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Multiculturalism Is Not The Opposite Of Racism

Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:20 pm

It's time to take off the blinders of political affiliation and ideology and realize that certain issues cannot be easily dichotomized.

One fallacious dichotomy we see in both Europe and America today is the contraposition of multiculturalism with racism. The two are not opposites. Multiculturalism, if taken seriously, is the idea that every culture is politically equal within an otherwise unified whole. It is hard to accept how a country can be truly multicultural unless its founding documents, political governance, and national history were the product of more-or-less equal contributions by the several cultures constituting that multiculture.

Racism, on the other hand, is the belief that one's preferred race is better in some of the most important respects than other races. Multiculturalism and racism can coexist, and even reinforce each other, if one's interaction with other cultures is mediated only through formal political equality. Race "A" and Race "B" can coexist in a suitably designed formal framework of government and give rise to multicultural effects and results. In fact, were the United Nations a true government, its make-up would be truly multicultural. However, few would claim that even if the UN were multicultural, racism could not exist. Factions within the UN could still even claim that they are of a certain common superior race as arrayed all but politically against another.

The following is an interesting take on how one multicultural country in Europe might nevertheless exhibit facets of racism in certain respects:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1673669,00.html
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RE: Multiculturalism Is Not The Opposite Of Racism

Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:27 pm

In other shock news, a chair leg is not the opposite of a rabbit, and it's been conclusively proved that communism is not the opposite of naturism.
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RE: Multiculturalism Is Not The Opposite Of Racism

Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:30 pm



Quoting Banco (Reply 1):
communism is not the opposite of naturism.

It isn't ? Joe McCarthy is going to be SO embarrassed. When he finds his pants.
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RE: Multiculturalism Is Not The Opposite Of Racism

Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:21 pm



Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
One fallacious dichotomy we see in both Europe and America today is the contraposition of multiculturalism with racism. The two are not opposites. Multiculturalism, if taken seriously, is the idea that every culture is politically equal within an otherwise unified whole. It is hard to accept how a country can be truly multicultural unless its founding documents, political governance, and national history were the product of more-or-less equal contributions by the several cultures constituting that multiculture.

You seem to think more of what the Austro-Hungarian Empire used to be. That was a place where all constituant cultures (e.g. Austrians, Hungarians, Czechs, etc.) were politically equal, at least on paper.

21st Century Multiculturalism simply means that within the borders of one country, different cultures (e.g. immigrants, people from different religious background, people native to that country, etc.) can peacefully co-exist with each other and are to be treated equal by law. Yes, for foreigners and immigrants there are also a certain set of rules that allow them to stay in that country, but that's pretty normal. As long as they adhere to those rules, they are entitled to full protection under the law, in exchange for them abiding by it.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Multiculturalism and racism can coexist, and even reinforce each other

Say what?

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
In fact, were the United Nations a true government, its make-up would be truly multicultural. However, few would claim that even if the UN were multicultural, racism could not exist. Factions within the UN could still even claim that they are of a certain common superior race as arrayed all but politically against another.

Racism will always exist. As long as we exist, there will always be a group of total idiots preaching the superiority of their "race". It's unfortunate, but it's a fact.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
The following is an interesting take on how one multicultural country in Europe might nevertheless exhibit facets of racism in certain respects:

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic....html

That article only mentions the example of the SVP, which is said to be a very right wing party in Switzerland. Yes, while voters may like what they're saying with regards to immigrants, that doesn't mean all of Switzerland and all Swiss people are that way. So don't go generalising about things you have no idea about.

What are you trying to prove here anyway?
 
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RE: Multiculturalism Is Not The Opposite Of Racism

Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:31 pm



Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
It is hard to accept how a country can be truly multicultural unless its founding documents, political governance, and national history were the product of more-or-less equal contributions by the several cultures constituting that multiculture.

Dude.....what exactly are you trying to preach here?

Multiculturalism? Or the equal partitioning of national resources between groups regardless of their contribution or size based on race? Isn't that racism all by itself?

More important than multiculturalism is equal rights and the same laws being applied to all regardless of race, religion, sex or national origin.....
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RE: Multiculturalism Is Not The Opposite Of Racism

Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:15 am



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RE: Multiculturalism Is Not The Opposite Of Racism

Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:09 am

I'm not trying to preach a specific doctrine as much as to point out that whether one is liberal or conservative, one should not consider that multiculturalism is the salve against racism.
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RE: Multiculturalism Is Not The Opposite Of Racism

Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:44 pm



Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 6):
one should not consider that multiculturalism is the salve against racism.

ok....well, I think that's sort of a non-sequiter but ok. I agree that multi-culturalism isn't the salve against anything.

Our culture is a polyglot of everyone elses cultures and will continue to expand and include others. Racism will continue to exist being worn down solely by time and expanding institutional intellect.
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