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TGV Crash In France

Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:18 am

A TGV train doing Paris-Geneve derailed today around 08.30am near the Town of Tossiat in eastern France killing at least one and injuring 9.  

[Edited 2007-12-19 02:18:46]
 
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RE: TGV Crash In France

Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:34 am

Amazed that BBC haven't picked this one up, no search results whatsoever!
 
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RE: TGV Crash In France

Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:30 am

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071219/ts_nm/france_train_dc. Thats all i can find so far! Says no one killed on the train, just 25 injured and the driver of the lorry killed.
 
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RE: TGV Crash In France

Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:08 pm

According to
http://tf1.lci.fr/infos/france/faits...ion-tgv-camion-dans-ain-mort-.html
the dead is the truck-driver. But some 34 pax of the train got hurt
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some more links
http://www.tsr.ch/tsr/index.html?siteSect=200001&sid=8549315
http://tagesschau.sf.tv/nachrichten/..._unfall_auf_der_strecke_paris_genf
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and the picture


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RE: TGV Crash In France

Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:40 pm

This will sound morbid but I'm affraid is true.....there is only one dead so it will not make front page news, if it were let's say 20 or 30 deaths then it would be picked up by all news services, specially if there is twisted and mangled wrek to show on TV.
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RE: TGV Crash In France

Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:00 pm

Is that the first death cause by the TGV?

R.I.P. to the driver.  Sad
 
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RE: TGV Crash In France

Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:25 pm



Quoting Marcus (Reply 4):

I do understand that, but BBC News hasn't even picked the story up at all!
 
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RE: TGV Crash In France

Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:35 pm



Quoting Marcus (Reply 4):
there is only one dead so it will not make front page news

The february Virgin Pendolino crash in the UK was all over the news even though there was (tragically) 1 death.
I'm sure this event will be covered in a similar manner in France.
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RE: TGV Crash In France

Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:30 pm

Nothing on CBC either, however there was another train derailment in Pakistan with some 56 dead.

So, if I understand the article correctly, the truck hit the train? Hard to imagine, but stranger things have happened. How long before the TGV arrives at a railway crossing does road traffic have to clear the crossing or when the gates come down?
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RE: TGV Crash In France

Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:42 pm



Quoting Davehammer (Reply 2):
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071219/ts_nm/france_train_dc.

Interestingly enough, I clicked on that link and it has already expired. This is truly sad news and my prayers go out to the victims and their families.

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RE: TGV Crash In France

Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:13 pm



Quoting KL773ER (Reply 9):
Interestingly enough, I clicked on that link and it has already expired.

It's not expired. He posted the link with a period at the end which made it an invalid link.

Try this:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071219/ts_nm/france_train_dc
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RE: TGV Crash In France

Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:19 pm



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 8):

So, if I understand the article correctly, the truck hit the train? Hard to imagine, but stranger things have happened. How long before the TGV arrives at a railway crossing does road traffic have to clear the crossing or when the gates come down?

I didn't think the TGV had level crossings.

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RE: TGV Crash In France

Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:31 pm

TGV accidents are rather rare. I hope this wasn't an act of sabotage.  Confused
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RE: TGV Crash In France

Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:41 pm



Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 11):
I didn't think the TGV had level crossings.

Apparently it does. I guess it depends on the stretch as well, when the accident happened the train was not going at a high rate of travel. So perhaps, they slow down at crossings?
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RE: TGV Crash In France

Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:46 pm



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 7):
this event will be covered in a similar manner

all over Switzerland as well as on
http://tagesschau.sf.tv/nachrichten/..._unfall_auf_der_strecke_paris_genf
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RE: TGV Crash In France

Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:32 pm



Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 11):
I didn't think the TGV had level crossings.

From what I understand, the high-speed lines (LGVs) don't have level crossings, but TGVs do run on some stretches that aren't high-speed, at slower-than-normal speeds of course (same as the other trains that run on those lines). LGVs are expensive and difficult to build, and so they normally just make the trunk lines to that standard and let the TGVs run at reduced speed on the branches.

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RE: TGV Crash In France

Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:46 pm



Quoting Marcus (Reply 4):
This will sound morbid but I'm affraid is true.....there is only one dead so it will not make front page news,

It's not morbid...unfortunately, it's reality.

Whenever a trouble-stricken aircraft has to make an emergency landing while being televised....and pulls it off without any fatalities....you can almost hear the collective sigh of disappointment from the media covering it.

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RE: TGV Crash In France

Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:53 pm



Quoting Mir (Reply 15):

Thanks, That does make a lot of sense I guess. How much did that high speed stretch of the Chunnel cost?  Wink

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RE: TGV Crash In France

Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:12 am



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 16):
Quoting Marcus (Reply 4):
This will sound morbid but I'm affraid is true.....there is only one dead so it will not make front page news,

It's not morbid...unfortunately, it's reality.

Welcome to the News Media

How fast was this train traveling? Did I miss that?

Surprised no further injuries or deaths.

Quoting Mir (Reply 15):
at slower-than-normal speeds of course

In the US that would mean nearly stopped . . .
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RE: TGV Crash In France

Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:27 am



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
In the US that would mean nearly stopped . . .

Slower than normal for the TGV, that is. I think they still run at about 100-125km/hr (62-78mph) on those lines. Fast in relation to US trains, but nothing compared to the 300km/hr (198mph) they can do on the LGV stretches.  Smile

As in the US, speed is restricted coming into and out of stations, which is probably where this happened.

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 17):
How much did that high speed stretch of the Chunnel cost?

Considering that the entire line from Gare du Nord to St. Pancras is LGV standard, a lot.  Smile

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RE: TGV Crash In France

Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:34 am



Quoting Mir (Reply 15):
From what I understand, the high-speed lines (LGVs) don't have level crossings, but TGVs do run on some stretches that aren't high-speed, at slower-than-normal speeds of course (same as the other trains that run on those lines).

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According to news media in Geneva, the train was travelling about 100 km/h (60 mph) when it hit the truck stalled on the tracks. The train did not jump the tracks.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
Surprised no further injuries or deaths.

Actually, considering that each rail car shares a bogie (single axle) at each end, the train is incredibly stable and so the train sets don't accordion on themselves in a collision.
Quick primer on it's design- scroll down to "What makes the Train Special?"

A review of the history of crashes of the TGV show it to be an incredibly safe way to travel.
Accident Record of the TGV

Here's a great YouTube video of the TGV coming off the high-speed line (LGV) onto the local tracks taking the train into Lyon from Paris. At 2:12, the train turns off the high-speed track that continues on to Marseille and slowly decelerates- you can hear the motors spooling down.

At 3:10, when the train emerges from the tunnel, I'd say it's doing about 100 km/h- about the speed the train hit the truck.



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RE: TGV Crash In France

Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:13 am



Quoting Marcus (Reply 4):
This will sound morbid but I'm affraid is true.....there is only one dead so it will not make front page news, if it were let's say 20 or 30 deaths then it would be picked up by all news services, specially if there is twisted and mangled wrek to show on TV.

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Afterall, what does the media really care about? Basically the same things that ANCflyer and 2H4 stated...

They care about ratings, anything to stimulate interest among viewers such as big tradgic stories that involve wreckage, such as that ICE train collision with a bridge some years back, or the Sunset LTD derailment in Alabama back in 1993, which was the worst train wreck in Amtrak history...

How about the story of that 80-something-year-old who plowed through a San Diego market, killing over a dozen, including an infant because "he mistakenly put his foot on the accelerator instead of the brake?" The media ate that one up because it produced a "Hollywood-esque action movie scene."

I like stimulating stories in the media, but I like to hear more about other stories involving less morbid content such as someone getting shot up in South Philadelphia or a big freight train derailment causing thousands of residents to evacuate. What about stories of growth, development and progress.

You know, this brings up Iraq in a sense, there is a lot of progress being made in Iraq in building more schools and homes for the people over there, but what does the media show day after day? I will not even post it; it's understood...
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RE: TGV Crash In France

Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:52 am

Interestingly enough, in July of 1918 the worst passenger train wreck in the United States didn't make the front pages and in fact, didn't get any mention in many distant papers. The wreck killed 101 persons and maimed many more. The reason that the wreck didn't get much mention was the WW in Europe was attracting more attention.
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RE: TGV Crash In France

Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:39 am



Quoting Mir (Reply 19):
Slower than normal for the TGV, that is. I think they still run at about 100-125km/hr (62-78mph) on those lines. Fast in relation to US trains, but nothing compared to the 300km/hr (198mph) they can do on the LGV stretches.

They run up to 140mph on standard lines in places. Between Tours and Bordeaux i beleive.

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