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NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:00 pm

Down to the wire in the '07 season.

The Giants rally for 21 in the 4th to stun the Bills.
Da Bears destroy the Pack, giving Dallas Home Field.
Philly all but elimiates New Orleans.


And, in a span of about 40 seconds, Derrick Anderson took the Browns out of control of their own destiny. Anderson three 4 INT's, two of them within the last 90 seconds of the first half, that lead to 13 Cincinnati points, and the Browns second half rally came up short, losing to Cincy 19-14. The two picks were absolutely horrible passes, and now the Browns have to hope Tennessee loses today, or that the Browns win next week, and the Titans lose next week.

What's up with your team?

[Edited 2007-12-23 15:06:50]
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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:05 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
The Giants rally for 21 in the 4th to stun the Bills.

:D that was a great game.. hope they keep it going in the playoffs
 
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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:07 am

The bad news for the Browns: they lost and Tennesse won.

The good news: the Browns are at home next week against the 49ers; the Titans travel to Indy to meet the Colts.  Big grin
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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:13 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
The good news: the Browns are at home next week against the 49ers; the Titans travel to Indy to meet the Colts.

After the egg the Browns laid this week against the lowly Bengals, I wouldn't take the 49ers for granted. They are playing significantly better with Shaun Hill at the helm. Indy has absolutely nothing to play for, and Manning probably won't play more than a half, neither will Addai.
 
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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:20 am



Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 3):
After the egg the Browns laid this week against the lowly Bengals, I wouldn't take the 49ers for granted.

The egg was laid by D.A., no one else, really. The defense only gave up 6 points; the Browns moved the ball at will; the Bengels really did nothing without those two picks deep in Browns territory. They didn't take the Bengels lightly, I'm convinced, and they're at home next week, where they've been tough as nails since week #1. They won't be overconfident, but they will win that one, I'm pretty sure. They know what's on the line.
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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:20 am

I love my 'Fins but they showed why they are 1-14 today. If it weren't for mental blunders they might have kept it close.
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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:31 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4):
but they will win that one, I'm pretty sure.

Of course you're pretty sure, you're a Browns fan.  Wink Last year the 49ers spoiled the Broncos' playoff hopes, and this year they might do it to the Browns.

I'd actually prefer the Browns make it to the playoffs rather than the Titans, who are really a pretty lousy 9-6 team, and horrifically boring to watch. But I'd never root against my 49ers, especially since I want the Patriots to get the worst 1st round pick as humanly possible, since the Niners' pick is going to the Pats.
 
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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:48 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
The Giants rally for 21 in the 4th to stun the Bills.

With that win they are in the playoffs! And how about rookie RB Ahmad Bradsahw? He looked very good!

Got a question about next weeks Giants vs Pats game. Will it be on TV at all in the NY metro area? They said the game will be on the NFL network, but I don't have that channel. Maybe another NY channel will carry it?
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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:38 am

Hehe, well everything couldn't have happened better for my teams this weekend.

The Cowboys won on Saturday, and got some help from the Bears/Pack Special Teams today to seal up home field advantage throughout the playoffs.

My Titans won a(nother) hard fought game against the lowly Jets. I'm pretty disgusted with the Titans offensively (I don't feel like they're using VY's strengths), but their defense has looked really good (certainly better than everybody predicted). Thanks to some help from Derrick Anderson and the Browns, the Titans control their own destiny (sounds familiar...see week 17 last season), but have to travel to RCA to play the Colts. Honestly, I kind of like the Titans chances in this one. Historically, at least recent history, has seen this series played VERY tightly. As I recall, the last 3 games have been decided by < 7 points combined. The Colts have nothing to play for, and the Titans have everything to play for. Dungy has been very conservative in games like this, not risking injury to key players. The Titans could very well capitalize on the Colts sans Manning and Addai, among others. We'll know next Sunday. Looking forward to it!

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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 2:35 am

I 'can't believe we gave the Packers 2 of their 3 losses so far this season lol. Lovie is 4-0 at Green Bay. We own the Packers for now hehehehehehehehe.

Now whats this I hear about some returner at the Pats/Dolphins game getting hit in the face with the ball?? lmao
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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 3:07 am



Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 6):
Of course you're pretty sure, you're a Browns fan. Wink Last year the 49ers spoiled the Broncos' playoff hopes, and this year they might do it to the Browns.

Actually, it doesn't matter what happens in the Browns game. If the Browns lose, and the Titans win, the Titans are in by virtue of outright record. If the Browns win, and the Titans win, the Titans are in by virtue of the 3th tiebreaker. If the Browns lose and the Titans lose, the Browns are in by virtue of the 2nd tiebreaker. If the Browns win and the Titans lose, the Browns are in by virtue of outright record.

The 2nd and 4th tiebreakers are applicable. Even if both teams lose, they'll both be 9-7. The tiebreaker comes to the record vs. conference tiebreaker. Since the Browns have completed their conference schedule, their game next week doesn't really matter whatsoever. The Titans play an AFC team (Colts). If they win, they'll also be 7-5 in conference, and the tiebreaker would continue to the record vs. common opponents tiebreaker, where the Titans win that tiebreaker. If not, they'd be 6-6 which would be less than the 7-5 Browns, thus the Browns win the tiebreaker.

Just some insight into the process.

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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 3:19 am



Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 10):
If the Browns win, and the Titans win, the Titans are in by virtue of the 3th tiebreaker. If the Browns lose and the Titans lose, the Browns are in by virtue of the 2nd tiebreaker.

That's can't be right. The Browns and Titans both have the same record now. If they end up with the same record, are you telling me there are TWO set of tie-breaking rules here? If they both win, the Titans go, but if they both lose, the Browns go?

That's crazy. LOL.

And I see how you got there-but it's still nuts!
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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 3:29 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 11):
That's crazy. LOL.

Well, here are the rules if you can follow them!!! Note the final tie breaker is a coin toss!!!

TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM
If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.
1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.

Two Clubs
1. Head-to-head, if applicable.
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
4. Strength of victory.
5. Strength of schedule.
6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best net points in conference games.
9. Best net points in all games.
10. Best net touchdowns in all games.
11. Coin toss.


Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)
1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the three Wild-Card participants.
2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in conference games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss.
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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 3:41 am

Giants are heading to the playoffs for the third straight year- now they actually need to advance a round or two. Washington looks as though they'll hang on to beat Minnesota, which will hopefully allow the Giants to play Tampa in the first round instead of Seattle. (I think the Giants stand a much better chance of winning against the Bucs than the Seahawks).
Next week's game against the Patriots doesn't mean anything now to the Giants, at least as far as getting into the playoffs is concerned. On one hand, it would be nice if the Giants were the ones to wreck the Pats perfect season, but I don't think that will happen. If the Giants show-up to play, the Pats will clean up the floor with them, so it's a good thing the Giants clinched today. The Giants would be better off resting their starters and saving them for the games that really matter in January.

And my Bengals played spoiler on the Browns today. WHO-DEY! Not the prettiest win, but whatever it takes I guess. Next weeks game against Miami means nothing for either team though. Maybe the Bengals will be better off losing it for draft pick purposes, but I hope they don't play with that mentality. At least the Dolphins have already won a game so I don't have to worry about them being the ones to give the Dolphins their first win (thank you BAL!)
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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 3:58 am



Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 10):
Just some insight into the process.

Thanks for the update--I hadn't mentally updated the conference games today after each team played.

If anyone cares, I was leafing through my 2005 NFL Record & Fact Book (I have each edition from 1990-2007, but can't find my most recent ones right now, I'm a dork lol), and the furthest a tiebreaker has ever gone that I can find was in 1977, when the Bears beat out the Redskins based on better net points in conference games (+48 to +4). The tiebreaking procedures may have been changed, but that is #7 on the current list!
 
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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 4:11 am



Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 6):
specially since I want the Patriots to get the worst 1st round pick as humanly possible, since the Niners' pick is going to the Pats.

Yeah, don't you love it!?  Silly

Patriots: 15-0. Going to the Meadowlands next week, but the freakin game is Saturday on the NFL network. So excluding the crowd, only a few hundred thousand will see the game. What a joke.


Tom Brady is two away from breaking the TD record.

Randy Moss is two away from breaking the TD reception record.

Patriots are six points away from the most points scored in a season.

Patriots have broken the record for most touchdowns in a season.

Patriots have tied their own record for most consecutive wins.

And so many other records were broken this season. Absolutely amazing. And there is a good chance I will be there in NY to see the game!!!

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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 4:16 am

Assuming the Redskins go on to beat the Vikes (they're up 32-14 in the fourth)...then the Saints are still alive...barely. They need to win at Chicago next Sunday, then have both the Skins and the Vikes lose.

Btw, regarding the Pats/Giants game on TV...if the game is sold out, and I assume it is or will be, then it will be on local NYC TV on an over-the-air station. Of course, it should already be on a local NE station (as it's an away game). NFL Network for the other 27 people across the nation who pick it up.

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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:43 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 11):
That's can't be right. The Browns and Titans both have the same record now. If they end up with the same record, are you telling me there are TWO set of tie-breaking rules here? If they both win, the Titans go, but if they both lose, the Browns go?

Hehe, it's twisted, isn't it.

If the Titans win and Browns lose, the Titans will be 10-6, and the Browns 9-7, thus no tiebreaker is needed.

If the Browns and Titans win, they'll continue to have the same record, which will be 10-6. They'll also both be 7-5 in conference. As that record in conference is the 2nd tiebreaker step, as GuitrThree noted, after the non-applicable head-to-head, they'd move to the third, which is the record against common opponents. The common opponents are Cincinnati, Oakland, and Houston. Cleveland played Cincinnati twice, Tennessee played Houston twice. The combined record for Cleveland is 2-2, while Tennessee is 3-1. Therefore, Tennessee wins the tiebreaker, and the final wild card spot.

If the Titans lose and the Browns win, the Browns will be 10-6, and the Titans 9-7, thus no tiebreaker is needed.

If the Browns and Titans lose, they'll continue to have the same record, which will be 9-7. However, since the Titans final game is against an AFC opponent, unlike Cleveland, it will alter their record against Conference opponents. The Browns will remain 7-5, while the Titans would drop to 6-6. Therefore, Cleveland wins the tiebreaker, and the final wild card spot.

I think you understood all of this to begin with, and were more just surprised, but here it is anyway, just in case.

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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:46 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
What's up with your team?

Seahawks won 26-7 over the Ravens, and they'd be in much better shape had they beat the Panthers and the Browns. Just goes to show, you've got to win on the road

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 9):
'can't believe we gave the Packers 2 of their 3 losses so far this season lol.

Maybe the Cowboys sent their secret weapon, Jessica Simpson up to Soldier Field for a Packers game?
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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:48 am

Da Bears!

Oh man...even in one of his worse seasons, Lovie Smith can still stick his foot up the Pack's collective @ss!  Smile

So where are those who predicted the Bears would be picked apart?  Wink

Hope Favre dresses light for his trip to Dallas. Have Simpson stay at home.  Smile  Smile

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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:51 am

The Texans played a magnificent game through the first possession. The rest was unremarkable.  expressionless 

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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 6:38 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
or that the Browns win next week, and the Titans lose next week.

The outcome of the Browns game won't matter.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 10):
Actually, it doesn't matter what happens in the Browns game. If the Browns lose, and the Titans win, the Titans are in by virtue of outright record. If the Browns win, and the Titans win, the Titans are in by virtue of the 3th tiebreaker. If the Browns lose and the Titans lose, the Browns are in by virtue of the 2nd tiebreaker. If the Browns win and the Titans lose, the Browns are in by virtue of outright record.

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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 11):
And I see how you got there-but it's still nuts!

check out the Browns website. They have the entire thing explained in details.

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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:32 am



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 18):

Seahawks won 26-7 over the Ravens, and they'd be in much better shape had they beat the Panthers and the Browns. Just goes to show, you've got to win on the road

Very true. I was glad to see #37 actually moving the ball down the field today, even had a touchdown. So, this is my Seahawks picture of the week - something we haven't seen nearly enough of this season:


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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:43 am



Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 19):
Da Bears!

Oh man...even in one of his worse seasons, Lovie Smith can still stick his foot up the Pack's collective @ss!

So where are those who predicted the Bears would be picked apart?

Hope Favre dresses light for his trip to Dallas. Have Simpson stay at home.

Ha-Haaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!

I am sure the Bears will enjoy the playoffs from the couch this year!

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 9):
Lovie is 4-0 at Green Bay. We own the Packers for now hehehehehehehehe.

Wrong! Packers beat your Lovie last game of the season last year!
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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:20 am



Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 21):
The bottom line is: Indianapolis will determine our fate. If they win, we're in. If they lose, we're out.

Can't bear to say TENNESSEE determines your fate, can you?  Wink Just kidding.

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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:28 pm



Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 6):
But I'd never root against my 49ers, especially since I want the Patriots to get the worst 1st round pick as humanly possible, since the Niners' pick is going to the Pats.

I cringe every time I read this painful factoid. WTF were the 49ers thinking when they made that bonehead deal?

Well, there's always next year. Time to sh*tcan Alex Smith for starters.
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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 2:01 pm



Quoting Halls120 (Reply 25):
I cringe every time I read this painful factoid. WTF were the 49ers thinking when they made that bonehead deal?

The 49ers actually thought they would be a contender in 2007, given the way they finished 2006. Ugh.  Yeah sure

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 25):
Well, there's always next year. Time to sh*tcan Alex Smith for starters.

I wish they would, but with all the money they have invested in him, he'll be back. Shaun Hill has actually created a semi-spark on that offense. 21 points yesterday--that's an offensive EXPLOSION for the 49ers.
 
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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:54 pm



Quoting UAXDXer (Reply 23):
I am sure the Bears will enjoy the playoffs from the couch this year!

Enjoy your trip to Dallas.  Smile We're having a pretty Merry Christmas right now. How about you?

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Tue Dec 25, 2007 3:33 am

I'm beginning to think that the broncos need a new offensive line.
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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:39 pm

Well, the Vikings managed to piss away their destiny by playing Washington like they did the Bears. Problem is, the Redskins are a better team than the Bears, and were able to move the ball on us pretty consistently. Couple that with the fact that when Tarvaris Jackson plays mistake-free ball, they win. When he doesn't, they don't (Bears game not withstanding). The really painful thing about it was I managed to score 50-yard line seats to the game, and that was how the team rewarded me.

Now they have to beat Denver, and Washington has to lose to Dallas' second-team in order for us to make the playoffs. If they play like the last two games, they won't make it, or won't go anywhere if they somehow happen to.
 
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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:49 pm



Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 19):
Da Bears!

Got Lucky . . . . they'll be watching any play-offs from the sidelines . . .

Packers sucked this weekend though, that's for certain . . .
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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:40 pm



Quoting Halls120 (Reply 25):
I cringe every time I read this painful factoid. WTF were the 49ers thinking when they made that bonehead deal?

They were thinking they were getting a good OT (Joe Staley) that could sure up the offensive line... I guess not so much. (Pats traded their 2007 first rd pick for a 3rd round pick and the 2008 first rd pick)

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 15):
Patriots have tied their own record for most consecutive wins.

Most consecutive regular season wins. They also hold the record for most consecutive wins including playoffs at 21. (Oct 5, 2003 to Oct 24, 2004)

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 15):
Tom Brady is two away from breaking the TD record.

Randy Moss is two away from breaking the TD reception record.

Patriots are six points away from the most points scored in a season.

Patriots have broken the record for most touchdowns in a season.

Patriots have tied their own record for most consecutive wins.

And so many other records were broken this season. Absolutely amazing. And there is a good chance I will be there in NY to see the game!!!

The only record I care about is 3-0 in the playoffs.

That said, another little tidbit: If both CLE and WSH make the playoffs, and NE beats NYG on Saturday, then the Patriots would be 7-0 against playoff teams this year.
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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:31 pm



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 15):
Patriots: 15-0. Going to the Meadowlands next week, but the freakin game is Saturday on the NFL network. So excluding the crowd, only a few hundred thousand will see the game. What a joke.

Got good news. The game will be simulcast on NBC and CBS.  hyper   bigthumbsup 

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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:01 pm



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 15):
Patriots are six points away from the most points scored in a season.

The last two teams to set the scoring record didn't win the Super Bowl. Washington scored 541 in 1983, and lost in SB XVIII to the Raiders, and Minnesota scored 556 in 1998 and lost to the Falcons in the NFC Champ. Game. Maybe it's a curse?  Wink
 
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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:49 am



Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 33):
The last two teams to set the scoring record didn't win the Super Bowl. Washington scored 541 in 1983, and lost in SB XVIII to the Raiders, and Minnesota scored 556 in 1998 and lost to the Falcons in the NFC Champ. Game. Maybe it's a curse?

Perhaps... but one thing is for certain, Tom Brady is NOT cursed...  Wink
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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:42 am



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 30):
Got Lucky . . . . they'll be watching any play-offs from the sidelines . . .

Packers sucked this weekend though, that's for certain . . .

They may be on the couch...but at least they don't have to travel to Dallas.

 Smile

Perhaps though Orton is building confidence in the coaching staff. Maybe Smith will commit to him. It'd be interesting to see if he develops into something, or just becomes a flash in the pan. He was in the running for the Heisman before he hit the bottle...

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RE: NFL Week 16-How'd Team Do?

Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:33 am



Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 35):
They may be on the couch...but at least they don't have to travel to Dallas.

Only if Dallas wins and with the way Dallas is playing it looks like the only place the Packers will be traveling to is Arizona.
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Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos