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Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:42 pm

Hi,

From Dec. 21 to Jan. 1st my buddy and I want to buy a ticket from YYC to BUD and it comes out pretty damn expensive. It's about 2000/person dollars with BA. If I buy one to MUC, it'll only be 1500 / person, which means we'll have 1000 dollars to rent a car and have a nice drive there. We can see a bit of Germany, Austria (maybe go into Bratislava) and of course Hungary. I have a few questions:

1. How long will it take me to drive from MUC to BUD? Google maps sais it's about 1000 km and it will take me about 10 hours. Is that realistic? Can you average out at 100 km/h?

2. Would you recomend an economy car? (I'd like to keep it cheap, but also think about possible winter driving conditions)

3. How much is the liter of gas in Germany / Austria / Hungary?

Any other advice?

Thanks,

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Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:59 pm

Biggest problem might be taking a hire car into another country.

And petrol is very expensive.

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Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:17 pm



Quoting Vio (Thread starter):
Can you average out at 100 km/h?

You could, but the problem is local traffic jams. The good thing is that crossing the border into Austria won't be a problem because the border is open thanks to Schengen and you don't need a Schengen visa. This eliminates whatever delay you would have encountered at the German-Austrian border due to customs. However I'd contact the Hungarian and Slovakian embassies first about crossing the border between Austria and Slovakia/Hungary by car, just in case.

Quoting Vio (Thread starter):
Would you recomend an economy car?

A mid sized compact car (around the size of a Peugeot 207 for example) or a regular sedan should be good enough for casual driving between countries.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:30 pm

Have you thought about taking the train?

Quoting Vio (Thread starter):
Can you average out at 100 km/h?

If you are driving straight through, probably. The speed limit in Austria, which is where most of your driving will be, is 130 km/h, and you should easily get the same 20 km/h upward pad you get in Canada.

Quoting Vio (Thread starter):


3. How much is the liter of gas in Germany / Austria / Hungary?

Expensive/Less Expensive/Least Expensive

Quoting Vio (Thread starter):

2. Would you recomend an economy car? (I'd like to keep it cheap, but also think about possible winter driving conditions)

European economy cars are well built for winter driving.

Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 1):
Biggest problem might be taking a hire car into another country.

In general, I believe you can take rentals into any EU country without too much issue. At times, there are restrictions on the level of car, so getting something like a 207 might be your best bet.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 2):
However I'd contact the Hungarian and Slovakian embassies first about crossing the border between Austria and Slovakia/Hungary by car, just in case.

Hungary and Slovakia implement Schengen for overland borders on the day you arrive in Europe. That means you shouldn't have an issue with border controls.
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:58 pm



Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
If you are driving straight through, probably. The speed limit in Austria, which is where most of your driving will be, is 130 km/h, and you should easily get the same 20 km/h upward pad you get in Canada.

IIRC there were some experiments done in some parts of A1 with the speed limit increased to 160 km/h. I don't know in they kept it though.
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:06 pm



Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 1):
And petrol is very expensive.

yes. I believe gas prices in Germany are aroud US $5.50 per gallon as of Late 2005.

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 4):
with the speed limit increased to 160 km/h.

you drive that speed, you wont get economy. Stick to the right lane @ not more than 120Kph.
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Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 4):
IIRC there were some experiments done in some parts of A1 with the speed limit increased to 160 km/h. I don't know in they kept it though.

I don't know either, but that would be cool.

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 5):

yes. I believe gas prices in Germany are aroud US $5.50 per gallon as of Late 2005.

Apparently, they are less now than last year because of the exchange rates.

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 5):

you drive that speed, you wont get economy. Stick to the right lane @ not more than 120Kph.

And get pulled over for going too slow. The speed limit on most Autobaehne in Austria is 130 km/h. Further, economy depends on a lot of factors. My car consumes less fuel at 90 than at 65
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:47 pm



Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
. The speed limit on most Autobaehne in Austria is 130 km/h. Further, economy depends on a lot of factors. My car consumes less fuel at 90 than at 65

huh? What car do you drive? I have never heard of a car that gets better fuel economy at higher speeds, Wind Resistance is the culprit no matter how aerodynamic your car past a certain point.
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:01 am



Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 5):
you drive that speed, you wont get economy. Stick to the right lane @ not more than 120Kph.

Please, not again  banghead 

I decide what's important for me - time saving or fuel economy. You may bet that if I'm in Europe spending my precious vacation time and I can save some time by driving fast legally, I'll do that.
PS: If you once get to EU, try to rent some smaller car, let's say Skoda Octavia with diesel engine and check your fuel economy while driving 160 km/h. You'd be surprised.
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Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 7):
What car do you drive?

You have seen my car.
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:19 am



Quoting Vio (Thread starter):



Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
In general, I believe you can take rentals into any EU country without too much issue. At times, there are restrictions on the level of car, so getting something like a 207 might be your best bet

Yes, I think is best if you check with the car rental company, last year I rented a car in France and drove all around europe and decided to drive from Berlin to Prague and they wouldnt let us since the car rental company didn't let anyone take the car out to some EU nations (more likely those Eastern European nations ex Communist bloc).

The problem was that we were stopped in the border and hotel reservations etc we lost since we couldn't continue with the car, so best bet if you are to decide on renting a car check to see if they will permit you to take into Hungary.
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:55 am



Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
The speed limit in Austria, which is where most of your driving will be, is 130 km/h

As far as I know, it's 140km/h, but not strictly enforced.
 
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:46 am

EU set a speed limit of 130km/h, so most countries abide by that for highways... Austria does, as does Hungary. Of course, Germany has the Autobahns, so it's sometimes different, but you can probably count on at least 130 in Germany.

Austria had cheaper gas than Hungary... last year, at least.
 
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:35 am

Hi Vio, I think we met at Calgary last May.

Quoting Vio (Thread starter):
1. How long will it take me to drive from MUC to BUD? Google maps sais it's about 1000 km and it will take me about 10 hours. Is that realistic? Can you average out at 100 km/h?

Yes thats certainly possible under normal circumstances. But google maps Link shows its only 684 km in 6 hours 11 minutes. If you take the rout which is shown on the link posted above you can easily average out at 100 km/h because most part of the german highways you are drivin are not speed restricted and the one from Munich Airport to Deggendorf is very well maintained because of the nearby BMW factory  Wink and their testdrives.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
The speed limit in Austria, which is where most of your driving will be, is 130 km/h, and you should easily get the same 20 km/h upward pad you get in Canada.

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Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 4):
IIRC there were some experiments done in some parts of A1 with the speed limit increased to 160 km/h. I don't know in they kept it though.

The experiments where on a different highway and they have come to an end.

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 11):
As far as I know, it's 140km/h, but not strictly enforced.

It's 130.
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:25 am

Hi,

premium gas is about 8$ / gallon at the moment here in Germany (1.45 Euro / liter X 1.47 Dollar / Euro). So driving is relatively expensive, especially when you bring Dollars.
 
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Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Reply 13):
It's 130.

OK, thanks. I dunno where I got 140 from then...

When I lived there almost all the driving I experienced on highways was upwards of 150km/h.  Big grin
 
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:04 pm

I've done that route over 15 times already.

Quoting Vio (Thread starter):
about 10 hours. Is that realistic? Can you average out at 100 km/h?

Yes. But in December and January, there can be tons of snow in Bavaria and Austria - in order to be comfortable, don't hurry and plan at least 12 hours.

Quoting Vio (Thread starter):
2. Would you recomend an economy car? (I'd like to keep it cheap, but also think about possible winter driving conditions)

An economy car should be ok. But be careful: if the roads are snow-covered and you are caught without winter tyres, you have a problem. To make matters worse, IIRC, rental cars usually don't come with winter tyres by default. Often you'll have to ask for them - and pay for them.

Quoting Vio (Thread starter):
3. How much is the liter of gas in Germany / Austria / Hungary?

Here in southern Germany, near Munich, it's about 1.37-1.40 Euros. A hint: Diesel is only 1.30, and you'll consume less. But renting a Diesel might be more expensive.
In Austria, fuel is some 10-20 cents less.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
The speed limit in Austria, which is where most of your driving will be, is 130 km/h, and you should easily get the same 20 km/h upward pad you get in Canada.

No. A buddy of mine got caught with 160, and they nearly took his licence away. IIRC he paid something like 300 Euros.

Speed limits in Austria are to be taken seriously. As mentioned above, the limit is 130 km/h on the autobahns. However, at night, this is mostly reduced to 110 km/h.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
And get pulled over for going too slow.

WTF?

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 8):
If you once get to EU, try to rent some smaller car, let's say Skoda Octavia with diesel engine and check your fuel economy while driving 160 km/h. You'd be surprised.

By European standards, an Octavia isn't a small car. And my advice: Get a diesel and check your fuel economy at 130 km/h. You'll be even more surprised.
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Quoting A342 (Reply 16):
By European standards, an Octavia isn't a small car. And my advice: Get a diesel and check your fuel economy at 130 km/h. You'll be even more surprised.

Noooo, another teenage armchair driving instructor  banghead 
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:29 pm



Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 17):
Noooo, another teenage armchair driving instructor

Do have any arguments to tell us? Yeah sure
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:40 pm



Quoting A342 (Reply 16):
No. A buddy of mine got caught with 160, and they nearly took his licence away. IIRC he paid something like 300 Euros.

The limit for loosing your license is 180 km/h here.

Quoting A342 (Reply 16):
As mentioned above, the limit is 130 km/h on the autobahns. However, at night, this is mostly reduced to 110 km/h.

The night part is incorrect.
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:40 pm

Hey, thanks for all the answers everyone!!! I really appreciate all your feedback!!!

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 2):
A mid sized compact car (around the size of a Peugeot 207 for example)

Yeah, looking at the car, it's not too bad. My friend and I can easily fit in it and bring two luggages as well.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
Have you thought about taking the train?

Yeah, but it'll be too much hassle. I like to have mobility. If i was backpacking, then it'd be different.

Quoting B752fanatic (Reply 10):
Yes, I think is best if you check with the car rental company, last year I rented a car in France and drove all around europe and decided to drive from Berlin to Prague and they wouldnt let us since the car rental company didn't let anyone take the car out to some EU nations (more likely those Eastern European nations ex Communist bloc).

That's a really good point. I may end up going to Romania as well (if we have time. I have some really good friends in Timisoara), but I have to make sure that I'm allowed to take the car there and also that my insurance will cover it.

Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Reply 13):
Hi Vio, I think we met at Calgary last May.

I think we did too. You were with the Austrian guys taking photos in the parking lot by Runway 34 at YYC. How did your trip to Vancouver go? Hope all is well. Thanks for all the info!!!

Quoting Rabenschlag (Reply 14):
premium gas is about 8$ / gallon at the moment here in Germany (1.45 Euro / liter X 1.47 Dollar / Euro). So driving is relatively expensive, especially when you bring Dollars.

Does that count if you bring CAD dollars??? (The loonie has stayed pretty much the same in comparisson to the Euro.

Quoting A342 (Reply 16):
I've done that route over 15 times already

Wow!!! So you know what you're talking about !  Smile

Quoting A342 (Reply 16):
Yes. But in December and January, there can be tons of snow in Bavaria and Austria - in order to be comfortable, don't hurry and plan at least 12 hours.

Awesome. I'd be okay with even 15 hours of driving. I'm not a speed demon, so I don't really care to go too fast.

Quoting A342 (Reply 16):
An economy car should be ok. But be careful: if the roads are snow-covered and you are caught without winter tyres, you have a problem. To make matters worse, IIRC, rental cars usually don't come with winter tyres by default. Often you'll have to ask for them - and pay for them.

Very good advice! I shall ask them for that

Quoting A342 (Reply 16):
Here in southern Germany, near Munich, it's about 1.37-1.40 Euros. A hint: Diesel is only 1.30, and you'll consume less. But renting a Diesel might be more expensive.
In Austria, fuel is some 10-20 cents less.

So would the $(Euros) I'd save on fuel justify renting a Diesel?

Quoting A342 (Reply 16):
No. A buddy of mine got caught with 160, and they nearly took his licence away. IIRC he paid something like 300 Euros.

Speed limits in Austria are to be taken seriously. As mentioned above, the limit is 130 km/h on the autobahns. However, at night, this is mostly reduced to 110 km/h.

I've only been pulled over for speeding once (in LA), but the cop let me go with a warning. I was doing 35mph on a 30 zone. I always drive the speed limit.

Quoting A342 (Reply 16):
By European standards, an Octavia isn't a small car. And my advice: Get a diesel and check your fuel economy at 130 km/h. You'll be even more surprised.

So I take it it's pretty good then huh?


THANKS AGAIN GUYS!!!!!!! YOU ROCK!!!!
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:59 pm



Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Reply 19):
The limit for loosing your license is 180 km/h here.

Alright, maybe they threatened to revoke it temporarily only.

Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Reply 19):
The night part is incorrect.

Are you sure? At least on the A1 (that's the route I've always taken) it has been 110 km/h in the night for many years. Has it been lifted?

Quoting Vio (Reply 20):
So would the $(Euros) I'd save on fuel justify renting a Diesel?

As I've already said, it depends on the rental price, which I don't know very well. If you rent a compact car, I'd say the diesel will save you 1.50 Euro/100km. Once you obtain the quotes, do the math.  Smile

Quoting Vio (Reply 20):
So I take it it's pretty good then huh?

Yes.  Smile
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Quoting A342 (Reply 18):
Do have any arguments to tell us? Yeah sure

You know, what you wrote had zero information value. If you compare 130 and 160 with the same vehicle, the results are obvious, but if you're comparing, lets say, an US Accord with a 2.5 l gasoline engine and 4 AT at 120 and the Octavia 1.9 TDi with 6MT at 160, the results may be surprising for many.

Quoting Vio (Reply 20):
So I take it it's pretty good then huh?

According to the board computer (Octavia 1, 1.9 TDi, 5 MT ) it was around 4.8 l/100 km. But I was alone in the car with my toolkit and some spare parts. BTW, how are your manual transmission skills?
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Quoting A342 (Reply 16):
An economy car should be ok. But be careful: if the roads are snow-covered and you are caught without winter tyres, you have a problem. To make matters worse, IIRC, rental cars usually don't come with winter tyres by default. Often you'll have to ask for them - and pay for them.

I don't think so. Every serious car rental company in Munich (and the whole Alp region, like Switzerland and Austria) will or even must provide winter tyres. It am sure that insurances would not allow anything else.
 
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Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 22):
but if you're comparing, lets say, an US Accord with a 2.5 l gasoline engine and 4 AT at 120 and the Octavia 1.9 TDi with 6MT at 160, the results may be surprising for many.

Did I doubt that? I meant that when you're driving a gasoline and a diesel car at the same speed (~130 km/h), the difference is even more staggering.

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 22):
According to the board computer (Octavia 1, 1.9 TDi, 5 MT ) it was around 4.8 l/100 km.

At 160 km/h? I don't doubt that the board computer displayed this number, but sometimes the indicated figure is a bit of an understatement...
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Quoting Rabenschlag (Reply 14):
is about 8$ / gallon

WOW

Quoting A342 (Reply 16):
it's about 1.37-1.40 Euros

what is the Euro to Dollar about 1 = 1.5?

Quoting Vio (Reply 20):
I was doing 35mph on a 30

I'll have to change my ways of driving.
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:33 pm



Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 22):
According to the board computer (Octavia 1, 1.9 TDi, 5 MT ) it was around 4.8 l/100 km. But I was alone in the car with my toolkit and some spare parts. BTW, how are your manual transmission skills?

I don't have a manual car here in Canada, but I can drive one without a problem. I like automatic transmitions, because I like to drink my coffee in the morning and rest my left foot on the side. Traffic in Calgary sucks and having a manual car to drive in it sucks even more!

So how good am I at driving manual? I can handle it very well. When I first learned I stalled it a bit, but after that I had no problem. I lived in Finland for 3 months and I only drove standard cars there... It's like riding a bike... you never forget.


I guess my biggest concerns are:

1. Driving on ice/snow
2. Expensive gas
3. Someone breakin into my car, especially if I end up going to Romania. I know certain places are pretty bad for that.
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Quoting A342 (Reply 24):
At 160 km/h? I don't doubt that the board computer displayed this number, but sometimes the indicated figure is a bit of an understatement...

No, it was 130 km/h. Vio answered to you, so I gave him the figure. Never tried it at 160 km/h. However, our company Astra B Caravan 2.0 dLI was able to stay under 10 l/100km while driving 185 from Freiburg to Karlsruhe.
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:36 pm



Quoting Vio (Reply 20):
Yeah, looking at the car, it's not too bad. My friend and I can easily fit in it and bring two luggages as well.

We had a predecessor of the 207 (it was a winered Peugeot 205 with a Diesel engine), and despite its size, we managed to cram in all the luggage (and it was at least two big suitcases) we took for our month long roadtrips into the trunk plus some extra stuff that we'd take back. Just make sure you get a five door model, because otherwise getting into the car is going to be a pain.
 
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:57 pm



Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 25):
what is the Euro to Dollar about 1 = 1.5?

Yep, at the moment it's 1.477. Multiply the dollar value by 3.78, and voila , a gallon pf premium gasoline is $7.82 in Germany. BTW, the difference between regular and premium is a mere one cent per liter.

Quoting Vio (Reply 26):
I guess my biggest concerns are:

1. Driving on ice/snow

No snow in Calgary?  Wink

Quoting Vio (Reply 26):
3. Someone breakin into my car, especially if I end up going to Romania. I know certain places are pretty bad for that.



That's right, but the risk is much reduced if you rent a compact. Then again, with the foreign license plates, this advantage is partially negated... spin 

Quoting Vio (Reply 26):
2. Expensive gas

Got another question about your itinerary: If you end up renting a car in MUC, are you going to return it there, too? Just out of interest, I've looked up rental rates. A compact (VW Polo) costs you some 440 Euros at Hertz, including winter tyres. If you return the car at BUD, you'll pay twice the price.

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Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:58 pm



Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 27):
No, it was 130 km/h. Vio answered to you, so I gave him the figure. Never tried it at 160 km/h. However, our company Astra B Caravan 2.0 dLI was able to stay under 10 l/100km while driving 185 from Freiburg to Karlsruhe.

Alright, that's entirely possible.
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:28 pm



Quoting Vio (Reply 26):
1. Driving on ice/snow

No worries, same as Canada

Quoting Vio (Reply 26):
2. Expensive gas

Quite true, but the cars are smaller and much less thirsty

Quoting Vio (Reply 26):
3. Someone breakin into my car, especially if I end up going to Romania. I know certain places are pretty bad for that

Don't rent a German brand and don't leave anything visible in the car.
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:38 pm



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 2):
about crossing the border between Austria and Slovakia

as far as I am aware, the border between AUS-SVK is no more (No passport control). You should not have any problems to enter SVK, since there is no visa requirement for CAN citizens (90 days visits). The Schengen was implemented in mid Nov 2007 (for motorways, airports early 2008). There is a new highway extension to SVK border. Once in BTS, there is a highway system as well and you should get around the city quite well.

I know that in SVK there is a law that requires all cars to have a winter tires, during the winter season. I would not be surprised if there was similar law in the EU and I expect the rental companies comply with such a law.

As already pointed out, speed limit in SVK and AUS is 130. I guess HUN would be the same. Also HUN highway system is quite good, especially to/from Austrian border. However and this is for the whole Europe, the roads are not as wide as in the States/Canada.

I would recommend Kia Ceed. It is a really good car, very comfortable and leg room is fine. I would compare it the Toyota Corolla in the passenger zone. But I am not sure if rental agencies provide one. Peugeot 205 is a good option as well.

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Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:46 pm



Quoting Andrej (Reply 32):
as far as I am aware, the border between AUS-SVK is no more (No passport control). You should not have any problems to enter SVK, since there is no visa requirement for CAN citizens (90 days visits). The Schengen was implemented in mid Nov 2007 (for motorways, airports early 2008). There is a new highway extension to SVK border. Once in BTS, there is a highway system as well and you should get around the city quite well.

Cool. Welcome to Schengen, Slovakia! Very soon you all will appreciate the perks of having an open border.

Despite being in another continent for over 10 years, I've seen pictures of how the borders have evolved in several places in Germany, Belgium and France ever since border and customs controls for motorists have been terminated because of Schengen, and I've grown amazed about it. One moment you decide to go shopping in Belgium, just walk or drive across the border, do the shopping and make it back home to Germany in less than 20 minutes or so, without getting stuck at the border. It's truely an amazing sight, and I hope I can experience it myself once I am finally able to return to Europe.
 
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:54 pm



Quoting A342 (Reply 24):
At 160 km/h? I don't doubt that the board computer displayed this number, but sometimes the indicated figure is a bit of an understatement...

160 km/h is doable in pretty much any modern car, except perhaps the Smart FourTwo

Quoting Vio (Reply 20):

I've only been pulled over for speeding once (in LA), but the cop let me go with a warning. I was doing 35mph on a 30 zone. I always drive the speed limit.

You are kidding right? He let you go because you can beat anything that is 6 mph or under. I am surprised he wasted his time.

Quoting Vio (Reply 20):

Yeah, but it'll be too much hassle. I like to have mobility.

The public transport is excellent in all those places.

Quoting Vio (Reply 26):

1. Driving on ice/snow

You should be used to that.

Quoting Vio (Reply 26):
2. Expensive gas

Twice the mileage helps there

Quoting Vio (Reply 26):

3. Someone breakin into my car, especially if I end up going to Romania. I know certain places are pretty bad for that.

Take a cheap one. Also, I would definitely look into rental rules for Romania

Quoting A342 (Reply 29):
. BTW, the difference between regular and premium is a mere one cent per liter.

Remember that the regular in Europe is the premium in the US.
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:56 pm



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 33):
Welcome to Schengen, Slovakia!

Well....thank You!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 33):
Despite being in another continent for over 10 years, I've seen pictures of how the borders have evolved in several places.......it's truely an amazing sight, and I hope I can experience it myself once I am finally able to return to Europe.

I completely agree with you. Having spend 9 years in the US I appreciate the ability of free movement form one state to another. I have quite frequently drove from NJ to MD or NYC and the ability to shop in different state is amazing. Same goes for Slovakia. It is really great to be able to drive across the border (either HUN or AUS) just for shopping. My family has been driving quite a lot to HUN because of that. My brother (he lives in BTS) frequents AUS for shopping or tourism.

I think that this is an advantage (one of few or many?) of being a member of EU. Slovakia is also proud because not to long ago we were not prepared for the Schengen and over past couple of months we became a "poster child" with all the requirements for Schengen. Now we wait for Jan 1st 2009, when Euro will become our currency. Then I would say that we are full members of EU.  Smile

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Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:17 pm



Quoting Andrej (Reply 32):
As already pointed out, speed limit in SVK and AUS is 130. I guess HUN would be the same

The sped limits in HUN are 50/80/120

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 33):
Cool. Welcome to Schengen, Slovakia! Very soon you all will appreciate the perks of having an open border

No yet. SVK has been formally accepted to Schengen a month ago, but the passport control at the borders will disappear on Dec. 21.
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RE: Driving From MUC To BUD Questions...

Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:20 pm



Quoting N1120A (Reply 34):
160 km/h is doable in pretty much any modern car, except perhaps the Smart FourTwo

Sure. I was referring to the 4.8l/100km consumption figure which I thought was at 160km/h.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 34):
Remember that the regular in Europe is the premium in the US.

Not quite. The same fuel has different octane numbers in Europe and in the USA. See here for the explanation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating#Measurement_methods

But yes, in many European countries, there's no real regular available, hence why premium might be designated regular there.
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:26 pm



Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 36):
No yet. SVK has been formally accepted to Schengen a month ago, but the passport control at the borders will disappear on Dec. 21.

Sorry, for messing things up.

Quoting Vio (Thread starter):
From Dec. 21 to Jan. 1st

So Vio does not need to worry, since he will be in Europe from 21st, right?

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Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:42 pm



Quoting A342 (Reply 37):

Not quite. The same fuel has different octane numbers in Europe and in the USA

I realize that, but 95 RON is equal to the 91 (R+M)/2 that is the highest grade generally available in the US.

Quoting A342 (Reply 37):

Sure. I was referring to the 4.8l/100km consumption figure which I thought was at 160km/h.

And I am sure he wasn't off.
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:45 pm



Quoting N1120A (Reply 39):
And I am sure he wasn't off.

I don't quite understand what you mean.
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:48 pm



Quoting A342 (Reply 40):

I don't quite understand what you mean.

I mean 4.8l/100 km is totally possible, even at 160 km/h.
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RE: Driving From MUC To BUD Questions...

Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:52 pm



Quoting Andrej (Reply 38):
So Vio does not need to worry, since he will be in Europe from 21st, right?

Andrej

Yeah, I'll be there on the Dec. 21st or the 22nd at the very latest. It all depends on the date I leave Calgary, because we always arrive in europe +1 day. I'm hoping to be there on Friday, because it'll give me more time to spend there. My old boss was born in Bratislava and he lived there for 30 + year. He said the city is amazing. I've been to Prague before, but I heard it's not what it used to be (in 1993). Now it's too touristy... I take it it's pretty fast to get from Vienna to Bratislava right? What is it? 50 km?
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:57 pm



Quoting N1120A (Reply 41):
I mean 4.8l/100 km is totally possible, even at 160 km/h.

Hardly. Maybe in a 3L VW Lupo. Anyway, it was 4.8l/100km at 130 km/h.
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:12 pm

VIE-BTS is indeed 50 km on the old road trough Hainburg. The highway connection is longer, but obviously faster.
Now I realized another small complication. The highways in Austria, Hungary and Slovakia are toll roads. You'll have to buy a temporary toll sticker for all 3 countries (but it's possible that the highway stretch from the border to BTS in Slovakia is free. I'll try to find it out for you).
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RE: Driving From MUC To BUD Questions...

Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:26 pm



Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 27):
No, it was 130 km/h. Vio answered to you, so I gave him the figure. Never tried it at 160 km/h. However, our company Astra B Caravan 2.0 dLI was able to stay under 10 l/100km while driving 185 from Freiburg to Karlsruhe.

My Skadillac, a sedan Tour version (last of the original Octavias) with the 1.9 liter 101 HP TDi gives me a nice 5.5-6.0 l/100 km/h at 130 km/h, climbing to around 6.5-7 at 150 km/h (both for 2 occupants). But then again, in Croatia, the only highways where you can hit and maintain these speeds tend to be rather hilly, so there's a lot of upslope/downslope driving which may modify this.
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Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:29 pm



Quoting TripleDelta (Reply 45):

Well, the difference may be caused by the different engine, this one was the 90 bhp TDi (black i), level highway and light load.
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RE: Driving From MUC To BUD Questions...

Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:48 pm



Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 44):
The highways in Austria, Hungary and Slovakia are toll roads. You'll have to buy a temporary toll sticker for all 3 countries (but it's possible that the highway stretch from the border to BTS in Slovakia is free. I'll try to find it out for you).

I think that you are right. The stretch from the border to BTS is for free. I think that once you leave BTS, direction to Trnava you need to have a sticker. You can buy two kinds, 15 day for 200SK or 1 year for 1000SK. When I was in BTS last time my brother did not need to have the stickers.

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RE: Driving From MUC To BUD Questions...

Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:52 am



Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 1):
iggest problem might be taking a hire car into another country.

Not a problem as long as you tell them when you pick up the rental car so that you get the insurance coverage for those countries. One thing to bear in mind is that one-way rentals can get expensive, especially as some of the cheaper companies won't let you do a one-way rental

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 2):
However I'd contact the Hungarian and Slovakian embassies first about crossing the border between Austria and Slovakia/Hungary by car, just in case.

No problems crossing the borders. I did it a few years ago, went into Hungary for a few hours, then spent a day traveling from Austria to Slovakia to Czech Republic and back into Austria.
 
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RE: Driving From MUC To BUD Questions...

Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:41 am



Quoting Vio (Reply 26):
3. Someone breakin into my car, especially if I end up going to Romania. I know certain places are pretty bad for that.

Hmm... Get a Skoda, for example... There'll be other, better, cars to steal from around, most likely. Considering at night, in Bucharest at least, it's full of X5s, Touaregs and others a Skoda may not be as attractive. Make sure you buy some sort of insurance, just in case... I'm pretty sure you can, don't know how expensive it is.

German licence plates increase the risk...

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