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Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:19 pm

With the recent events that have gone down on NCAA football I think it is possible for Michigan to still play in the Rose Bowl. Let me know what you think.

LSU losing to Arkansas yesterday means that they are out of the hunt.

Either Kansas or Missouri will lose today, and then that team will be out of the hunt. With that loss Ohio State moves up to a guaranteed #3 spot in the rankings.

If West Virginia loses to Connecticut then Ohio State will be #2.

Next week the winner of the Kansas-Missouri game has to play Oklahoma for the Big XII Championship. If either Kansas/Missouri loses then Georgia is poised to be in the national championship vs Ohio State assuming they beat LSU in the SEC championship.

So to make it simple, if Ohio State can slide into the #2 spot (which is very possible) then Michigan should go to the Rose Bowl because they beat Illinois who beat Ohio State. Michigan is 8-4 overall with a 6-2 record in the Big Ten. Illinois is 9-3 overall with a 6-2 record in the Big Ten. The tie breaker should go to Michigan being that they beat Illinois.

Any thoughts on this little scenario?
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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:18 pm

If it comes down to picking either Michigan or Illinois, my bet is that Illinois would replace Michigan in the Rose Bowl since they beat Ohio State and are ranked pretty well in the BCS. If the Buckeyes do indeed get moved up to the championship game it'll probably be Illinois-Rose, Wisconsin-Capital One, Michigan-Outback, and Penn State-Alamo. I just don't see how you can take a 4 loss team that's lost 2 in a row and put them in the Rose Bowl.
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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:18 pm

So they can "try" to avenge their 39-7 loss to Oregon? Big grin
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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:36 pm



Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):

So to make it simple, if Ohio State can slide into the #2 spot (which is very possible) then Michigan should go to the Rose Bowl because they beat Illinois who beat Ohio State. Michigan is 8-4 overall with a 6-2 record in the Big Ten. Illinois is 9-3 overall with a 6-2 record in the Big Ten. The tie breaker should go to Michigan being that they beat Illinois.

Any thoughts on this little scenario?

Michigan is currently 30th in the BCS with no hope of moving up significantly since their regular season is done...Illinois is 17th, and Wisconsin is 21st, so if a 2nd Big 10 team were to make it to a BCS bowl, it would probably be Illinois (if the BCS chooses to extend the minimum ranking needed to be eligible for a BCS bowl, as they have been considering)...Michigan, being so far behind, has no shot for the Rose Bowl...
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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:57 pm

Instead of the Rose Bowl, Michigan will be playing in something like the Alamo Bowl in San Antonio. Sorry but a four loss team does not belong in a top-tier bowl game.
 
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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:11 pm

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
I think it is possible for Michigan to still play in the Rose Bowl. Let me know what you think.

Absolutely not. A 4 loss team getting a BCS at-large bid? No chance in hell. Michigan isn't even ranked in anything. There is ZERO chance of this.

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
So to make it simple, if Ohio State can slide into the #2 spot (which is very possible) then Michigan should go to the Rose Bowl because they beat Illinois who beat Ohio State.

Wrong. The Big Ten won't send another team to the BCS. It's not there pre-BCS days where a Big Ten team has to play in the Rose Bowl. They don't. And if Ohio State plays in the title game, they won't.

Hell, the Badgers would deserve to go to the Rose Bowl more with a 9-3 record and the tiebreaker over Michigan. But thats not going to happen.

So to answer your question, a bigi NO for Michigan going to the Rose Bowl. Illinois has an outside chance if the carnage continues at the top.

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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:11 pm

Sadly, no, Michigan will not be in a BCS bowl. The Rose Bowl defaults to the winner of the Big Ten vs. the winner of the Pacific 10 unless one of them is in the title game. Remember a few years back when Michigan faced Texas in the Rose Bowl? That was because the Pac-10 champ (USC I think) was in the title game.
 
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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sat Nov 24, 2007 10:06 pm

BCS bowls with a conference tie-in (Orange with ACC, Rose with Pac 10/Big Televen, Sugar with SEC, Fiesta with Big 12) that have a team go to the national championship do not have to take a team from their conference tie-in; instead, they can take an at-large from the top 14 teams in the BCS. Since Michigan isn't sniffing the top 25 of the BCS, let alone the top 14, there's no way they go to the Rose Bowl.

LSU is still in the hunt. I doubt the voters penalize them too much for having both losses being triple-OT to SEC teams. I wouldn't be shocked if LSU at worse drops to number 3 after this week, with WVU clinching a spot this week (they're slaughtering UConn right now) and the winner of Mizzou-Kansas being slotted in there, but potentially falling out if they lose in the Big 12 championship to Oklahoma. If that happened, I could see a 2-loss LSU (provided they beat Tennessee in Atlanta in the SECCG) besting a 1-loss tOSU for the National Championship
 
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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sat Nov 24, 2007 10:54 pm



Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
Georgia is poised to be in the national championship vs Ohio State assuming they beat LSU in the SEC championship

Georgia needs help from Kentucky before they can go to the SEC title game. You've forgotten those hillbillies from Knoxville lead the East right now...though they are in the third OT at this moment (and keeping the UF-FSU game off the air which is pissing me off!)
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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:02 pm

There just isn't any logic in thinking there is any chance that Michigan would get an at-large selection in the BCS. Face it, Michigan is most likely going to the Alamo bowl. That's where they belong, too.
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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:51 am

Well as of right right now there's still a good chance that Ohio State gets moved up to the Championship game. Here are the current BCS standings:
1.) LSU (Obviously will drop down)
2.) Kansas
3.) West Virginia
4.) Missouri
5.) Ohio State

Basically, the winner of the Kansas-Missouri matchup needs to loose against Oklahoma next week for Ohio State to move up to number 2 which should set up West Virginia vs. Ohio State for the Championship. That should open the Rose Bowl for possibly Illinois.
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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:43 am



Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 10):
That should open the Rose Bowl for possibly Illinois.

If Ohio State goes to the national championship game, the Rose Bowl does not need to take a Big Ten team. The BCS conferences are guaranteed one representative to a BCS game. The National Championship game supersedes any relationship with the Fiesta/Rose/Orange/Sugar Bowls. Thus, the Rose Bowl would be between a Pac-10 team and an at-large contender. Let's assume the NC game is WV-tOSU (that's if Mizzou holds on here and loses next week). That would take care of the Big East and Big Ten reps. There are 8 slots left, and the ACC, SEC, Pac-10 and Big 12 (would have to be Oklahoma for this scenario to happen) get four of those slots. That leaves four at-large slots. Hawaii as an undefeated team (assuming they beat UW) would get one. UGA, in the top 6-7 in the BCS and not playing for the SEC Championship, will most likely get one. Arizona State, if they beat Arizona and USC beats the crosstown folks from Pasadena both win, will quite possibly get a bid. Kansas/Mizzou would most likely get the fourth at-large bid as well.

Any way you cut it, the lone BCS team from the Big 10 will be Ohio State. Period. SEC, Big 12 and quite possibly the Pac 10 deserve 2 BCS bowl bids. The joke known as the Big 10 should get the one they get as conference champion. That's it. That league shouldn't (and rightfully won't) be sniffing 2 BCS bowl bids this year.
 
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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:16 am

Who would go into Ohio State's spot if they slip into the National title game? And it's a real possibility-all that has to happen now is for Oklahoma to beat Missouri down in SAT next week. LSU Perhaps, against the PAC 10 champ?
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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:40 am



Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 10):
That should open the Rose Bowl for possibly Illinois.

Illinois at 9-3 and sitting at #17 will not be in a BCS Bowl. OSU will be the only Big10 representative in a BCS bowl game this year. No ifs, and, or buts about it. I would expect to see a Florida-Illinois matchup in either the Citrus or Outback Bowls. The Zooker versus his old team....the drama, the game, the continued SEC ass beating on a Big10 team!

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12):
Who would go into Ohio State's spot if they slip into the National title game? And it's a real possibility-all that has to happen now is for Oklahoma to beat Missouri down in SAT next week. LSU Perhaps, against the PAC 10 champ?

I would expect UGA to go to Rose Bowl if LSU beats the Hillbillies and OSU goes to the title game (shudder the thought...) LSU is locked out of a BCS game if they lose to Tennessee and locked into the Sugar if they win. OSU will get the national title game with some help and the Rose Bowl versus USC if they stay at #3.
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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:44 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12):
Who would go into Ohio State's spot if they slip into the National title game?

If tOSU goes to the National Title game, I think it breaks down like this:

National Title - tOSU v West Virginia (assuming they win the Backyard Brawl)
Orange - VTech v Georgia
Sugar - SEC (assuming LSU) v Hawaii (since Sugar gets last pick of BCS teams)
Fiesta - Oklahoma (since they knocked off Mizzou for tOSU to be in the title) v Arizona State
Rose - Pac 10 (probably USC) v Mizzou/Kansas
 
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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:06 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 13):
the continued SEC ass beating on a Big10 team!

I guess you must not recall the last 2 Capital One Bowls where Wisconsin has upset Arkansas and Auburn and the Outback Bowl last year when Penn State knocked off Tennessee?  

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 11):
the Rose Bowl does not need to take a Big Ten team.

I know they don't have to, but aren't the Rose Bowl folks really picky about having a Big 10-Pac 10 matchup?

Depending on how far Oregon and Texas drop in the BCS standings after their losses, Illinois could very well be #14 come tomorrow. Arizona State in my mind, does not deserve a BCS bid. Sure they're 9-2, but they haven't beaten anybody good and they just got thrashed on their home field by USC. I think Illinois has a chance to sneak into the Fiesta, but if Oklahoma wins next week, your going to be in a situation where 3 Big 12 teams deserve a BCS bid.

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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:08 am



Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 1):
I just don't see how you can take a 4 loss team that's lost 2 in a row and put them in the Rose Bowl.

Okay, imagine this:

Dec. 1: UA upsets AZ State (hell, they beat Oregon)
UCLA upsets USC (happened last year)

That would give UCLA the Rose Bowl berth, with a 7-5 record.

Likely? No way. Would I bet against it? Not in THIS conference.
 
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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:11 am



Quoting Saxdiva (Reply 16):

Okay, imagine this:

Dec. 1: UA upsets AZ State (hell, they beat Oregon)
UCLA upsets USC (happened last year)

That would give UCLA the Rose Bowl berth, with a 7-5 record.

Likely? No way. Would I bet against it? Not in THIS conference.

Thats different. UCLA would get the automatic bid for being pac-10 champion. It's different for the at-large bids, and Michigan has ZERO chance of getting one.
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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:20 am



Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 17):
It's different for the at-large bids, and Michigan has ZERO chance of getting one.

It's just as well either way, since I'm kinda pulling for the Betty Crocker Cupcake bowl or something on that scale. I can't remember the last time we actually WON a bowl game, so I'd rather not be embarrassed (again) in the national spotlight.
 
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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:27 am



Quoting Saxdiva (Reply 18):
since I'm kinda pulling for the Betty Crocker Cupcake bowl

How about the Manute Bowl....think about it folks.  Wink

Or you could match up with FSU in the only bowl fit for a Nole...the Toilet Bowl.

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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:29 am



Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 15):

I know they don't have to, but aren't the Rose Bowl folks really picky about having a Big 10-Pac 10 matchup?

The Rose Bowl does like to have Pac 10-Big 10, but they have gone against this in the past (the 2005 Rose Bowl featured Texas defeating Michigan due to USC playing in the National Championship game. In 2003, Oklahoma beat Washington State in the Rose Bowl as well. In neither case was the Rose Bowl the National Championship Game. If there's a better team out there than Illinois (which I think will happen unless a lot of teams lose next weekend, which is highly unlikely), then the Rose Bowl will most likely go for that team. I'm pretty sure the Rose Bowl would get first dibs on an at-large team to replace the team that is in the National Championship if tOSU plays WVU (since the Big East doesn't have a BCS bowl tie-in), so I could see them taking Kansas/Mizzou/Georgia over Illinois. I'd think UGA would be the first choice in that case - I'm sure Dawg fans would love the chance to go out to Southern California for a BCS bowl game.
 
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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:33 pm



Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 15):
I know they don't have to, but aren't the Rose Bowl folks really picky about having a Big 10-Pac 10 matchup?

No. Michigan played Texas in the Rose Bowl just a couple years ago.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 17):
and Michigan has ZERO chance of getting one.

Do you only come out to hate on Michigan?

Yes, Michigan is going to be playing in December this year.
 
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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:06 pm



Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 1):

Very nice, but lets not forget the Alamo is not a BCS game, IIRC. MSU is going to either Orlando or Tempe, depending on what happens to Illinois, if they get a BCS at-large, MSU will probably go to the Champ Sports in Orlando, if not, the Insight Bowl in AZ.

That is what I am hearing around EL
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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:28 pm

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 22):
SU is going to either Orlando or Tempe, depending on what happens to Illinois, if they get a BCS at-large, MSU will probably go to the Champ Sports in Orlando, if not, the Insight Bowl in AZ.

If Ohio State does make it to the championship game, here's how I think the rest of the Big Ten will play out with the bowl tie-ins:

National Championship: Ohio State vs. West Virginia
At Large -Rose/Fiesta/Sugar: Illinois vs.
Capital One: Wisconsin vs. Florida
Outback: Michigan vs. Tennessee
Alamo: Penn State vs. Texas Tech
Champs Sports: Indiana vs. Clemson
Insight: Michigan State vs. Texas A&M
Motor City: Purdue vs. Central Michigan

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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:53 pm



Quoting D L X (Reply 21):

Do you only come out to hate on Michigan?

Thats not hating on Michigan. Thats just an objective analysis of the bowl picture. Anyone thinking Michigan has a shot at the Rose Bowl is delusional. Fine, anyone thinking Wisconsin has a chance at going there is delusional as well. Happy? No hating here...
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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:59 pm



Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 22):
MSU will probably go to the Champ Sports in Orlando, if not, the Insight Bowl in AZ.

Michigan State should be a decent draw in they play in the Insight Bowl, better come to the game, since its on the NFL Network..
 
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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:06 pm

I hope Michigan doesn't play in the Rose Bowl, I have enough common sense to know that we don't deserve it. If its a Big Ten team, I hope it's Illinois.

If Missouri plays like they did last night against Oklahoma, it will be tOSU in the Rose Bowl.
 
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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:06 pm



Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 23):
If Ohio State does make it to the championship game.....At Large -Rose/Fiesta/Sugar: Illinois vs.

There are too many 1 loss and 2 loss teams above them for them to have a chance for a BCS game even with losses above them next weekend. Just go ahead and make reservations for Tampa or Orlando against the Gators.
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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:18 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 27):
Just go ahead and make reservations for Tampa or Orlando against the Gators.

Yes well I'm not an Illinois fan, thanks anyways though lol. But then again the Badgers are bound to be playing in one of those two cities so in a sense you are right. (I'm a Badger fan btw)  

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RE: Michigan In The Rose Bowl?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:24 am



Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 19):
If by sheer craziness UCLA were to win the Pac10 you'd be stuck with Karl Dorrell another year...pray that doesn't happen.

I get ill even thinking about this.

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