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Anti-Virus Advice

Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:48 am

My Norton Anti-Virus expires in 7 days. I am wondering if I should renew or go with a different option due to the fact that Norton takes up a lot of memory. Any suggestions?
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:27 am

Anti-virus's have come so far these days that one must question whether or not they actually need to pay for one. There are plenty of free programs out there that perform just as good, if not better, than their costly counterparts. If you are looking for strictly an anti-virus program, here is what I recommend:

Freeware:

AVG Anti-Virus tends to be at the top of the list among peer and professional reviews. Some even say it performs better than the costly Norton Anti-Virus.

Payware:

In my opinion, I see no real point in purchasing just an anti-virus. I think if you are going to spend money, you may as well invest in a security suite. One that provides a firewall, anti-virus, anti-spyware, anti-spam, and so on. They don't cost much more, yet do quite a bit. My top pick, and the one I currently use:

Trend Micro Internet Security 2008

Norton 360 is also highly rated and even has a utilities program which maintains computer performance. It is a bit more pricey, but of course has more features.
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:32 am

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 1):
AVG Anti-Virus tends to be at the top of the list among peer and professional reviews. Some even say it performs better than the costly Norton Anti-Virus.

I'll attest to that. I used Norton for quite some time, when it came time to uninstall it seemed as though it was pretty much impossible. When I got my new laptop I actually bought AVG Complete for about $55 USD, it seems to have been well worth it, it seems to operate in the background without annoying me too much unlike Norton and it's constant reminders.
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:05 am

Quoting Bok269 (Thread starter):
Norton takes up a lot of memory.

Yeah, the average system barely crawls with that hog running loose in there.

Quoting Bok269 (Thread starter):
Any suggestions?

I've used them all -except for that questionable Panda stuff- over the years, and was never fully satisfied until I set foot in the wonderful world of avast!. Hey, I just can't recommend it enough. And you can try it for a couple of months before any actual wallet damage takes place.
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:27 am

Norton IS a virus....
 
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:27 am

Quoting Bok269 (Thread starter):

A little bit expensive but great... http://www.symantec.com/norton360/
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:31 pm

This one trumps them all...

Eset's NOD32. Easily the best anti-virus out there.
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sat Nov 03, 2007 2:14 pm

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 7):
Eset's NOD32. Easily the best anti-virus out there.

Yup. Get NOD32. Its brilliantly fast, uses barely any memory and Ive had no problems with it ever.

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Sat Nov 03, 2007 2:34 pm

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 7):
This one trumps them all...

Eset's NOD32. Easily the best anti-virus out there.

Ooh, and they have a version for Linux! (Not that Linux really needs one.)
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:54 pm

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 5):
Norton IS a virus....

it isn't. Their 360 product is just great.
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:21 pm

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 10):
it isn't. Their 360 product is just great.

Since when did a resource hogging, update lagging, file deleting, over-zealous "security" suite become great?

Seriously, NOD32 is whipping the "big names" in most if not all industry tests.
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:29 pm

Quoting Bok269 (Thread starter):
My Norton Anti-Virus expires in 7 days. I am wondering if I should renew or go with a different option due to the fact that Norton takes up a lot of memory. Any suggestions?



Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 6):
A little bit expensive but great

I've been running Norton for at least 4 years and I have never had a problem with my computer. The most I have paid for it was $29.00 CAN as they always offer a rebate.

I think what you have to ask yourself is - Has Norton worked for you? Has it done the job you expected it to do.

As far as the memory it takes up, you'll have to do a comparison with other programs to see if there is a huge difference.
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:50 pm

I've been using Bit Defender Internet Security since April. It's way better that Norton - anything is - but I'll certainly check out other options once it's expired. It sucks the life out of your RAM and CPU when all the bells and whistles are on. The interface is not user-friendly, the logs are not detailed, and when you want to find out more about the trojan you caught, it sends you to Bit Defender's homepage, where you're on your own.

I bought it because it was rated No 1 by PC World at the time and there was a "2 years for the price of 1" deal. I wouldn't recommend it now. I've never heard of NOD32, is it a newcomer to the market or have I been living under a rock?
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:33 pm

The biggest problem I had with Norton was when I decided to get rid of it, getting tired of them picking my pocket every year. Even after the 'removal' process was complete, a search turned up numerous archived files sprinkled here and there like roach powder, and it also required manually removing a string of files from the registry. THEN, it was gone.

AVG Free has worked for me quite well, XP's got a good firewall, and between Spybot search and destroy and Lavasoft's Adaware, spyware doesn't find a cozy nook in my machines. I've also used Eusing Registry cleaner with good results.
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:46 pm

Quoting Toast (Reply 13):
I've never heard of NOD32, is it a newcomer to the market or have I been living under a rock?

No, it's been around for a good 3 or 4 years. Check out the reviews...it leaves the other big players in the dust.
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:45 pm

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 11):

Since when did a resource hogging, update lagging, file deleting, over-zealous "security" suite become great?



Quoting Vaporlock (Reply 12):

I've been running Norton for at least 4 years and I have never had a problem with my computer. The most I have paid for it was $29.00 CAN as they always offer a rebate.

I think what you have to ask yourself is - Has Norton worked for you? Has it done the job you expected it to do.

It works perfectly for me [360 is around US$80.00].
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:36 pm

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 15):
Quoting Toast (Reply 13):
I've never heard of NOD32, is it a newcomer to the market or have I been living under a rock?

No, it's been around for a good 3 or 4 years. Check out the reviews...it leaves the other big players in the dust.

I'd never heard of it either, but its purported use of an advanced heuristics engine in addition to the traditional signature updates, makes the product worth checking out. I'll wait for version 3.0 to be released in a couple days, and give it a try in my backup computer.

There used to be an outstanding anti-virus out in the market, just before the turn of the century, which used a similar heuristics/signature approach. I believe the rights to that product (can't remember what it was called) were purchased by another company, which eventually turned it into some bloated, unusable garbage.
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:06 pm

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 10):
it isn't. Their 360 product is just great.

Norton 360 is the worst piece of $hit I have ever seen, as soon as I installed it my computer slowed down to a crawl and would lock up at times. I had it my computer for less than a day when I got totally fed up with it, I uninstalled it an got a full refund from Norton

STAY AWAY FROM NORTON 360, just read the reviews on Amazon.com. I learned my lesson, I should have read the reviews before I purchased it.
 
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:50 pm

As another poster said, Avast! is a good product. I use it free at home, and the only thing I have to do is once a year verify my data and get a new registration code, all free.

Free definition updates and free software updates, all year long. I've yet to have a virus infect my system. I tried it on a recommendation Kim Komando ( www.komando.com ) and have been very satisfied with the results. Usually her stuff is either a pay later trial or just not up to speed to what I like as a lot of her listeners are the average Joe user, but this software really does do it's job. I even can get McAfee FREE from Comcast and that crap just manages to clog my system up just like Norton did, and would much rather use Avast!.

Their stuff just works and works well.
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:09 pm

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 18):

Sorry, but it's your computer, not the product. I have installed 360 on several computers, and it has been completely flawless. And because of its built in utilities, it has kept those computers in decent shape, despite the fact the users are quite "dumb" when it comes to computers.
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:10 pm

Just about everywhere I look on the Internet, I find recommendations for Kaspersky anti-virus. I haven't tried it out yet, but may give it a shot. I was stupidly a Norton loyalist, and never really took into account how much junk it is. Well, the new 2008 version is just that-junk, and I may as well go to a different provider here shortly (it is a huge resource hog, and I everytime I started my PC, I got a "Would you like to check for updates?" message [I had to manually disable it; c:/program files/symantec/liveupdate/alunotify.exe] )

Although this thread is about anti-virus software, I am happy to say that Spy Sweeper is by far, the best anti-spyware software I have ever used. I would highly recommend it.
 
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:15 am

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 20):
Quoting Jetstar (Reply 18):

Sorry, but it's your computer, not the product. I have installed 360 on several computers, and it has been completely flawless. And because of its built in utilities, it has kept those computers in decent shape, despite the fact the users are quite "dumb" when it comes to computers.

I would consider you one of the lucky few who have not had any problems with Norton 360, the ratings for this software on Amazon.com is 2 out of 5 stars, a vast majority of the 101 posts to date have had problems with Norton 360 so the numbers speak for itself.

Although my computer is not the latest, it is less than 2 years old, I was using Norton Utilities for many years and when I tried to renew my yearly subscription I was forced to take Norton 360 instead, they weren’t allowing Utilities renewals anymore. I guess that Symantec had a lot of complains because all of a sudden they allowed customers to renew their Utilities subscriptions again, which is what I did when I deleted 360. Once I got this piece of $hit program out of my computer, I renewed my Utilities subscription and my computer has been running really great since then.
 
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:35 am

Kaspersky, I have been using it for like the past 5 months for my laptop. Haven't had a problem yet/

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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:55 am

Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 4):
I've used them all -except for that questionable Panda stuff- over the years, and was never fully satisfied until I set foot in the wonderful world of avast!. Hey, I just can't recommend it enough. And you can try it for a couple of months before any actual wallet damage takes place.

As a matter of fact, AVAST is free for home usage. All you need is registration.
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:55 am

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 19):
Free definition updates and free software updates, all year long. I've yet to have a virus infect my system. I tried it on a recommendation Kim Komando ( www.komando.com ) and have been very satisfied with the results. Usually her stuff is either a pay later trial or just not up to speed to what I like as a lot of her listeners are the average Joe user, but this software really does do it's job.

Thanks for the link. What I really want to know is why I can't get a station list without giving her my damned email address?!
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:22 am

I recommend AVG free. Had it on my computer for the last few years seems to work well.  Smile
 
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:30 am

Beside www.avast.at also www.antivir.de is quite good.
 
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:06 am

Buy a Mac......................  duck 
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:52 pm

Quoting Cumulus (Reply 28):
Buy a Mac......................

Or good anti virus software. It's that simple...
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:53 pm

Folks, let me make one point here. Antivirus software can do terrible stuff it if gets out of control on your computer.

If you are intent on evaluating competing antivirus products NEVER have two on board at one time. They'll get to fighting with each other and if this happens and you're lucky, you may get rid of the offender without having to do an XP reinstall, but you'll have a terrible day

The second thing to remember is, if you're downloading an antivirus product, for heaven's sake shut down any instant messaging program you may have going in the background before you start. One ill timed instant message can crash your computer and make it nearly impossible to salvage anything without a system reinstall.

I was downloading an antivirus program when somebody sent me a message on AOL instant messaging-which I have to have on my computer for one part time job I have. There was a huge system crash, and I could not navigate to system restore to get out of it. All I could do was shut down and restart and I'd get to the desktop and couldn't do anything thereafter.

So I was at the point of reinstalling the system software and losing two years worth of work, and i found out I couldn't even boot from the CD-that's how bad things were.

So I went to my old reliable standby IBM Aptiva in the basement and I proceeded to create a set of floppies to boot the system and reinstall XP. This took the better part of a couple hours to get it all together. When I returned, I noticed that I was able to navigate ever so slowly to system restore, and I was able to save two years worth of work.
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:15 pm

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 30):
I was downloading an antivirus program when somebody sent me a message on AOL instant messaging-which I have to have on my computer for one part time job I have. There was a huge system crash, and I could not navigate to system restore to get out of it. All I could do was shut down and restart and I'd get to the desktop and couldn't do anything thereafter.

So I was at the point of reinstalling the system software and losing two years worth of work, and i found out I couldn't even boot from the CD-that's how bad things were.

So I went to my old reliable standby IBM Aptiva in the basement and I proceeded to create a set of floppies to boot the system and reinstall XP. This took the better part of a couple hours to get it all together. When I returned, I noticed that I was able to navigate ever so slowly to system restore, and I was able to save two years worth of work.

Doug, how would reinstalling system software cause you to lose two years of work? Or do you believe you would have had to reformat? Additionally, recovering your data is very simple with an external hard drive connection and another computer, remove the affected hard drive, hook up to a second comp and move files. You don't even need the the external connection if you can loosen a few screws.(You should be backing up anyway) Did you boot into safe mode to try to get to system restore? If you were able to get to Desktop, you would have been able to boot into safe mode. And how did it all affect your BIOS, preventing booting from the CD?
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:14 pm

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 29):


Quoting Cumulus,reply=28:
Buy a Mac......................

Or good anti virus software. It's that simple...

No, not really. It would still add the chore (and often cost) of keeping that software up to date, having it run and consume resources, resolving issues and all around fighting with Windows.

Not an equal alternative, really.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 30):
So I was at the point of reinstalling the system software and losing two years worth of work

Not keeping timely backups is loudly screaming an invitation for disaster to strike you down - basically the digital equivalent of a "kick me!" sign stuck to your back. If your data is worth anything, back it up!!!

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 31):
I read some of the horror stories blamed on Window sometimes and I can only shake my head. its not the tools that create many of the problems, its the tool operators.

That is true and that is not true at the same time.

Yes, the first and best line of defense against problems is risk-aware and risk-avoiding behaviour of the user.

But no, that is not independent of the tools. The question whether or not the user will in real life take the precautions he should, does in fact depend heavily on the quality of the tools he's using.

Case in point: Time Machine, the new backup tool built into MacOS X Leopard.

It takes incremental backup from the domain of semi-obscure power-user tools to something anybody can use with trivial ease and so an unprecedented number of people probably will have proper backups and will know how to access them, even if their harddisk craps out on them (which it will eventually, if it's used long enough!).

Dougloid would clearly profit from better tools - there's a threshold in tools between "existing, but won't be used in practice" and "well-designed and so will be used".

Confuse, frustrate and intimidate users enough, and you will see any kinds of accidentally installed pieces of malware, lost documents and wasted time and effort on matters which have nothing to do with what you actually wanted to use the computer for.

Users who feel that they're not really in charge of the system they're using and who are groping around in the dark are the #1 threat to computer security right now (well, that and hormones, naturally! Big grin ). There is no reason to feel smug about how great you're mastering the tedium and frustration of your tools to get to where you wanted to go - it simply shouldn't be so complicated to use a computer.

And doesn't need to be, actually.
 
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:15 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 32):
No, not really. It would still add the chore (and often cost) of keeping that software up to date, having it run and consume resources, resolving issues and all around fighting with Windows.

And a Mac don't need that? Any maintenance ? Don't need to be serviced?
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:48 pm

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 33):
And a Mac don't need that? Any maintenance ? Don't need to be serviced?

Pretty much. It's a matter of experience that the time and effort spent on just keeping the computer viable is low or negligible on a Mac, especially in comparison to Windows. Support departments can usually be slashed to a fraction of their former size when users are switched from Windows to MacOS. Windows PCs definitely need competent support; Most Mac users can very well survive on their own, even if they've got better things to do than learning much about the internals.

Many Mac users often try to switch their friends and family members to Macs simply to reduce their own unwanted support workload. There are usually more pleasant things to do together than toiling away at a friend's or family member's screwed-up PC.

Windows isn't really designed to be understood by its users. MacOS is, to a large extent.

There may come the time when Mac users will need "security software" as well, but that time has not come yet. Which removes another waste of time, as long as the users keep their common sense and don't explicitly grant root privileges to dubious downloads from porn sites. But if they actually do that, no "security software" in the world could really stop them from voluntarily shooting their own feet off anyway...  mischievous 

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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:26 am

I was going to sing the praises of AVAST! but ever since this site changed hands I have been riddled with viruses and trojans that Avast alarms on but seems unable to stop.
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:01 am

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 35):
I was going to sing the praises of AVAST! but ever since this site changed hands I have been riddled with viruses and trojans that Avast alarms on but seems unable to stop.

I've yet to encounter anything like that, and I visit here more than daily (Avast! 4.7/Vista/IE 7.0.6).
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:54 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 32):
Dougloid would clearly profit from better tools - there's a threshold in tools between "existing, but won't be used in practice" and "well-designed and so will be used".

You're probably right there Klaus-if it was to be made easy I probably would back up more than I do, which is zero. I'm thinking a nice extra hard drive would be nice. There are some good deals on capacity right now, and I expect a few before Christmas sales.

But when people start talking about partitioning hard drives and NTFS vs FAT32, my eyes glaze over and I faint.
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:38 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 37):
You're probably right there Klaus-if it was to be made easy I probably would back up more than I do, which is zero. I'm thinking a nice extra hard drive would be nice. There are some good deals on capacity right now, and I expect a few before Christmas sales.

But when people start talking about partitioning hard drives and NTFS vs FAT32, my eyes glaze over and I faint.

That's exactly why MacOS X basically just asks you whether or not to initialize the disk and whether or not you want to use it for Time Machine.

The assumption is that people have other things on their minds and that that still shouldn't keep them from using a computer properly.
 
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:40 am

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 35):
to sing the praises of AVAST! but ever since this site changed hands I have been riddled with viruses and trojans that Avast alarms on but seems unable to stop.

a combination of avast.at and antivir.de plus frequent checks via ad.aware.se is a good way to keep the PC ok
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:11 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 38):
That's exactly why MacOS X basically just asks you whether or not to initialize the disk and whether or not you want to use it for Time Machine.

The assumption is that people have other things on their minds and that that still shouldn't keep them from using a computer properly.

Yeah....my Iowa State University surplus Dell 360 has the drives from my IBM Aptiva which originally came with W98SE. When I installed XP, I did an upgrade rather than a clean installation, which means that if I change the filing system to NTFS from FAT32 I probably wouldn't be able to do a system reinstall on a clean disk.

Now. If I didn't know EXACTLY what that passage meant, I'd probably faint too.

On the other hand I'm a cheap bastard, and the IBM and the Dell that followed became something of a project in cheap computing. If you want to operate in the Microsoft world it helps to think about workarounds. If you're OK with that, you can do a lot with a very little amount of cash.

The fact that I'm running a P-IV 2.8ghz processor, with 1gb memory installed and a 120gb HDD, and I did it for about $100 total expenditure tells you something too. The HDD in my backup and the DVD-R/RW drive in my primary machine were scrounged from a dead TiVO receiver...the CPU cost me $55 at ISU. The memory cost me $45 delivered.

As far as functionality, Windows is a lot better than it used to be. I started with W98SE and that was ok as long as you didn't make unreasonable demands...then it went into freakout mode. It was definitely not as nice as the system 7 installed on my Mac IIVX but it was usable. I can work pretty well with XP and I rarely find problems that can't be unscrambled with a little bit of common sense and thought.

And that's really the bottom line. If you're a hands on person the advantages for the average consumer of the Mac OS mean a lot less in real terms.
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:30 pm

Quoting Bok269 (Thread starter):
My Norton Anti-Virus expires in 7 days. I am wondering if I should renew or go with a different option due to the fact that Norton takes up a lot of memory. Any suggestions?

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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:43 am

I usually go here and buy whatever is currently free after rebate. I've used Norton, McAfee and Kaspersky and haven't notice much difference, although each has its quirks. I'm currently running Kaspersky on my newer Win XP machine, where it performs flawlessly. Oddly enough, however, I am unable to use Kaspersky on my daughter's older WinXP box as it conflicts with something (I've never been able to figure out what) and crashes the computer soon after it boots up.

I hate having to buy and install anti virus software every year, but it's cheaper to buy new than it is to renew your subscription (how I miss the days when Norton charged $2.50/year to renew -- sigh).
 
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Wed Nov 07, 2007 3:05 pm

I used Norton on my home PC and got rid of it because it was a system hog.

I installed Zone Alarm which worked well up until they added the Kaspersky component, now it's a piece of ****

I have McAfee on my laptop which works well.
 
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Wed Nov 07, 2007 3:28 pm

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 34):
to sing the praises of AVAST!

it may be necessary to call up a "Manual" internet-update. Did this right today, and it became better immediately. The automatic one for a few days did not work, so I tried it that way.
 
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:29 pm

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 39):
And that's really the bottom line. If you're a hands on person the advantages for the average consumer of the Mac OS mean a lot less in real terms.

That can be true only if
- your time isn't worth anything
- you'll never have a full failure losing your data which you haven't backed up
- you're ignoring the availability of used Macs
 
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:08 am

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 42):



Quoting Klaus (Reply 44):
That can be true only if
- your time isn't worth anything
- you'll never have a full failure losing your data which you haven't backed up
- you're ignoring the availability of used Macs

I've been fascinated with electromechanical stuff ever since I was a kid, and I made my living from understanding such things for quite a while. Learning how to fix stuff is never wasted time, it saves space in the landfill and lightens my carbon footprint, and you've got a lot of nerve saying such a thing.

Fact is, my first system reinstall was on my Mac IIVX...first memory upgrade, and first hard drive upgrade too, to correct its inadequacies. So I cut my teeth poking around inside it because to understand what makes things tick liberates one from the consumer economy. I do this for the same reason I drive a 20 year old truck that I know every part in. It's called Revolutionary Shopping and it's part of my personal statement to the likes of Gates and Walmart that I can do a lot with a little.

Backing up data or the lack thereof is a personal failing which I am going to remedy when the right priced hard drive comes my way. Has absolutely nothing to do with the platform I use.

Mac users poll: How many of you routinely back up anything? Truth time....we'll see, Klaus.

There are plenty of used G3 and G4 Powermacs at ISU Surplus and nobody wants them, even with CPUs as low as $20 last week. Why? They have trouble communicating in a language the rest of the world understands unless you've got money to burn, and that's why most colleges and universities have dumped them, even though Apple at one time back arount 12 or 13 years ago owned the educational market. Everything about them costs more money, and all the Powermacs Drake bought-a forty footer full of them-are sitting in the basement of the law school. Dell is on every desktop. That's just the way it is, old boy.

I'm doing more with less as a personal statement about the world I want to live in, and that's something Mac snobs like yourself can't understand. You're a Puritan, really. That's a guy who has the sneaking suspicion that somebody, somewhere, may be happy and doing fine without them.

Cheerio.
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:44 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 45):
I'm doing more with less as a personal statement about the world I want to live in, and that's something Mac snobs like yourself can't understand.

Hey now, Im a mac user....how do you know that Im a snob?? Whatever your definition of that is. Thanks for the generalization.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 45):
That's a guy who has the sneaking suspicion that somebody, somewhere, may be happy and doing fine without them.

Im doing just fine without my old POS toshiba too.
 
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:22 pm

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 45):
Mac users poll: How many of you routinely back up anything? Truth time....we'll see, Klaus.

On the hour, every hour, every day. Time Machine is truly brilliant. Before that; everything, once a week.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 45):
I'm doing more with less as a personal statement about the world I want to live in, and that's something Mac snobs like yourself can't understand. You're a Puritan, really.

Do you still use a slide rule and file-o-fax as well, as a "personal statement"?

Either way, you need to lay off the general insults. How do you know that, as a Mac user, I'm a snob and a puritan?
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:57 pm

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 47):
How do you know that, as a Mac user, I'm a snob and a puritan?

He has a point. Usually, a snob would make OTHER people use the computer for him/her.
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RE: Anti-Virus Advice

Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:17 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 48):
He has a point. Usually, a snob would make OTHER people use the computer for him/her.

Who on the thread has claimed they make someone else use the computer for them?
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