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If Colombia And Venezuela Go To War.......

Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:18 pm

Chavez To Freeze Relations With Colombia (by Captaink Nov 25 2007 in Non Aviation)

This thread got me thinking......if Venezuela and Colombia were to start an armed conflict between them, what do you believe to be the answers to the following questions.....

1.- Based on military equipment and training, what country would have the upper hand in the air, land and sea?

2.- Colombia is very experienced in guerilla warfare, is the Venezuelan army trained to counteract this?

3.- Has Venezuela been able to fully integrate all the recent military purchases?

4.- Would the US help Colombia by means of intelligence, training, equipment?......or even get directly involved?

What do you think?
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Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:58 pm

Those questions only marginally touch military aviation and hence should be moved to the NonAv Forum.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:24 pm

I do not think a majority of that war would be fought in the air. Colombia has significant interest in their drug operations to protect it to the end. They also have a big war-chest for military spending. Venezuela has a better air force, but that can't win a war that will be fought in the jungle.
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Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:28 pm



Quoting Marcus (Thread starter):

4.- Would the US help Colombia by means of intelligence, training, equipment?......or even get directly involved?

The Inter-American Treaty of Reciprocal Assistance (commonly known as the Rio Treaty, the Rio Pact, or by the Spanish-language acronym TIAR from Tratado Interamericano de Asistencia Recíproca) was an agreement ratified on 1947 in Rio de Janeiro[1] among many American countries. The central principle contained in its articles is that an attack against one is to be considered an attack against them all; this was known as the "hemispheric defense" doctrine.

Signatories:
Argentina, Bahamas, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Trinidad and Tobago, United States, Uruguay, Venezuela.


I'm still inclined to believe such a scenario is very unlikely, at least a full-blown war, but would be nice to see tensions calm down. Chavez totally over-reacted in regards to what happened in Colombia.
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RE: If Colombia And Venezuela Go To War.......

Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:54 pm



Quoting N74JW (Reply 2):
Colombia has significant interest in their drug operations to protect it to the end.

No, those would be the FARC, who may side with Hugo Chávez in case Venezuela declares war against Colombia. The Colombian government is on the US side of the War on Drugs, remember? If, then it's Bolivia who has a possible drug operation to protect (Evo Morales, who himself is politically backed by Chávez, was originally a coca farmer before become Bolivian President).
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:23 am



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 4):
remember?

Sure, if you believe the Colombian government is not in on the MASSIVE drug industry in it's own country, then I have a bridge over the Delaware River you may be interested in purchasing. Wake up... As long as people in Colombia, Mexico, and the US are making money from drugs coming out of Colombia, it will never stop.
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:03 am



Quoting N74JW (Reply 2):
a war that will be fought in the jungle.

Will such a war really be fought in the jungle ? Or will it be a matter about the larger cities ? And are the Colombian troops really so much geared for fighting in the jungle. National "ideology" sometimes differs from realities, so that I might question the readiness of those people living in the jungles to risk their lives for the "Republic of Colombia". In this I may be in a complete error, so that any Colombian to tacke these questions might be welcome.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:18 am

Colombia would be backed by the US in such a conflict, and probably come out on top, due to superior technologies and fighting tactics. Our Intelligence would definitely help as well.
Venezuela could cause problems by surging funds to leftist guerrilla groups in Colombia to create inner turmoil, but in the end, Colombia would triumph.
I think Chavez is stupid, but not stupid enough to risk an all out war with his Andean neighbors and in effect, the US.

The US already has personnel in there now unofficially, it wouldn't take much to get more support in there though.
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:31 am



Quoting Marcus (Thread starter):
2.- Colombia is very experienced in guerilla warfare, is the Venezuelan army trained to counteract this?

Probably not nearly as well, but no biggie. Their FARC comrades would take care of the jungle front.
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:35 am



Quoting Marcus (Thread starter):
This thread got me thinking......if Venezuela and Colombia were to start an armed conflict between them, what do you believe to be the answers to the following questions.....

Highly doubt this will happen. I dont think Chavez is that stupid. Not only do I think Colombia can handle Venezuela by itself but Columbia will get help from the US and the US will just not allow Columbia to lose if war did every break out which I highly doubt it will.
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:56 pm

There is no reason for a war, what happens now it´s a diplomatic incident and should be solved soon. Right now both Countries aren´t fight for land or for oil sources...so there is no reason for an attack...
In fact both Countries have an economic relation and the flow of product to and from each Country has been increasing through the last years.
There is a war, but only a war of words...should be fixed soon...Colombia has been always very diplomatic and there is no chance of shoot, even more when we consider Venezuela as our twin brother.
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:03 pm



Quoting Marcus (Thread starter):
1.- Based on military equipment and training, what country would have the upper hand in the air, land and sea?

The US will have its perfect excuse to invade Venezuela through "Plan Colombia"

Quoting Marcus (Thread starter):
2.- Colombia is very experienced in guerilla warfare, is the Venezuelan army trained to counteract this?

Yes, that's how they annihilate any thoughtful mind.

Quoting Marcus (Thread starter):
3.- Has Venezuela been able to fully integrate all the recent military purchases?

I hope not.

Quoting Marcus (Thread starter):
4.- Would the US help Colombia by means of intelligence, training, equipment?......or even get directly involved?

The US is already involved on Colombia's side, even though it's for drugs and not the Drug Addict (Chavez).

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Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:29 pm

Whenever Colombia has the USA behind it, Guyana the U.K. and Brazil its own size, given the unpredictability and emotional fits of Chavez, the situation is dangerous nevertheless.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:30 pm



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 6):
will it be a matter about the larger cities

Not unless they get through the jungle.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 6):
Will such a war really be fought in the jungle

Yes, if it is fought the jungles will be battlefields.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 6):
are the Colombian troops really so much geared for fighting in the jungle

yes.
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RE: If Colombia And Venezuela Go To War.......

Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:49 pm

Actually, Iran could get involved, and Cuba (through covert means which they still can cause serious problems for all countries), on the side of Venezuela.

Wow, WWIII could start in South America?

Argentina would stay neutral, again, of course.  Wink
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:59 pm

Maybe not full blown war but what about border skirmishes?.....just like the one between Peru and Ecuador a few years back.

Venezuela has already been involved in situations like this with it's neighbours in recent times, so it is not a crazy idea.....Chavez has recently gone on a shopping spree for military equipment, do it's neighbours have something similar in capability to counter this threat?

I know that this scenario sounds far fetched, but do you really think that he's been arming himself because the US is just dying to invade Venezuela?....or is he planning something that might make the US react in that way?
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:16 am

Go Chavez! I really like him and the he thinks..........I hope we could have a man like him down here to confront the problems that Uruguay have.
 
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RE: If Colombia And Venezuela Go To War.......

Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:53 am



Quoting PU752 (Reply 16):
Go Chavez! I really like him and the he thinks

Excuse me? You like that murderer dictator, a man who has eliminated civil liberties and human rights in Venezuela?
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:58 am

If Venezuela wars on Columbia, Hugo better realize the only one in the America's on his side-besided Alberchico will be Fidel Castro. The U.S., Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina-well, the entire hemisphere, in fact, will be lined up against him, and he wouldn't survive an all-out conflict, wherre Columbia is being given U.S. assistance, and probably U.S. assets to fight the confict.

Quoting PU752 (Reply 16):
Go Chavez! I really like him and the he thinks..........I hope we could have a man like him down here to confront the problems that Uruguay have.

Uh, I stand corrected-someone else likes that thug as well.  Yeah sure
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:19 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 18):
The U.S., Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina-well, the entire hemisphere, in fact, will be lined up against him

USA... the electorate won't be in the mood for any armed conflicts in the foreseeable future.
Canada... eh?
Mexico... bound by the Estrada Doctrine of ''nonintervention in the affairs of another state."
Brazil... in the words of Carlos Alberto Montaner, "a giant with feet of clay and a soccer ball for a head."
Argentina... countries in the southern cone would remain indifferent.
Bolivia, Cuba, Ecuador, and Nicaragua... all firmly on Chavez's side.
Panama... abolished its modest armed forces soon after the fall of Noriega.
Any remaining countries that might be sympathetic to Colombia... militarily irrelevant in this context.

As for the Inter-American Treaty of Reciprocal Assistance (1947) aka Rio Treaty, former Mexican President Fox once called it "useless and obsolete" prior to withdrawing from the pact altogether.

Quoting PU752 (Reply 16):
Go Chavez! I really like him and the he thinks..........I hope we could have a man like him down here to confront the problems that Uruguay have.

The kid is suicidal. Here's a book for you to read after school.
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:00 am



Quoting PPVRA (Reply 3):
The Inter-American Treaty of Reciprocal Assistance (commonly known as the Rio Treaty, the Rio Pact, or by the Spanish-language acronym TIAR from Tratado Interamericano de Asistencia Recíproca) was an agreement ratified on 1947 in Rio de Janeiro[1] among many American countries. The central principle contained in its articles is that an attack against one is to be considered an attack against them all; this was known as the "hemispheric defense" doctrine.

Signatories:
Argentina, Bahamas, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Trinidad and Tobago, United States, Uruguay, Venezuela.

The cuban govt has been a thorn on the US side and has instigated conflict trying to push communism in central america. This treaty lost it's validity since the 60s when Cuba formed and alliance with the Soviets really.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 17):
Quoting PU752 (Reply 16):
Go Chavez! I really like him and the he thinks

Excuse me? You like that murderer dictator, a man who has eliminated civil liberties and human rights in Venezuela?

I wouldn't even waste my time LTU...

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 18):
If Venezuela wars on Columbia

Columbia, Maryland? If El Loco Hugo is loco enough to start a war with us he's getting nuked.

you mean ColOmbia.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:40 am



Quoting PU752 (Reply 16):
Go Chavez! I really like him and the he thinks..........I hope we could have a man like him down here to confront the problems that Uruguay have.

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I presume you are joking ?
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:54 am



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 21):
I presume you are joking ?

Are you surprised? The millions of uneducated miserables keep electing these types in Latin America, sadly.


One look at the Chavez supporters and they look like they're related to the indigents that wanted Lopez Obrador to win in Mexico.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:41 pm



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 22):
I presume you are joking ?

Are you surprised?

In a way yes, as I supposed that it by now would be clear to people using the internet, that Mr Chavez is what is called a Hazardeur in the worst possible sense.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:25 pm



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 22):
The millions of uneducated miserables keep electing these types in Latin America, sadly.

I find quite an aggressive answer from you though......everyone can have their opinion in politics so whats the deal if I support Chavez? thats makes me uneducated and miserable, who says? you? lol ......fortunately I have a good education, a good social level, and the best profession in the world, Pilot.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:26 pm



Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 7):
Colombia would be backed by the US in such a conflict, and probably come out on top, due to superior technologies and fighting tactics. Our Intelligence would definitely help as well.



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 18):
The U.S., Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina-well, the entire hemisphere, in fact, will be lined up against him, and he wouldn't survive an all-out conflict, wherre Columbia is being given U.S. assistance, and probably U.S. assets to fight the confict.

The US might feed Colombia intelligence, but it would be extremely unlikely the US would take sides in public (and even less likely, get involved), even if it wanted one side or the other to win.

In 1982, President Reagan privately told PM Thatcher that while he supported her cause and the British in general leading up to the Falklands War, his administration couldn't publicly support her given the US relationship with Argentina. I believe that as the war went on, the US tilted more publicly in favor of the UK. And that was a case in which there was a clear aggressor (Argentina).

I would bet the US would try to stay as neutral as possible given our reputation in general in Latin America.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:33 pm



Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 25):
The US might feed Colombia intelligence, but it would be extremely unlikely the US would take sides in public (and even less likely, get involved), even if it wanted one side or the other to win.

Wrong. When it comes to old Hugo, fair or not, the U.S. is going to take public sides, and will take the sides of those opposing Chavez, since he is a potential threat to freedom in South America. The U.S. would take an active side with Columbia. It may be short of troops, but it could include fighter aircraft, flown by Americans; AWACS for intelligence gathering, and the like. The U.S. will take sides, make no mistake of it.

Quoting PU752 (Reply 24):
everyone can have their opinion in politics so whats the deal if I support Chavez?

The deal is he's a soon-to-be dictator; the deal is he is aligning himself with some of the most dangerous regimes in the world-Iran and the DRPK come to mind; the deal is that he wants a military far beyond the needs of defense. He's a danger to the Hemisphere. And, anyone who supports him is, I'm sorry to say, ignorant of what he really is-a communist throwback-a modern example of a failed ideology.
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:49 pm



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 26):
Wrong. When it comes to old Hugo, fair or not, the U.S. is going to take public sides, and will take the sides of those opposing Chavez, since he is a potential threat to freedom in South America. The U.S. would take an active side with Columbia. It may be short of troops, but it could include fighter aircraft, flown by Americans; AWACS for intelligence gathering, and the like. The U.S. will take sides, make no mistake of it.

I think the US and even Bush realize that Chavez won't be there forever, and Venezuela can be a very important trading partner (read: oil). US policy is more nuanced than that--there's nothing in it for the US to actively take sides or contribute militarily on any level, in a conflict.

The US is often reluctant to take public sides in wars, even when traditional allies/friends are involved. As I mentioned already, the 1982 Falklands War, as well as the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, the 1973 Yom Kippur War, or the India-Pakistan conflicts.

But I guess your crystal ball is better and more expensive than mine, so you clearly know better.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:59 pm



Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 27):
But I guess your crystal ball is better and more expensive than mine, so you clearly know better.

Just my opinion, based on the current relations between the two nations, and Chavez's constant saber-rattling. He'd be virtually isolated if he opens war on anyone in the Hemisphere.
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:00 pm



Quoting PU752 (Reply 24):
whats the deal if I support Chavez? t

well, this leads to a few questions :
> do you think that Mr Chavez will have success in the end + reconcile his brand of socialism with economic progress ?
> wouldn't an Uruguayan equivalent to Mr Chavez make relations with Brazil and Argentina difficult ?
> what are the main exports of your country ?
> do you regard the rough ways of Mr Chavez when dealing with other nations a productive approach ?
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:12 pm

Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 25):
the US would try to stay as neutral as possible

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I would WELCOME a "staying neutral" of the USA, whatever the outcome.
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 26):
it could include fighter aircraft, flown by Americans

Do I go wrong in expecting more sophisticated military equipment flowing from the USA to Colombia in the coming weeks and months ?
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Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 27):
1967 Arab-Israeli War, the 1973 Yom Kippur War,

the Israelis embarked into the June67 campaign upon an approval of President Lyndon B Johnson, and in the Ramadan War, the USA started extensive supplies to Israel within 24 hours of the start of that war
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 28):
He'd be virtually isolated if he opens war on anyone in the Hemisphere.

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he already IS isolated, and might feel like getting into a campaign upon Guayana, in view of the political situation around Prime Minister Gordon Brown right at present --- but THIS calculation may well be wrong
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:56 pm



Quoting Marcus (Reply 15):
Maybe not full blown war but what about border skirmishes?.....just like the one between Peru and Ecuador a few years back.

Yep, i bet on that, if anything happens at all. What would anyone, even HChaves profit from such conflict....maybe cheaper cocaine?

Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 27):
I think the US and even Bush realize that Chavez won't be there forever, and Venezuela can be a very important trading partner (read: oil).



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 28):
He'd be virtually isolated if he opens war on anyone in the Hemisphere.

That might really play a bigger part than we think.

Chaves might appear as the greatest pain in the butt for the US and now for Colombia, but in detail it's plain to see that he barely scratches (if much) their credibility. Apart from extending his sorry gov't indefinitely, the domestic turmoils and a bunch of crap thrown in the international affairs fan (all discussed here previously), what really did he accomplish?
Chaves is way more poisonous to Venezuelans themselves and it's them who should get a helping hand from the USA or the "not-pro-hugo" South American community to wage a war on him....
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:11 pm



Quoting PU752 (Reply 16):
Go Chavez! I really like him and the he thinks..........I hope we could have a man like him down here to confront the problems that Uruguay have.

Views like that are certainly not going to make you any pals on this site. I reccomend a little reasearch into his history and actions in recent times.
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:41 pm

They should goto war. The Venezuelan Army could not fight itself out of a paper bag. The only problem I would foresee is that Cuba will provide Venezuela with aid in intelligence, guerrilla fighting and equipment.
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:45 pm



Quoting MIA (Reply 33):
They should goto war. The Venezuelan Army could not fight itself out of a paper bag. The only problem I would foresee is that Cuba will provide Venezuela with aid in intelligence, guerrilla fighting and equipment.

Why should they be a war? are you willing to actively fight on the lines for the Colombian side or are you going to be another armchair war combatant (sitting in the confort of your home)?

Do you think that war has proven to be the solution to anything? Have you ever lived in a country where war is taking place? If so is that an experience you are so willing to try again?
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:10 pm



Quoting N710PS (Reply 32):
Views like that are certainly not going to make you any pals on this site. I reccomend a little reasearch into his history and actions in recent times.

You're probably right, its not that Im a politics fan or something like that.........I just like the guy and how he talks its kinda funny thats it , not a big deal...........Im not in this forums because I like politics, so Im not going to talk about something I don't know to talk in a deep way though.......I also came across with one of their pilots when I was flying around when he visited montevideo couple of months ago and his FO of IIRC a Falcon was really nice guy when I asked a couple of questions.

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Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:43 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 20):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 18):
If Venezuela wars on Columbia

Columbia, Maryland? If El Loco Hugo is loco enough to start a war with us he's getting nuked.

you mean ColOmbia.

Colombia in English is Columbia... in German Kolumbien...in French Colombie, and so on...
The word comes from the great discover called Columbus (Colon in Spanish, Columbus in English).

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Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:49 pm



Quoting Bongo (Reply 36):
Colombia in English is Columbia

I respecfully disagree. Colombia is Colombia, not Columbia (which are plenty of places in the US).

In a similar vein, Ecuador is Ecuador in English, NOT Equator.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:23 pm

The name Columbia was apparently the very first name of the United States, however it seems to have fallen out of use once the Republic of Colombia in South America was founded. However both Columbia and Colombia are indeed related to the name of Christoper Columbus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_%28name%29

It's a common misconception that Colombia automatically means Columbia in English. Colombia in English, Spanish and Italian is Colombia, and AFAIK only Germany replaces the second O in Colombia with a U in the name Kolumbien and in Portuguese, Colombia has an O with circumflex in the second O (making it Colômbia).
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:33 pm



Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 19):
USA... the electorate won't be in the mood for any armed conflicts in the foreseeable future.

I wouldn't be to sure about that. It wouldn't take much for the US to get involved. At the very least, the US will be sending money and supplies down that way.

Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 19):
Canada... eh?

Considering Canada's recent endeavors in South America, money and supplies will probably head south from Canada as well.

Quoting PU752 (Reply 24):
fortunately I have a good education, a good social level, and the best profession in the world, Pilot.

Citizens of Venezuela in your position are preparing to kiss that all goodbye at this point.
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:26 pm



Quoting TheCol (Reply 39):
Citizens of Venezuela in your position are preparing to kiss that all goodbye at this point.

They already have. After all, Chavez is for the poor, not the middle class or higher.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:31 pm



Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 40):
After all, Chavez is for the poor, not the middle class or higher.

Chávez isn't even for the poor. He's just for himself and his personal ambitions and interests. Chávez simply uses the poor as a means to an end, and I can guarantee you that should he manage to fully consolidated his power, he will no longer need the poor.
 
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RE: If Colombia And Venezuela Go To War.......

Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:32 am



Quoting Bongo (Reply 36):
Colombia in English is Columbia... in German Kolumbien...in French Colombie, and so on...
The word comes from the great discover called Columbus (Colon in Spanish, Columbus in English).

No it's not, you are pretty uneducated bro, unless you're kidding? Find out what Columbia means in English. Yes it's a common mistake made but that doesn't mean it is correct.

Quoting MIA" class=quote target=_blank>MIA (Reply 33):
They should goto war. The Venezuelan Army could not fight itself out of a paper bag. The only problem I would foresee is that Cuba will provide Venezuela with aid in intelligence, guerrilla fighting and equipment.

Cuba's old Migs and obsolete helicopters will make the war end quicker if anything
MIA please check your PM.

Quoting PU752 (Reply 24):
you? lol ......fortunately I have a good education, a good social level, and the best profession in the world, Pilot.

For supposedly having a good education the following says the opposite: "I hope we could have a man like him down here to confront the problems that Uruguay have". I mean, I don't know what kind of education you have, but that's not very impressive.

Besides, you guys already have a socialist (and a good president for Latin American standards, even more for socialist standards). Why would you want a communist who wants to make a referendum to appoint himself president-for-life? It shows you don't have a clue.
 
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RE: If Colombia And Venezuela Go To War.......

Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:46 am



Quoting Bongo (Reply 36):
Colombia in English is Columbia...

um, lol sure it is...


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RE: If Colombia And Venezuela Go To War.......

Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:10 am



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 41):
Ch�vez simply uses the poor as a means to an end, and I can guarantee you that should he manage to fully consolidated his power, he will no longer need the poor.

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He is not the first in history to use the poor to get up and then rely on his apparatchiks
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AND, I have just on Tuesday seen a report about his motorbike-militia and thought that Messrs Ulyanov, Bronstein and Dshugashvili would have loved to have such a troop at hand !

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