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Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:25 pm

Howdy,

The time has come for me to buy a console, ive always been a playstation man but really cant decide which one to get. Both seem to have their pro's and con's.

I must say i like the price of the Xbox 360 premium but it only has a 20gb hard drive but i can get it for between 550-600 dollars, the elite is upwards of $750 black in colour with the 120gb hard drive so that one is out of the question.

The 40gb PS3 is 699ish

I know Xbox has ALOT more games than PS3 and has sold alot more consoles so more people to play against online etc.

Right so i want help, what one do you reckons best?? Pros, cons comments etc.....

Both are good for High Definition TV's etc which is another reason im looking at getting one now as i upgraded to a LCD screen TV. Plus GTA IV is out early next year, now that is going to be one hell of a game!!!!

Let the great debate begin  Smile
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:30 pm

I don't know much about the consoles in particular, but two things come to mind:

- Buy after christmas. Especially the less sought-after consoles (XBOX, Playstation) may be available at reduced prices then.

- As far as I've been told, the XBOX is extremely noisy - people have compared it to a running vacuum cleaner.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:30 pm

I am biased; I'm a total Xbox 360 Fanboy. But I have to say, it's by FAR the superior console. The number of games, the quality, etc are far superb. But the number one advantage is the online service, Xbox Live. It is BY FAR the number one reason why I love the Xbox so much. The number of opportunities for online play, social connections, competition between friends, etc. Sony's online service has been delayed til next year.

I've played both consoles, but I bought a 360. It is the best!  twocents 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:38 pm

We currently have a Xbox 360 in our flat. The graphics on the Xbox are incredible ( we only ever play FIFA and ProEvoSoccer). The only cons for the Xbox I can think of are the awkward ergonomics of the controllers, and on occasions it does crash.
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:43 pm



Quoting Imiakhtar (Reply 3):
We currently have a Xbox 360 in our flat. The graphics on the Xbox are incredible ( we only ever play FIFA and ProEvoSoccer).

Just looking at Mass Effect and Call of Duty 4 trailers, they are incredible and of course GTA IV looks excellent aswell.

But im blown away by Call of Duty 4.

Thanks for the comments so far, keep them comming especially want to hear about PS3 performance etc  Smile

Very much appreciated.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
Buy after christmas

Yeah i'll prob wait till boxing day sales! although hopefully will get some good bargins online as we only have 3 places in town that sell consoles lol
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:49 pm



Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 2):
But the number one advantage is the online service, Xbox Live.

But you pay for it.

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Thread starter):
Both are good for High Definition TV's etc which is another reason im looking at getting one now as i upgraded to a LCD screen TV.

The PS3 gives you a "free" blu-ray player to enjoy hi-def movies on your new TV...
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:49 pm

Be 100% sure your TV will support the PS3 before you open games and such. I have a 55 inch Mitsubishi, only about 2 years old, and the PS3 doesn't work correctly on it. Horizontal lines would constantly scroll across the screen. Then because games were opened I couldn't get my money back on them, just some crappy store credit.
The advantage of the PS3 is you can use it to play blue ray DVD's and just a player is more expensive than the PS3.

Xbox is just horrible.  duck 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:52 pm

Call of Duty 4 is THE SHIT! I spent excessive hours and beat it on Veteran (the hardest difficulty). I'm quite proud of myself. There were some levels where I spent 7-8 hours beating just 1 level...

Another bonus to the Xbox. They have "Achievements". Each game has designated Achievements which are awarded for completing a part of the game, accomplishing something difficult or beating a challenge of some sort. Each Achievement has a designated point value and once you Unlock an Achievement, those points are added to your Gamerscore. Gamerscore is a composite score of all the games you played/Achievements you've unlocked. So it's a total score which you can compare to your friends and gives others a general idea of your gaming prowess. Mine is currently at 12,367. That puts me probably at the 80-90% range in the hierarchy of Xbox gamers.  Big grin
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:56 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 5):
Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 2):
But the number one advantage is the online service, Xbox Live.

But you pay for it.

Roughly $5/month. Chump change. And when you consider all of the media download opportunities, gaming connectivity, etc.; it's a bargain.

You can download full movies, original Xbox titles, TV shows, etc. from Xbox Live Marketplace. The ability to download HD movies directly to your hard drive is a huge plus.
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:58 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
As far as I've been told, the XBOX is extremely noisy

Haven't found it to be noisier than your average desktop computer

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 5):
But you pay for it.

You pay for quality. Xbox Live has given me the best online gaming experience. Period.

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Thread starter):
Right so i want help, what one do you reckons best?? Pros, cons comments etc.....

Look at the games on the shelves, look at what games are planned for each console. Pick the one that has the games you want to play and you won't regret it. When you get down the basis of the argument its what console really has the games (exclusives) that you want to play.
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:59 pm

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 8):
Roughly $5/month. Chump change. And when you consider all of the media download opportunities, gaming connectivity, etc.; it's a bargain.

You can download full movies, original Xbox titles, TV shows, etc. from Xbox Live Marketplace. The ability to download HD movies directly to your hard drive is a huge plus.

Is that all all included in the $5 ish a month?? Also there is 2 levels, silver and gold whats the difference between the 2?

Cheers.....


Answered my own question lol,

USD$59.99 for a premium xbox 360 live pack for 12 months, cant complain about that!!

[Edited 2007-12-13 08:02:33]
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:00 pm



Quoting AC320 (Reply 9):
Quoting Mt99 (Reply 5):
But you pay for it.

You pay for quality. Xbox Live has given me the best online gaming experience. Period.

 checkmark 

Couldn't have said it better.
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:01 pm



Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 10):
Is that all all included in the $5 ish a month?? Also there is 2 levels, silver and gold whats the difference between the 2?

Movie rentals are extra. But there is a lot of free content.

The difference between Silver and Gold: Silver is free and allows access to Xbox Live for updates and whatnot but that's about it. If you want to play online over Xbox Live or anything beyond the basics, you need Gold. It's like $60/year; totally worth it.
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:04 pm

Thanks heaps, at the moment its the Xbox360  Smile

Keep the comments rolling in, away to bed as its way way too late! Will check on this thread in the morning.

Cheers
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:06 pm

I am having the same debate. I'm leaning towards PS3.
-The add-ons and the virtual world Sony have promised sound amazing.
-The platform is way more robust
-You can run full blown Linux on PS3
-We have an xbox at work so I can still play Halo

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Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:09 pm

The PS3 is the superior hardware platform.

The XBOX360 currently has more titles out.

If you want Halo3 get the XBOX. If you want MGS4, get the PS3. Most all other titles cross platform.. except for FFXIII which will probably come out right about the time hell freezes over.
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:10 pm



Quoting AC320 (Reply 9):
Haven't found it to be noisier than your average desktop computer

Depends on what your average is...

What I've been told is that it's completely unsuitable for the living room because of the noise - the Playstation on the other hand I've witnessed working quite well as a DVD/BlueRay player without distraction.

One word of caution about the XBOX: Its failure rates are through the roof - Microsoft recently put aside another one billion(!) US$ to account for expected warranty replacements. Newer versions are supposed to be less fragile, but it probably remains to be seen whether the "red ring of death" will actually be less frequent with the new batch...
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:14 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
As far as I've been told, the XBOX is extremely noisy - people have compared it to a running vacuum cleaner.

Only if you don't give it decent ventilation. I have mine on the shelf above my surround sound processor, and in times of high volume and deep bass sounds, the 5.1 processor has been noisier than the 360. Also, you can buy a 3-fan cooler that snaps on the back that keeps it cooler as well. It's $10, and I honestly hardly ever hear my 360 at work.

Quoting Imiakhtar (Reply 3):
The only cons for the Xbox I can think of are the awkward ergonomics of the controllers, and on occasions it does crash.

I thought the controllers were some of the most comfortable out there; certainly more comfortable than the PS3 controller. Also, mine has never crashed, but most crashes that I've heard of are occurring because the users aren't shutting the console down properly. They just hit the power button and the next time they turn it on they get the red ring of death. It makes no sense to do it this way because you have to hold down the 360 button on the console to turn the controller off anyway, so it's really no quicker to hit the power button than it is to hold the 360 button and select 'Turn off console and controllers' from the dashboard.
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:17 pm



Quoting AC320 (Reply 9):

You pay for quality. Xbox Live has given me the best online gaming experience. Period.

I'm getting a 360 for Xmas, and I will be getting Xbox Live also... I will need to get your handle for it....
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:22 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):
What I've been told is that it's completely unsuitable for the living room because of the noise - the Playstation on the other hand I've witnessed working quite well as a DVD/BlueRay player without distraction.

That would not be my experience, as I've found no excessively distracting noise from the console. I believe that may have been related to early units where I heard some disc drives were noisier than others from different suppliers.

When I'm watching a DVD or annihilating some foul-mouthed 12year olds on Halo3 I really don't notice the console.
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:35 pm



Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 17):
I have mine on the shelf above my surround sound processor, and in times of high volume and deep bass sounds, the 5.1 processor has been noisier than the 360.

I see. A starting jet may serve the same purpose...!  mischievous 

Quoting AC320 (Reply 19):
That would not be my experience, as I've found no excessively distracting noise from the console. I believe that may have been related to early units where I heard some disc drives were noisier than others from different suppliers.

Right... the owner of the Playstation we were using to watch a movie did mention that the previous models were supposed to have been louder, but his drive was almost inaudible, even up close.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:37 pm

You can never go wrong with the PS3!
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:45 pm

My vote goes to the PS3. I decided that I'm signing my life over to Sony though, all of my computer, gaming and television needs come from them.
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:58 pm

I have both consoles, play both of them equally and love them both. Whatever your decision you won't regret it. But here is my honest appraisal.

At the moment the Xbox 360 if the far superior gaming platform, the range of games is far superior to the PS3 at the moment, however the 360 has been out a year longer then and the common consensus is that the PS3 is about in the same position as the 360 was a year ago.

As for online gaming everybody sings the praises of Xbox Live but as others have said you have to pay for the service whereas you do not pay for the Playstation Network. Xbox Live is great but if you all want to do is jump online and play against other people then both systems do exactly that. The lesser number of PS3's compared to 360's does not affect the ability to find games, a popular game on both systems will always have other players playing whereas you can struggle on both systems to find people to play against on the less popular games.

Build quality is a big thumbs up to the PS3. As you probably know the 360 has a well documented high failure rate where Microsoft has had to extended the warranty for the 'three red light of doom' failure, the PS3 seems to hold up much better, I haven't had any problems with both systems but the strange noises that come from my 360 at times makes me worry at times and if when working normally the 360 disk drive sounds like you have a jet engine in your living room at times.

The overall package you get in the box is also better for the PS3 over the 360. The PS3 comes already with the ability to connect wirelessly to your router whereas with the 360 you have to but a wireless adapter. Also you get a lovely Blu-Ray drive to watch lovely Hi-Def movies with the PS3, if you want to watch Hi-Def movies with your 360 you have to buy the HD-DVD drive add on. The PS3 also allows you to connect Bluetooth devices to it so you can connect a keyboard to it or use your mobile phone bluetooth headset to talk online, the 360 has no Bluetooth connectivity and you have to use the 360 headset that comes in the box which sucks because to looks like you are working in a call centre.

Basically if you want a gaming machine right know I would recommend the 360, if your not to bothered about right now get a PS3, having both systems I feel that the PS3 has far greater potential over the 360.
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:31 pm

The advantages of getting a 360 is that it's much cheaper than a PS3 and has a far bigger collection of games to choose from. Although as time passes the PS3 will have bigger and better titles to choose from. I bought the 360 simply because i didn't want to wait around for the PS3, and it's cheaper, you can buy a 360 in the UK for as little as £250 with a game (premuim version). Or a core system for £190. Either way it's a great deal, you get a 21st century console with a lot of blockbuster games at a decent price. There are issues to consider, the 360 IS loud, certainly louder than previous console i've owned, the sound is in between a air conditioning unit and a hairdryer. Not pretty but you get used to it after a while.
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:08 pm



Quoting AC320 (Reply 9):
Haven't found it to be noisier than your average desktop computer

It's like a hoover... seriously. My brother has one, and it's noisy as hell, and it can heat his room (no joke, he doesn't need a radiator on in there because the xbox is on)

Get the PS3. Ok, i haven't played one, but i'm a sony person, and in general i don't like the xbox....
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:26 pm



Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 25):
It's like a hoover... seriously. My brother has one, and it's noisy as hell

Depends, he might have an earlier build model. From reading the updates, MS' current suppliers offer a quieter drive and better cooling built into the box (the source of many of the red ring of death complaints). I don't think newly purchased systems should have much of an issue.

My box is about 1 year old and relatively quiet.
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:21 am



Quoting Gman94 (Reply 23):
neral

Thanks heaps for that!, i was thinking bout buying both systems but for me there is no point  Smile

Had a look on ebay to compare prices to shops and online shops and not much better but im astounded how many "Faulty" "broken" "not working" Xbox360's there are quite scary really!

I'll defintley have to buy cooling devices, our house sits on a constant 23-25 degrees with the aircon going 24/7 but it still can get quite warm.

Still havent decided but there is ALOT of helpful info, very much appreciated.

Keep it coming

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Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:44 am

IF you do decide to go for the PS3 then do not get the 40GB one. Either go for the 60GB or 80GB one as the 40GB version does not play PS and PS2 games whereas the 60 & 80GB versions do!

Also the 40GB one doesnt have flash card reader built in...
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:44 am

Get a PS it's better value for money. It's positioning as an entertainment centre rather then just a games console makes it more versatile. I do believe there is an attachment coming out to make it a DVR.
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:04 am

We just switched from the PS3 to the XBOX 360 in my small dorm room. The thing I notice most is that (Especially with XBOX Live or sys. link.), the gaming is just more fun on the XBOX. I love the profiles and all of the amazing features it has. The layout is incredibly easy to understand and the Gold membership is phenomenal. The thing is also quiet, and I've not noticed it making noise at all. Perhaps if you have no sound going you'll hear one of the fans, but otherwise it's quiet.

The console has also been working very well without any failures. If you unplug it and your saved games don't work after that, make sure to reset the time. Freaked me out for all of 120 seconds.  Smile
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:21 am



Quoting Pilotdude09 (Thread starter):
so more people to play against online

Does not matter, there's enough people. The only thing is if you have a lot of friends using the one system, then I'd say go for that one, as you can play against friends.

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 7):
So it's a total score which you can compare to your friends and gives others a general idea of your gaming prowess.

But sucks as soon as you get it and people see ur incredibly low score !!!!

Quoting AC320 (Reply 9):
Haven't found it to be noisier than your average desktop computer

My friends xbox is louder than the tv volume! can't play it after 10 as parents go to sleep!!

Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):
One word of caution about the XBOX: Its failure rates are through the roof - Microsoft recently put aside another one billion(!) US$ to account for expected warranty replacements. Newer versions are supposed to be less fragile, but it probably remains to be seen whether the "red ring of death" will actually be less frequent with the new batch...

Also my friends xbox 360 (maybe it's only the one case???) he has to turn it on, he'll get a system error message, then he turns if off and then on again, then it works.

Quoting Virgin744 (Reply 28):
IF you do decide to go for the PS3 then do not get the 40GB one. Either go for the 60GB or 80GB one as the 40GB version does not play PS and PS2 games whereas the 60 & 80GB versions do!

I agree there, however if you have no PS or PS2 games from before then it doesn't matter too much. But if you have any awesome PS2 games that you would want to keep (I kept the GTA series for example) then get the 60 GB one or 80 GB. If you get those you won't need the PS2, so you could sell that one on ebay and make some money to help fund the upgrade.


One thing I love about my PS3 (not sure if XBOX 360 has this) is that I connect it to my laptop wirelessly and use the media servers to play all my music, video that is stored on my laptop on my PS3. Allthough it was pretty irritating setting it up, but youtube fixed that! Big grin

If you have a psp (if you don't, or don't plan to get this, this will be irrelivant) you can connect it to your PS3 remotely (both need to be connected to the internet), so you can be in a totally different country connect to it, even turn it on, and if a game is inserted in the PS3, you can even play it on your PSP (although not many games so far work with this).

Graphics is basically the same, maybe a bit better on the XBOX 360 currently. This is due to the game makers choosing the XBOX 360 as their base consule (more people and easier to make games for), and develop games that will use the XBOX's 3 cpu's well, and only making minor changes to suite the PS3. However, I think that in the future this will change a bit, and gamemakers will specialize the PS3 version of the games to fully utilize the 8 SPU's, this will make the PS3 outperform the XBOX (reason I believe that they will customize games for the PS3 is due to the prestige factor, one will want to have such an awesome game, then the other makers must do this, etc.)

If you just want the basics I would chose the cheaper one. If you want more than that, I would choose the PS3, that's what I have, I have never regretted that choice.

Another helpful thread:
Wii, 360 Or PS3? Why? (your Opinion). (by GusNYC Mar 17 2007 in Non Aviation)

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Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:29 am

Not sure about Australia, but it's damn near impossible to buy an Xbox 360 on the North American continent at the moment unless you're willing to pay double on ebay.
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:31 am



Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
- As far as I've been told, the XBOX is extremely noisy - people have compared it to a running vacuum cleaner.

That must be one quiet vacuum! I have a 360 and I honestly can't hear any noise coming out of it...

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 5):
But you pay for it.

$50 USD for a year... well worth it if you ask me! Big grin

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Thread starter):
only has a 20gb hard drive

If you are the kind of guy that constantly downloads very large files from online, than you might want to consider investing in the 120GB hard drive, if not than the 20 GB would be more than enough space....

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Thread starter):
The 40gb PS3 is 699ish

Not worth it...  no 

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Thread starter):
Both are good for High Definition TV's

Though HDTVs come with their fair share of lag problems... It is really noticeable while playing on XBOX Live or online with the PS3... (At least in my experience) But it's not the system's fault, it's the TV.

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 17):
I thought the controllers were some of the most comfortable out there

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Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 17):
certainly more comfortable than the PS3 controller.

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Quoting Gman94 (Reply 23):
Build quality is a big thumbs up to the PS3. As you probably know the 360 has a well documented high failure rate where Microsoft has had to extended the warranty for the 'three red light of doom' failure, the PS3 seems to hold up much better

But as said earlier in one of the many replies, the 360 has been out a year longer than the PS3... Give it time, the PS3 too will have it's fair share of problems...  Smile


Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 4):
But im blown away by Call of Duty 4.

I got that game for my birthday after Thanksgiving... It kicks ASS!!! The guns, levels and game play are so awesome! Whether you are playing a sniper complete with gilly suit, or the gunner of an AC-130 Spector Gunship, US Marines, British SAS, the game has so many different areas of play... Same controls as the previous Call of Duty games, but well worth the $60 USD... Big grin Multiplayer isn't bad either...

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 32):
Not sure about Australia, but it's damn near impossible to buy an Xbox 360 on the North American continent at the moment unless you're willing to pay double on ebay.

Are you thinking of the Nintendo Wii? XBOX 360s are all over the place!
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:22 pm



Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 33):
Are you thinking of the Nintendo Wii? XBOX 360s are all over the place!

In Germany or the US?

In Canada XBox 360's are pretty much impossible to find right now. Wiis? Fuhgetabahtit
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2007 3:54 am

In Australia all are relatively easy to get, I've not been to one electronics store yet that doesn't sell the three (some don't sell any, but that is because they are not into gaming).

So availability should be no problem, but then again, xmas is coming....

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Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:18 pm



Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 33):
That must be one quiet vacuum! I have a 360 and I honestly can't hear any noise coming out of it...

Then switch it on!  mischievous 

The story I got was like this: "We stepped through the front door and immediately heard a clearly noticeable noise - as it turned out, it was the XBOX 360 in an upstairs room...!"

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 33):
But as said earlier in one of the many replies, the 360 has been out a year longer than the PS3... Give it time, the PS3 too will have it's fair share of problems...

Very unlikely at this stage. Defects of the magnitude we've seen with the 360 are severe design mistakes (apparently still insufficient cooling - even with all the noise!). Microsoft is currently trying to patch the design in order to stop the XBOXes dying like flies and they are hoping that newer chip revisions will reduce power consumption and thus prevent the premature exitus at the rate they've seen it thus far. It remains to be seen whether that will stop the bleeding.
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:53 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 36):
XBOXes dying like flies

That's a bit of exaggeration. There have been problems, but they are hardly "dying like flies".
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Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:57 pm



Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 37):
That's a bit of exaggeration. There have been problems, but they are hardly "dying like flies".

One billion US$ set aside for only just the warranty damage on the relatively few machines sold speak differently. And that is on top of the five billion $ MS has lost on the entire XBOX adventure thus far!
 
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 38):
One billion US$ set aside for only just the warranty damage on the relatively few machines sold speak differently. And that is on top of the five billion $ MS has lost on the entire XBOX adventure thus far!

Quoting dollar amounts is misleading. Failure rate is usually measured in percentage on volume sold, as you had done in the past when discussing iPhone and iPod failures. GamesReview last month put the failure rate at about 3%. I'm pretty sure that more than 3% of flies die.

Edited for spelling.

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Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:20 pm



Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 39):
Quoting dollar amounts is misleading.

No. It's just not precise. But a remedy of that magnitude indicates severe problems any way you slice it.

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 39):
GamesReview last month put the failure rate at about 3%.

3% per what? Per month?

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 39):
I'm pretty sure that more than 3% of flies die.

100.0% would be a pretty safe bet eventually, but that would apply to the XBox as well.
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:25 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):
3% per what? Per month?

3% of total volume sold, as indicated in my previous post. As of September 2007, 10.7 million XBox 360 units had been sold, so that's about 320,000 faulty units. Not outrageous, considering the iPod Nano had a similar failure rate (expressed in a percentage of volume sold).
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Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:30 pm



Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 41):
3% of total volume sold, as indicated in my previous post. As of September 2007, 10.7 million XBox 360 units had been sold, so that's about 320,000 faulty units. Not outrageous, considering the iPod Nano had a similar failure rate (expressed in a percentage of volume sold).

That would mean that Microsoft is budgeting 1000000000$ / 320000 = 3125$ for warranty expenses per every defective XBox. Not all that believable.
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:38 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 42):
That would mean that Microsoft is budgeting 1000000000$ / 320000 = 3125$ for warranty expenses per every defective XBox. Not all that believable.

You're not looking at the big picture. Projected sales by end of Q2 2008 are 17 million. End of Q4 2008, 20 million. The budget doesn't change.

I do wonder if that little white box had an Apple logo instead of a Microsoft logo if you'd be arguing the cons of the 360 so vehemently  biggrin  . The 360 is a good games console. There's no denying it.
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Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:52 pm



Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 43):
You're not looking at the big picture. Projected sales by end of Q2 2008 are 17 million. End of Q4 2008, 20 million. The budget doesn't change.

We're not talking about the regular budget. The 1 billion $ were additionally budgeted on top of the regular losses.

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 43):
I do wonder if that little white box had an Apple logo instead of a Microsoft logo if you'd be arguing the cons of the 360 so vehemently

Not quite, although Apple wouldn't get a free pass for shoddy engineering either. With them it's just the exception.

Microsoft just has worked hard for so long at "winning" a reputation for second-rate design that they've got no credit left with me whatsoever.

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 43):
The 360 is a good games console. There's no denying it.

Can't speak to the gaming side - I've just followed the engineering side.
 
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Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:21 am



Quoting Klaus (Reply 44):
Can't speak to the gaming side - I've just followed the engineering side.

Funny that...I live in a dorm in college, surrounded by people with 360s. No one has had one die all semester, and no one has ever complained about any noise.

Coming from the perspective of a person who has used both, there are no real problems with either console, but I enjoy the 360 more. And I haven't, as a user, noticed any problems.

Klaus, ya need to not have such a one track mind....using the same track too much makes cracks, and they're showing.
 
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Quoting Mt99 (Reply 5):
But you pay for it.

$65 a year isn't exactly that much.
 
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Quoting Halcyon (Reply 45):
Klaus, ya need to not have such a one track mind....

And which of the many diverse topics I'm responding to would signify that mythical "one track"?  eyebrow 

Maybe it's your perception of myself that's a bit narrow.

I was responding on the basis of what I saw reported about the XBox from public and private sources, and I qualified it as such.
 
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Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:09 am



Quoting Klaus (Reply 47):

Maybe one day you'll listen and stop using smilies all the time. While you mean well, you come off as a bit of an elitist with no view but your own. Compromise is not in your vocabulary. I'm telling you what you are based on public and privates sources, as you are the XBOX. But your perception of the 360 shows a very one-sided view, and that's all you wish to speak of.

You're intelligent and well-meaning, but your social interactions on this particular medium are, quite often, not as competent as many people who are less intelligent.

Just my thoughts. I don't mean them to be insulting, but I personally consistently notice this trait you exhibit, and others do also. Certainly you have no reason to be less abrasive, but if you wish to try, we'd all gladly accept.

Peace.
 
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Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:20 am

Great. Personal judgment instead of topical arguments. I'm out of here.  Yeah sure

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