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Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:52 am

Anyone seen this yet? I saw it this past weekend and was thoroughly impressed with it. Michael Moore isn't the "Average Joe" he portrays himself as in his movies...he's a rich, pompous ass.

He avoided talking to the guy who made the film...it was a strikingly similar parallel to Roger Smith in Moore's first film "Roger and Me."

I'd definitely recommend you all go see it.
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:38 am

Like anyone cares. Those who see his movies still will go see them, and those who hate him still hate him. Whats new?
 
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:47 am

Quoting Copaair737 (Thread starter):
Anyone seen this yet?

YET?

The film was made in 2004.

" ... It premiered September 12, 2004 in Dallas, Texas at the American Film Renaissance film festival, which was described as "the first conservative film festival in the country" ... "
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:51 am

Quoting ZOTAN (Reply 1):
Like anyone cares. Those who see his movies still will go see them, and those who hate him still hate him. Whats new?

I agree.

I for one still can't stand the man.
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:12 am

so criticizing = hate?

Unless, he said we should wipe the US off the map, I dont think he "HATES" America.
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:23 am

Quoting Diamond (Reply 2):
"the first conservative film festival in the country"

 rotfl  Sounds very attractive - "conservatives" in the US sense of the word have always been such trend-setting supporters of the arts!

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 4):
so criticizing = hate?

But of course! To some, dissent equals disloyalty and disloyalty equals hatred. Sometimes you'd think the McCarthy scandal had never happened.
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:24 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 5):
Sometimes you'd think the McCarthy scandal had never happened.

But he was right, the communists were all over the place!!!  box 
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:32 am

Quoting Diamond (Reply 2):
YET?

The film was made in 2004.

" ... It premiered September 12, 2004 in Dallas, Texas at the American Film Renaissance film festival, which was described as "the first conservative film festival in the country" ... "

So how does that take away from the question of if someone has seen it? I have not seen it, but keep your personal biased statements to the side. What does the "made date" have to do with whether it has something to state or not.

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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:34 am

I for one don't really like Michael Moore, but definitely like the input he has behind his actions...like he gets the 9/11 victims into a boat and tries to get them into the Guantanamo Bay med facilities in 'Sicko'... that's wild!

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 6):
the communists were all over the place

...and still are actually!!!  cry 
If you like, Arthur Miller's play about the Salem witch trials... A well written play with really good criticism and similarities of Senator McCarthy's actions.
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:35 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 6):
But he was right, the communists were all over the place!!!

And America suffered to a great extent because of it, obviously.

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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:40 am

I haven't seen "MM hates America" yet, and I'm not really planning to do so. However, I did just saw "manufacturing dissent" at the Gent Filmfestival, also a documentary, but from a more neutral source, about Michael Moore and the tactics he uses. Quite revealing and shocking too. The message he tries to bring may be right, but the way he brings it and the fact that he would alter the truth just to make his message more spectacular completly discredits him and destroys his credibility more then any smut campaign ever could...
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:28 pm

i have seen sicko today, and have to say it was shockingly unmoore.
yes the first 20 minutes were very moore, yes i agree that the cuban part was full of pathos and not really as great as he makes it to be, since this care might be available for some, but certainly not across the whole country.
what really made this good though was the part about the life of people in canada, uk and france, including expats. this part is very well done, i hope its an eye opener to people.
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:39 pm

Quoting Bwest (Reply 10):
The message he tries to bring may be right, but the way he brings it and the fact that he would alter the truth just to make his message more spectacular completly discredits him and destroys his credibility more then any smut campaign ever could...

I will agree that anyone who glams up their message to increase it's perceived effectiveness destroys his/her argument by distracting from any core truths and even casting doubt on those truths due to the proven dishonesty of the messenger.
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:14 pm

I have seen MMHA, and contrary to the other anti-MM films out there it's actually quite good. It's very funny when they guy in it is interviewed live on tv and is extremely nervous. I think they should have chosen another title though since it's just awfull and offsetting.
 
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:54 pm

Quoting INNflight (Reply 8):
If you like, Arthur Miller's play about the Salem witch trials... A well written play with really good criticism and similarities of Senator McCarthy's actions.

The Crucible. Both the McCarthy and Salem witch trials were more or less the same, just no people chasing communists with pitchforks and torches or drowning them.

Regardless, I still hate Moore. The fact that he's originally from my hometown does not help either.
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:21 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 6):
But he was right, the communists were all over the place!!!

They still are.

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 4):
Unless, he said we should wipe the US off the map, I dont think he "HATES" America.

He hates big business, but he wants big business to take care of us.

Your statement is still true. I don't think MM ever said he hates America, but it does make a catchy movie title.

Quoting Zak (Reply 11):
yes the first 20 minutes were very moore, yes i agree that the cuban part was full of pathos and not really as great as he makes it to be, since this care might be available for some, but certainly not across the whole country.
what really made this good though was the part about the life of people in canada, uk and france, including expats. this part is very well done, i hope its an eye opener to people.

I have very good health insurance and I aways hear people bitch about how we public employees have it so good when it comes to healthcare. Some people, at least in Michigan, want to bring us down to what the typical corporate employee gets. I say this. How come people say we get too much, but they don't complain they don't get enough. When I work a corporate job at Ford we didn't get crap compared to UAW guys. Some people said the UAW should get the same as us. I said the company owes us the same as the UAW. At my current job our union negotiated for us and our union and employer agreed to terms. Maybe some other people who complain they don't get enough ought to stop complaining and try to form a group and negotiate terms.

That is way off topic, but it just the way I feel about health care. I am a redneck conservative when it comes to all but three important political issues and health care is one of them.

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 14):
Regardless, I still hate Moore. The fact that he's originally from my hometown does not help either.

I mentioned this a few times before. A couple of years ago we had a MM burning party at my house. A bunch of friends came by and we burned MM's books and videos. It was a very uplifting evening.
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:55 pm

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 15):
A couple of years ago we had a MM burning party at my house. A bunch of friends came by and we burned MM's books and videos. It was a very uplifting evening.

i am so looking forward to become a hatred author in the u.s., people even buy MORE books since they need so many, they have to burn them.
seriously, if you have to burn books, you so shoot yourself in the foot. you implicitly admit that you cant just "let it slide" and stand over whatever word is written, yet apparently fail to properly disassemble the content, because if you would, you would laugh at it and just ignore it, ergo stand over the issue since you know better. (any book, not only mm books)
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:44 am

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 15):
I mentioned this a few times before. A couple of years ago we had a MM burning party at my house. A bunch of friends came by and we burned MM's books and videos. It was a very uplifting evening.

That's just about the saddest thing I've heard this year.

I don't mind Michael Moore as I merely see him as a politically slanted, (like leaning over!) propoganda producer. Stories loosely based around fact to get a personal point across. Not a big deal. You would see more slanted, opinionated debate on topics on this website.

However, there was a moment in "sicko" where I did feel he was a bit of a wanker. When he sent that cheque to the guy who runs the Mike Moore hatred website, and MM said he did it anonymously. It's a bit of a hollow gesture when you then go an announce that to the world. I hope the guy sent the cheque back.
 
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:55 am

Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 17):
Quoting Falstaff (Reply 15):
I mentioned this a few times before. A couple of years ago we had a MM burning party at my house. A bunch of friends came by and we burned MM's books and videos. It was a very uplifting evening.

That's just about the saddest thing I've heard this year.

 checkmark  Burning books because you hate the author for his views never fails to remind me of very dark times in my country.
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:09 am

Quoting Zak (Reply 16):
i am so looking forward to become a hatred author in the u.s.,

Why stop in the USA. Remember Salamon Rushdie (I am not sure about the spelling), people hated him all over the world.

Quoting Zak (Reply 16):
if you have to burn books, you so shoot yourself in the foot



Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 17):
That's just about the saddest thing I've heard this year.

Lighten up guys. It was all just fun not a political statement. I also had a party where we burned disco records (my apologies to Superfly), which was on the 25th anniversary of the great Disco record burn in Chicago. It also happened the Sox were playing the Tigers again, which was the reason we thought it was fun to burn. Every November I have an election sign burning party where we all burn those annoying signs. All candidates are represented.

My friends and I have burned lots of stuff in our fire pits.

You can knock on me all you want for bashing MM. I have a friend who loves MM (he gives me trouble when I knock on him), but has a picture of G.W. Bush in his garage with darts stuck in it. Burning books from MM and a darted GWB are the same thing. It is a free country and we can express our beliefs any way we want.
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:12 am

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 19):
Why stop in the USA. Remember Salamon Rushdie (I am not sure about the spelling), people hated him all over the world.

So... this implies you're comparing Americans to the fanatics who wanted to kill Rushdie or have him killed.
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:27 am

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 4):
I dont think he "HATES" America.

I agree. Look at his last movie, where he tried to show how wonderful Cuba is, with better health care. Notice how he didn't stay in Cuba? He's also become extremely rich. Must be tough to be a rich socialist.
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:30 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 20):
So... this implies you're comparing Americans to the fanatics who wanted to kill Rushdie or have him killed

again stooping down to the lowest levels. Its sad when people criticize other countries, cultures, peoples yet compare themselves to these scum of the earth. However, he is right when he says

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 19):
It is a free country and we can express our beliefs any way we want.

To each their own.
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:30 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 21):
Must be tough to be a rich socialist.

Oh, but don't you see? He's already doing his fair share of sharing - not his money, but his ideas which undoubtedly are worth so much more!  duck 
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:38 am

I find it comical that LAXSpotter is criticizing Falstaff for criticizing Moore, when all LAX does is criticize the US at every turn.
If the US is so bad, why do people like LAXSpotter and Mr. Moore still live here? Why not move to Cuba, after all, they have it right...right?
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:42 am

What are these filmmakers trying to prove?

Moore goes out every few years, pisses a bunch of people off, makes a shitload of money, then goes back and sits around at his own personal buffet while laughing at the clowns who get all worked up about him and deciding how long before he pisses them off again. And they fall for it every time. Moore gets all the publicity he wants.
 
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:54 am

Quoting WellHung (Reply 25):
Moore goes out every few years, pisses a bunch of people off, makes a shitload of money, then goes back and sits around at his own personal buffet while laughing at the clowns who get all worked up about him and deciding how long before he pisses them off again. And they fall for it every time. Moore gets all the publicity he wants.

Moore's entire shtick is an overlong get-rich-quick scheme. And it sure worked wonders. Anyone who gets worked up about him on either end of the stick is just buying into his deal and they're all idiots for it.
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:40 am

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 19):
Lighten up guys. It was all just fun not a political statement.

I didn't mean sad=disturbing. I meant sad=lame. Must be one hell of an A-list party I'm sure the chicks must have flocked along!!
 
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:15 am

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 24):
I find it comical that LAXSpotter is criticizing Falstaff for criticizing Moore, when all LAX does is criticize the US at every turn.

look again, I criticized for comparing the US to such "low" countries, I didnt say "hey I dont like you criticizing MM". I even acknowledged that he is entitled to his beliefs, I never praised MM, so read carefully.

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 24):
If the US is so bad, why do people like LAXSpotter and Mr. Moore still live here?

Did I even imply that, questioning doesnt equate to hatred of this country, why does it bother you? I've only watched one of his movies, I'm not a MM fanatic.
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:27 am

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 28):
Did I even imply that, questioning doesnt equate to hatred of this country, why does it bother you? I've only watched one of his movies, I'm not a MM fanatic.

It's not just your posts here, in every thread you bash the US at every whim. I've never seen a post of yours that is "America is great for (insert something)." It's always bashing our policies and everything else.

Why not move back to India? Do they have it right where we don't? What country's policies do you like? Why not move there? Maybe you'll be happier.
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:42 am

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 29):
bash the US at every whim. I've never seen a post of yours that is "America is great for (insert something)."

is there a thread needing such comments? We dont have such threads

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 29):
Why not move back to India? Do they have it right where we don't?

here it comes the classic "if you dont like us get out".

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 29):
Why not move there? Maybe you'll be happier.

I'm happy here, Im not going anywhere, I dont have to be a zealous patriot, If I was absolutely disgusted with the Country I would move, but that is not the case, I'm here for economic reasons.
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:52 am

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 30):
I'm here for economic reasons.

So you are hoping to get a good life off of the country you spite in all your threads?
How thoughtful.
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:04 am

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 31):
So you are hoping to get a good life off of the country you spite in all your threads?
How thoughtful.

Yes, my opinions are really going to affect this country's psyche. I may look like a American "Hater" in your eyes but I do like this country, it is something special, probably one of the only countries where you are free to become what you choose and the opportunities are endless, with hard work and education, a poor man can become successful. If it werent for this, millions of immigrants wouldnt be coming into the country every year. I dont believe in all that "freedom" and "liberty" talk, because I come from the largest democracy and frankly I havent felt more "free" since I came here. The same freedom's that I have here I had back in my native land, however the only resounding reason for me staying here is because of the economic advantages.
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RE: Michael Moore Hates America...a Movie.

Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:15 am

Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 27):
Must be one hell of an A-list party I'm sure the chicks must have flocked along!!

You would be surprised.
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