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Global Warming Or Payback Time?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:44 am

It's nearly 1am on the first night of winter in the northern hemisphere, and the temperature is a whopping 13 deg. Is this proof of global warming, or just payback time for a crap summer? It's warmer tonight, at the beginning of November, in the middle of the night, than it's been on a lot of days in the middle of summer.

Anywhere else getting similar weather?
 
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RE: Global Warming Or Payback Time?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:58 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
Anywhere else getting similar weather?

Yes, here in Birmingham it is moderately hot for this time of night. Then again, it has been getting colder much earlier this year than it was this time year... because last year was an unusually mild winter. You can't really tell anything from a single peak during one night, but looking back for the month of September you can see that the overall trend was of a drop in average temperature and I would expect October's average to be significantly below average when it is published;

2000 4.6 5.8 7.1 7.6 11.7 14.5 14.9 16.4 14.5 10.1 6.6 5.3 4.90 8.83 15.29 10.39 9.95
2001 3.2 4.2 5.0 7.4 12.1 13.8 16.7 16.6 13.1 13.1 7.1 3.4 4.25 8.15 15.72 11.14 9.68
2002 5.3 6.6 7.3 8.9 11.6 14.0 15.6 16.8 14.0 9.8 8.2 5.4 5.05 9.26 15.50 10.67 10.32
2003 4.2 3.8 7.3 9.3 11.8 15.7 17.2 17.8 14.1 9.0 8.0 4.7 4.50 9.45 16.91 10.34 10.27
2004 4.9 5.1 6.3 9.2 11.8 15.1 15.6 17.2 14.5 10.4 7.5 5.2 4.92 9.09 15.99 10.80 10.25
2005 5.7 4.0 6.8 8.7 11.1 15.2 16.5 15.9 14.9 12.8 6.1 4.2 5.02 8.86 15.88 11.30 10.21
2006 4.1 3.7 4.6 8.3 11.9 15.6 19.3 16.0 16.5 12.8 7.9 6.1 4.00 8.28 17.00 12.41 10.61
2007 6.7 5.8 7.0 11.0 11.7 14.7 15.2 15.4 13.8

Source: Hadley Centre/Met Office

Note also the exceptionally mild temperatures for the start of this year, which to many parts brought a very early spring - you have to go back to 1921 to find a January which was as warm and only 1916 was warmer. That said, figures like those above can be adapted to say anything, just like I have just done; take the overall averages for the winter months and you find warmer winters much sooner back in the time-line.


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RE: Global Warming Or Payback Time?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:37 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
It's nearly 1am on the first night of winter in the northern hemisphere,

You must work off a completely different calender in Ireland. In the USA, the first day of winter is usually Decenber 21. I thought the same was true for most of the northern hemisphere, but I was apparently wrong.
 
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RE: Global Warming Or Payback Time?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:46 am

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 2):
You must work off a completely different calender in Ireland. In the USA, the first day of winter is usually Decenber 21. I thought the same was true for most of the northern hemisphere, but I was apparently wrong.

Maybe it's been changed, like so many things over the years, but when I was in primary school (not today or yesterday, I have to admit), we were told the seasons were: winter: Nov, Dec, Jan; spring: Feb, Mar, Apr; summer: May, June, July and autumn: Aug, Sept, Oct. I do remember some people pushing that one month forward, but the media used to use the first days of November, February, May and August as heralding the start of the seasons.

Maybe the seasonal months vary, depending on location, which would make sense. The way we were taught, they correspond closest to the behaviour of plants in the country.
 
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RE: Global Warming Or Payback Time?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:55 am

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 2):
In the USA, the first day of winter is usually Decenber 21.

Over here it's December 21st as well...
 
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RE: Global Warming Or Payback Time?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:09 am

Looks like it is a movable feast! From Wikipedia:

"Depending on place and culture, start and end of winter can be defined as above or in other ways. Contemporary meteorology takes winter to be the months of June, July, and August in the Southern Hemisphere, and December, January, and February in the Northern Hemisphere. (This sometimes includes March). However, many cultures in Europe and East Asia consider winter to begin in November."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:26 am

The meteorological winter - and this thread is about weather - begins on 1st December and ends on 28/29th February.

The astronomical winter begins this year on 22nd December at 06:08 GMT and ends on 20th March 2008 at 05:48 GMT.

When I was in primary school, probably not too long after you Braybuddy, I learned that December, January and February are the winter months!  Smile

Here it is very dull weather, damp, grey and very mild.
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RE: Global Warming Or Payback Time?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:31 am

Woohoo! Another Global Warming thread!!

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RE: Global Warming Or Payback Time?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:40 am

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 7):
Woohoo! Another Global Warming thread!!

Maybe I should have been more imaginative and titled it "Are Northwest's DC-9s Causing Global Warming?"
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:48 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 8):
"Are Northwest's DC-9s Causing Global Warming?"

Aha, but that doesn't qualify for a thread in non-av., does it.  Wink
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RE: Global Warming Or Payback Time?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:51 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 8):
Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 7):
Woohoo! Another Global Warming thread!!

Maybe I should have been more imaginative and titled it "Are Northwest's DC-9s Causing Global Warming?"

Not that I much give a rip, but there happened to be another one in progress.  sarcastic 
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RE: Global Warming Or Payback Time?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:58 am

Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 9):
Aha, but that doesn't qualify for a thread in non-av., does it

Okay, then "This Is My 1,000th Post And My First On Global Warming". Wink

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 10):
Not that I much give a rip, but there happened to be another one in progress

That was ONE MONTH ago, and the world has undoubtedly warmed since then.
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:15 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 11):
Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 10):
Not that I much give a rip, but there happened to be another one in progress

That was ONE MONTH ago, and the world has undoubtedly warmed since then.

Is this a late Halloween thread? Wait for the other alarmists to wake up to help you spread the bad news.
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RE: Global Warming Or Payback Time?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:20 am

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 12):
Wait for the other alarmists to wake up to help you spread the bad news

Hey, I think global warming is great! I use aerosols all the time, for no reason whatsoever, and my carbon footprint gets bigger all the time . . .
 
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RE: Global Warming Or Payback Time?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:26 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 13):
my carbon footprint gets bigger all the time . . .

I recently did a test online to find out my carbon footprint.
The average person's is around 4-5 tonnes a year. Mine was 29 tonnes.
Must try to get it to 50 next year
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:27 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 13):
Hey, I think global warming is great!

Funny, but some of us really don't care. Great, awful, whatever. I'm for responsible use of energy, but this stuff is old. I'm enjoying the warmth w/o concern about the climate.
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RE: Global Warming Or Payback Time?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:58 am

Quoting 747438 (Reply 14):
The average person's is around 4-5 tonnes a year. Mine was 29 tonnes.

After reading this I decided to take one of Gore's propaganda carbon footprint tests.

National average: 7.5 tonnes.
Me: 22.7 tonnes.

Goal for 2008: 25 tonnes, a 9% increase.  devil 

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RE: Global Warming Or Payback Time?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:21 pm

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 16):
Goal for 2008: 25 tonnes, a 9% increase.

Must do more flying. Not a problem.

Fly more NW DC-9's then  Wink
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RE: Global Warming Or Payback Time?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:24 pm

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 16):
Quoting 747438 (Reply 14):
The average person's is around 4-5 tonnes a year. Mine was 29 tonnes.

After reading this I decided to take one of Gore's propaganda carbon footprint tests.

National average: 7.5 tonnes.
Me: 22.7 tonnes.

Goal for 2008: 25 tonnes, a 9% increase.

Must do more flying. Not a problem.

Where can I take the test?
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RE: Global Warming Or Payback Time?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:50 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 18):
Where can I take the test?

Step 1. Go to www.google.com
Step 2. Input "carbon footprint calculator" or something of the sort in the search box.
Step 3. Hit search
Step 4. Click on one of the 700,000 links that come up. I just did the first few in the list, got some widely different results, none of them great though.
Step 5. Post in my topic I am starting now about your carbon footprint.
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RE: Global Warming Or Payback Time?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:53 am

Where the heck is Cpt. Utopia aka Klaus?

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
It's nearly 1am on the first night of winter in the northern hemisphere,

I have to admit that caught me a little off guard as well, especially since there is one month left in the hurricane season.
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RE: Global Warming Or Payback Time?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:03 am

When I was growing up in Northern Ontario, the seasons went as follows:

Spring: April - June
Summer: July and August
Fall: September and October
Winter: November - March

At least that's what it felt like. Here in Seattle, the seasons go like this:

Rain: October - June
Summer: July - September

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