connies4ever
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Who Will Win The 95th Grey Cup?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:42 am

My head says Saskatchewan, but my heart is for Winnipeg. The Blue Bombers staff appear to have a lot of confidence in Ryan Dinwiddie at QB -- I hope the O-line can give him the time he needs for his reads. Amazing to think a QB's very 1st start is in the national championship game, but there you go. Saskatchewan brings a lot to the table as well and I think they are currently 12-point favourites.

It's a big weekend in Toronto football-wise as the national university championship is on tonight with University of Manitoba Bisons vs St Mary's Huskies. Manitoba are the prohibitive favourites.

Could be Winnipeg's football double if the Bisons and the Bombers pull through.
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RE: Who Will Win The 95th Grey Cup?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:31 am

Didn't Dinwiddie play QB at Boise State several years ago? First Boise and now Winnipeg, boy this guy knows the great places to live..
 
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RE: Who Will Win The 95th Grey Cup?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:40 am

I have to say that I could care less about the CFL, but last weekend I was at home in Toronto and my uncle who is a huge Argo's fan was talking my ear off on the subject. He tells me that Saskatchewan is the better team, so I'll pick them. But my television will be tuned to the NFL, I'll flip to the Grey Cup during commercials I guess to see how my prediction is coming along.
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RE: Who Will Win The 95th Grey Cup?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:35 am

Hi NeilYYZ:

"I could care less about the CFL".

Everybody is entitled to his opinion and I shouldn't really talk because I'm not that interested in football at all.

But I heard that the Canadian game is better and that the Grey Cup games are usually exciting and well-balanced while many of the Superbowl Games have been duds.

So why do you prefer the NFL over the CFL? Do you think it is more "big league"? . Just asking; curious to know. Thanks.
 
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RE: Who Will Win The 95th Grey Cup?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:26 pm

At last a little chatter about the game !

Quoting AirCop (Reply 1):
Didn't Dinwiddie play QB at Boise State several years ago? First Boise and now Winnipeg, boy this guy knows the great places to live..

Can't say about Boise since I've never been there, but you play where the scholarship takes you.

As for my home town, it IS a great place to live. Everything the Greater Toronto Area has w/o the traffic madness, plus, for those who care, Winnipeg has the ballet and an opera, which is unusual in a city of 700k.

Did anyone take in the Vanier Cup on Friday night ? 28-14 Manitoba over St Mary's. I thought the score flattered St mary's as they scored on their 1st possession and then not again until the last 3 minutes of the game. Bisons D-line and backers just kept bringing it. The St Mary's QB, Abraham, did I thought a decent job, but he was in the deep end of the pool from about 5 minutes onwards.

Hopefully Dinwiddie will have a better fate !
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RE: Who Will Win The 95th Grey Cup?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:38 pm

its clear the bombers will win. And yes, Dinwiddie was at Boise state where he was one of the most prolific passers in NCAA history apparently. I don't think this guy is as green as some think he is. He showed he knew what he was doing in last week's game.

Kinda crappy for the bombers to lose Glenn as well as Bolden who is out with a hamstring injury. However, i think the bombers have the depth that as long as we play clean we can pull it off. We will lose if we make a lot of mistakes, give up good field position, and don't capitalize when we are in the red zone.

The u of Manitoba Bisons(my alma mater) won their championship on Friday night, so it is fitting that the bombers will bring theirs home as well. Congrats to them!

In dinwiddie we trust!

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RE: Who Will Win The 95th Grey Cup?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:35 pm



Quoting Ronglimeng (Reply 3):
But I heard that the Canadian game is better and that the Grey Cup games are usually exciting and well-balanced while many of the Superbowl Games have been duds.

I've heard this argument too. And while I can't really say much about Grey Cup games because I don't ever watch them for more than a few minutes at a time during NFL commericals I will say that there have definately been some Super Bowl games which are duds.

Quoting Ronglimeng (Reply 3):
So why do you prefer the NFL over the CFL? Do you think it is more "big league"? . Just asking; curious to know. Thanks.

All a matter of my parents when I was young. My mom was huge San Fransisco 49ers fan, my dad a big Pittsburgh Steelers fan, so Sunday was a day when the NFL was always on. I started to follow the Steelers, and haven't stopped.

The CFL is also a predominately pass league with only 3 downs instead of the 4 in the NFL which allows for a bit more of a balanced Pass/Rushing game. I also don't understand some of the CFL rules, for example, in the CFL, if you miss a field goal, you still get 1 point. It just's a matter of taste really, there's no doubt that the NFL has superior players, but that being said, I often prefer going to OHL games instead of NHL games.
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RE: Who Will Win The 95th Grey Cup?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:51 pm



Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 6):
The CFL is also a predominately pass league with only 3 downs instead of the 4 in the NFL which allows for a bit more of a balanced Pass/Rushing game. I also don't understand some of the CFL rules, for example, in the CFL, if you miss a field goal, you still get 1 point. It just's a matter of taste really, there's no doubt that the NFL has superior players, but that being said, I often prefer going to OHL games instead of NHL games.

The NFL 4-down system to me reflects the overall conservative orientation of the society in front of which it plays. Don't risk anything, just keep bashing until you get 10 yards. The CFL approach is to take risks. And, if it's a predominantly pass league, why are there so many 1,000 yard rushers (6 this year I believe)? I agree there are usually more pass plays than run, but I'm not sure predominantly is the right term.

The NFL has superior players because it has that unbelievable TV contract. Something like $75M/team/year. In the CFL it's about $1.5M/team/year. You give the CFL teams the same money, the calibre of the players in the league will go up more than a notch. Or, reversing gears, look back to the 50s when the TV money was minimal for both leagues. The CFL competed even-up for top college players, AND, in inter-league exhibition play, held its' own.

NFL has superior players, over-all true. But remember Vince Ferragamo, QB LA Rams in the 70s, went to the SB. Contract dispute caused him to go to Montreal next season where he was a collossal flop. Replaced by a Canadian, Gerry Dattilio. There are more instances I can think of where NFL players have come up here and just totally failed. The pace of play is faster (20 sec vs 40 sec time clock) and the field is much, much bigger. An American O-lineman coming to Winnipeg was asked after his first game how big the field seemed. He asnwered by saying he wanted to call a time-out on the way to the huddle.

But in the end to each his own.
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RE: Who Will Win The 95th Grey Cup?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:05 pm



Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 7):
The CFL approach is to take risks. And, if it's a predominantly pass league, why are there so many 1,000 yard rushers (6 this year I believe)?

I didn't know that. The only CFL that I've seen this year was the Blue Bombers/Argo game last Saturday where I watched bit's and pieces, and I'll admit, there was some RB on Winnipeg who could break tackles and roll off the back of the pile extrememly well.

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 7):
I agree there are usually more pass plays than run, but I'm not sure predominantly is the right term.

Fair enough, you know much more about the CFL than I do.

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 7):
The NFL has superior players because it has that unbelievable TV contract.

I'll give you that, probably why Toronto will never get an NFL team. I also don't want to see an NFL team in Toronto, because there are tons of people like yourself and my Uncle who seem to love the CFL, and an NFL team would ruin all of that history.

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 7):
NFL has superior players, over-all true. But remember Vince Ferragamo, QB LA Rams in the 70s, went to the SB. Contract dispute caused him to go to Montreal next season where he was a collossal flop.

Just a little bit before my time  Wink
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RE: Who Will Win The 95th Grey Cup?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:44 pm

Neil -

Just before the game starts: I wouldn't say Toronto will never get an NFL franchise. It's more likely now than ever before. Several factors: the Godfrey & Tanenbaum groups have gobs of money, and if the C$ value holds against the US$, then the franchise fee would be ~$750M, not $1B. There' s still the issue of the stadium. Rogers Centre is not a good football stadium to begin with, sightlines are fair at best, it's great for baseball. Also not big enough. SO someone is going to have to make a business case for a 70-75,000 stadium somewhere that would likely cost upwards of $700-800M.. maybe a cool billion. And don't expect any city or provincial money in any form. The Bills franchise I can only guess at, but I think $500M might be close.

But the issues holding the NFL back from Canada are a) what to do about Los Angeles ? and b) if the NFL comes in and destroys the CFL, they effectively have a monopoly. With the CFL present, they can tell the lawmakers with a straight face that if a player is unhappy in, say, Detroit, he can always negotiate a contract with Edmonton. If an effective monopoly is perceived, lawsuits may fly and anti-trust legislation may come into play.

With respect to a), I just don't see a Canadian franchise before Los Angeles. Perhaps that's where the Bills will ultimately land.
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RE: Who Will Win The 95th Grey Cup?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:56 pm

don't forget the many CFL players that went to the NFL and did fairly well. doug flutie, jeff garcia, Joe Theismann, warren moon, etc etc.

So the game is starting real soon, i hope the bombers can pull this off.

and as far as quality of the game, i think the cfl is no bush league. I watched the vanier cup game, and there you could tell it isnt the level the CFL is at. I watch nfl and cfl games, and the cfl looks just as good. I wouldnt exactly call the cfl a farm league for the nfl. As far as i am concerned, the games are different, but equal. I love the cfl, its so entertaining.


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RE: Who Will Win The 95th Grey Cup?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:11 pm



Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 9):

I agree that a team should go to L.A. before one ever comes to Toronto. Although, if Tannenbaum left the Leafs alone to focus on getting an NFL fanchise I'd be alright with that, entriely because he would leave the Leafs. In the end, whether or not Toronto gets an NFL franchise doesn't matter to me anyhow, I'll still be a Steelers fan regardless.

As for the stadium, I suppose you'd need to go outside the city boundaries to set that up. You're right, the Rogers Center is just not an NFL facility, even if they could meet the minimum seat requirements for an NFL team, which I heard they could if Windows and the Hotel were removed, I think a new stadium would be better.

As I said though, if the NFL were to come hopefully they would be able to work it so that both leagues survive. Just because the CFL isn't my cup of tea doesn't mean I'd like to see it go.
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RE: Who Will Win The 95th Grey Cup?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:49 pm

even if the nfl came to toronto, it wouldn't mean the demise of the CFL. maybe the argos would go bye bye, but i doubt the rest of the league would go. I wonder what effect toronto not having a team would have on the league though? They don't do that well anyways do they?
 
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RE: Who Will Win The 95th Grey Cup?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:53 am

 Sad

bombers are bridesmaids once again. i dont know what dinwiddie was thinking throwing that last one. he was like a yard away from a first down and then threw an interception.

our defense wasn't great today and let joseph run around quite a bit. Stokes was unimpressive and a non-factor, and roberts really wasnt too great today either.
 
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RE: Who Will Win The 95th Grey Cup?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:00 am



Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 13):
bombers are bridesmaids once again. i dont know what dinwiddie was thinking throwing that last one. he was like a yard away from a first down and then threw an interception.

our defense wasn't great today and let joseph run around quite a bit. Stokes was unimpressive and a non-factor, and roberts really wasnt too great today either.

I think it was more like 5 yards. We'll likely never know what he was thinking but I would hesitate to criticise someone who was trying to win. Rookie QBs tend to get tunnel vision at times, for sure. Overall I thought Dinwiddie performed much better than was thought he could. A couple of brain cramps for sure, but I kind of expected that. One point that should be made, though, goes to Coach Berry NOT playing Dinwiddie in games where the Bombers were well up in the 4th quarter. Especially in the 1st half of the season. You can practice all you want, but game time beats everything. That said, at this point he looks like a lock for backup at training camp. Off season he needs a strength program to give him more zip on the ball.

I thought the defence played well, along the front seven, except when Joseph got outside. He didn't run many times, but it was a real threat. Interestingly Riders game plan seemed to be for Joseph to be a pocket passer, which goes against his strength. He looked awful in 1st half (3-15, 0TD, 1 INT) but played much better in 2nd. Bombers secondary were OK but I still go back to the fact that Winnipeg, Juran Bolden aside, always seem to sign small DBs. Sure became an issue defending against Fantuz.

Sadly, I think the last we've seen of both Stegall and Westwood.
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