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Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:04 pm

I hope the Mods don't mind, since we're up to 250 posts on the LCS thread that we put this last one out, just to stop replying to that one. Maybe they could lock that one up, thank you.

Game 7: Cleveland Indians v. Boston Red Sox

Dice K v. Jake Westbrook.

The experienced Sox v. the young, unproven Indians.

And the Rockies await the winner.

How do you think the game will go? Who is the key tonight? What's your prediciton?

I think Dice K struggles again, never having been in this big of a game. The key is for the Indians to strike early against Dice K, and put him on his heels. Conversely, Westbrook needs to limit the Red Sox to very few runs through the first 4 or 5 innings. If the Indians can grab the lead early, and can get, in good order, to Jensen Lewis, Rafael Bentencourt and Joe Borowoski, they'll pull it out. If Boston gets an early lead, it could be all but over. That way Beckett could come in for an inning or two, and keep the Tribe bats silent until they can get deep in the Boston pen.

I think the Indians will bounce back tonight, and it will be a thrilling game.

Indians 5, Red Sox 3.

And may none of us have a stroke tonight.  Big grin
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:19 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
And may none of us have a stroke tonight

Oh there's an impending stroke. The ALCS final and my Steelers playing Sunday night in Denver, I've got two televisions set up side by side for the occasion.

As for the game. Cleveland wins it. Score is Cleveland 6 Boston 5. You heard it here first.  Wink
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:33 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
I think Dice K struggles again, never having been in this big of a game. The key is for the Indians to strike early against Dice K, and put him on his heels.

Well, he got through the first inning alright.
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:35 am

The lead off hitter for BOS just hit a single!

GO BOSTON!!!!!
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:50 am

Another rotten break for the Indians there in the first. Tailor-made double play ball hit to Peralta-and it hit's the cut of the grass and shoots way over his head.

One of the incredible things about baseball, is little things-like last night, two dribblers hit in the right place, and tonight, a double-play ball that hit's the grass-can change the course of games.

Only 1-0. C'mon Tribe!
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:02 am

Variteck comes home! 2-0 Red Sox!

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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:03 am

Another one!

Another little dribbler of a base hit by Ellsbury, that somehow finds a hole, and leads to a run.

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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:08 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):

We will have none of that. It's the top of 3 and we are down 2 runs. Think positive
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:20 am

Quoting FLYB6JETS (Reply 7):
We will have none of that. It's the top of 3 and we are down 2 runs. Think positive

Oh, I'm far from surrendering this one. But the Red Sox, again tonight, hit two dribblers that find holes; Martinez hits a sh ot, right to Lowell; a double play ball takes a horrid hop. It's not over, but Jake can't let the Indians fall behind any further.

The worry for the Indians now, with the offense virtually in a fog, is that in an inning or two, Beckett comes in, and if he's on, he gets them to the 6th or 7th inning, and then you're in a deep hole.
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:28 am

Youkilis comes home, makes it 3-0 Boston! YAY!!!!!!
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:32 am

The Tribe needs a Heimlich in a hurry.

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Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:34 am

Unless you've been a Red Sox fan as long as I have.....1975, 1978, 1986, 2003..........
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:39 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
The worry for the Indians now, with the offense virtually in a fog, is that in an inning or two, Beckett comes in, and if he's on, he gets them to the 6th or 7th inning, and then you're in a deep hole.

The big problem with the Indians is their inexperience. You only have 2 veteran players on the team with postseason experience. So they are in essence in uncharted waters at this point and I think it has reared its ugly head in the last 3 games. We will see how this one ends up, but if they don't make it, you still have to give them credit for making it this far.
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:47 am

Ok, the Indians get one back. Don't need them all at once-although it'd be nice.

Dice K's pitches weren't as tight in the 4th as they've been in the first 3. He could only go 4, or maybe one more inning, and then give way to Beckett.
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:58 am

I'll be damned! They get another seeing eye hit. They're just getting all the breaks right now. It's just frustrating. If Ellsbury doesn't go, that's a tailor-made DP, and the inning is over. Damned frustrationg.
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:19 am

Folks, remember the umps blown call in calling Lofton out at 2nd. He was safe. He was called out. The Indians got closer, but very easily could have pulled even or ahead that inning.

Just remember that play, if this score would hold up.
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:35 am

Quoting FLYB6JETS (Reply 12):
The big problem with the Indians is their inexperience.

A great example here:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...2010.ap.bbo.playoff.notebook.1272/

You can't give away motivation to another team like that. Garko should have kept his mouth shut.

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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:39 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 16):
You can't give away motivation to another team like that. Garko should have kept his mouth shut.

Puhleez! If these guys need motivation at this level, then there's something wrong. Isn't going to the WS motivation enough? Gimme a break, dude.
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:55 am

No excuse for Lofton not being able to come around and score on the hit. That came back to bite, hard.
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:55 am

That was quite possibly the dumbest fucking move I have ever seen on a baseball field. Joel Skinner should be fired on the spot.
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:57 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 15):
Folks, remember the umps blown call in calling Lofton out at 2nd. He was safe. He was called out. The Indians got closer, but very easily could have pulled even or ahead that inning.

He was indeed safe, but Cleveland has no kick coming. They got a gift double due to Lugo's dropping the ball, and for some reason held Lofton at third on Blake's hit. And you just knew the double play was coming after that.

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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:59 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 20):
He was indeed safe, but Cleveland has no kick coming. They got a gift double due to Lugo's dropping the ball, and for some reason held Lofton at third on Blake's hit. And you just knew the double play was coming after that.

Talk about arrogant, Mir! The Indians, since the 3rd, have badly outplayed the Sox. The only reason the Indians aren't tied or ahead was that bad call at second, and that single by Guttierez not going down the line and scoring Lofton.

And, right, sure you knew there'd be a double play. Right.

Grow up man.
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:02 am

PEDROIA HOMERUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its now 5-2!!!!!

GO SOX!!!

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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:03 am

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 18):
No excuse for Lofton not being able to come around and score on the hit. That came back to bite, hard.

Even more so with that jack over the Monster.

Cleveland's 3B coach is already thinking of his next gig.
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:06 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
And, right, sure you knew there'd be a double play. Right.

Grow up man.

What the hell falcon? You get completley delusional talking about your home sports teams. Pretty much everyone saw that coming, when you tempt the fates like that and leave the tying run squandered. The first thing you think in that situation, with a man at first is: 'oh shit, now a double plays coming'.

I'm even rooting for Cleveland, but at least now you cant say the Pedroia homer was cheap.
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:06 am

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 23):
Cleveland's 3B coach is already thinking of his next gig.

Another stupid sports fan who knows it all. Riiight.

If that ball goes down the line, you send him. If it doesn't, and it kicks back to Manny, with his arm, you don't chance it. That's baseball 101. Anyone with any knowledge of baseball knows that, except for potato-couch coaches.

Give Pedroia credit. Benetencourt has been untouchable the whole post season, and he hit a big mistake.

I am really pissed at Casey Blake though. In my mind, a hitter should always take the first pitch of a pitcher who he hasn't seen yet. But Blake swings at the first pitch. Then he makes a grade-school error, which leads to 2 runs.

Westbrook did his job. He kept the Indians right there. But once again, the bullpen comes up wanting when needed the most.
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:08 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 25):
Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 23):
Cleveland's 3B coach is already thinking of his next gig.

Another stupid sports fan who knows it all.

Calm yourself, Falcon. Care for any of us to put out some of your brilliant prognostications? You're inviting a storm in your face on this board.

Go outside and breathe. Then breathe some more.
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:08 am

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 24):
What the hell falcon? You get completley delusional talking about your home sports teams.

How's that? He KNEW there'd be a double play. Red Sox fan was shaking in their boots right about then. I believe that more than I believe he knew there'd be a DP. The last thing I thought would happen there was a DP.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 24):
The first thing you think in that situation, with a man at first is: 'oh shit, now a double plays coming'.

No you don't, unless you're certian you'll lose. What I'm thinking is "2 hits in a row, hit a fly ball, and the game is tied". That's what most people are thinking, when a pitcher is on the ropes.
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:10 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
And, right, sure you knew there'd be a double play. Right.

You've already chronicled how Boston is getting all the breaks tonight. Well Cleveland got one, and they refused to take advantage of it. I've seen enough baseball to know that when you don't take the first chance to capitalize on a gift in a big spot, you almost never get a second one.

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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:13 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 27):
That's what most people are thinking, when a pitcher is on the ropes.

On the ropes? He was the victim of a bad error. 2 hits in a row? Where were you? He was pitching the ball just fine.
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:13 am

Yo, Falcon, take a chill pill. Relax man. Trash talking is allowed.

So, the Red Sox is changing pitchers, seems like they will go to Papelbon.
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Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:16 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 25):
If that ball goes down the line, you send him. If it doesn't, and it kicks back to Manny, with his arm, you don't chance it. That's baseball 101. Anyone with any knowledge of baseball knows that, except for potato-couch coaches.

There wouldn't have even been a play. You've got speedy Lofton running on contact, and is past 3rd base before Manny even starts to approach the ball. That is poor coaching, plain and simple. One of your fastest players, running on contact from second on a ball down the line, doesn't score? What?
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Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:19 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 27):
How's that? He KNEW there'd be a double play.

It's a figure of speech. Christ, take a valium.
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:21 am

Arg.

And then Garko JUST MISSES a three-run bomb.

Virtually every key play has worked against the Indians tonight. Sigh. Damn frustrating.
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:22 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 30):
So, the Red Sox is changing pitchers, seems like they will go to Papelbon.

Wow. Quite a performance. That curve he threw had Garko completely fooled.
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Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:23 am

Let the guy blow steam. I hope I'm wrong about this, but I don't think that he likely will own up to his loss of control later, even though he's entitled to his own opinion.

He reminds me of me in that category. I need to watch myself in competition because I've blown up as bad and worse in the past, and w/little to no provocation.

Let's keep it on the game, though. The Indians, as of now, still have a competitive shot. They played great D last night when they were down - they keep that up and get a couple of guys making positive contact, and this game is brand new.
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:23 am

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 29):
On the ropes? He was the victim of a bad error. 2 hits in a row? Where were you? He was pitching the ball just fine.

Uh, first and third, one out, with a run one lead? You're on the ropes. Just like Westbrook was early on in the game. Okijima made a good pitch and got out of it. But the game was on the line there. He did his job.
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Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:26 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 33):
Damn frustrating.

I hope you have your heart medication in handy in case the Red Sox do win this game. Now THAT is trash talking  Silly

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 35):
...I don't think that he likely will own up to his loss of control later...

We'll see, we'll see.
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Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:30 am

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 35):
Let the guy blow steam. I hope I'm wrong about this, but I don't think that he likely will own up to his loss of control later

One thing I really can't stand is smug "I'm better than you" crap. I really do. I'll own up to this: I like to discuss this intelligently, not with "he'll lose his job over that play" stuff, which we all know won't happen, and is just ranting. Break down the game in an intelligent manner, that's great. Root for your team. Super. But make comments that make sense.
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Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:32 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 37):
Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 35):
...I don't think that he likely will own up to his loss of control later...

We'll see, we'll see.

Like said, I hope I'm wrong. I didn't need to be condescending in telling him to calm down and then point out his past predictions, so, I hope you'll forgive me that, Falcon.

Anyway, it's time for the Tribe to stop the bleeding. 1 run in, and keep it at that.
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Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:32 am

...and Bentencourt picked the absolute worst time to have his worst outing of the entire year. A gutty performance by Westbrook, wasted by Bentencourt. As well has he has played this year-maybe the best setup man this year in the bigs, that REALLY hurts.
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Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:36 am

That last play looked like "Major League" come to life...right team too  Wink
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Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:37 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 38):
One thing I really can't stand is smug "I'm better than you" crap.

Same here. But I don't see anyone demonstrating that on this thread, Falcon.

Boston 6; Cleveland 2. Cleveland just missed an easy catch, missed it and didnt communicate it prior to the try. Now, here comes Eric Wedge to the mound........
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Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:38 am

Intentional walk - DP anyone?  eyebrow 
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Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:43 am

I'd say stick a fork in it...cuz it's done...
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:43 am

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 39):
Like said, I hope I'm wrong

You weren't right to begin with, but enough of that.

Looks like the Red Sox will survive this one. Congrats to the Sox and their fans, as they earned this series win.

A few "almost post-series" observations.

Series MVP. Hands down, it's Beckett. He's just a beast in the post season.
Runner ups-Youklis and Pedroia, who really sparked their lineup the last 3 games.

Indians MVP. That's tough. Tie between Peralta and Westbrook. Peralta was the big offensive gun early in the series, and Westbrook, although he wasn't spectacular, pitched two tough, gutty games to keep the Indians close.

Goat of the series: You've got to put your money where your mouth in-if you have a 1-2 punch like C.C. Sabathia and Fausto Carmona, you shouldn't lose all 3 of those 4 games. You just can't. Fausto I can forgive a little. He's a kid, and he just was a little overwhelmed. But C.C. I can't be so charitable to, as he's a veteran now. Yeah, I know it's his first post-season since '01, but he's got to carry the load. Only thing that might save him is how well Beckett pitched in those two games. Hafner and Raffy Perez are right up there, as they both stunk. Hafner was just lost after game 2, and Perez, another kid, never could get his slider going.

Turning point: Beckett's game 5 performance. It was clutch, and had anyone else started for Boston that night, I think the Indians would be tuning up for the Rockies.

Managers; Francona did a much better job than Wedge in this series. Wedgie was adament in not moving Pronk down in the lineup, or not taking him out, as he was hurting, not helping the team. His decidion to go with Raffy Perez in game #6, when it was still close, was a inexcusable blunder on his part. He should have brought in Jensen Lewis at that point, not Perez. Perez and then Mastny promptly threw gas on the fire, and that game was over in the 7th inning.

Biggest play of the series. I think it has to be Pedroi's home run in the 8th. Has to be. This game was clearly still in doubt until Blake made the error, and Bentencourt hung that pitch to Pedroia. Next biggest play, I think, was Lofton being called out at 2nd in game 7. That proved huge. If the Indians could have ever tied it, it's a much different ballgame.

So, barring some divine intervention in the 9th, the Sox are going to win. Now, it's 8-2, so it's over.

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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:46 am

Cleveland's all but dead now. 9-2 after Pedroia's double.

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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:46 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 45):
Now, it's 8-2, so it's over.

Uhhh its 9-2, and its NOT over yet.
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RE: Alcs Game #7 Thread: Win, Or Go Home

Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:47 am

Correction: its 11-2! HOLY GUACAMOLE!!!!!!
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