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Federal Supermax Prisons

Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:12 am

Well, after watching "Breach" (about FBI employee, who is a convicted spy, now at ADX Florence, supermax), I started reading up on Supermax prisons.

Wiki article
ADX_Florence" target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADX_Florence

60 Minutes story on it
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...l?source=RSSattr=60Minutes_3357727

What do you think of them? I know a lot of people are against supermax prisons - saying its torture. Now really, if you have murdered other people in federal prisons, I think that you should be sent to a facility like ADX. 23 hours a day in solitary confinement will give you a hell of a lot of time to consider your actions. However, that wasn't enough for one guy who was interviewed in the 60 minutes video - he went and robbed a bank when released, and got sent to a different prison in Washington State.

Certainly, if the government was sending people here on a whim, I think that would be over the top. But for cases such as terrorists (pretty much committing genocide on the smaller scale that they can), and murders (especially murdering prison staff) while in prison, this is justified.

Your thoughts??
 
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RE: Federal Supermax Prisons

Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:50 am



Quoting Bagpiper (Thread starter):
Your thoughts??

Given that the death penalty is probably (and sadly) on the way out, supermax prisons are the only thing we will have left to keep sociopaths in check.
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RE: Federal Supermax Prisons

Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:52 am



Quoting Halls120 (Reply 1):
supermax prisons are the only thing we will have left to keep sociopaths in check.

we need em, plain and simple, putting them in regular prisons gives them the ability to still get a lot of harm done, just look at how Gangs work, theyre run from Prison.
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RE: Federal Supermax Prisons

Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:54 am

yeah, I'd prefer death for some of these guys... just get rid of them... don't endanger staff who are trying to protect the citizens of the US.
 
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RE: Federal Supermax Prisons

Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:04 am

Haha, you should message Boeingfever777, he's obsessed with the idea of a "SuperMax Prison" and all the famous inmates housed in them...

Check out the Who's Who? at the ADX Florence, Colorado SuperMax facility.


  • Omar Portee, 30063-037, founder of the New York City faction of the Bloods street gang.
  • Timothy McVeigh (deceased), Oklahoma City Bombing executed on June 11, 2001
  • Ramzi Yousef, 03911-000, Islamist terrorist, 1993 World Trade Center bombing
  • Eric Robert Rudolph, 18282-058, Christian Identity terrorist, Olympic Park bomber
  • Richard Colvin Reid, 24079-038, Islamic terrorist, "Shoe Bomber"
  • Terry Nichols, 08157-031, Oklahoma City Bombing conspirator
  • Zacarias Moussaoui, 51427-054, conspirator in the September 11, 2001 attacks
  • Juan Matta-Ballesteros, 37671-133, drug trafficker, co-conspirator in Enrique Camarena case
  • John Walker Lindh, 45426-083, dubbed "The American Taliban"
  • Theodore Kaczynski, 04475-046, the "Unabomber"
  • Salvatore "Sammy the Bull" Gravano, of the Gambino crime family
  • Larry Hoover, 86063-024, leader of the Gangster Disciples Nation based in Chicago
  • Robert Hanssen, 48551-083, FBI agent; convicted of spying for the Soviet Union and Russia
  • Matthew F. Hale, 15177-424, white supremacist leader; convicted of soliciting the murder of a federal judge
  • Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso, 16802-050, mobster and former underboss of the Lucchese crime family
  • Wadih el-Hage, 42393-054, conspirator in the 1998 United States embassy bombings
  • Omar Abdel-Rahman, 34892-054, Islamist terrorist, nicknamed "The Blind Sheik"; involved in World Trade Center bombing planning in 1993


My cousin is an architect who specializes in design of prisons. He's based in SFO and designed the prison that was used in the movie "The Rock". It's the first one prison in the film where they go to get Connery's character to go into Alcatraz.

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RE: Federal Supermax Prisons

Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:07 am



Quoting FXramper (Reply 4):
Robert Hanssen, 48551-083, FBI agent; convicted of spying for the Soviet Union and Russia

Thats the FBI spy I was talkin about.

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Designing prisons must be an interesting job!!!!!
 
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RE: Federal Supermax Prisons

Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:17 am



Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 5):
Designing prisons must be an interesting job!!!!!

Greg, my 2nd cousin, loves what he does. He was taking a break and relocated to ATL with his family, only to have his company offer him more money and asked him to move back to SFO.

off topic - His father, is a Navy Physician at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

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RE: Federal Supermax Prisons

Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:55 am



Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 2):

It's pretty amazing what can happen in prisons. I've been watching the show on Discovery 'America's Hardest Prisons', they have the entire weight of the law thrown at them and can still run gangs in prison, scary stuff. I don't think criminals are as stupid as the public would like to believe.
 
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RE: Federal Supermax Prisons

Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:19 am



Quoting QFA380 (Reply 7):
I don't think criminals are as stupid as the public would like to believe.

no youre right. I remember one of the prison chiefs saying "Its scary how smart some of these inmates are, if they only applied it to something useful to the rest of society". Entire gangs are run from Prisons, the Aryan brotherhood and the Mexican Mafia are good examples.
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RE: Federal Supermax Prisons

Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:54 am



Quoting QFA380 (Reply 7):
I don't think criminals are as stupid as the public would like to believe.

Some of those guys are brilliant in a criminal sense. Also, contrary to the saying crime does pay-just not for the dumbest criminal. If crime didn't pay, you wouldn't have the organized criminal gangs creating the problems that they do.

Also, as long as you're listing B of P Supermax institutions don't forget Marion. Marion has been under lockdown for something like two decades now and is second only to Florence as far as its population goes. Once you get there, the final stop is Florence. Ironically, neither Supermax has a death row-B of P's death row is at Terre Haute.
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RE: Federal Supermax Prisons

Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:22 pm

Why all the drama in the 60 minutes intro:

You've heard about the prison for terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay but you probably don't know there's another prison, a secretive installation in Colorado, where more than 40 terrorists are locked away. As correspondent Scott Pelley explains, the government won't say much about this place it calls ADX, short for United States Penitentiary Administrative Maximum.

I've known about Supermax in Colorado for years, and saw a documentary on it once on some cable channel. They showed a lot of the features inside.

"You think the guard towers are watching us?" (correspondent) Pelley asks (former prison administrator) Hood, while standing not far from the perimeter of the ADX.

"I know they're watching us," Hood says.


Uh, I should hope so. You've got to keep an eye on the comings and goings of a prison campus.

Another fine example of 60 Minutes' dramatic reporting.

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