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Hollywood Writers Launch Strike

Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:24 pm

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1194...62.html?mod=us_business_whats_news

"LOS ANGELES – Film and TV writers are set to launch their first strike in nearly 20 years following the breakdown of last-minute talks to stave off a walkout.

After meeting for nearly twelve hours in Los Angeles Sunday, talks between the union representing the writers and the team that negotiates on behalf of the studios broke down late Sunday night.
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"The strike will be felt most immediately in the world of television, where talk shows like "Late Night with David Letterman" and "The Tonight Show Starring Jay Leno" are set to immediately go into reruns. Next to be affected would be production of sitcoms and soap operas, followed by dramas.

On the film side, the impact of a strike would not be felt for months, but the strike could halt production for films that are slated to be release later in 2008.
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Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:06 pm

I like T.V. as much as the next guy, but I'd be hard pressed to find something I care about less than a strike in Hollywood...especially by the writers.
 
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Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:14 pm

I think it's time for a song:

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Hollywood Writers Launch Strike

Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:23 pm

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 2):
It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)

My TV remains unplugged so I don't think it'll affect me much Silly
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Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:28 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Thread starter):
Film and TV writers are set to launch their first strike in nearly 20 years following the breakdown of last-minute talks to stave off a walkout.

Its about time they went on strike. The working conditions and pay in that industry are terrible. We need to support our brothers who write for "Cave Man"

As for its effect on me.... I couldn't care less.
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Hollywood Writers Launch Strike

Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:36 pm

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 4):
The working conditions and pay in that industry are terrible

Are they really?
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Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:09 pm

A "writers" strike will basically be career suicide for anyone who participates. Aren't would-be writers basically dime-a-dozen? Doesn't Hollywierd not only endlessly regurgitate old story lines but also have warehouses filled with unused scripts?

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RE: Hollywood Writers To Launch Strike

Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:16 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Thread starter):
reruns

 mischievous  Muuahahahahahahaha - even more than Tivo, reruns are the bane of the writers guild. The show will still go on (again and again . . . ).

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 2):
I think it's time for a song:

It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)

 laughing 

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 4):
The working conditions and pay in that industry are terrible

Are they really?

Define terrible. How relative is that? They're entitled to bother producers for only 2 Mocha's per day? They're not allowed to sit in a chair next to the director? They get bothered by technical crews to rewrite material to suit their lighting and sound effects? They can't afford to live in Santa Monica, so they reside in Burbank? Terrible? Cue the violins.
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RE: Hollywood Writers To Launch Strike

Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:18 pm

Quoting Matt D (Reply 6):
Doesn't Hollywierd not only endlessly regurgitate old story lines but also have warehouses filled with unused scripts?

I thought every waiter in Hollywood had a script...and given the proverb that an infinite number of monkeys in an infinite amount of time will reproduce all of Shakespeare's works, it seems like Hollywood could find replacements pretty quickly no? I don't understand who has the leverage here.
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RE: Hollywood Writers Launch Strike

Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:23 pm

Quoting KROC (Reply 1):
, but I'd be hard pressed to find something I care about less than a strike in Hollywood...especially by the writers.

We agree on something..

Well, there is some good funny shows on BBC America, live sports don't need writers, history, discover, Law and Order reruns on TNT, and USA I'll be okay.
 
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Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:27 pm

IIRC, the guild went on strike and made a mess of my ST:TNG season 2....hmmm...

As long as it doesn't touch BSG I'm happy.
 
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Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:38 pm

I saw somewhere, that all the shows for this season have already been filmed. The only shows that will be effected are the late night and talk shows along with the soaps (god forbid)
 
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RE: Hollywood Writers Launch Strike

Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:42 pm

Conan touched on this on Friday's show, kinda satirizing it. Bummer if they go into re-runs though. Letterman/Conan et al already take enough time off as it is.
 
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RE: Hollywood Writers Launch Strike

Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:23 pm

Quoting AirCop (Reply 11):
The only shows that will be effected are the late night and talk shows along with the soaps (god forbid)

Two of my least favorite things in the world! Well with the exception of Passions, only because it's so ri-gawd-dam-diculous.
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RE: Hollywood Writers Launch Strike

Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:22 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Thread starter):
LOS ANGELES – Film and TV writers are set to launch their first strike in nearly 20 years following the breakdown of last-minute talks to stave off a walkout.

....and in other news, a tree fell in the woods and no one heard it....


This self-importance of these Hollywood people crack me up. Yawn.
 
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RE: Hollywood Writers Launch Strike

Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:11 pm

Quoting Slider (Reply 14):
This self-importance of these Hollywood people crack me up

I'd say that about any union but then again I've never met a union I liked, but I truly don't know anything about the writers' strike. It seems to me that the strike will cost the writers more than they can ever hope to gain, but again, that seems to be the case of 100% of all strikes.
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Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:08 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 4):
As for its effect on me.... I couldn't care less.

I'd feel the same if Colbert and The Daily Show weren't directly effected. While reruns won't be too bad to watch, it was always nice anticipating how they'd report on a particular current event. Bush is probably happy knowing he can give a speech and sound like a total loon without getting hammered by the late night guys.
 
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RE: Hollywood Writers Launch Strike

Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:47 am

Quoting Matt D (Reply 6):
Aren't would-be writers basically dime-a-dozen?

Not ones with talent.

Quoting Matt D (Reply 6):
A "writers" strike will basically be career suicide for anyone who participates.

Actually, no. The writers have a lot of clout in the industry, as evidenced by what happened in 1988. The producers had not anticipated a possible strike until April, which is why they are scrambling now.
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Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:10 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
The producers had not anticipated a possible strike until April, which is why they are scrambling now.

I don't think so. I think they're somewhat depending on the public's support and I don't see this resonating with the general public. Other than the late night talk shows which have gone into rerun mode (and hopefully a death spiral in my opinion) sitcoms/dramas won't notice any impact for weeks and the film industry won't be affected for a year as studios have been stockpiling scripts. Add in the fact that the public will watch any sh!tty game show (Deal or No Deal) and an endless parade of crap reality shows and I'm not convinced they have much leverage here. I did read "Two and a Half Men" had to suspend production so cheers to that .

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Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:22 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 18):
sitcoms/dramas won't notice any impact for weeks and the film industry won't be affected for a year as studios have been stockpiling scripts.

Actually, a lot of daytime TV is facing an issue right away, because of the hectic schedule involved and the inability to stockpile. Further, the studios really have not stockpiled much at all because they weren't planning on a possible strike until April, like I mentioned before. Further, it appears that some of the Teamsters are planning on honoring the picket lines, which could create havoc as well.
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RE: Hollywood Writers Launch Strike

Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:33 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
Further, the studios really have not stockpiled much at all because they weren't planning on a possible strike until April

That's pretty much the opposite of what's being reported...
"Studios Well Stocked for Strike"
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117975369.html?categoryid=1066&cs=1
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Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:32 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 20):

That's pretty much the opposite of what's being reported...

First, it appears to be a bit of a PR puff piece for the studios, but you also have to look deeper in there. There may well be a slow down in work as studios invoke force majeure clauses and terminate production deals for films in as little as a month.

Take a look at this more thorough evaluation of the situation

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/20/arts/television/20cons.htm
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RE: Hollywood Writers Launch Strike

Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:04 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 15):
It seems to me that the strike will cost the writers more than they can ever hope to gain

That isn't what happened in the last Writers strike. I was there, and we didn't work for the period, but we came out of it with a much better contract. Much better.

And even with that better contract, the studios have still profited handsomely from the new ancillary revenues.

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RE: Hollywood Writers Launch Strike

Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:01 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
First, it appears to be a bit of a PR puff piece for the studios

WSJ, CNN, and EW are reporting the same thing. Plus the NYT article says the same thing:

"Meanwhile, moviegoers would not feel any immediate impact, because studios work a year or more in advance and have been stockpiling scripts to shoot in case writers walk the picket line."

Studios will eventually be affected but not any time soon.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 22):
That isn't what happened in the last Writers strike.

The amount of material on tv that requires writers has fallen from 80-something percent down to the 60s apparently, and it seems like the public's appetite for reality crap is insatiable.

"“The View,” which uses union writers, would be thrown into more chaos than normal"

Wait remind me why this strike shouldn't go on forever Silly?
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RE: Hollywood Writers Launch Strike

Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:09 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
Are they really?

I make $7.50/hr, and only work 15 hours a week. I can barely pay my car note, I am unable to live in California...
Don't preach to me about terrible. These stupid idiots can strike for all I care. It is their own funeral. Let them deliver pizzas for a living to try to make ends meet, and they'll realize just how good they had it.
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Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:23 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 23):
The amount of material on tv that requires writers has fallen from 80-something percent down to the 60s apparently, and it seems like the public's appetite for reality crap is insatiable.

Um - a somewhat seperate issue?

What the writers gained on the previous strike was about ancillary revenue. The affect on production costs was minor.

Part of the reason for this strike is that - then - no one knew how strong the new ancillary revenues would prove to be, and on that front the studios won - hands down.

As you correctly state, the public's appetite for reality shows (I paraphrase) is insatiable. But that would still be true if the writers gave their services for free.

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RE: Hollywood Writers Launch Strike

Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:49 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 25):
Um - a somewhat seperate issue?

If the public substitutes reality TV for all or even some scripted shows during, and particularly after, the strike, it would be a very real problem for writers no? All they would hope to have would be ancillary revenues.
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Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:49 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 26):
All they would hope to have would be ancillary revenues.

You only get the ancillary revenues if the show is made in the first place.

But the decline in studio (written) production began yonks ago - when I was still there and the reality shows were in the ascendency.

Again, it had very little to do with the what the writers were paid. Many reality shows do have writers (or - constructionists  Smile ) just not for dialogue. What they don't have are actors and sets, the costs associated with production.

Overhead is still charged, but if you don't have a casting department (because you don't have actors) or a construction department, say, the actual overhead is reduced, to the studio if not the show.

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Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:09 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 27):
You only get the ancillary revenues if the show is made in the first place.

No I was just joking that if during the strike people switch to reality and non scripted shows, all the writers will have to live off would be ancillary revenues from stuff that's already been created.
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Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:14 pm

If David Letterman was worth his salary he wouldn't need writers.

Maybe now we will get some decent stuff wrtitten for films.
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Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:27 pm

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 29):
If David Letterman was worth his salary he wouldn't need writers.

Damn right!!  checkmark   checkmark   checkmark 

It is amazing what happens to the actors when someone takes away their script.
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Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:59 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 30):
It is amazing what happens to the actors when someone takes away their script.

First, I hope you're not inferring that David Letterman is an actor. Also, If I understand you correctly, you believe all actors do is simply read from a script. You couldn't be further from the truth.
 
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Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:18 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 4):
The working conditions and pay in that industry are terrible

Are they really?

I have been in Hollywood and seen first hand the appalling conditions the writers have to work in.

Some writers are forced to write poolside with NO poolside drink service.
Some of the pools are not even heated!!!
Some writers make such poor wages that they can only afford to buy 1 Ferrari per year.
There have been times that writers have been forced to work more then 20 hours a week!!!

The list goes on and on. It breaks my heart to think of it.
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Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:37 pm

The key issues for the union writers is payment for media product later put on DVD's and the internet, something not well or at all covered by the recently expired contract. There has been a shift and significant declines in of the numbers of viewers from initial network viewing of many programs and rising income from DVD's and newer technologies.
Many are not optimistic about this strike ending soon. Some believe that the media companies want to cripple or kill off the unions so they can keep more income on successful shows (and to offset the majority of programs that lose money), to use as a line for negotiation with the actors and other trade unions to cut their payment to the benefit of corpoartions and while others say the writers are too greedy. Most writers are middle class, not rich and live in one of the highest cost of living areas in the USA and believe they should get a piece of the income for DVD's and other media.
 
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RE: Hollywood Writers Launch Strike

Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:44 pm

Great, so when my B6 flight out of JFK is delayed tonight, I'll have to watch a rerun of Colbert/Daily Show. I wonder if the compensation I get from jetBlue for that will be $15 or $25?
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Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:13 pm

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 32):
I have been in Hollywood and seen first hand the appalling conditions the writers have to work in.

I don't know which writers you have supposedly seen "first hand" but I have friends who wrote for West Wing and who currently write for ER and their offices are quite small. West Wing writers' offices were actually in trailers on the WB lot. Also, writer's responsibilities don't end just because the script is finished. They're often expected to be on the set when different scenes are shot and quite often that translates to a writer working 14-18 hour days. While it's true they go on hiatus for 3 months, that period of time is without pay and benefits.

Perhaps you were referring to producers or directors.
 
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Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:26 am

Quoting KROC (Reply 1):
I like T.V. as much as the next guy, but I'd be hard pressed to find something I care about less than a strike in Hollywood...especially by the writers.

 thumbsup 

Quoting Slider (Reply 14):
....and in other news, a tree fell in the woods and no one heard it....

This self-importance of these Hollywood people crack me up. Yawn.

I doubt the majority of Americans know about - or even care - about this non-event.

I'd like to see someone make the case for the poor oppressed writers - with a straight face, of course.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
Actually, a lot of daytime TV is facing an issue right away, because of the hectic schedule involved and the inability to stockpile.

Wow. Quick, someone ask the President to declare a national emergency!  sarcastic 
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Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:51 am

Anyway, the Show Runners (writer/producers) have joined the picket lines. That halts a lot of shows that are currently in production.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 36):

Wow. Quick, someone ask the President to declare a national emergency!

Hey, people like their TV.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 36):

I doubt the majority of Americans know about - or even care - about this non-event.

I think they will care when the shows they have grown attached to suddenly don't have new episodes.

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 29):
If David Letterman was worth his salary he wouldn't need writers.

Letterman writes a fair bit of his own material, but it is very difficult for one person to script a show and keep topical.
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Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:53 am

Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Reply 34):
Great, so when my B6 flight out of JFK is delayed tonight, I'll have to watch a rerun of Colbert/Daily Show. I wonder if the compensation I get from jetBlue for that will be $15 or $25?

It will be nothing. You can't be serious. If you don't like what's offered don't watch it. Compensation...LOL! you got to be kidding!
 
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Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:00 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 37):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 36):
Wow. Quick, someone ask the President to declare a national emergency!
Hey, people like their TV.

Yes, i can see it now. Millions of Americans joining the oppressed, downtrodden Hollywood writers on the picket line in their quest for justice.  rotfl 

Quoting N1120A (Reply 37):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 36):
I doubt the majority of Americans know about - or even care - about this non-event.

I think they will care when the shows they have grown attached to suddenly don't have new episodes.

I wonder if they will even notice, much less care. I haven't noticed any huge outcry over the fact that the rerun season has gradually grown to dwarf the "first run" season, have you?

And do really think the average TV viewer identifies with the "plight" of a Hollywood writer?
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Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:10 am

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 38):
It will be nothing. You can't be serious. If you don't like what's offered don't watch it. Compensation...LOL! you got to be kidding!

I think you'll find he was  Wink
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Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:32 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 36):
I doubt the majority of Americans know about - or even care - about this non-event.

I bet you more Americans will care about this than Iraq, Darfur, subprime loans, the declining dollar, the farm subsidy bill, and Hillary Clinton combined, when they can't watch their shitty shows.
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RE: Hollywood Writers Launch Strike

Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:08 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 36):
I'd like to see someone make the case for the poor oppressed writers - with a straight face, of course.

I've tried making the case, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of point, since (a) no one seems to care what it is really about and (b) no writers are claiming they are "oppressed".

???

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 41):
when they can't watch their shitty shows.

Or even their good ones.

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RE: Hollywood Writers Launch Strike

Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:21 pm

Seems a lot of actors aren't crossing the picket lines...

Some shows that won't be on after this week (there are many more, I read this on MSNBC):

The Office
Desperate Housewives
Carpoolers
Til Death

And 24 season 7 was cancelled due to the strike.
 
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RE: Hollywood Writers Launch Strike

Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:49 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 36):
Wow. Quick, someone ask the President to declare a national emergency!

 rotfl 

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 39):
. Millions of Americans joining the oppressed, downtrodden Hollywood writers on the picket line in their quest for justice

 rotfl 

Can some give me a link to see what these writers are demanding and how their working conditions are? I saw a bunch of them picketing in front of Paramount today.
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