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School Bans The Word "Christmas" In Carol

Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:52 am

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/stor...007/12/21/ot-christmas-071221.html


That's pretty bad...
I suppose all the songs were sung in French as well  Wink



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RE: School Bans The Word "Christmas" In Carol

Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:56 am

More PC crap. Makes me sick. Christmas has been around for ages. It says Christmas on the calender. "Father Christmas". No one has ever been offended by a festive holiday, so why the  redflag  nonsense now? Good grief  Yeah sure
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RE: School Bans The Word "Christmas" In Carol

Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:04 am

So how would they call "A Christmas Carol" then? A Generic Carol? Three Ghosts Visiting Ebeneezer Scrooge On The Night Between December 24th And 25?

This is more PC bullshit. Nobody has complained about this time of year being known as Christmas, and yet the PC brigade makes things worse than they already are.  Yeah sure
 
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Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:07 am

Replacing the word "Christmas" with some neutral non-offensive words?!? What a crap move!

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RE: School Bans The Word "Christmas" In Carol

Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:33 am

It's "Festive Time" in the city?

What is this then, Mardi Gras in New Orleans?  confused 

You know what is screwing up America? It's pieces of s**T @$$holes like these anti-Judeo-Christian blagard degenerates!!

They're the same pieces of garbage who want "God" out of every US Document pretty much, including our currency and pledge of allegence: "In God We Trust," and "One Nation, UNDER GOD..."

If my school did that, I would change schools...  grumpy 

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Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:40 am

And I bet they read Larry the Cable Guy's version of "Twas the Night Before Christmas" too.
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Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:48 am



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 5):
And I bet they read Larry the Cable Guy's version of "Twas the Night Before Christmas" too.

Mate! Great post!! Larry the Cable Guy is hilarious, as was that act!!  bigthumbsup 

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Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 4):
You know what is screwing up America? It's pieces of s**T @$$holes like these anti-Judeo-Christian blagard degenerates!!

Surprised anyone actually cares this much. Go ahead and send some hate-mail while you're at it... I mean, if you truly believe that the teacher and the principal here are "pieces of shit assholes," why don't you let 'em know your sentiments?

Just because they don't want to include your religion doesn't mean their against it. Having some diversity in a public school isn't always a bad thing, you know.
 
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Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:22 am



Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 7):
Just because they don't want to include your religion doesn't mean their against it. Having some diversity in a public school isn't always a bad thing, you know.

Um, wouldn't that be removing diversity? "I'm offended by your religion so you can't make any reference to them at school!" Yea, sounds like diversity to me.....not.  sarcastic  Christianity is one of the many slices in the pie that defines "diversity". Granted, you can try to make the argument "well, Christianity is the majority religion in the West", but diversity and toleration and learning to get along is as much about the minorties toleration of the majority as it is vise-versa.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 6):
Mate! Great post!! Larry the Cable Guy is hilarious, as was that act!!

My thoughts exactly!!!

Yea, I still get a laugh out of that one.
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Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:31 am

 Yeah sure  Yeah sure  Yeah sure



People seriously need to get a life. The people they are trying not to offend are even saying they aren't, so why is this bullshit continuing? This is happening to Christians, just imagine if someone tried to do this to Muslims.  Wow!  scared 

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Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:32 am



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 8):
And My guess is "Ho! Ho! Ho!" was reworded to please Al Sharpton.

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Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 7):
I mean, if you truly believe that the teacher and the principal here are "pieces of shit assholes," why don't you let 'em know your sentiments?

What's the point? All public government schools have gone down the drain the last twenty or thirty years. What good it going to do? You'd be hard pressed to find a teacher or member of a school districts administrative faculty these days that can get anything done! The only things they are interested in teaching kids these days are Political Correctness, feminism, "celebrating" diversity, anti-Captilism/socialism, pro-gay BS, and above all being good little liberals! And that's when teachers aren't busy trying to discipline students.(they spend more time doing that then anything else) They don't teach math skills because they say you can use a calculator. Spelling isn't that important either they'll tell you because people can use spell check these days or just trying to sound it out. And you'd be lucky if 1/4 of students could identify all seven continents and the oceans on a map! Ask kids when did World War 2 take place and perhaps a handful will know that it was in the twentieth century.... sometime.

School's have been outlawing things like the world "Christmas" in carols for years. When was the last time you heard of a school have a Christmas Concert? These days it's a Holiday Concert! God-forbid they offend anybody! No more Christmas parties in school either! That might be offensive, even though the majority celebrates Christmas and has for the last several hundred years. But guess what? If Little Mohammad the Muslim or Jimmy the Jew wanted to share their customs and traditions during their holidays with their classroom, you can bet your ass your son or daughters 3rd grade class can and will have a Ramadan or Hanukkah party without question! It's absurd!


Give your kids a chance, send them to private school at all costs! I can't believe the improvement in general knowledge and common sense when I talk to some kid thats been educated in a private school vs. public. They even still teach morals and values in private school too, if you can believe that! The only value they teach in public schools these days is the liberal/secular value of making no judgments about anybody else based on their personal behavior. Anything goes these days! If your son's feeling gay, then that's just great! He can join the gay club that meets at 7th period, learn that's it's perfectly normal and then everybody can celebrate his diversity! Want to use the world Christmas though, you might just have problems at your neighborhood public school! And in ten years, maybe even a two day suspension? I know things have changed just in 15 years, I dread to see things in another ten.
 
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RE: School Bans The Word "Christmas" In Carol

Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:27 am



Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 1):
More PC crap. Makes me sick. Christmas has been around for ages. It says Christmas on the calender. "Father Christmas". No one has ever been offended by a festive holiday, so why the nonsense now? Good grief

I hope all the people who claim some alleged "assault" on Christmas realize that these stories are news because they are NOT the norm. If they were the norm, no one would care.
 
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Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:03 pm



Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 11):
If Little Mohammad the Muslim or Jimmy the Jew wanted to share their customs and traditions during their holidays with their classroom, you can bet your ass your son or daughters 3rd grade class can and will have a Ramadan or Hanukkah party without question! It's absurd!



Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 11):
Give your kids a chance, send them to private school at all costs!

We had a Hanukkah party at my private school 2 days ago...  frown 
Then I asked if we could have a Christmas party... we didn't have a Christmas party.

I think you are absolutely correct here, I couldn't stand Public school. In Ontario during the last election my local public school had a banner from the Teacher's Union pretty much advertising the Liberals.

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I know things have changed just in 15 years, I dread to see things in another ten

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Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 4):
What is this then, Mardi Gras in New Orleans?

They'd call it Fat Tuesday. Or a socially acceptable way to show us your t**s. Big grin

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Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:46 pm



Quoting AF340 (Thread starter):
That's pretty bad...



Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 1):
Makes me sick. Christmas has been around for ages. It says Christmas on the calender. "Father Christmas". No one has ever been offended by a festive holiday, so why the nonsense now? Good grief



Quoting YYZflyer (Reply 9):
People seriously need to get a life. The people they are trying not to offend are even saying they aren't, so why is this bullshit continuing?

Well, I know here in Ontario things have changed "for the worst"...... Christmas is just that...Christmas -- but our government has a-holes running it. If an ethnic group complains, instantly there has to be a change "as to not offend anyone"...well this is CANADA and if these people don't want to celebrate the way we do then they shouldn't bother.

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Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:46 pm



Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 1):
More PC crap. Makes me sick. Christmas has been around for ages. It says Christmas on the calender. "Father Christmas". No one has ever been offended by a festive holiday, so why the redflag nonsense now? Good grief Yeah sure

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Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:29 pm



Quoting AF340 (Thread starter):
all the songs were sung in French as well

whatever, this "festive ......" instead of Christmas is simply stupid
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Quoting LTU932 (Reply 2):
how would they call "A Christmas Carol" then?

possibly a "Winter Festivities Carol" !!  Sad
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Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 14):
PC is ruining everything

the matter described has nothing to do with "correctness" but with stupidity and lack of civil courage

Quoting OA260 (Reply 16):
Socialist crap !!!

Socialist ? Socialists all over the Continent do NOT stop the use of the term "Christmas", so that it quite obviously has nothing to do with "Socialist".
 
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Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 17):
the matter described has nothing to do with "correctness" but with stupidity and lack of civil courage

Sure it does. Political correctness prevents it from it being called what it is. Christmas. Stupidity and lack of civil courage encourages it.
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Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 17):
Socialist ? Socialists all over the Continent do NOT stop the use of the term "Christmas", so that it quite obviously has nothing to do with "Socialist".

Well in my experience living in the UK and Ireland these things usually come from the Left wing camp !!!
 
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Quoting AF340 (Thread starter):

That's pretty bad...
I suppose all the songs were sung in French as well

The Grinch is the guilty one in this case !  sarcastic 
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Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 18):
the matter described has nothing to do with "correctness" but with stupidity and lack of civil courage
Sure it does. Political correctness prevents it from it being called what it is. Christmas. Stupidity and lack of civil courage encourages it.

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Right, but stupidity in my view is NOT "correct" .
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in the UK and Ireland

I referred to "the Continent" !  Wink  wave 
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Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 21):
Right, but stupidity in my view is NOT "correct"

You got that right. Couldn't agree more with that.
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Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 21):
I referred to "the Continent" ! Wink wave

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Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:03 pm

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 4):
If my school did that, I would change schools... grumpy

When my ex and myself still thought about moving to Ireland (I was already working there, but wanted my family to follow me), we visited schools in Shannon, Co. Clare to check about schooling for my ex's children. It turned out that all schools in the are were run by one church or another and the first question was "Are your children Catholic or Protestant?", upon which we answered "Neither, they got raised as moderate Muslims" (While I'm an atheist, my ex, who came from Sierra Leone, West Africa, was raised as a Muslim, though later she turned to become a rabid born-again Christian, one reasons for our divorce). The principals usually told us that they didn't really like students of other religions than the one running the particular school, to enroll.
This was in 1998.
BTW, we celebrated Christmas in our family, as a family celebration, without the religious background.

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Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:54 pm



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 17):
Socialist ? Socialists all over the Continent do NOT stop the use of the term "Christmas", so that it quite obviously has nothing to do with "Socialist".

Read the whole post. Refering to socialism was refering to the liberalism in schools in general; not refering specifically to schools and Christianity. Even though I agree, it was probably irrelevant in this thread and should be saved for another one.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 18):
Sure it does. Political correctness prevents it from it being called what it is. Christmas. Stupidity and lack of civil courage encourages it.

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Nail on the head right there.

It comes down to someone with minority views feeling "left-out". And we wouldn't want that to ever happen. So we'll take it away from everyone. Christmas is what you make of it- be it religious or commercial. I have atheist and agnostic friends who celebrate and wish me a "Merry Christmas".
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RE: School Bans The Word "Christmas" In Carol

Mon Dec 24, 2007 2:33 am



Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 11):
School's have been outlawing things like the world "Christmas" in carols for years.

The school I teach at, Trenton High School, Trenton, Michigan, still has Christmas. I have a tree in my classroom and there are many Christmas trees in the school.

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 11):
The only value they teach in public schools these days is the liberal/secular value of making no judgments about anybody else based on their personal behavior

I teach auto repair so I just teach kids to fix cars. Not all teachers are a bunch of liberals. About half the teachers I know are rather conservative.

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 11):
that's when teachers aren't busy trying to discipline students.(they spend more time doing that then anything else

That is true in many cases. When I taught in Detroit that was always true. Where I'm at now that is not always the case. My 11th and 12th graders don't get in much trouble. My 10th graders are a bunch of trouble makers.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 14):
PC is ruining everything

Your damn right. When we are PC and try not to offend somebody we end up offending somebody else. I find it offensive when a store calls a Christmas tree a holiday tree.


Don't knock all public schools. There are a lot of great schools. You only hear about the crappy ones. Also for all the bad stuff we hear about the young people doing we never hear about the vast majority of students who do really good things. Us teachers rarely talk about it. When we get together we always talk about the one or two bad students we have not the 50 that are great.

Private schools have their problems too. Hundreds of private schools in the Detroit area have closed in recent years. If they were such a great choice they wouldn't be closing. Just because they are private doesn't mean they are good. Same as just because they are public schools they are bad.

One thing that most private schools lack is any kind of vocational training. If you are interested in the trades you will not get much of a helpful education. Yes, you can still be college bound and learn a trade. I have two university degrees in Automotive Technology.

Quoting AF340 (Reply 13):
In Ontario during the last election my local public school had a banner from the Teacher's Union pretty much advertising the Liberals.

I'm in the NEA and it is filled with liberals. But not everyone is a liberal. In Michigan if the school is union you are part of the union. I don't like much of the union's politics, but I am still a member. I don't contribute to their causes other than my regular dues.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 25):
I have atheist and agnostic friends who celebrate and wish me a "Merry Christmas".

I usually find it is the atheists who complain the most about religious events. Usually when you hear about a lawsuit over a Christmas thing it is an atheist, not a Muslim or a Jew. I have found most religious people, in the US, are very tolerant of other religious beliefs. If you have faith we like it. If you don't have faith we don't like it.
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RE: School Bans The Word "Christmas" In Carol

Mon Dec 24, 2007 2:56 am



Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 1):
More PC crap. Makes me sick.



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 2):
This is more PC bullshit.

Yes it is, and I don't blame people for being angry, and protesting to the school. What I DO blame them for is threatening the teachers and administrators with vulgarity and/or bodily harm. Best way to protest is to just make sure no one shows up for their PC, neutered-down "non-denominational" holiday concert or play or whatever they're doing.

Assholes hail on both sides. The teachers and administrators are because they give in to their fears that someone might actually be offended by the word "Christmas". Most people aren't, and the few who are, well, they're assholes themselves. But those who threaten are also assholes. So assholes do vex us on all sides in this one.

Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 7):
Just because they don't want to include your religion doesn't mean their against it.

Actually, it does. The song is about "Christmas", is it not? Christmas, whether you like it or not, Scottie, is a CHRISTIAN holiday. It isn't just a "fesitval". Changing the song from its original title is an attempt to downplay the real reason for the season, if you ask me, and make it into some meanigngless, non-denominational pile of bull cookies.

If you don't like it, don't celebrate it. But don't demand that we not say the word, or say anything to do with Christmas, like "Christ", or "Jesus", or "Jesus Christ", or "Savior", or "God". Tired of me saying that? Well, that's your problem, not mine.

Unfortunately, the more this PC crap goes on, the more it makes it likely there'll be a backlash against the PC police and their sad followers. I would hope it stays peaceful, and is done in the form or non-violent protest, but, as I said, there's enough assholes on all sides to assure someone would get hurt.

In fact, it's time for Christians who are tired of having their faith walked on to perhaps start something akin to the "sit in's" of the 50's and 60's in the civil rights movement-basically telling the government and others to "stick it where the sun don't shine", when it comes to this crap. If we want to put a manger scene in our city; if we want to use the word "Jesus" or "Christmas" in our schools, try to stop us. If you want to arrest us for standing up for our faith, go ahead. There'll be someone else to step into my place, until this nonsense stops.

Sorry for those of you who don't like it, but Christmas IS a religious holiday. Deal with it.
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Mon Dec 24, 2007 3:40 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 27):

Actually, it does. The song is about "Christmas", is it not? Christmas, whether you like it or not, Scottie, is a CHRISTIAN holiday. It isn't just a "festival". Changing the song from its original title is an attempt to downplay the real reason for the season, if you ask me, and make it into some meaningless, non-denominational pile of bull cookies.

More than a holiday I prefer to say a "celebration" for the joy of the birth of Jesus Christ. A very special day [a holy one][but not the most important one for a Christian].

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 27):

Sorry for those of you who don't like it, but Christmas IS a religious holiday. Deal with it.

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RE: School Bans The Word "Christmas" In Carol

Mon Dec 24, 2007 4:07 am

Next thing you know these PC morons will have taken their ideas so far down the road that their sole remaining protest will be to have the Christmas holiday...as well as the school's Christmas vacation cancelled  sarcastic 

Yet I'm sure they're among the first ones out the door of their own workplace for their own Christmas holiday  wink 

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RE: School Bans The Word "Christmas" In Carol

Mon Dec 24, 2007 4:17 am

Dialogue:

Person 1: How was your Christmas Holiday?
Person 2: I WAS OFFENDED BY THAT STATEMENT.

This is fucking weak.  Yeah sure

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Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:57 am



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 25):
Read the whole post. Refering to socialism was refering to the liberalism in schools in general

I in fact DID read the WHOLE post. Liberalism and socialism are two different things, and neither is connected with or does justify stupidty and lack of civil courage
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Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:14 am

I don't understand how someone can be offended by the smallest of things. It's a word, what you make out of it or what it means to you is your own business. For some people, the word and meaning of Christmas has a religious one, for others, it's just that time of year to spend with friends and family that you normally may not see during the rest of the year.

I also feel that this whole "Christmas is offensive" BS is such a double standard. People whine and complain how there the slightest thing "offends" them and the majority has to take light of this and change their traditions just to please them. Yet, if we were to make a stink about their traditions, we'd be labeled racist, or God only knows what.

The way I see it....accept it, turn away, ignore it or piss off. Your choice, but spare me your bleeding heart bullshit, getting real tired of hearing it.

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Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 32):
I also feel that this whole "Christmas is offensive" BS is such a double standard. People whine and complain how there the slightest thing "offends" them and the majority has to take light of this and change their traditions just to please them. Yet, if we were to make a stink about their traditions, we'd be labeled racist, or God only knows what.

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Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:09 am

Out of topic, YYZflyer, what is that Ontario-plated cop Vickie ? It's not the RCMP or the OPP which are black/white AFAIK, is it Toronto Metro Police ?

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RE: School Bans The Word "Christmas" In Carol

Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:56 pm



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 24):
The principals usually told us that they didn't really like students of other religions than the one running the particular school, to enroll.

Ain't that great? If this doesn't show the true colors of religion, what else does? Christian values my butt.
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RE: School Bans The Word "Christmas" In Carol

Mon Dec 24, 2007 4:50 pm

All this PC crap is really ridiculous. People all over the world celebrate Christmas. For many, it's just a nice occasion to get together with the family, and have a good meal. And for Christians, it's the same thing, but they also celebrate the religious aspect of it. All I know is that the Turks in the restaurant street here all have tons of Christmas decorations up, and they're not wishing us happy hollidays, but merry christmas and a happy new year...


This said... I'm off to my parents, enjoying our traditional Christmas meal, so to everybody, religious or not, have a merry christmas, and I hope santa brings you tons of gifts!  present   santahat   wave   wave 
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RE: School Bans The Word "Christmas" In Carol

Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:09 pm



Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 34):
Toronto Metro Police ?

Yup that's the Toronto Metro Police. I always thought that was a weird emblem.


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RE: School Bans The Word "Christmas" In Carol

Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:10 pm

Too many people define "diversity" as being exclusive rather than inclusive. To exclude an entire religion rather than including it in the educational environment of the children (since they're going to hear about religions while being educated) is ignorant.

Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 7):
Having some diversity in a public school isn't always a bad thing, you know.

See above. I agree with you that diversity is a good thing. So have a Eid Ramadan party, a Hannukah party, and every other party to help kids learn about other cultures. The first parent that doesn't like it after getting fair warning can remove their child from the environment. The education of the many should not be interrupted for the infliction of ingnorance on a few.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 17):
whatever, this "festive ......" instead of Christmas is simply stupid

I agree. Completely.
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RE: School Bans The Word "Christmas" In Carol

Tue Dec 25, 2007 1:34 am

I will admit I tend to lean towards many "liberal" or "left-wing" ideas; however, I have absolutely no problem with the term Christmas. As many have stated Christmas is a Christian holiday and the US and I guess Canada too trace their roots to many Christian ideas. I think it is silly when schools feel they need to not offend people and stop calling this time of year what it is...Christmas. When the schools are closed for the last week in December call it what it is ....Christmas vacation. If the school choir wants to perform a concert let them sing Christmas carols including religious ones. Many are centuries old and are very nice to hear. If someone does'nt like then don't go to the concert. Besides these carols are copyrighted if I'm not mistaken so wouldn't it be a copyright infringement when someone changes the text withough permission???

No what I don't agree on is school prayer. It simply isn't necessary. Many people complain how much time teachers spend disciplining children because their parents can't or won't do it at home. Well I see school prayer in the same way. If parents can't/won't take time to pray with their children before he/she goes to school why should the schools have to worry about it?

I don't have a problem with the phrase "In God We Trust" on our currency though. In fact I'd rather put my trust in God than some of the multi-national banks and corporations. Anyone remember the Lincoln Savings and Loan fiasco in the 80s or Enron???

Now to the Pledge of Allegiance. What most people don't know is the original version did not contain the phrase "one nation under God". This was added during WWII or shortly thereafter. However, I feel this is also a total waste of time and an exercise in futility. Why force kids to pledge to a flag? Its a piece of cloth or nylon if you wish. It's a symbol yes, but to pledge allegiance to it? Wouldn#t it be better to make a pledge to the ideals that make the US a strong country...freedom of speech, freedom of press, right to vote and equality for all?

One final note....there are PC fanatics on both sides of the fence.
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RE: School Bans The Word "Christmas" In Carol

Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:42 pm

Muslim scholars wish a "Merry Christmas" and NOT a merry season or whatever, as below
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Tuesday 25 December 2007
Muslims wish Merry Christmas
Source: IslamOnline.net & News Agencies




http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...gename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout

In a new Muslim gesture to promote inter-faith dialogue, 138 Muslim scholars have signed a Christmas message to the Christian clergy worldwide, including Pope Benedict XVI, reported the Financial Times on Saturday, December 22.

"This is the first time a large group of Muslim scholars from across the schools greet their Christian neighbors," said Prof. Aref Ali Nayed, one of the signatories to the New Year message.

In their message, the Muslim scholars wished fellow Christians a merry Christmas and thanked Christian leaders for responding positively to an earlier open letter signed by them to bridge the Muslim-Christian gap.

The 138 Muslim scholars and dignitaries from around the world sent in October an open letter to the world's Christian clergy, including Pope Benedict, for dialogue based on commonalities between Islam and Christianity.

Pope Benedict responded earlier this month to the Muslim letter and invited Muslim scholars and intellectuals to a meeting at the Vatican for a dialogue.

Nayed said Muslims had always greeted Christians at Christmas throughout history.

He said that media have been giving too much focus to extremist voices while disregarding the tolerant and peaceful nature of the faith.

"This has resulted in a very skewed and distorted picture of Islam," he said.

"Mainstream Islam has regained its voice once again."

Signatories include Egypt's Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa and Sheikh Ikrima Sabri, the Mufti of Al-Quds (occupied East Jerusalem).

The list also features prominent preachers including Egyptian Amr Khaled and American Sheikh Hamza Yusuf.

Secretary General of the pan-Muslim Organization of the Islamic Conference Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu is also a signatory.

Christian Welcome

The Muslim Christmas message won plaudits from Christian leaders and theologians.

Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran, head of the pope's council for inter-religious dialogue, told the Financial Times that progress was being made on dialogue between the two faiths.

He said a preparatory meeting will be held in the spring to discuss concrete steps to promote inter-faith dialogue.

Theologian Miroslav Volf said the new Muslim initiative "contains every affirmation of sanctity of every single human life."

The Muslim gestures aimed to ease strained ties between Muslims and Christians after Pope Benedict hinted indirectly last year that Islam was violent.

Pope Benedict stopped short of a clear apology sought by Muslims over his speech in his native Germany, but expressed regret for the reaction to his speech.

Nayed, who had taught at the Vatican's Gregorian University, blamed some close advisers to the Pope of straining ties between the two Abrahamic faiths.

"This negativity is very dangerous and leads the Vatican to make some truly dangerous mistakes," he said.


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RE: School Bans The Word "Christmas" In Carol

Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:05 am



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 41):

A refreshingly positive article about steps being made between non-radical Islam and the Christian world. I truly hope this is the first step in Islam taking back its image from the radicals and Islamofascists who have defiled their faith. Such outreach also needs to take place between Islam and Judiasm, if peace is ever going to be achieved in the Middle East.
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RE: School Bans The Word "Christmas" In Carol

Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:37 am

Since this is the only thread open on the subject, did anyone else notice people and websites use Happy Holidays today when they had nothing yesterday? It is Christmas Day, people cannot get offended by what the actual day is. If you want to display Happy Holidays at other times, fine. But on a specific holiday? Come on.
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RE: School Bans The Word "Christmas" In Carol

Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:45 am

Bull****  grumpy  Just more PC crap as stated above (very thoroughly stated  Wink ). "FAMILY TREES" WTF?


I am however happy that non-christians are supporting a "Include" all sort of celebration, rather then a "Remove everything" celebration. I would much rather go see a "Chrismas hanukkah Kwanzaa" party than a "Generic Holiday festivities party"  grumpy 



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RE: School Bans The Word "Christmas" In Carol

Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:18 pm

I feel offended by people celebrating independence day on 4 jul. So if you just could call it "summer party" instead. Thanks
 
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RE: School Bans The Word "Christmas" In Carol

Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:14 am



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 8):
Um, wouldn't that be removing diversity? "I'm offended by your religion so you can't make any reference to them at school!" Yea, sounds like diversity to me.....not. Christianity is one of the many slices in the pie that defines "diversity". Granted, you can try to make the argument "well, Christianity is the majority religion in the West", but diversity and toleration and learning to get along is as much about the minorties toleration of the majority as it is vise-versa.

Hey, great post! Thanks for the defense! Again, your post is pretty much my sentiments exactly. I am all about diversity. I am dating someone who is Jewish, and she and I have a very profound respect of the other's religion and ethnic background. We've been dating for over 4 years now, and within a year, we'll be engaged...  couple 
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