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Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:28 am

During my last trip to LA, we noticed a homeless woman. My wife, who more than willingly tries to give homeless snacks instead of money, decided NOT to help this time.

Why? (We should have taken a picture for evidence)

She was a 'Vegetarian' homeless. Written exactly that way...we said 'huh'?

To top it off, she was on the very heavy set side.

What say you?
 
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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:30 am



Quoting AndesSMF (Thread starter):
What say you?

I can beat this one easily.

Down in Santa Monica, there is, and I quote, a homeless guy holding a sign saying "I'm not going to lie, I need money for booze and drugs".

I gave him a C-note Big grin

*I did NOT give him a C-note, I gave him nothing.
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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:37 am

As a rule I don't generally like vegetarians. I find them shifty. I don't really trust their motivations or outlook on life. I know some nice ones, but they're rare.

Therefore maybe I would be choosy and not help her. However I guess if you'd been a vegetarian all your life and suddenly found yourself homeless, would be difficult to them switch to meat.
 
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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:53 am



Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 1):
Down in Santa Monica, there is, and I quote, a homeless guy holding a sign saying "I'm not going to lie, I need money for booze and drugs".

Saw a derivative of this in Austin last week. It said "Why Lie? I need beer."
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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:03 am



Quoting Skywatch (Reply 3):

Ahh Austin  Smile
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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:10 am

I don't think she was lying, we thought it was interesting how she limited herself while going hungry, supposedly, as she may have weighed about 250 lbs.
 
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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:53 am

Honestly, most homeless are there by choice so I say don't help them.

Choice meaning drug or alcohol dependency and not willing to get (free) help, refusal to take medication for psychological problems, or any number of other personal choices to put them on the streets. No matter what the lefties say, in the USA if you want help, you can get help to get back on your feet.

The worst are the pretend veterans..

I can go on hour long rants about the "homeless," but I won't.
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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:00 am

No. If they want help, there are better things to be doing than panhandling.
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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:00 am

I wouldn't have given her money. If I'm going to give money to homeless people, I want a laugh in return. I've seen the amusing signs listed above in Toronto and I'll toss them some pocket change. The sob stories I could care less about.
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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:18 am



Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 1):

Down in Santa Monica, there is, and I quote, a homeless guy holding a sign saying "I'm not going to lie, I need money for booze and drugs".

I gave him a C-note



Quoting Skywatch (Reply 3):

Saw a derivative of this in Austin last week. It said "Why Lie? I need beer."

Both of these are commonplace here in Boulder...
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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:59 am

Sadly enough 9 times out of 10 they are going to purchase alcohol, drugs, or tobacco with it. I see it with my job and dealing with it on the streets (mostly panhandling and citizen complaints).

It depends on my mood. I've given out $20 before because I thought they were "legitimate" and were going to do "good" with it. It's usually during the holidays if I do it.

It's the gesture that counts the most, personally.
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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:24 am



Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 5):
I don't think she was lying, we thought it was interesting how she limited herself while going hungry, supposedly, as she may have weighed about 250 lbs.

So? She's big, homeless and a vegetarian. In my experience, vegetarianism isn't about not letting yourself eat meat, it's not like when someone goes on a diet and stops eating carbohydrates. For whatever reason, she does not agree with eating meat, and that's her decision, homeless or not.

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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:58 am

we can thank the ACLU for at least part of the homelessness problem, they won a major court case back in the 60s or 70s that basically threw open the doors to mental institutions, because people were no longer allowed to be kept there against their will, those people, with no ability to hold down a job and support themselves, as society requires, became a percentage of the homeless population.

I think we can also thank family dysfunctionality for another percentage, people have bad turns in life, they've burned their bridges with their kids, brothers, sisters, parents, so they're forced to live in the street.

as for the original question, a 250 pound vegetarian homeless woman? she's not getting any of my money. then again, i generally dont give money to the homeless.
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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:19 pm

Never give money to a panhandler. If they claim it's for food, offer to buy them soup and a sandwich. If they turn it down, then you know damn nicely that they want the money for booze or drugs.
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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:54 pm

I dont tend to give the homeless money, partly because I dont have much myslef but because, like previously stated i dont want to hear the sob stories. There is a guy in bath who dresses up in different outfits that im pretty sure he has made himself (pirate, native american etc.) and I have given him some change before.

A few weeks ago I was stood behind a homeless guy in a shop and he had the loveliest dog with him, a Yorkshire bull terrier that when I stroked rolled over and showed its tummy, the man was buying dog food and he was about 20p short and he walked off and started to cry, I was quite touched and so bought him the dog food and took it out to him outside.

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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:10 pm



Quoting Doona (Reply 11):
She's big, homeless and a vegetarian. In my experience, vegetarianism isn't about not letting yourself eat meat, it's not like when someone goes on a diet and stops eating carbohydrates. For whatever reason, she does not agree with eating meat, and that's her decision, homeless or not.

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Most vegetarians are vegetarians out of moralic reasons. I don't see why a person shouldn't share this point of view if he or she is homeless.

As for her weight problem. Perhaps she hasn't been homeless for long.

Whether you give or not is a very personal decision, but in this particular case, your reasons are a bit superficial.
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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:16 pm



Quoting Flipdewaf (Reply 14):
Flipdewaf

I'd have doen the same thing. That dog could have been the only thing the guy had left, and possibly his only friend. Bless your heart.
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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:38 pm

You never know, she could have been a Malibu fire victim...  Wink
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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:06 pm



Quoting Doona (Reply 11):
she does not agree with eating meat, and that's her decision, homeless or not.

When you claim hunger, have something to back it up. If you are REALLY hungry, you accept whatever food is given to you.

Quoting Flipdewaf (Reply 14):
A few weeks ago I was stood behind a homeless guy in a shop and he had the loveliest dog with him, a Yorkshire bull terrier that when I stroked rolled over and showed its tummy, the man was buying dog food and he was about 20p short and he walked off and started to cry, I was quite touched and so bought him the dog food and took it out to him outside.

Have seen this as well, a homeless guy whose only reason for living was to keep taking care of his dog. I would have done the same as you.
 
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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:19 pm

Some of those homless arn't really homeless,they are on the streets every day in rags beggin for cash,at the end of the day they pack up,walk down a ally,pack away their rags in a bag and head for the car park where they have a expensive car and head home o a house,a wife and kids,this was shown a while ago on a uk tv programme called Roger cook investigates. I never had and never will give money or food to the homless,why do you think the Government is there for and the state benefit,which is also there to be used,so use it.

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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:24 pm

I actually favor the ones with funny signs. At least they aren't trying to BS me with some sort of sob story about 10 kids and a Corgis.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 6):
Honestly, most homeless are there by choice so I say don't help them.

Actually, most suffer from some sort of mental illness, which they had no choice in.
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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:24 pm

I personally don't give to the homeless. Our systems means they have various benefits for them to fall on before they reach the state of homelessness, wether it be the free medal care you get on the NHS to treat mental or physical problems, or just benifits.#
Some homeless are there by their own fault, such as being an alcoholic, drug addict etc, these are the ones I certainly don't help, as harsh as this may sound, if they got themselves down their, they can pick themselves back up.
Ofcourse this is not to tar everyone with the same brush, I'm sure there are many homeless people who held stable jobs etc and just happened to slip up or those that can't help being homeless.
However, bearing in mind their are over 50 different types of benefits, numerous charities and money raising events (such as Red Nose day), , there is usually atleast one form of money people can get in this society. Heck, you can get money for being too fat to work now so I doubt they'll strugle to find a benifit to suit them.
Failing that, there's that thing called a job that lots of them never seem to be able to hold down, in my eyes, if you need a job bad enough, you'll do anything, no mater how much you dislike it or how low paid it is, you'd be surprised how much you can achieve when you've got no other option and all hope rests on this one thing.

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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:45 pm

I feel sorry for real homeless but there are way too many phoneys out there...and just plain ungrateful bastards! A few weeks ago I was out with some work colleagues and we came across a panhandler. One, rather too generous colleague gave him a $5 and the bastard then asked in the snootiest tone if he had another for him!!!

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 13):
Never give money to a panhandler. If they claim it's for food, offer to buy them soup and a sandwich. If they turn it down, then you know damn nicely that they want the money for booze or drugs.

 checkmark  For about a six month period my father used to commute to London by train. At Waterloo station he saw the same guy each day with a dog and a sign asking for food money...whilst he was swigging on a can of Carlsberg Special Brew  Wink One of my father's meetings got cancelled at short notice and to sort of piss him off he decided to take the guy to Pret-A-Manger, a sandwich shop. He seemed appreciative and then asked if my father had any money for dog food...to which my father went to a Spar shop type place nearby and bought some cans of Pedigree Chum. Unfortunately he forgot to buy the guy a can opener and the guy lambasted him the following morning  biggrin 
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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:57 pm



Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
Actually, most suffer from some sort of mental illness, which they had no choice in.

They choose not to get help that is free to them if they want it.

Before you argue with me. What do you do that has you interacting with the homeless and groups that help the homeless regularly?
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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:58 pm



Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 23):

They choose not to get help that is free to them if they want it.

How does someone mentally ill necessarily choose anything?
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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:06 am

I never give to the 'homeless'. Instead, I give money and goods to the Salvation Army or other such organizations. To quote an old saying as to give or not to the 'homeless' - Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish, they he can feed himself for life. Private organizations, numerous government agencies and programs are in place and should be dealing with the homeless.
While some small percentage of the homeless are full time frauds, most are persons with mental/psychlogical illness, drug/alcohol addictions, limited employment skills or education, a lack of family structure and probably a combination of these problems. Some also lose their place of residence due to job losses, debt along with the previously mentioned problems, making it impossible to collect disability, social security, welfare, get a job or make other income. The high price of housing, the decrease in cheap and affordable housing along with decline pay of many jobs and the lack of job security may be adding to the homeless today.
 
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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:36 am



Quoting N1120A (Reply 24):
How does someone mentally ill necessarily choose anything?

At some point they have probably been through an emergency detention.. where they were forced to take their meds. During the time they were on the meds they probably had a few moments of clarity where they could make decisions.

Also, at some point in their lives they probably had family that cared about them and tried to get them to take their drugs.

At some point they stopped taking their meds for various reasons (the side effects can be nasty with some of those meds), and now they are on the streets... Except when the city has a big tourist event coming up, then they all get put in jail or otherwise hidden.
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RE: Would You Help This Homeless?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:12 am



Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 8):

You'd like bum fights then. Some asshole gives bums a few bucks to hurt/humiliate themselves or others. Homeless people are not there for entertainment. It doesn't matter if he's holding a stupid sign or one that says "wife sick, no job, 3 kids". If you have the means to help them (and that means a few dollars) do it!
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