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More On The North American Union And The VChip

Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:00 pm

To continue on a subject I brought up earlier. I will not comment. I know where I stand on this thing, and what it will mean for people everywhere eventually.

You watch, you decide. You either believe that it's coming, or you can dismiss it.

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RE: More On The North American Union And The VChip

Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:51 pm

This film is somewhere between scary "1984 / Big Brother" type stuff and "where's my tin foil hat". Just because Lou Dobbs says it, doesn't make it so. We've heard this type of stuff for everything from the sinking of the Titanic to 9/11. The Vchip has been around for a while, at least 10 years. A lot of Christian groups have referred to it is the mark of the beast, and have already screamed blue murder about it, so I don't see them for starters lining up to be implanted very willingly. I really think you need the consent of the people before you start printing off the Ameros too. Some parallels to the EU are plausable; like the EU Non-Constitution, which is getting railroaded through Europe. Take Blair - no way would the Brits sign off on it, so he signed it anyway saying the amended version was actually a treaty instead. I do believe that the EU is fundamentally undemocratic in nature and will one day implode, unless we're all chipped and programmed to obey I suppose. In that film they refered to the NAU, EU, AU, and Asian Union. Does that mean Australia is the only safe place left?
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RE: More On The North American Union And The VChip

Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:36 am

The NAU stuff is quite accurate actually -- Much of what is said about the RFID stuff is actually true, believe it or not.

Only Lou Dobbs covers it... the problem though is that he comes off as an old man beating you over the head with the same old stuff. After awhile people stop listening. The rest of the media doesn't cover it.

Secrecy in government, and such things is often used by those with unethical ambitions and aims. After all, if a government was doing something ethical and proper, they wouldn't need to be secretive.


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RE: More On The North American Union And The VChip

Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:49 am

I'm still skeptical. This all sounds similar to the Left Behind series of books. They were a work of fiction.
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RE: More On The North American Union And The VChip

Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:19 pm



Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 3):
I'm still skeptical. This all sounds similar to the Left Behind series of books. They were a work of fiction

The highway? The part that will allow Mexican trucks to drive to KANSAS CITY before being inspected? It's already in the works. Google "NAFTA Super Highway" and read about this piece of non-fiction. Read abouot the V-Chip. Read about the "Amero". That'll quell your skeptcism.
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RE: More On The North American Union And The VChip

Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:04 pm



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4):
That'll quell your skeptcism.

Actually, it has not. I did, however, find a bunch of websites that will require further study to determine their credibility, because at face value, they look shady.


Now, if you will excuse me, there are gentlemen at the door in dark suits and sunglasses, telling me I need some sort of injection.  Yeah sure
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RE: More On The North American Union And The VChip

Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:20 pm

Canadians will never vote in favour of the "Amero"

Even if the Canadian dollar was way below parity like in the past. I think Canadians tend to be more willing to stand up to their government than Americans. I'm not dissing Americans, but I get this feeling that since 9/11 that so many Americans buy into the "anything for security" paranoia that's going on and are willing to just trust the government no matter what.

I like how things are done in Europe, if the people don't like government policy then they shut the damn country down. They make sure the government knows who really holds the power. It may be for "socialist" type things but it's what they believe in and they have the balls to stand up for it. Christ their voter turn-outs put ours to shame.

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RE: More On The North American Union And The VChip

Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:44 pm

Gawd, here we go again. Falcon you got this one rolling before, as you state in this post, and it sparked all kinds of pro and con arguments on this stuff. Wasn't that enough?

Ever heard that expression "a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing?" That sums up Lou Dobbs' grasp of the world, and it also applies to whoever put this entertaining little piece together. Maybe you don't mind your intelligence being insulted, but this kind of crap really gets to me. Maybe I've spent too many years researching and writing about the reality of these issues. When you dig into it, it can get quite boring, and definitely non-conspiratorial. But that wouldn't fit the Dobbs approach to journalism, would it.

Edited to add this:

Here's a more sober approach to the concept of the Amero, by one of those elites supposedly conspiring to make it happen.

Don't peg loonie to US dollar says incoming Bank of Canada governor
Wed Dec 5, 4:02 PM
The Canadian Press

OTTAWA - Canada's central bank should resist pressure to peg the loonie to the U.S. dollar, says the incoming governor of the Bank of Canada.

Mark Carney told a parliamentary committee that fixing the exchange rate would mean basically adopting U.S. monetary policy.

And he says there are too many differences between the Canadian economy and its American counterpart to even consider fixing exchange rates to the American dollar.

Some observers have suggested pegging the rate in order to prevent wild currency swings like the loonie's recent rise to well above parity with the greenback.

Carney's appearance before the committee was unusual in that no governor-designate has ever appeared before a parliamentary committee ahead of taking office.

He will be sworn in as new governor of the central bank, replacing the outgoing David Dodge at the beginning of February.

Carney takes the bank's helm at a difficult time - the strong loonie has ravaged important sectors such as manufacturing and tourism while the country's economy has generally kept growing.


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RE: More On The North American Union And The VChip

Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:06 am



Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 5):
Actually, it has not. I did, however, find a bunch of websites that will require further study to determine their credibility, because at face value, they look shady.

Fair enough.

Here's one on the Texas part of the NAFTA Superhighway called the Trans-Texas Corridor:

http://www.keeptexasmoving.com/index.php/trans-texas_corridor

Read Up on this one: NASCO

http://www.nascocorridor.com/


This next one is on the center where the Mexician trucks will be checked-in Kansas City:

http://www.kcsmartport.com/

It's not that hard to find this information. It's out there.

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 6):
Canadians will never vote in favour of the "Amero"

Who said it'll come to a vote? Like everything else here, this is all being done on the executive level.
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RE: More On The North American Union And The VChip

Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:24 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
You watch, you decide. You either believe that it's coming, or you can dismiss it.

Damn Falcon, did Andrea Kent steal your password or something? You're generally more rational than this.

That video sounds like nothing but:


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RE: More On The North American Union And The VChip

Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:49 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):

Thanks for the links. While they do appear to be legitimate (the first one at least), they are by no means a smoking gun.

I'll dig deeper into them when I have time. But the more I look at this issue, the more it looks like fantasy.
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RE: More On The North American Union And The VChip

Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:10 am

You know... in the video how it says that they intend to create wars that produce perpetual enemies and such...

Remember what Dick Cheney said back awhile ago why Iraq wouldn't work and everybody looked at it and said -- well why did he actually do it (Invade Iraq)?

I'm wondering if he wanted the Iraq war to turn into a civil war... so it would drag on and on and on -- always have a perpetual enemy and perpetual war which you use to advance the loss of civil liberties.

It makes perfect sense...


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RE: More On The North American Union And The VChip

Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:17 am

Don't mock Falcon84,

Just because it might far fetched doesn't mean it's not true. Project Northwoods sounds crazy but it was true.


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RE: More On The North American Union And The VChip

Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:42 am

Falcon,

This is obviously a clip from the Zeitgeist doc... why don't you say what it is? Are you afraid of being labeled 'a tinfoil wearer or a conspiracy nut'? Just curious...

...and on a serious note, if this is true -- all those people getting worked up, blowing gaskets and losing it over immigration.. are doing it for absolutely nothing! Because if this plays out as they say. bridges will be built at the borders -- not walls!

Oh the irony! They're all looking left when they should be paying attention to what's happening on the right-


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