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Man Molests Child On HA Flight To PHX

Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:50 pm

From the East Valley Times, looks to be a week old:
Phoenix police arrested a 40-year-old man Friday on suspicion of molesting a 13-year-old girl on a flight from Hawaii to Sky Harbor International Airport.

According to a complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Phoenix, Shawn Michael Cole was seated next to the girl on the Hawaiian Airlines flight that began on Thursday.

Police said the girl and Cole struck up a conversation and watched a movie together on Cole’s laptop, and she told him her age.

Police said the girl’s lap and Cole’s lap were covered by blankets, and she was resting her eyes when he started to molest her, according to the complaint.

The girl “pretended to be asleep during the incident because she was afraid,” detective Todd Hopper wrote.

A flight attendant saw Cole caressing the girl and asked him if they were traveling together.

Cole said yes and the girl said no. Police said the flight attendant moved the girl and she told him what happened.

Cole denied touching the girl and then later told police he had masturbated beside her.
Cole is in custody, and a judge will decide today at 4 p.m. whether he will get bail.


First of all, hats off to the HA flight attendant that noticed what was going on and took action. This poor excuse for a person, will quickly realize that Arizona is one of the worst places to be charged with this type of crime, hence the fact he has been held without bail. It perhaps that the victim was an UAM.
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:55 pm

Jesus, sickos get everywhere. This incident reminds me though about the thread a while ago asking about various airlines policies towards unaccompanied minors and only seating them next to women. I guess this kind of incident only proves why such a policy might be needed.


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Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:59 pm



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1):
I guess this kind of incident only proves why such a policy might be needed.

One incident gives evidence, not proof.... although I do agree with the general idea.
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Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:02 pm



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1):
This incident reminds me though about the thread a while ago asking about various airlines policies towards unaccompanied minors and only seating them next to women. I guess this kind of incident only proves why such a policy might be needed.

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This should be the policy of all airlines. Well done to the FA . It must have been horrific for the girl.
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:04 pm



Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 2):
One incident gives evidence, not proof.... although I do agree with the general idea.

Indeed, I'm not attempting to blanket condemn the seating of men next to children but, as I said, it suggests why such policies might be needed
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Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:05 pm



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1):
This incident reminds me though about the thread a while ago asking about various airlines policies towards unaccompanied minors and only seating them next to women

I don't think you could have a policy like that. I'll give you an example. A few months ago I was in seat 1A flying NW STL-DTW. There was a girl about 8-10 next to me in 2A. She was flying alone. Every other person in F was a man. What do you do then? The parents paid for an F seat probably so the FA could keep a close eye on her. If there was such a rule that girl would not have been able to take that flight.

Women molest children too. There have been several incidents in the Detroit area recently. There is a sex offender in my neighborhood who is on the list for having sexual relations with a child under 13. That person is a woman. She lives three blocks over.
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Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:06 pm

If she was a UAM, HA are going to be in a bit of trouble.
I dont know if the rule is the same, but on UK airlines, UAM's are not to be seated near Male Passengers for obvious reasons.
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Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:08 pm



Quoting Trekster (Reply 7):
If she was a UAM, HA are going to be in a bit of trouble.
I dont know if the rule is the same, but on UK airlines, UAM's are not to be seated near Male Passengers for obvious reasons.

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Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:11 pm



Quoting Trekster (Reply 7):
UAM's are not to be seated near Male Passengers for obvious reasons.

Ah yes, all of us males are child molesters.

That is the kind of nonsense that made people think that all homosexual men like little boys. If that was the case the same reasoning would dictate all straight men like little girls and that certainly isn't the case.
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Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:12 pm

Boston, I had. I was adding my own comment, and also some posts were made while I was writing my post.

The question about UAM's and seating policy on HA has not been answered
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Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:12 pm

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 6):
Women molest children too. There have been several incidents in the Detroit area recently. There is a sex offender in my neighborhood who is on the list for having sexual relations with a child under 13. That person is a woman. She lives three blocks over.

Oh yes, I am well aware of that. I don't have a link to the thread in question, but if you do a search and look back over it there was some very relevant discussion along this line of topic - the situation you mention would indeed be an interesting one should it have been on a different airline employing such a policy regarding UAMs, unless they disregard it for F and C classes... not the best idea though, as this kind of person (perverts etc...) come from all walks of life.


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Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:14 pm



Quoting Trekster (Reply 10):

Even so, it would be airline policy and not US law, so HA could not possibly be in any trouble.
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Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:17 pm

I mean if its a HA rule not to seat a UAM next to a Male and they did, someone in the airline is going to be in trouble.
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RE: Man Molests Child On HA Flight To PHX

Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:59 am

Sometimes I have seen UM's place adjacent to families or older couples. That makes a lot of sense.
Still, it is sad how someone would consider such acts anyplace, especially in a contained space of an aircraft. I hope this person (if convicted or pleas guilt) faces severe penalties. If convicted, even after they get out of jail, they will have their ability to work or choices on where to live or be severely resticted.
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:35 am

Maybe instead the airlines should make it a policy to block the seat adjacent to a UM, as they do with premier frequent flyers, or if that's not possible, assign an employee to fly with them as an "escort", said employee sitting next to the UM during the flight, assisting with stowage of carryon items and whatnot and accompanying them to the pickup area at the destination.

Kudos to the HA flight attendant for noticing the inappropriate behavior and moving the UM to another seat.
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RE: Man Molests Child On HA Flight To PHX

Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:47 am



Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 14):
Maybe instead the airlines should make it a policy to block the seat adjacent to a UM, as they do with premier frequent flyers, or if that's not possible, assign an employee to fly with them as an "escort", said employee sitting next to the UM during the flight, assisting with stowage of carryon items and whatnot and accompanying them to the pickup area at the destination.

I think most airlines charge an additional fee for UM tickets, so unless a flight is absolutely full, blocking the seat wouldn't be a huge difficulty. An escort would cost an awful lot for the airline, though I'm sure some people would be willing to pay. Simply seating unaccompanied minors in rows opposite the FA jumpseats would probably work just fine.

Would an air marshal blow his/her "cover" (pathetic as it is, usually) to arrest someone like this?

I presume this creep will find himself on the do-not-fly list if he ever gets out of prison...
 
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RE: Man Molests Child On HA Flight To PHX

Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:31 am



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 13):
it is sad how someone would consider such acts anyplace, especially in a contained space of an aircraft

I once caught a student "going to town by himself" in the auto shop next to the tire machine. A female student saw him and reported it to me and I went and interrupted. He was sent to the office and never came back to my class. I guess some people just cannot control themselves.
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RE: Man Molests Child On HA Flight To PHX

Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:39 am

I had not heard anything of this incident, but will try and get some answers tomorrow when I go to work. At first glance, something seems wrong with the story. It has been my experience (I've been flying with HA for 23 years) that UM's on our flights are placed in either row 12 or 13 and are not seated next to anyone. Clearly there are times when this wont always be the case (if the flight is completely full) but if the FA working this flight was later able to move the UM to an empty seat, then that meant the flight was not full and there should not have been anyone next to the UM in the first place.
Again, I'll try and find out more and report back.

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Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:15 am

Ok, some more on this story. I just watched our 5:00pm news on KITV and it was the lead story. As I originally thought, something seemed to be missing with this story and as it turns out, the 13 year old girl was not a UM. She was actually travelling with a "parent". (The news story did not say which one). Apparently, the flight passenger load was very light and the girl separated from her parent to spread out and have more room. She took a window seat with the aisle next to her vacant. Later on during flight, she struck up a conversation with a married Pearl Harbor based sailor that was seated on an aisle seat in the center section and he apparently asked her if she wanted to watch a movie with him on his laptop. He then moved over to the aisle seat next to the girl (on the two seater side) and that's when the incident occurred. The reporter gave praise to the flight attendant for taking appropriate action and recognizing there was a problem. The married Navy man has small children and was on his way to visit his mother in Arizona. If KITV puts a link to the story on it's website, I will it here.

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RE: Man Molests Child On HA Flight To PHX

Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:16 am



Quoting ThreeIfByAir (Reply 15):
Simply seating unaccompanied minors in rows opposite the FA jumpseats would probably work just fine.

Flight attendants sit next to emergency exits. A 13 year old UAM isn't going to meet the exit row seating criteria, so it some cases it would be impossible to have the unaccompanied minor seated opposite the FA jumpseat.
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Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:05 am

Thanks for the info HA763, clears alot of things up.
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Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:20 pm

I can't believe people like this... He had a good career, a good family, and yet its people like this that give other males a bad name. Kudos to the crew for taking action and having this sick bastard arrested and charged. Hopefully he'll be spending 20 in jail.
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Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:26 pm



Quoting HALFA (Reply 18):
Ok, some more on this story. I just watched our 5:00pm news on KITV and it was the lead story. As I originally thought, something seemed to be missing with this story and as it turns out, the 13 year old girl was not a UM.

Thanks for the follow-up, just gotta love the Phoenix media..
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:47 pm

According to this mornings paper charges are filed in US District Court; didn't get bail, judge stated it would be to easy for the defendant to flee..
 
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RE: Man Molests Child On HA Flight To PHX

Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:52 pm

Let this bastard rot in prison for a long time.

Very glad he didn't get bail.
 
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RE: Man Molests Child On HA Flight To PHX

Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:23 pm

First of all its really sad news this had to happen

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1):
This incident reminds me though about the thread a while ago asking about various airlines policies towards unaccompanied minors and only seating them next to women. I guess this kind of incident only proves why such a policy might be needed.



Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 14):
Maybe instead the airlines should make it a policy to block the seat adjacent to a UM, as they do with premier frequent flyers, or if that's not possible, assign an employee to fly with them as an "escort", said employee sitting next to the UM during the flight, assisting with stowage of carryon items and whatnot and accompanying them to the pickup area at the destination.

At SQ if anyone is under the age of 17 they have to be a UAM when traveling alone and the seating prodcedure is that the UAM can only sit in a window seat if a female is sitting next to him or if the seat is blocked. Not too sure whether a man can sit in the aisle though when the middle is blocked.
 
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RE: Man Molests Child On HA Flight To PHX

Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:07 pm



Quoting HALFA (Reply 18):
Later on during flight, she struck up a conversation with a married Pearl Harbor based sailor that was seated on an aisle seat in the center section and he apparently asked her if she wanted to watch a movie with him on his laptop.

It would have helped if parents told the girl that striking a conversation with a complete stranger is not always a good idea, not to mention accepting anything from him.

The man has no excuse, of course, but a little prevention is always useful.
 
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RE: Man Molests Child On HA Flight To PHX

Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:13 pm

What will the US Navy do? Is this the reason a Federal Court is involved. Sick a-hole. It breaks my heart to hear something like this.

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Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:40 pm



Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 28):
Is this the reason a Federal Court is involved

I would think the feds are involved because of it happening on a plane while it was flying; Interstate Commerce... Same with screwing around with railroads. I had a students who was caught screwing around with railroad signals. It was a federal charge because of interstate commerce.
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RE: Man Molests Child On HA Flight To PHX

Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:58 am



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1):
This incident reminds me though about the thread a while ago asking about various airlines policies towards unaccompanied minors and only seating them next to women.

Unless they are high school teachers.  Wink
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RE: Man Molests Child On HA Flight To PHX

Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:15 am



Quoting Trekster (Reply 12):
I mean if its a HA rule not to seat a UAM next to a Male and they did, someone in the airline is going to be in trouble.

What if there are no females on a flight? It can happen.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 23):
gotta love the Phoenix media..

Thankfully the PHX media is not alone.

Kudos to the HA flight attendant and crew. Good intuition.

For the record, with CO (and I am sure it is the same for all airlines), all flight attendants are aware of who the UNAMs (or UMs - what we call unaccompanied minors) are/is and where they are/is sitting. As lead, I always talk to the UMs, let then know who I am, my name, where to find me and if they need anything at all, beat someone up  Wink , take care of something, etc. to let me or anyone of the crew know. There is no such thing as a stupid question. Ever. Some kids are shy or quiet and then we keep a bigger eye on them.

That and to come back to galleys (any of them) if they just want to hang out with us.

Travelling alone can be scary for a kid. We try to do what we can to make their world a little less frightening.

I hope this scumbag loses custody of his kids, wife files for divorce and finds a huge built man in prison to make him his bitch during his 'stay' to remind him why what he did was a bad thing. That, public humiliation, job loss and a really long sentence should do. I have zero tolerance for child molesters. Zero.
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RE: Man Molests Child On HA Flight To PHX

Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:08 am



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 29):
I would think the feds are involved because of it happening on a plane while it was flying; Interstate Commerce...

You're right, to bad the state penalties in Arizona are much worst than the Feds.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 28):
What will the US Navy do?

Courtmartial comes to mind, conduct unbecoming would be a start.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 31):
I hope this scumbag loses custody of his kids, wife files for divorce

If the wife was smart, she would have filed for divorce within 24 hours of arrest, then daddy wouldn't be able to contest custody..
 
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RE: Man Molests Child On HA Flight To PHX

Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:49 am



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 31):


That and to come back to galleys (any of them) if they just want to hang out with us.

I always did that even if my parents were aboard.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 32):

Courtmartial comes to mind, conduct unbecoming would be a start.

Well, i hope he gets 10 in Leavenworth.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 32):
If the wife was smart, she would have filed for divorce within 24 hours of arrest, then daddy wouldn't be able to contest custody..

I think she did as she already sold the house.

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