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Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:13 am

What are the advantages and disadvantages of having an Apple computer - iMac, MacBook, MacBook Pro.

I am hoping to get one next year, and would like to know the pros and cons. All advice would be great.

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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:15 am

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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:29 am

You'll get "emotional" responses in both directions, so make sure you only listen to the objective opinions and not things like if a computer fits your "lifestyle".

So here's what you should do:

Think about all the tasks you do with your computer, like: internet, email, word processing, image editing, Flight Simulator, Transport Tycoon and Sim City 4. (Just an example)

Then you go ahead and find out if you can do all those things on a mac. In most cases you'll be fine, the rest is getting used to the interface which is easily done.

I'm in the process of changing my personal and my office computers to Linux, so that's pretty much what I did: Decide if everything I used to do can also be done on the new system.

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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:49 pm

Apple ownership advantages:

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Apple ownership disadvantages:

Klaus thinks you're hot.

I've still got my Mac Classic, by the way. It's nearly an antique.

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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:57 pm

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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:24 pm

I am a lifelong PC user - my last Apple was an Apple ][ in 1981. But I have to admit I am starting to think about changing.

The main advantage is standardization of hardware, as I see it. Only one company makes Macs. That ensures that the only hardware you get is certified to run properly with the operating system. Windows has to deal with hundreds of manufacturers, with hundreds of thousands of possible configurations. It's a free-for-all, and to be honest it's pretty damned amazing that Windows works as good as it does on a vast majority of computers.

But I am seriously considering whether my next computer will be a Mac. They now can run Windows programs, so the PC's biggest advantage has now left the building.
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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:20 pm

I used Windows for 15 years, and switched to Mac last year. It's a decision I've not once regretted.

Here's my best take at an objective look at what a Mac can and can not do compared to a PC:

Operating System:
Mac OS X is very easy to use. Windows is too, for the most part, but very often Windows takes you on a bit of a search to find that applet to change something in Windows. In OS X, it's all there in one screen - System Preferences. It's also very easy to navigate; the dock is an excellent tool, and shortcuts such as Exposé help you navigate multiple windows with ease. It's probably worth mentioning the enhancements that will be available when OS X Leopard is released (this Friday) - enhancements to the dock and the new 'Spaces' will make navigating OS X even easier. Without trying to inject any emotion in to this, the OS X experience is generally more 'fun' and more 'pleasant' than Windows XP or Vista.

Applications:
So far, I have found not one thing that I used to do on Windows that haven't been able to do on a Mac. Office applications, image editing, video editing, email, Internet, development, audio editing...it's all there. And, for the most part, Mac OS X comes with applications to get you doing most of those things very quickly. If you have an application that you absolutely can't do without that is Windows only, you can use something like Parallels Coherence to run that Windows application natively on the OS X desktop.

Games:
I'm not a gamer, but with Mac's now being Intel based, you can dual boot to Windows if you need to. However, you should only need to do that if your game requires 3D acceleration. Any other game can be run in Mac OS X using Parallels Coherence.

Hardware:
The hardware is probably the most reliable I've ever come across. Standardization is nothing to laugh at; by limiting it to their own hardware, Apple have ensured that OS X runs immaculately on it. And it's good hardware too; reliable, high quality, properly integrated with the various components. And, as much as people say "I don't care about how it looks", I think people really do care...they don't want a brick or something obnoxious looking. So Apple have injected some style in to the casing too. The entire range looks sleek and sophisticated and it also has continuity with other Apple hardware; the iPod, the iPhone, the AirPort etc.; they all share the same basic design elements.

Customer Support:
One of the best, if not the best, in the industry. The call center staff are helpful and knowledgable, the store staff are friendly, and their 'Genius Bar' is...well...genius. When I switched, I took advantage of their offer of one-on-one tuition to help me make the switch (although looking back, I don't really think I needed it, except to perhaps learn the ins and outs of KeyNote), and the Genius Bar people were super helpful. I never felt like they were 'talking down' to me; they were very helpful. The only time I had to call the support line was when I was setting up my AirPort and I couldn't figure out how to configure Port Forwarding. 3 minutes on the phone and it was all taken care of.

I hope some of that helps.

Edited for spelling.

[Edited 2007-10-23 09:25:59]
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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:17 pm

I just thought of one issue I had with Macs that I've used. It's the single-button mouse. I am constantly using two buttons and the scroll wheel with a PC. I find it to be much faster than hunting for icons on the screen. Can you use multi-button mice with Macs or are you stuck with the single button?
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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:23 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 7):
Can you use multi-button mice with Macs or are you stuck with the single button?

Yes, you can use a multi-button mouse with a Mac. The scroll-wheel function works as normal, and the right-click brings up the context menu for whatever you are right-clicking on.
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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:37 pm

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 6):
Here's my best take at an objective look at what a Mac can and can not do compared to a PC:

You forgot the cannots.
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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:40 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 9):
You forgot the cannots.

Well...you can not get a Blue Screen of Death. How about that?

Actually, I really can't think of anything you can not do with a Mac now they're all Intel based.

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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:44 pm

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 10):
Actually, I really can't think of anything you can not do with a Mac not they're all Intel based.

How about 3rd party hardware? There's a limited amount out there for Mac.
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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:45 pm

One thing I've always wondered is, can you easily transfer all your old Windows files to a Mac? I mean Word documents and spreadsheets in particular. Do you have to buy a special Word cd for Mac to assure compatibility, or will they run on Mac's word processor?




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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:54 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 11):
How about 3rd party hardware? There's a limited amount out there for Mac.

What sort of 3rd party hardware are you thinking?

Quoting Toast (Reply 12):
can you easily transfer all your old Windows files to a Mac? I mean Word documents and spreadsheets in particular. Do you have to buy a special Word cd for Mac to assure compatibility, or will they run on Mac's word processor?

It's very easy. You can either use something like OpenOffice, which MS Office files are compatible with, or you can get Microsoft's Office:Mac to retain the same applications.
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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:05 pm

I'll always use a PC, it's a much better system. Vista really isn't difficult to use, and theres much more software for it.

A Mac doesn't offer anything over Vista, except that maybe it is a bit simpler to use. Thats isn't enough to make up for all the disadvantages (lack of software, fixed/limited hardware, lack of customization).

If Mac OS is so great anyway, why do so many users install XP as well?
 
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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:13 pm

Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 14):
A Mac doesn't offer anything over Vista

More secure, more stable, no issues with drivers not being available for obscure pieces of hardware...

Have you ever used a Mac?

Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 14):
why do so many users install XP as well?

I don't think they do. It's just a nice option to have if it ever becomes necessary.

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 6):
Here's my best take at an objective look

I forgot to add the issue of Security. Unlike Windows, there's no tangible threat out there to Mac OS X, so that means that you don't need to run any anti-virus, anti-malware, anti-adware, or personal firewall.

Also, here's just another take on it from another angle. We hear people on this forum and I'm sure in other places saying how great it was that they switched from PC to Mac. How often do you hear someone switching from Mac to PC and raving at how great it is? Just something to think about...
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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:00 pm

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 15):
Also, here's just another take on it from another angle. We hear people on this forum and I'm sure in other places saying how great it was that they switched from PC to Mac. How often do you hear someone switching from Mac to PC and raving at how great it is? Just something to think about

Well, I switched from a $3,600 1992 dollars Mac IIVX to a $950 1999 IBM Aptiva to a $950 2004 Dell Dimension to a $55 2004 Dell Precision 360 harvested from university surplus a couple weeks ago which works like a champ.

Quite simply, you can do a lot more on a lot slimmer computing budget if you adopt the generic Microsoft/Intel/AMD platform.

Of course you'll have to be proactive in protecting yourself against spyware, viruses (virii?) and random annoyances that come with the overly complex operating system. And it'll help loads if you are something of a tinkerer and troubleshooter because you'll be doing that a bit. It all goes with the territory. You also have to use a little sanity when selecting componentry but even good stuff is dirt cheap.


You never really know what's going to happen with your PC though-which can teach you a lot about thinking your way through tight spots. A good thing to practice. I mean, look. As strange as it acts sometimes, you're still not going to freeze to death in a snowdrift for heaven's sake.

the difference is really like the difference between a Ford Galaxie and a Volvo. They're both fine in their own dimension, but one costs a lot less to acquire and maintain even if it's not nearly as refined.

If you're OK with all that, there's no real reason to buy Apple's products. On the other hand if you aren't really a hands on person Apple's made for you.
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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:24 pm

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 13):
What sort of 3rd party hardware are you thinking?

You seemed to have already answered this via another question, but those drivers may only be generic, and not specific drivers that may be required to achieve full functionality of any specific hardware device. XP has this same kind of thing.

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 15):
or personal firewall.

If you think that Macs don't need a personal firewall, you are really setting yourself up for problems. Ever heard of a root kit?
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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:52 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 17):

If you think that Macs don't need a personal firewall, you are really setting yourself up for problems.

I didn't really convey it very clearly. What I meant was that you don't need a third party firewall...the built in firewall is good.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 17):
Ever heard of a root kit?

Yes.
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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:13 pm

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 15):
I forgot to add the issue of Security. Unlike Windows, there's no tangible threat out there to Mac OS X, so that means that you don't need to run any anti-virus, anti-malware, anti-adware, or personal firewall.

This is without as doubt one of the biggest selling points. I've never had an issueds with any of my Macs, and I'm now on my 5th machine (a macbook). BUT -- the main reason for that is that hackers couldn't be bothered expernding energy on a suite that has lerss than 10% of the market. That may change, and Apple had better be ready for it.


Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 15):
Also, here's just another take on it from another angle. We hear people on this forum and I'm sure in other places saying how great it was that they switched from PC to Mac. How often do you hear someone switching from Mac to PC and raving at how great it is? Just something to think about...

I've used both PC (at work) and Mac for a variety of applications and I'd go back to a typewriter before I'd embrace another PC. Lurking behind Windows is DOS.  Wink

Having said that, operational differences between the two are pretty minimal now. The main Mac Advantage is the stability and reliability of OS-X, which continues to outshine Windows.
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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:05 pm

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 18):
Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 17):

If you think that Macs don't need a personal firewall, you are really setting yourself up for problems.

I didn't really convey it very clearly. What I meant was that you don't need a third party firewall...the built in firewall is good.

As is the one built into XP.
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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:25 am

Since all Macs can run Windows natively, there is no disadvantage. If you need Windows it's there. Mac OS is good enough to keep you from booting into windows though, so you'll probably only use that feature to run games or windows-only apps.

In other words, a Mac is everything a Windows compatible machine is plus it is a Macintosh.

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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:33 am

Quoting Asturias (Reply 21):
Since all Macs can run Windows natively, there is no disadvantage.

Sure, there's a disadvantage. If I wanted to upgrade the motherboard, I'd have to buy a whole new computer, because Apple has all of their proprietary protection chips on their Appleboard, and without those chips, Windows would still work, but OSX would not. And a new Mac would be another $800+ out the window, plus the time required to transfer data, hardware, etc.

So, in reality, all a Mac is, is just a PC with some proprietary chips made by Apple to act as a key for OSX's boot sequence.
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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:54 am

I'm typing this message on OSX. I was a big PC user until this summer when I went laptop shopping and fell in love with OS X, and I now use a MacBook Pro. Its a great machine, and works well with all of my applications. I've heard Parallels works well, but an Apple rep told me that you are susceptible to Windows viruseswith Parallels. I can run MS Office on my MBP, which eliminates a lot of compatibility problems with my Windows-using professors,most of whom actually use Macs, and friends. Reliability-wise, the MBP is a great machine, and with a few months use, I've yet to have any problems.

I was extremely cautious before switching, but after a week or two of exploring and getting to know my Mac, I was satisfied. I still am satisfied, and yes, Apple sales clerks are really knowledgeable and friendly, even if you stop by for a second to ask a quick question.

Words of Caution--Apples are more expensive, so be ready to shell out more than you'd like. Having said that though, they make good machines.
Do your homework before you buy. I thought the Apple sales rep was a bit quick and perhaps a little bit too eager to get me a mac before all the questions were answered. The loud music blaring in the background didn't help that much either. I spoke with several friends before hand, did a few demos on their computers, and therefore knew exactly what I wanted.

Bottom line--If your line of work/needs allow for a Mac, go for it. You won't be disappointed. Pricy? Yes, very much so. Worth the cost? Absolutely. The only reason I would buy a Windows laptop for my next computer would be if my work requires me to, otherwise I'll gladly stick with Mac.
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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:10 pm

I myself has always used a PC. I have never encountered a problem with it, except the odd freezes in the 98' version of windows and when the machine completely broke when it fell from a table (thankfully it was old and we were getting a new one anyway).

However, in my schools where they have used pc's there has been no major problem (except networking problems [due to a horrible network administrator]) However, the school I went to that used macs (can't remember the version, but the one right before OS-X, kept on crashing and constantly there was problems with them).

I have always been a Windows man, and I will always be a windows man, even though it means viruses (anyway, how hard can it be to maintain an anti-virus program, or/and a firewall?) Viruses do not mean a dead system, you can easily just format it.

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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:08 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 24):
I have always been a Windows man, and I will always be a windows man, even though it means viruses (anyway, how hard can it be to maintain an anti-virus program, or/and a firewall?) Viruses do not mean a dead system, you can easily just format it.

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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:34 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 25):
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 24):
I have always been a Windows man, and I will always be a windows man, even though it means viruses (anyway, how hard can it be to maintain an anti-virus program, or/and a firewall?) Viruses do not mean a dead system, you can easily just format it.

Come on, you're too young to give up on life that easily!

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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:50 pm

Is it possible to transfer music from Windows Media Player on my PC to iTunes on an Apple Mac? Can i do this via the iPod?
 
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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:58 pm

Quoting QantasA333 (Reply 27):
Is it possible to transfer music from Windows Media Player on my PC to iTunes on an Apple Mac?

Absolutely. Even if they are in wma format, you can use something like EasyWMA.

Quoting QantasA333 (Reply 27):
Can i do this via the iPod?

You would need third party software that would let you 'copy' songs from your iPod to your computer, but it can be done. However, when you switch to Mac, it's really easy to transfer files using anyone of a number of available methods - network, bluetooth, USB key etc.
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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:07 am

Advantage for me is being able to run both a Mac OS and XP at the same time.
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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:21 am

Quoting QantasA333 (Reply 27):
Is it possible to transfer music from Windows Media Player on my PC to iTunes on an Apple Mac? Can i do this via the iPod?

You can download Itunes for Windows and Sync it to an Ipod and then sync to the Mac Itunes (I have never done this but I'd assume it would work)
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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:25 am

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 30):
(I have never done this but I'd assume it would work)

No, it won't work. This is prevented so that you can't use your iPod to copy your music on to your friend's PC, your friend's friend's PC, and everyone else who wants it.

It's possible to do using third party software that circumvents the lockdown.
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RE: Advantages & Disadvantages Of Apple Computers

Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:07 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 6):
I used Windows for 15 years, and switched to Mac last year. It's a decision I've not once regretted.

Same here. 15 years with Windows units at home, and I switched September 2006. Only regret is I didn't make the switch sooner.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 20):
I didn't really convey it very clearly. What I meant was that you don't need a third party firewall...the built in firewall is good.
As is the one built into XP.

Can't agree there. XP security was a continuous PITA.
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