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F1: Off Season Thread 2

Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:31 pm

As the F1 thread 1 reached to 220replies I thought it would be better to do a second part.

Last thing from the other thread was that Todt is going to leave Ferrari. So lets continue here.

Hope we will have much and interesting stuff to talk about.

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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:37 pm

Here is a link to the take over by Domenicali who replace Todt.


http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071112130033.shtml

I will really miss Todt so much. Really sad that he leave Ferrari.
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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:44 pm

Ross Brawn goes to Honda. Very interesting news. Could Alonso join him??

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63900

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071112085321.shtml

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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:49 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 1):

I will really miss Todt so much. Really sad that he leave Ferrari.

Did he ever do interviews on your race build ups? he's only ever had a few words with us.. not really much to miss.

He's not leaving Ferrari, hes going up in the team.

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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:42 pm

Exactly, he's not being sacked and Ferrari aren't being destabilized and Massa being fired/Alonso replacing him is not likely at all as some seem to think. They'll be just as good or better next year, and unless Massa drives poorly next season or the year after that he will keep his seat until his contract expires in 2010. Think about it... Alonso is a big name, but Ferrari don't need a big name to have recognition, they have more than enough of that because of their legacy. He is an excellent driver, but Massa is as well, and Massa's contract is certainly for MUCH less money than Fernando would demand. Alonso also proved in the last season that he is not comfortable at all being an equal number 1 or a number 2 driver on any team, while Ferrari currently have a pair of drivers that get along very well and work together to develop the car and for the championship. Basically, by hiring Fernando, Ferrari would be paying ALOT (not only Alonso's salary, but buying Felipe out of his contract) for a driver that is probably not any faster than Felipe and who very well could destabilize the team. It would be an utterly stupid move, and I think their managment is smart enough to realize that.

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Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:30 am

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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:54 am



Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 3):
He's not leaving Ferrari, hes going up in the team.

Which is odd cause his relationship with Luca was apparently bad.
 
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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:10 am



Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 3):
He's not leaving Ferrari, hes going up in the team.

Not so sure about that..

From previous thread...

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 218):
Why do you think Ferrari have been destabilized? Do you know the inner workings of the team?

-The rushed nature of the announcement as it came clear that Ross Brawn was signing with Honda
-The promotion of a relatively inexperienced person to such a key role, he is Italian though and after the events of the last year or so that could be an important signal
-No clear indication of Jean Todt's future
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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:25 pm

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Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:49 pm

This brings back so much nostalgia for me-
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:50 pm



Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 9):
This brings back so much nostalgia for me-

Same here. Really great to see him back on the track.
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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:42 pm



Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 213):
Brawn must be kicking himself, A few months ago he mentioned he would go back to Ferrari if Todt wasn't there anymore

But I believe the situation is the other way round. Ferrari only named Todt's replacement once Brawn made his Honda decision, i.e. once they knew Brawn wasn't interested in coming back, they moved Domenicali in to Todt's position.

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 4):
Exactly, he's not being sacked

In the big bad world of corporate politics, sometimes folks are promoted "out of harm's way". Todt was really struggling after failing to bring a title home to Ferrari in 2005 and 2006. Well, the FIA helped out on one and McLaren's unwillingness to give one of their drivers preference gave him the other. It would make Ferrari look churlish if they'd sacked him after "winning" both titles.  wink 

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Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:28 pm

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/testresults.php?testID=791

He's still got it  Wink Just a few tenths shy of the pole time from this past year's race in Barcelona, and ahead of every other driver at the test. I really, really, really miss watching him race. So good to see that red helmet back behind the wheel.
 
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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:43 pm



Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 12):

Really great job my Schumacher.

Noticed that Vettel is faster than Bourdais. Shouldn't Bourdais be faster???
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Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:53 pm



Quoting B747forever (Reply 13):
Noticed that Vettel is faster than Bourdais. Shouldn't Bourdais be faster???

Vettel does have alot more experience in the car than Bourdais, so he'll probably catch up as he has more seat time. Funny that they have the same first name, though Vettel has an a where Bourdais has an e.
 
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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:54 pm



Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 14):
Vettel does have alot more experience in the car than Bourdais, so he'll probably catch up as he has more seat time.

Okey, I see.
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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:42 am

Great to see Schumi in a Ferrari again  cloudnine 

BTW McLaren's appeal has been shifted to London due to the transport strike in Paris.

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071113142316.shtml

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 7):
The rushed nature of the announcement as it came clear that Ross Brawn was signing with Honda
-The promotion of a relatively inexperienced person to such a key role, he is Italian though and after the events of the last year or so that could be an important signal
-No clear indication of Jean Todt's future

Well, even if they are destabilized, they have a few months to stabilize before Melbourne. Also..with Schumi's input the new car may be even better...we'll just have to see what happens next season.
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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:02 am



Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 16):
Also..with Schumi's input the new car may be even better...we'll just have to see what happens next season.

See I don't know. When the 2007s critical dimensions were defined, Schumacher hadn't retired and Ross Brawn hadn't gone on sabbatical. So the car was probably designed with Schumacher in mind and heavily influenced by Brawn. Both are gone. 2008 will be the real start of the era of change at Ferrari, not 2007 like everyone predicted.
 
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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:00 am



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 11):
In the big bad world of corporate politics, sometimes folks are promoted "out of harm's way".

Absolutely. there are plenty of examples of people being moved upwards into meaningless jobs rather than go through the unpopular, or expensive, or litigatious moves of sacking someone. Look at those footbal managers that have become "directors of football" in the past.....

Todt has certainly been moved "upwards" to a position of less influence within Ferrari - something the comany has long done with its complex political games and various factions within.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 16):
Also..with Schumi's input the new car may be even better...we'll just have to see what happens next season.

Well Kimi is generally regarded as a rubbish tester, and althoguh Massa is willing, it still makes sense to get somebody like Schumi with all his experience and enjoyment of testing to provide some input and benchmarking if he is available.
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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:41 pm

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071114092512.shtml

Bernie says he'll quit if McLaren win their appeal....What an idiot.


I honestly hope that McLaren win the appeal...but don't win the WDC....ie Fine BMW and Williams...or dock them constructor points or something....
 
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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:49 pm



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 19):
Bernie says he'll quit if McLaren win their appeal....What an idiot.

We live in hope!
I thought McLaren should win their appeal merely because it was the right thing... now we have a whole new reason!!
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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:26 pm



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 20):
now we have a whole new reason!!

And that reason is bigger then any floorpanel, incorrect fule temp, or whatever else there might be coming.


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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:54 pm

But if BMW and Williams are guilty will Hamilton win the WDC???
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:48 pm



Quoting B747forever (Reply 22):
But if BMW and Williams are guilty will Hamilton win the WDC???

It all depends on the decision taken by the FIA, ie if they only fine Williams and BMW or withdraw some constructor points then not, if they penalize the drivers then I am afraid the answer will be yes...

The FIA should apply the same rule that they gave to McLaren, (punish the constructor not the drivers)

On other things, I am soooooo happy to see Schuey back in the Ferrari, so gutted I could not go to the test sessions here in Circuit de Catalunya.... do they had to test Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.... all the days of which I am working?? damn!!

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Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:05 pm



Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 23):
The FIA should apply the same rule that they gave to McLaren, (punish the constructor not the drivers)

I agree. They should just remove the WCC points.

But didnt McLaren and Hamilton say that they dont wan to take the title from Kimi???
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Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:10 pm



Quoting B747forever (Reply 24):
But didnt McLaren and Hamilton say that they dont wan to take the title from Kimi???

They both, as far as I remember, said that they don't want to win the title in the court, but on the track.
So lets say that even if Mclaren would win this, would Hamilton accept the title!?


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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:40 pm

Schumi went out on top, his second test yesterday ended with him lapping in the 1:21.4 range and beating Paffett and de la Rosa in the Mclarens, and Massa in the 2nd Ferrari. I have a feeling he'll catch the bug from this test and the realization that he hasn't lost any of his quickness, and he'll begin to test more frequently at Fiorano. That can only be a great thing for Ferrari, as his technical ability is probably unmatched among the current crop of drivers. Fantasy time- The FIA allows teams to run 3 cars, and Ferrari brings Schumacher back for 2 or 3 "guest" races each year. Wouldn't that be fantastic?
 
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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:15 pm



Quoting Sudden (Reply 25):
would Hamilton accept the title!?

He would accept it but I think that he wont dare to take it because it would be really bad PR for him.
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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:31 pm



Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 26):
Wouldn't that be fantastic?

No. Bringing back Mika Hakkinen for a few races a year would be fantastic.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 27):

He would accept it but I think that he wont dare to take it because it would be really bad PR for him.

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Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:58 pm



Quoting BA757 (Reply 28):
No. Bringing back Mika Hakkinen for a few races a year would be fantastic.

Matter of opinion, obviously, but based on Mika's test in the Mclaren a couple years ago I'd say he wouldn't be nearly as quick as he once was, the cars have progressed far beyond what they were in 2001. On a related note, it looks like Mika is officially retiring from all racing, now that he has left the Mercedes DTM team. I know he won a race at Spa in DTM a couple years ago, did he ever win any others? It's awfully hard to follow that series in the US.
 
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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:14 am



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 19):
Bernie says he'll quit if McLaren win their appeal....What an idiot.

Oh please. Please win the appeal! crossfingers 
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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:22 am



Quoting B747forever (Reply 22):
But if BMW and Williams are guilty will Hamilton win the WDC???

It depends which result the FIA think will swell their coffers the most. duck 

Seriously, I don't think the FIA will take the title away from Raikkonen by omitting the drivers of the offending teams and awarding the points to Hamilton. However, if they fail to punish the teams, it really makes a mockery of the rules (not that they've never been made a mockery of before).

Quoting Sudden (Reply 25):
So lets say that even if Mclaren would win this, would Hamilton accept the title!?

If it did happen, I don't see he would have any choice. The official FIA record would show that Hamilton scored the most points, thus he would be champion. If he's being honest in what he says, the FIA would make him very uncomfortable by "thrusting" the title upon him. All he'd be able to do is say he's unhappy to have won the title in the courts and not on the track - you know, just like Ferrari did with the Constructors' title.
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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:57 pm

Result from test in Barcelona 15/11/07:


http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071116091647.shtml

I am really surprised by Vettel. He is really fast.
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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:24 pm



Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 26):
Schumi went out on top

Pretty embarrasing for the other drivers I would say. He has not been driving for a year, and just comes back and show the others how it should be done. Big grin


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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:21 pm

Massa doesn't like the TC ban:


http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071116142823.shtml


Predicts that it will be more accidents in wet races without the TC.
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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:34 pm



Quoting B747forever (Reply 35):
Massa doesn't like the TC ban:

tough shit. It will sort out the men fro the boys. Any young fool can drive flat out and let the TC get them out of trouble. It will show who the more skilled drivers are for sure. It will certainly be interesting to see if some of the young newcomers find it harder now as it wil lbe harder for them to drive flat out without making mistakes as it was for others over the last years.

Ultimately the best drivers will cope without it just fine. I don;t think those remarks will do him any favours - Kimi would just get on with driving the car - TC or not I suspect.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 35):
Predicts that it will be more accidents in wet races without the TC.

Well maybe he needs to drive with more smoothness in the rain like Button or Fisi or Rubens. At least it measn the real skilled wet weather drivers will be able to compete in wet races where their car would otherwise not be competitive in the dry.

Actually many people say that Button and his smooth style will be a real beneficiary from the removal of traction control.
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Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:39 pm



Quoting Cornish (Reply 36):
Actually many people say that Button and his smooth style will be a real beneficiary from the removal of traction control.

We will see what happens with Button, maybe he will be on the podium next season when the TC is gone???
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Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:43 pm



Quoting B747forever (Reply 37):
We will see what happens with Button, maybe he will be on the podium next season when the TC is gone???

I doubt it - Honda have too much work to do before they get there. But he should be in contention for points finishes more regularly. But in the midst of Honda's truly awful season - some of Buttons drives in the rain were missed in that shockingly bad car. He was fantastic in China, his laps in the rain in Germany were truly top drawer too. Problem was nobody noticed.
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Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:51 pm



Quoting B747forever (Reply 30):
India getting a F1 track!!!

Great... we're never getting a race back in the States...no I won't drop this complaint  Wink

Doornbos made is last place "redebut." Seriously Red Bull, let him just focus on spanking Ghram Rahal back in Champ Car...and let Champ Car focus on joining the IRL and spanking NASCAR.
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:55 pm



Quoting Cornish (Reply 38):
Honda have too much work to do before they get there.

That is true. But if Honda give a great car to Button next season when the TC will be removed I think we can see him score much more points than this season.
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Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:06 pm



Quoting B747forever (Reply 40):
That is true. But if Honda give a great car to Button next season when the TC will be removed I think we can see him score much more points than this season.

I don't honestly think that the removal of traction control will make that much difference to the overall results in almost all cases except wet races. We'll see some drivers throw their cars of the roads a bit more - perhaps those with more aggressive driving styles - but it won't make any fundamental difference to which cars are faster than others.

I'd love to see Honda make up ground with the other teams, but the problem is that the new car has been developed during this season, with the associated problems with their new wind tunnwel which contributed heavily into making this season's car asuch a dog. It will be very hard for them to become immediately compeitive next season. I would be surprised if they ar ein the early part of the season, but as the season goes on they should be oving back up the grid. 2008 wil lbe a challenge for them again - 2009 is the real target for them to start looking really competitive again.
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Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:16 pm



Quoting Cornish (Reply 36):
Quoting B747forever (Reply 35):
Massa doesn't like the TC ban:

tough shit.

Indeed tough shit. Kimi says he is looking forward to it as it more comes down to driverskills as the season gets going.

Maybe Hamilton will be the bigger winner of this ban. He's been in F1 for a year, and would probably adjust faster then other guys to a none TC car.

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Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:19 pm



Quoting Sudden (Reply 42):
and would probably adjust faster then other guys to a none TC car.

Dont think so. Alonso, Kimi and all other experienced drivers shouldn't have any big problems to adjust to a non TC drive. Maybe it will be tougher for them to change their driving, but it will not be a big problem.
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Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:28 pm



Quoting B747forever (Reply 43):
Dont think so. Alonso, Kimi and all other experienced drivers shouldn't have any big problems to adjust to a non TC drive.

Well we'll have to wait and see. Do remember the big problems that in particular Kimi, Alonso, and Kubica had in adapting to the new tyres this season. all three of them found it didn't suit their driving styles and it has a lot to do with why they were overshadowed by their team mates in the earlier part of the season. Once they had adapted accordingly to the tyres and changed their drvinig styles accordingly, they were much more compeititve against their team mates.
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Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:54 pm



Quoting B747forever (Reply 35):
Predicts that it will be more accidents in wet races without the TC.

If the drivers in the 80s in their turbocharged 1000hp monsters with much less advanced tire technology could handle the on/off turbo lag of those things in the wet, then the drivers today can handle comparatively linear 750hp V8 powerbands coupled with the infinitely grippier wet weather tires.
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:54 pm

FIA site is saying the appeal was 'inadmissible'.


finally the drama(except for the renault thing) is over for this season.
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:09 pm



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 19):
Bernie says he'll quit if McLaren win their appeal....What an idiot.

Now that McLaren lost it, I guess he'll stay. I do agree that Bernie is an idiot, however he should have quit a long time ago.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 35):
Massa doesn't like the TC ban

Boohoo. That's why they have Michael Schumacher testing, to help the drivers get used to driving without traction control. Schumacher is old school, so he knows a few more things on driving without technical aids such as TC.

And in other news: http://www.focus.de/sport/formel1/gl...umi-ii-bei-toyota_spid_582667.html (German only)

GP2 champion Timo Glock is going to Toyota and gets a three year contract. He'll be replacing Ralf Schumacher, who's contract expired.
 
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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:11 pm

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=41307

I am glad Kimi got to keep his title as it was the correct thing and I am glad Hamilton was not rised to Championship winner. However...

I wish the BMW and Williams team would get some kind of punishment in terms of constructor points or fine. What is the point of even measuring the temperature of fuel during races if nothing happens when the limits of fuel temperatures are broken by a team? Might as well not bother with temperature probes! Waste of time, and money.
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RE: F1: Off Season Thread 2

Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:47 pm

Good job FIA. Glad to see Kimi retain the title. And Hamiltion is also saying he's happy that Kimi kept the title. What I don't understand is this statement he made "That was not the purpose of the team’s appeal."

So what was the reason for the appeal then? How else could McLaren benefit from BMW and Williams being punished?

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=41308
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