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Teacher Allergic To Student's Fabric Softener..

Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:08 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv..._article_id=502164&in_page_id=1770


You've gotta be kidding..

Schoolgirl, 8, told to sit outside class by teacher 'allergic to her fabric conditioner'
Last updated at 17:31pm on 14th December 2007

An eight-year-old schoolgirl was segregated from her classmates and made to sit in a corridor because her teacher was allergic to the fabric softener on her clothes.

Hope Nichols was made to work in a corridor on three occasions, according to her mother, and was asked to move to the back of the classroom to prevent the smell from the conditioner upsetting her teacher.

Mother Sarahjane, 39, was stunned when she received a letter from Hope's headteacher asking her to change the brand of fabric softener she uses when washing her daughter's school uniform.


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And this woman is teaching why???? She seems to have a lot of allergy issues, and you can't make a kid's parents stop using a certain brand, especially if in this case the kid has exema (sp) etc...


Wow..

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Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:21 pm



Quoting Airlinelover (Thread starter):
And this woman is teaching why????

Because she needs income, and teaching is how she gets it. People have allergies to different things to different degrees. Get over it.

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She seems to have a lot of allergy issues

You don't know that from this simple report. This may just be a certain item in the softener the child requires.

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and you can't make a kid's parents stop using a certain brand, especially if in this case the kid has exema (sp) etc...

No, you can't, but if other options are available, then they must be taken. If the child refuses to be taught by someone else, then the parents must be able to meet the needs of the child on both fronts. There is no black or white here.
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:26 pm



Quoting Airlinelover (Thread starter):
And this woman is teaching why????

Umm... to help children learn. Maybe because she wants to try to make a difference in people's lives.

8 year old kids should not be triggering a teacher's allergy to perfumes and fragrances.

Quoting Airlinelover (Thread starter):
especially if in this case the kid has exema (sp) etc...

So the teacher's allergies are irrelevant, but this poor girl and her excema!!! How about just not using fabric softener so you don't have to worry about the teacher or the kid.
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:28 pm



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 1):
No, you can't, but if other options are available, then they must be taken.

There kid isn't the one with the stupid ass allergy. I say EFF the teacher.

This allergy crap is getting out of hand. If folks would make their kids go play in the dirt and have fun outdoors instead of being a bunch of vegetative fat asses sitting on the couch all day masturbating to the Xbox360 then perhaps these kids and now adults would have an effing immune system to fight this crap off.

Go find the CNN piece with Anderson Cooper over in Africa discussing something called Plumpy Nut (good porn name by the way) that is being fed to the starving kids over there and see the absolute shock on his face when he asks about "what about peanut allergies?" and the humanitarian aid worker pretty much laughs at him and responds that nobody there has peanut, or any other, allergies.
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:38 pm



Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 3):
This allergy crap is getting out of hand. If folks would make their kids go play in the dirt and have fun outdoors

Allergies are not caused by lack of exercise. They are caused by an anamoly in the immune system. But, since you say that they are caused by laziness, then don't come crying to us after someone you know dies after touching a cat.
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:44 pm

Once again stupidity prevails over common sense. There has to be a middle ground. I'm certainly against laws which require all sorts of crazy accomodations (at someone else's expense) in order to allow a very small number of people to participate in an activity - but by the same toke, citizens living in society should be able to make accomodations for one another.

I'm sure that there's another fabric softener somewhere that will address all the concerns.
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:46 pm



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 1):
Because she needs income, and teaching is how she gets it. People have allergies to different things to different degrees. Get over it.

Who put a wasp in your shorts??? Sorry, but she is not teacher material.. You can't make a kid sit in the hall because you are allergic to the fabric softener her family uses..

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 1):
Quote:
She seems to have a lot of allergy issues

You don't know that from this simple report.

There is this really awesome concept you should try.. Reading..

She wrote back telling the headteacher, Gregory Hill, that her Lenor fabric softener was the only brand which did not irritate Hope's eczema and dermatitis.



Mr Hill, head of Howard Junior School at Gaywood, had warned Mrs Nichols that unless something was done Hope's class teacher might have to have time off because of a "severe allergy to perfumes and fragrances".

That's not the parent's problem..

Quoting WellHung (Reply 2):

8 year old kids should not be triggering a teacher's allergy to perfumes and fragrances.

The 8-year old isn't.. The fabric softener is..

Quoting WellHung (Reply 2):
So the teacher's allergies are irrelevant, but this poor girl and her excema!!!

Excema and dermatitis are diseases.. Allergies are not a disease.. And can be easily treated.



Really people.. read the damn article..
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:53 pm



Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 7):
There is this really awesome concept you should try.. Reading..

Based on how you wrote that paragraph, your subject was the teacher and not the child. If you can't write a clear paragraphs, then how do you expect people to interpret it the way you wanted it read?
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:57 pm



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 8):

Based on how you wrote that paragraph, your subject was the teacher and not the child. If you can't write a clear paragraphs, then how do you expect people to interpret it the way you wanted it read?

Right, because the teacher is the one who this is "about". She's whining and bitching because she has an allergy that happens to be aggrivated by this student's fabric softener... Oh yeah... I tried different subjects, all too long unles sI abbreviate a lot.

Everyone else understood where I was coming from. That shows that you just didn't get it (or even try to).

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 8):
If you can't write a clear paragraphs,

What?
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RE: Teacher Allergic To Student's Fabric Softener..

Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:00 pm



Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 7):
Excema and dermatitis are diseases.. Allergies are not a disease.. And can be easily treated.

So if the girl's dermatitis is triggered by certain fabric softeners, are you claiming she is not allergic to those fabric softeners? It is triggered by an allergen, hence an allergy. It is quite obvious that it can be treated since not all fabric softeners cause the allergic reaction.  sarcastic 

Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 7):
Really people.. read the damn article..

 
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:05 pm



Quoting WellHung (Reply 10):
So if the girl's dermatitis is triggered by certain fabric softeners, are you claiming she is not allergic to those fabric softeners? It is triggered by an allergen, hence an allergy. It is quite obvious that it can be treated since not all fabric softeners cause the allergic reaction.

And what,  sarcastic  Dr. Wellhung  sarcastic  , are you going to say about excema?????  sarcastic 
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:05 pm



Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 7):
Who put a wasp in your shorts??? Sorry, but she is not teacher material.. You can't make a kid sit in the hall because you are allergic to the fabric softener her family uses..

I'm sorry, but you have made it painfully obvious in this thread that you are not qualified to say who is and who is not the proper 'material' for teaching.

Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 7):
Excema and dermatitis are diseases.. Allergies are not a disease.. And can be easily treated.

Allergies can be treated - mine has to be treated within 90 seconds of the onset of an attack with an adrenaline injection, or I die. This can happen anywhere I go, and there's sod all I can do about it.

What am I allergic to? Cats (unfortunately, since I love them) - but not all cats, only certain types that release a particular histamine agent in their hair. Anyone I pass in the street can be carrying that hair, and if I bump them, get too close on the bus or whatever, I can go into anaphylaxis and die if I don't 'shoot up'.

Its happened twice in the past 18 months, and the allergy is not treatable as its extremely acute.
 
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RE: Teacher Allergic To Student's Fabric Softener..

Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:10 pm



Quoting Airlinelover (Thread starter):
She seems to have a lot of allergy issues

You don't know that.

Quoting Pope (Reply 6):
Once again stupidity prevails over common sense.

 checkmark  Is there another teacher's class that she could be moved to? Has the childs doctor recommended a different detergent? Has the teacher's doctor recommended some sort of treatment for the allergy? There is no reason to sit a child outside the classroom, but by the same token if the teacher is prevented from doing her job, some action needs to be taken.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 3):
stupid ass allergy

Some allergies are nothing to laugh at.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 3):
This allergy crap is getting out of hand. If folks would make their kids go play in the dirt and have fun outdoors instead of being a bunch of vegetative fat asses sitting on the couch all day masturbating to the Xbox360 then perhaps these kids and now adults would have an effing immune system to fight this crap off.

My cousin, who is now 4, was born with an allergy to dog saliva. He never got the chance to go play in the dirt and have fun outdoors and have an immune system, yet he still has the allergy.

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Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:14 pm



Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 11):
And what, Dr. Wellhung , are you going to say about excema?????

That excema is a form of dermatitis and therefore covered in Reply #10.

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Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:17 pm



Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 7):
Excema and dermatitis are diseases.. Allergies are not a disease

That has got to be the most stupid comment I have heard in a very long while. Allergies are not a disease? Then what the hell are they, lifestyle choices?
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:19 pm



Quoting Pyrex (Reply 15):
Allergies are not a disease? Then what the hell are they, lifestyle choices?

Apparently they are "tough shit" kind of things that should prevent you from joining the workforce.
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:51 pm



Quoting Pyrex (Reply 15):
That has got to be the most stupid comment I have heard in a very long while. Allergies are not a disease? Then what the hell are they, lifestyle choices?

Allergies are not diseases, they are disorders of the body.
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:06 pm



Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 9):
I tried different subjects, all too long unles sI abbreviate a lot.

Since you seem to think that a subject can only apply to the title of a thread, and not a noun in a paragraph, I'll spell it out for you.

Quoting Airlinelover (Thread starter):
And this woman is teaching why????

This women = the teacher.

Quoting Airlinelover (Thread starter):
She seems to have a lot of allergy issues,

She who? Since, in the previous sentence, you mentioned the teacher, without changing the noun, and using the pronoun instead, you are STILL referring to the teacher. Not the child.

Quoting Airlinelover (Thread starter):
, and you can't make a kid's parents stop using a certain brand,

With a comma separating the sentence fragments, but and no change in the noun, you still end up talking about the noun from sentence 1: the teacher.

Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 9):
She's whining and bitching because she has an allergy that happens to be aggrivated by this student's fabric softener...

But you want everyone to believe that you were talking about the child in your second paragraph in your initial post, and while you thinking that it was what you said, it was not.

Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 9):

Everyone else understood where I was coming from. That shows that you just didn't get it (or even try to).

No, it shows that I have a difference of opinion. Your failure to make a clear initial post, and then say say that you meant something else, and run around to try and 'prove' that you wrote it correctly in the first place doesn't help your case.

Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 9):
What?

I didn't have time to proofread that post.

But here's how it should read:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 8):
If you can't write clear paragraphs

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Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:50 pm



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 17):
Allergies are not diseases, they are disorders of the body.

 Confused And what the hell is the difference?
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:27 pm



Quoting Pyrex (Reply 19):
And what the hell is the difference?

According to most dictionarys, is disease is an abonormal condition of an organism that impairs bodily functions. A disorder is more of a disturbance to the normal physical or mental health of the body. An allergy, more or less, is your immune system going into overdrive trying to fight off certain allergens causing the reaction. So, the immune system is working, its not imparing anything, it just doesn't know when to shut itself off when it is supposed to, hence the disorder.
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:31 pm



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 20):
According to most dictionarys, is disease is an abonormal condition of an organism that impairs bodily functions. A disorder is more of a disturbance to the normal physical or mental health of the body. An allergy, more or less, is your immune system going into overdrive trying to fight off certain allergens causing the reaction. So, the immune system is working, its not imparing anything, it just doesn't know when to shut itself off when it is supposed to, hence the disorder.

Then under that definition couldn't Lupus, Reumathoid Arthritis and even cancer be considered disorders?
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:35 pm



Quoting Pyrex (Reply 21):
Then under that definition couldn't Lupus, Reumathoid Arthritis and even cancer be considered disorders?

Don't cancer and arthritis impair bodily functions? Not sure about Lupus. How do allergies impair bodily functions? They disrupt them, but they don't impair.
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:46 pm



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 22):
Don't cancer and arthritis impair bodily functions? Not sure about Lupus. How do allergies impair bodily functions? They disrupt them, but they don't impair.

I guess with cancer it depends (if I understand the difference between impairing and disrupting). And RA mostly makes movements very very difficult (is joint articulation a bodily function?). And if you eat peanuts and you're throat closes down and chokes you to death I would call it impairing breathing.

Anyway, no matter what you call it I don't believe this will change a thing. It's not like the teacher is choosing to be allergic to the softener, or a "wuss who can't though it up", all that is needed is some common sense on both parts.
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:56 pm



Quoting Pyrex (Reply 23):
I guess with cancer it depends (if I understand the difference between impairing and disrupting). And RA mostly makes movements very very difficult (is joint articulation a bodily function?). And if you eat peanuts and you're throat closes down and chokes you to death I would call it impairing breathing.

Its all in how one reads the defintions really, but diseases are more serious than dissorders. Getting into sever allergies is another good point, but still, I would believe that it would be a disorder because (in the example you provided) the allergens are not attacking and imparing your lungs preventing them from functioning properly, they are causing your muscles to over work and close up your throat.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 23):
Anyway, no matter what you call it I don't believe this will change a thing. It's not like the teacher is choosing to be allergic to the softener, or a "wuss who can't though it up", all that is needed is some common sense on both parts.

I wasn't implying that the teacher is choosing to be allergic.
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Sat Dec 15, 2007 2:25 am



Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 3):
This allergy crap is getting out of hand.



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 4):
Allergies are not caused by lack of exercise. They are caused by an anamoly in the immune system.

I am alergic to some fabric softeners and some perfumes in certain deoderants. With the advent of perfume/dye free things, I don't have any more itching and I can smell fresh and clean. Oh, by the way, I walk every chance I get and lift things every chance I get. I watch what I eat, too. My skin just can not take perfumes and dyes because of genetics.
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Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:24 pm



Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 3):
This allergy crap is getting out of hand. If folks would make their kids go play in the dirt and have fun outdoors instead of being a bunch of vegetative fat asses sitting on the couch all day masturbating to the Xbox360 then perhaps these kids and now adults would have an effing immune system to fight this crap off.

My 11 year old nephew plays little league baseball every summer and basketball with the church league in the winter. He is constantly running around outside yet he's still allergic to cats. Not life threating (thank goodness) but when he's around cats his eyes water, nose starts to run and if he holds a cat his skins itches. The only disadvantage is he can't visit certain friends for long periods because they own cats. However, he has enough common sense how to handle it so other than that he's a healthy 11 year old. So please think before you make silly generalizations again.

p.s. he also owns an xbox
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Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:08 pm

The basic concept behind allergies is you lack immunity against something. Why are there so many allergies now than 30-40 years ago? Because people perhaps, are not exposing themselves or their kids to the outdoors and nature. I don't know...x Otherwise, the teacher's health must be taken into consideration, not only the daughter's. I suggest this girls' mother tries an unscented brand to see if that affects the girl and teacher.

I think this article is from the UK judging by the pictures so I don't know what "fabric softener" is in Britspeak. I know here in Canada fabric softener is an additive to laundry, in addition to laundry detergent. It definitely is not necessary.

On a side note, does anyone notice how dirty the fishbowl water is? Yuck!

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Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:25 pm

One other note about allergies. I was wandering around one day and went into a metaphysical store. The kind with crystals, insence, books on being your inner god/godess and finding yourself, and all that. Anyway, they were packaging some herbs (not the good kind  Wink ) and had them in a pile on the table. My nose started closing up! It was something I had never experienced before. I don't know what they were working with, but it was definately an allergy. It happens.
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RE: Teacher Allergic To Student's Fabric Softener..

Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:38 pm



Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 27):
The basic concept behind allergies is you lack immunity against something. Why are there so many allergies now than 30-40 years ago? Because people perhaps, are not exposing themselves or their kids to the outdoors and nature.

Which is what I was trying to say. Of course kids are born with allergies now but I wonder how much of that comes from their parents not getting out and playing the dirt more and building up the immunities to things? The overabundance of antibacterial soaps and cleaners coupled with more and more kids staying inside glued to the TV that has been going on for a couple of generations now is causing these allergies to get worse.
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Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:24 pm



Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 29):
The overabundance of antibacterial soaps and cleaners coupled with more and more kids staying inside glued to the TV that has been going on for a couple of generations now is causing these allergies to get worse.

Do you have links to studies that back up your opinion?


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Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:15 pm



Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 3):

This allergy crap is getting out of hand. If folks would make their kids go play in the dirt and have fun outdoors instead of being a bunch of vegetative fat asses sitting on the couch all day masturbating to the Xbox360 then perhaps these kids and now adults would have an effing immune system to fight this crap off.

I know lots of people who grew up in the time before we turned into a society of couch potatoes who have lots of allergies.
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