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England Loses To Croatia, What Is Wrong?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:51 am

Allright, I was just watching SkySports, and they were just shocked at this defeat, the entire broadcast was about the defeat and it was quite interesting to see how much you Englishmen are into a sport that you seem to suck at  duck  . Furthermore, it seems that England always has high expectations and always comes up short. What is wrong with English Football?
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:56 am



Quoting LAXspotter (Thread starter):
What is wrong

The "national" football teams of England and Scotland and Wales possibly should merge into a UNITED Kingdom national team ?  Confused  Silly  yes   duck   duck   duck 
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:01 am



Quoting LAXspotter (Thread starter):
Furthermore, it seems that England always has high expectations and always comes up short. What is wrong with English Football?

A lack of decent, and uninjured, players and a manager to keep it simple and consistent.

Regarding injuries.... they use the wrong boots. How many metatarsals is it now??
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RE: England Loses To Croatia, What Is Wrong?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:06 am



Quoting LAXspotter (Thread starter):
England Loses To Croatia, What Is Wrong?

England currently sucks, nuff said.

Here's an interesting comment on that: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A29372556
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:19 am



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 1):
The "national" football teams of England and Scotland and Wales possibly should merge into a UNITED Kingdom national team ?

And that would help them achieving WHAT exactly?  rotfl   duck 
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RE: England Loses To Croatia, What Is Wrong?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:23 am



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 3):
England currently sucks, nuff said.

Its quite sad, that being one of the most Football crazed nations in Europe and coming up short like that must be dissapointing which is an understatment really.
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:24 am



Quoting Andreas (Reply 4):
The "national" football teams of England and Scotland and Wales possibly should merge into a UNITED Kingdom national team ?

And that would help them achieving WHAT exactly?

It may help them to phase out those players who basically just love to suffer and keep those really interested to try. And it would create a team of people from the Shetland Islands down to Brighton, and so a much wider choice. As the present teams do NOT really excel, why not combine them into one ?
 
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Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 6):
It may help them to phase out those players who basically just love to suffer and keep those really interested to try. And it would create a team of people from the Shetland Islands down to Brighton, and so a much wider choice. As the present teams do NOT really excel, why not combine them into one ?

Well first of all it was a joke, but ok, maybe some people are right now not in the mood for jokes...so DON'T MENTION FOOTBALL!

Seriously...what do you expect to happen: NOTHING!! England has in terms of players one of the best teams in Europe (ok, goalies we may not want to talk about....are there any new nicknames for poor Mr. Carson yet??), so in the end, a UK team would be pretty much the same as the English one.
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:45 am



Quoting LAXspotter (Thread starter):
Furthermore, it seems that England always has high expectations and always comes up short. What is wrong with English Football?

They are overrated...........
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:54 am

I feel sorry for the England fans, but I must say I'm really happy with that result, because I for one can't stand the English press and their arrogance. They seem to be the one's controlling football in England . Team Scotland may have been knocked out from an even more difficult group but we went out fighting. England had no fight, and went out with a whimper. Maybe, as ME AVN FAN pointed out, qualifying as one nation (United Kingdom) might be the best solution. For God's sake why do you need four territories from one nation to qualify? Thats being greedy if you ask me, and yet in the end, all failed in qualifying. Pity.
 
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Quoting Impacto (Reply 9):
difficult group but we went out fighting.

exactly what I heard from a scotsman on Skysports  Silly. Same words, some tone and spot on.
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:09 am



Quoting Impacto (Reply 9):
because I for one can't stand the English press and their arrogance. They seem to be the one's controlling football in England .

Definitely a valid point...big problem!!

Quoting Impacto (Reply 9):
England had no fight, and went out with a whimper.

Indeed, quite funny that is!

Quoting Impacto (Reply 9):
qualifying as one nation (United Kingdom) might be the best solution. For God's sake why do you need four territories from one nation to qualify?

Right, go discuss this with the Welsh, the Northern Irish and most of all, with the English...have fun! Big grin
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:20 am



Quoting Andreas (Reply 7):
it was a joke

I am quite certain that in much of England, the mood in this regard is NOT for jokes ! I however nevertheless fear that the Brits are not to consider a merger of their "national" football-teams, whenever it would simply be normal as the UK is ONE country.
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Quoting Andreas (Reply 7):
a UK team would be pretty much the same as the English one

No, it would/will inlude Scottish players
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RE: England Loses To Croatia, What Is Wrong?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:22 am



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 1):
The "national" football teams of England and Scotland and Wales possibly should merge into a UNITED Kingdom national team ? Confused Silly yes duck duck duck

Hell will freeze over before that ever happens!

Quoting Impacto (Reply 9):
Team Scotland may have been knocked out from an even more difficult group but we went out fighting. England had no fight, and went out with a whimper.

thats englands problem - arrogance! they go into every game and tournament expecting to win. When they fail they quickly find a scape goat, be it beckham, rooney, or usually - the manager.

England need to lower their expectations, and instead actually try and win the game, rather than going in expecting it to just happen, only to get a shock. Perhaps this will be the wakeup call.

The F.A is currently meeting, and it is almost certain that he will be sacked. The vote is expected to go 8-2 in favour of sacking him. £2.5m payoff for him, so cant all be bad!
 
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RE: England Loses To Croatia, What Is Wrong?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:27 am



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 13):
arrogance! they go into every game and tournament expecting to win. When they fail they quickly find a scape goat, be it beckham, rooney, or usually - the manager.



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 13):
England need to lower their expectations, and instead actually try and win the game

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Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:37 am

There are reports that McClaren has been told that that he will be sacked.
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:53 am

McClaren officially sacked...........

Time for Mourinho?????
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:56 am

McClaren told of England sacking

Steve McClaren has been told in private by the Football Association that he has been sacked as England coach.

The FA will imminently announce that McClaren, who is set for a £2.5m pay-off, has lost his job 18 months into a four-year contract.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7100393.stm

Who the hell gave him a 4 year contract? Shouldnt he have been a 2 year contract or somehting to prove himself first?
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:03 am



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 12):
a UK team would be pretty much the same as the English one

No, it would/will inlude Scottish players

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Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:15 am



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 13):
he "national" football teams of England and Scotland and Wales possibly should merge into a UNITED Kingdom national team ? Confused Silly yes duck duck duck

Hell will freeze over before that ever happens!

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RE: England Loses To Croatia, What Is Wrong?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:18 am



Quoting Oly720man (Reply 2):
A lack of decent, and uninjured, players and a manager to keep it simple and consistent.

True, to a certain extent, but it's got to come down to management. Look at the world class players they have and yet they look very average when they pull on an England shirt.

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 13):
thats englands problem - arrogance! they go into every game and tournament expecting to win. When they fail they quickly find a scape goat, be it beckham, rooney, or usually - the manager.

I don't believe the players have been arrogant. Yes, the English media and many of the supporters lost the plot yet again and after some of the very condescending remarks about Scotland recently, they can't expect much sympathy.  Smile

Talking of Beckham, it's interesting that, yet again, the man McClaren didn't want to use again turned the tide last night. Not quite enough but he made a difference. And some still think he's overrated!

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 12):
I however nevertheless fear that the Brits are not to consider a merger of their "national" football-teams, whenever it would simply be normal as the UK is ONE country.

If we'd started out as one team, fine. But we didn't and we'd rather switch to following another sport than merge our football teams. I'm not sure you've quite grasped the concept of following a team. Do you think it would be a popular move for Grasshopper and FC Zurich to merge to increase their chances of success? They're both Zurich teams so, according to you, their fans should welcome it.
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:38 am

Quoting Andreas (Reply 18):
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 12):
a UK team would be pretty much the same as the English one

No, it would/will inlude Scottish players

Exactly!!

It'd be hard to see any Scots players getting into a combined team. McFadden perhaps, that's about it. No Welsh, no Northern Irish. This always crops up, and no matter how many times we say it, it doesn't seem to get through. NO-ONE wants it, not English, not Scottish, not anyone. As to why it is the way it is, that's because we invented the bloody game, played it internationally before anyone else, and as with most sports, each nation plays individually. The Olympics is one of the very few occasions we compete as a unified team.

Now, having put that frankly silly debate back to bed where it belongs....

Andreas, I mentioned to you a year and a half ago that I thought something had broken in terms of the relationship between England fans and the team, and all you're seeing now is the results of that in terms of reaction. People can easily cope with a side not being very good, as long as they give it their all. Everyone, from whatever corner of these islands, and beyond, has nothing but the deepest admiration for Scotland and the way their players fight and work for each other to get results. If England had even half of their attitude they'd be winning competitions, let alone qualifying - because that's the difference between teams at the top level where overall ability is similar. Germany in the last World Cup were very similar, and they nearly went the whole way with a limited side.

But they don't. As I said on the other thread, England fans - everyone you met - was half-hoping for the result last night to be as it was because then finally, FINALLY it might wake a few people up.

We can talk about the number of English players in the Premier League, but the cream will always get through, and you can't tell me that John Terry for example didn't benefit from playing alongside, and learning from a player as special as Marcel Desailly.

But the scandal is in the structure. England don't even have a national academy for young players, for heaven's sake. Compare that with France, who have a fairly rubbish national league, but who produce players left right and centre. English football is entirely in the hands of the clubs, who don't give a stuff about the national team, and just care about how many shirts they can sell in China. They're stupid and short-sighted too, because when England fail, it impacts on the interest level in club football; it's in their interests for England to do well.

England DO have good players. There is an issue about the depth of the quality, because when the first choice lot are injured there's a worrying absence of quality to come in. Nevertheless, the real problem is that even when the first-choice players are all out there, they play appallingly. England didn't fail to qualify because of a one off result, they didn't qualify because over a 12 game campaign they weren't good enough, in what really was a piss-easy group. Croatia are a good side, but for England to fail to finish even second....?

The whole world must laugh at quite how inept they are when they step on the field. And let's not just load it all the manager either, because for all the nonsense thrown at him, Eriksson is a fine, fine coach, and HE couldn't get them to play either, nor was he responsible for their inability to hit the target from 12 yards.

So the malaise is much deeper set than the choice of the man in charge. When people criticise England players for a lack of desire in the shirt, others come out and say it ain't so. Well, what then? They don't LOOK like they really care, whatever they may say - the likes of Beckham being honourable exceptions - and if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

As to what next? Well, who in their right mind would want to take on the England team? No tournament next year, and no prospect of one till 2010. No top level manager is going to want that job. And even if they did, I wonder how much of a difference it would make. England are getting outplayed by teams with lower quality players, run by managers who have a lot less top level experience than any England one.

And finally, the press. Well, we all know that the tabloid media are bastards. But they still aren't the ones who cross the white line. Whatever you may think of them (and I think very little of them) they aren't the ones responsible for the performances.

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Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:39 am

"Ohne England, fahr'n wir zur EM! Ohne England, fahr'n wir zur EM!" Big grin
Sorry, just had to write that. But hey, at least Lampard proved that the English can actually succeed at penalties.

I'm actually more wondering when the 3 top croatian players will now get their Russian-donated limousines  Silly .
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:43 am



Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 22):
at least Lampard proved that the English can actually succeed at penalties.

He was absolutely abysmal apart from that though.
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:02 am



Quoting Banco (Reply 21):
Andreas, I mentioned to you a year and a half ago that I thought something had broken in terms of the relationship between England fans and the team, and all you're seeing now is the results of that in terms of reaction. People can easily cope with a side not being very good, as long as they give it their all. Everyone, from whatever corner of these islands, and beyond, has nothing but the deepest admiration for Scotland and the way their players fight and work for each other to get results. If England had even half of their attitude they'd be winning competitions, let alone qualifying - because that's the difference between teams at the top level where overall ability is similar. Germany in the last World Cup were very similar, and they nearly went the whole way with a limited side.

Funny I just posted something similar in another Forum...yes indeed, one of the major problems.

Quoting Banco (Reply 21):
England don't even have a national academy for young players, for heaven's sake. Compare that with France, who have a fairly rubbish national league, but who produce players left right and centre.

Yes one of the great achievements of the French, Italy as well, Netherlands (at least Ajax) and in Germany we've just started to build it up on a broader basis.

Quoting Banco (Reply 23):
He was absolutely abysmal apart from that though.

Yes indeed, and besides, that penalty was a joke in itself...in PL no Ref would dare!!!
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:03 am



Quoting David L (Reply 20):
Look at the world class players they have and yet they look very average when they pull on an England shirt.

And how often they seem to be world class for their club sides... because they can be lifted by the other (overseas) superstars?

Quoting Banco (Reply 21):
and HE couldn't get them to play either

Well, only once (that I remember) did the roof come off for a 80 or 90 minute super display.... 5-1 vs Germany in Munich, but they just couldn't maintain it and then struggled against Albania and, particularly, Greece.
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:11 am



Quoting Oly720man (Reply 25):
And how often they seem to be world class for their club sides... because they can be lifted by the other (overseas) superstars?

Maybe. But if you look at comparable sides, the Germanys, Frances, Italys etc, you can't tell me that they have that many players who you'd prefer to put in a side ahead of the English. Take Chelsea - Ballack can't get anywhere near Lampard, fine player though he is. But for England Lampard is dreadful, for Germany Ballack is brilliant.
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Quoting David L (Reply 20):
Do you think it would be a popular move for Grasshopper and FC Zurich to merge to increase their chances of success? They're both Zurich teams so, according to you, their fans should welcome it.

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The ZSC Lions is the result of the merger of two Icehockey Teams. http://www.zsc-lions.ch/team/geschichte.cfm
The reason was just similar to the present situation of the British national football teams. And you should have seen the press-comments in Zurich following this merger, whenever football was not affected.
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:25 am



Quoting Banco (Reply 26):
Ballack can't get anywhere near Lampard,

Certainly not since April...which was the last time Ballack was close to a football match.

But aside from that....it is a fact that basically all English top players do work in a surrounding of international top stars and MOST OF ALL international top coaches. England tried that as well...out came the Eriksson disaster, who was mobbed from day 1. Besides there's a certain lack of "leadership quality" in the English side, right, there's Terry and a few others but one cannot fight the feeling that these have more or less an agenda of their own...which is not always equivalent to the team's best interest.

What can be done....what MUST be done? A lot...most points have been mentioned already, but it is essential that those in charge of English footbal do not consider this as the biggest embarassment of the last 20 years (which it is, of course Big grin) but instead go the German way 2004. Consider it your chance to reform...or otherwise be happy to keep on playing the penalty shootout clown of the world for years and years to come.
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:29 am

The general problem, not just confined to England, is that footballers are a bunch of overpaid hairdressers. The days when playing for your national team was the ultimate glory are long gone I think.

I'm sure the Austrians and Swiss will be disappointed that no British team is in the competition. They might not be popular, but the fans really do spend money wherever they go.
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:33 am

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 29):
They might not be popular, but the fans really do spend money wherever they go.

But then they're welcome to visit anyway, and it would be fun for them, too...Drinking, sunbathing, and all that without those frustrating hours at a stadium, no more shootouts...life can be so easy you know   

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Quoting Andreas (Reply 28):
and MOST OF ALL international top coaches.

Yes, but you never know if Englishmen will be international top coaches or not, because the moneybags clubs just go straight for a ready-made foreign coach! It's Catch-22.

Quoting Andreas (Reply 28):
Consider it your chance to reform

You're preaching to the converted. The fans and the media (yes, even them) have known this for years. It's the clubs who stop anything happening - and incidentally, will stop anything happening now.

Nothing will change. They don't care.
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:35 am

I think Fabio Cappello would be a good choice of manager.
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:36 am



Quoting Impacto (Reply 9):
Maybe, as ME AVN FAN pointed out, qualifying as one nation (United Kingdom) might be the best solution. For God's sake why do you need four territories from one nation to qualify?

As it is now, it reminds me fatally of that old horror movie cliche where a small group of people infiltrates the lair of the monster and then gloriously decides to split up to "cover more ground" or, more realistically, to be picked off one by one at the convenience of the monster.

It rarely fails to produce the obvious result. And the football version of it seems to work quite the same way.

A lack of unity leads to failure. As if that was still news.

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 13):
Hell will freeze over before that ever happens!

You're already looking mighty cold up there...  mischievous 
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:36 am



Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 29):
I'm sure the Austrians and Swiss will be disappointed that no British team is in the competition. They might not be popular, but the fans really do spend money wherever they go.

England fans go to tournaments in bigger numbers than any other nation. And now the nutters are prevented from travelling, the actually do tend to be fairly popular. Ask the Germans.
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:38 am



Quoting Klaus (Reply 33):
It rarely fails to produce the obvious result. And the football version of it seems to work quite the same way.

A lack of unity leads to failure. As if that was still news.

 Yeah sure

It's as feasible as Germany unifying with France on the football field. Why don't you just accept that?
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:43 am



Quoting Banco (Reply 31):
You're preaching to the converted. The fans and the media (yes, even them) have known this for years. It's the clubs who stop anything happening - and incidentally, will stop anything happening now.

Nothing will change. They don't care

Yes same happened in Germany in 2000.....remember that EC (Portugal) we have all agreed not to mention again...EVER!!!

Ribbeck was kicked, up came poodle Voeller, and what happened: NOTHING!! Same horrible football, no structural changes, the same bloody football mafia im place who kept controlling DFB. Then WC 2002, which was so horrible to watch, I was rarely more embarassed to watch Germany play than in 2002 (ok, 30 Minutes in the group stages against Cameroon was quite good actually), second place and then we all had to listen to that crap as to how successful we are if we stick to tradition yadda yadda yadda!

Then 2004, another total disaster and then: Klinsmann....and that is exactly the kind of guy YOU need!! Someone with a pretty good idea as to WHAT exactly must happen in a larger sense to bring back AND an enormous load of stubbornness to get it done, against all blabberings of the "good old boys".

I have NO idea how Klinsmann managed to stay in office during the first 14 or 15 months, he probably has a lot of dirty pics of those "Football Mafiosi" somewhere stashed away to keep them at bay, but be that as it may......he did it!

THAT ist he kind of guy YOU need!
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:46 am



Quoting Banco (Reply 34):
I'm sure the Austrians and Swiss will be disappointed that no British team is in the competition. They might not be popular, but the fans really do spend money wherever they go.

England fans go to tournaments in bigger numbers than any other nation. And now the nutters are prevented from travelling, the actually do tend to be fairly popular. Ask the Germans.

If the Brits stay away from the Euro-08 it simply will be a loss, the Croatian fans can never make up, and so, that thing is most regrettable indeed
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Quoting Banco (Reply 35):
Germany unifying with France

Wrong comparison. Germany already IS united with Bavaria and Saxonia.
And France IS united with the Bretagne, the Alsace and with Corsica.
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RE: England Loses To Croatia, What Is Wrong?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:46 am



Quoting Andreas (Reply 36):
remember that EC (Portugal) we have all agreed not to mention again...EVER!!!

Sorry, I didn't realise there was a tournament that year...  scratchchin   Wink

Quoting Andreas (Reply 36):
THAT ist he kind of guy YOU need!

Perhaps. It doesn't impact the structural problems though.
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Banco
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RE: England Loses To Croatia, What Is Wrong?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:49 am



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 37):
Wrong comparison. Germany already IS united with Bavaria and Saxonia.
And France IS united with the Bretagne, the Alsace and with Corsica.

Wrong comparison again.

Let's get one thing clear, we have played as separate nations for 130 years. Before any of you lot played football.

And quite frankly, anyone from abroad making this point can, in the nicest possible non-personal sense, fuck off. It's not a debate. OK?  Wink
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RE: England Loses To Croatia, What Is Wrong?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:53 am



Quoting Banco (Reply 35):
It's as feasible as Germany unifying with France on the football field.

You can table that point again when Germany and France should have a common national government but still separate football teams. The whole point of international football is diluted by Britain's divide and get conquered approach...  mischievous 

Quoting Banco (Reply 35):
Why don't you just accept that?

It's not for me to accept or reject... I merely observe and shake my head...
 
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RE: England Loses To Croatia, What Is Wrong?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:57 am



Quoting Banco (Reply 38):
Sorry, I didn't realise there was a tournament that year...

Exactly!

Quoting Banco (Reply 38):
Perhaps. It doesn't impact the structural problems though.

Yes he did...in his own stubborn way...and THAT is what or rather who you need, no matter Who exactly!

Quoting Banco (Reply 35):
Germany unifying with France on the football field.

 eyepopping   eyepopping   eyepopping 

No need to be rude, really!!  crying   crying   crying 
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Klaus
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RE: England Loses To Croatia, What Is Wrong?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:57 am



Quoting Banco (Reply 39):
Wrong comparison again.

No, that is exactly the correct comparison!

Quoting Banco (Reply 39):
Let's get one thing clear, we have played as separate nations for 130 years. Before any of you lot played football.

And what good has that done you recently?  eyebrow 

Quoting Banco (Reply 39):
And quite frankly, anyone from abroad making this point can, in the nicest possible non-personal sense, fuck off. It's not a debate. OK?

Sure, but just picking on you is even more fun...! Big grin
 
ME AVN FAN
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RE: England Loses To Croatia, What Is Wrong?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:02 pm



Quoting Banco (Reply 39):
Before any of you lot played football.

THIS possibly is just THE problem !?  Wink  duck   duck 
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Quoting Banco (Reply 39):
It's not a debate

not yet --- not yet !
 
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RE: England Loses To Croatia, What Is Wrong?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:06 pm



Quoting Banco (Reply 38):
Sorry, I didn't realise there was a tournament that year...

... although we did seem to spend a lot of money on stadia around that time....

I certainly can't remember who won it if there was Wink
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Andreas
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RE: England Loses To Croatia, What Is Wrong?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:12 pm



Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 44):
... although we did seem to spend a lot of money on stadia around that time....

I certainly can't remember who won it if there was

Infrastructural needs, wasn't it?

Funny how these things slip the mind...at the same time in different countries Big grin
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wunala
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RE: England Loses To Croatia, What Is Wrong?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:18 pm

Who cares?

England lost, so therefore are not the best team in the comp.

Get over it, you should be used to loosing by now. (and we ain't talking just sport here).

If you love the sport, you will continue to follow the rest of the games and competition. If not, Pauline might move to England and drum up some support.
 
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RE: England Loses To Croatia, What Is Wrong?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:29 pm



Quoting Wunala (Reply 46):
(and we ain't talking just sport here).

Oh, do tell.  Yeah sure
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RE: England Loses To Croatia, What Is Wrong?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:30 pm

I see this - sad as it is for the English - as a chance for English football to tackle necessary reforms. Like Andreas said, a guy by the likes of Klinsmann - or possible Klinsmann himself - could get the job done.
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RE: England Loses To Croatia, What Is Wrong?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:33 pm



Quoting Banco (Reply 47):
Quoting Wunala (Reply 46):
(and we ain't talking just sport here).

Oh, do tell.

OK, you do have one of the better airlines in the world, will that make you happy?

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