thursday or Friday before fiesta to wash away the urine smell and really get the place smelling and looking decent before the party starts.

Considering the way we always hear the county whine about lack of jail space and all the arrests that take place during fiesta I have to wonder if the jail doesn't just bus them to another city about a weeks walk away and release them.
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RE: End-run Around Freeway Panhandlers!

Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:24 pm

Has anyone run into actual panhandling on the interstate itself? I came across one guy doing it and it caused one hell of a backup. It happened on 90/94 just south of downtown Chicago near Comisky Park.
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RE: End-run Around Freeway Panhandlers!

Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:09 am

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 5):
Has anyone run into actual panhandling on the interstate itself?

Yep, it happens here in Arizona alot, expecially on I-10 right when you enter PHX coming from TUS, on the Ray Rd, Warner Rd, Elliot Rd and Baseline Road exits. Its a eyesore sight, but nothing gets done about it.

There are even people who fake being homeless, too. You can spot it real easy with their attitudes and how they dress.
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RE: End-run Around Freeway Panhandlers!

Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:19 am

Anyone familiar with downtown Toronto should be aware of the panhandlers who like to hang out under the Gardner Expressway just to the East of the Air Canada Center. I was driving down there stopped at a light two years ago in July and when one walked past my car wanting money I ignored him. Next thing you know he's jumped into my back seat, which was carrying my young cousin at the time. Luckily a passerby helped me rip him out of the car, I can not stand those people, I would never give any single one of them a dime.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 6):
There are even people who fake being homeless, too

There's a lady in Toronto who's known as the Shaky Lady. Some investigative reporter found out that it was all an act and that she actually lived about an hour West of the city and drove a nice Lexus.
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RE: End-run Around Freeway Panhandlers!

Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:29 am

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 2):
we have an agressive panhandler law here..

We dont have panhandlers here
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RE: End-run Around Freeway Panhandlers!

Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:06 am

Quoting CupraIbiza (Reply 8):
We dont have panhandlers here

Lucky you!
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RE: End-run Around Freeway Panhandlers!

Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:59 pm

No one should be on any road, especially any limited access road, or access roads or ramps to/from such roads or within 100 feet of ramp entrances panhandling, offering to wash car windows or selling goods. It isn't a matter of free speech, but to protect these unfortunates from being hit and hurt or killed and the drivers not end up being in accidents. Many of these people include those with drug and alcohol addictions and mental illness and some (as vendors of flowers for example) who are in the USA illegally. Those with mental illness and addiction problems need to be in facilities to get them help, not out in the streets at risk to themselves and others. Sometimes the courts must realize that over so called 1st Amendment rights. I never give money or buy anything from such street beggars or vendors, as I don't want to support their behavior. I believe that here in New Jersey, we have strict laws about people soliciting in the streets or trying to vend items at stop lights and they have largely disappeared due to stronger enforcement. When Giuliani was mayor of NY City, he went after these street beggers, window washers and vendors as part of his anti-crime policies as it encouraged an undesirable quality of life in the streets of the city and encouraged disrespect for the law.

[Edited 2007-10-26 06:03:53]
 
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RE: End-run Around Freeway Panhandlers!

Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:58 pm

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 3):
Besides, why don't the "homeless Veterans" go through the government for support? I know conditions at the VA hospitls are not good, but it is better than standing on the corner for hours on end!

I'm not a veteran but I do not think that the VA hospitals are in the business of providing housing to people who do not have it.

No doubt it would be a complete balls up if they attempted it. They've got a track record of fucking up everything else they touch.

You should try and reserve a little empathy for those who put themselves in harm's way for the rest of us, no matter what their reasons were. Many of the vets of my era (Korea and Vietnam) came back when PTSD was not well understood, and they've never adjusted and reconciled what they saw and did. In addition, some like my wife's boss David were poisoned by agent orange and Gawd knows what else. Those of us who have not served really don't know anything about it.
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RE: End-run Around Freeway Panhandlers!

Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:20 pm

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 11):
I'm not a veteran but I do not think that the VA hospitals are in the business of providing housing to people who do not have it.

No, you are right. The VA does not provde housing. However, there are government programs for those who need assistance. Those with PTSD can also get assistance with counceling and resources to housing, food, and medial care. That is but one reson I don't give to these people. Another good reason is: if they can stand for 10+ hours in all weather at freeway off-ramps claiming to be disabled, they can stand at a cash register for 8 hours.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 11):
You should try and reserve a little empathy for those who put themselves in harm's way for the rest of us, no matter what their reasons were.

I am friends with people that served in Korea, Vietnam, and Gulf War One. Not all of them are in the best mental shape, but they have it together enough to know they can get help. The ones I don't have much sympathy for are the ones that stand around reeking of booze and holding signs saying things like "Will work for food" then get mad when someone tries to get them to work. Or the "under 30s" that hold the "Homeless Vietnam Veteran" signs. Those are the ones that I have a problem with.
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RE: End-run Around Freeway Panhandlers!

Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:59 pm

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 11):
You should try and reserve a little empathy for those who put themselves in harm's way for the rest of us, no matter what their reasons were.

I have plenty of empathy for veterans. You will find that more than a few of the bums begging money are not actually veterans, they are just playing the veteran card for sympathy.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 12):
if they can stand for 10+ hours in all weather at freeway off-ramps claiming to be disabled, they can stand at a cash register for 8 hours.

The difference is you have to be more or less sober to go to a regular job.
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RE: End-run Around Freeway Panhandlers!

Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:24 pm

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 11):
You should try and reserve a little empathy for those who put themselves in harm's way for the rest of us, no matter what their reasons were.

Agreed BUT....some of those freeway panhandlers may have a sign saying Vietnam Veteran at the same time they never served in Vietnam or in any military. Like I said in an earlier post....anyone can fake anything these days. I, for one, am not falling for that kind of crap.
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RE: End-run Around Freeway Panhandlers!

Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:32 pm

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 13):
I have plenty of empathy for veterans. You will find that more than a few of the bums begging money are not actually veterans, they are just playing the veteran card for sympathy.

I mean, yes, that's true, but how do you....well....know... when you see a person on the street whether they're a veteran or not?
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