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Life On Mars Returns: Ashes To Ashes

Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:26 pm

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RE: Life On Mars Returns: Ashes To Ashes

Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:38 pm

Sweet!

I'll certainly be watching it! That review seems very promising.

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RE: Life On Mars Returns: Ashes To Ashes

Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:57 pm

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RE: Life On Mars Returns: Ashes To Ashes

Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:01 am

I saw a few seconds of it on BBC-A - is it a good show? Tell us more about it! A thread by an A.net Titan deserves more  Smile
 
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RE: Life On Mars Returns: Ashes To Ashes

Sat Jan 26, 2008 3:00 am

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RE: Life On Mars Returns: Ashes To Ashes

Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:42 pm

Thanks! I'll give it a try. Are you part of the "Battlestar Galactica" cult on a.net too? I am, and feel it is my mission to brainwash others into watching it!

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Sat Jan 26, 2008 3:13 pm

I am also a member of a UK based website and forum about Austin-Rover and their historically related brand group cars (Morris, MG, original Mini, others) and they had a number of threads about the 'Life on Mars' show and this new 'Ashes to Ashes' one. Mainly they got excited about the period cars used in these shows.
It is interesting how these shows have been successful. To me, part of that is it shows a time before AIDS, before cell phones, before personal computers, before civil rights being strictly enforced, before the rise of Islamic based terrorism in Europe (although the IRA terror in the the 1990's may have been much worse as to the UK), men were men and women still kinda 'knew their place', cars that didn't look like each other. It is also a contrast to the more highbrow UK based police shows, like "Inspector Morse".
I think a USA version of the show would have to be like the original 'Starksey and Hutch' of the 1970's with it's cultural references, but would have to be too PC as to women, sex, and so on.
 
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Sat Jan 26, 2008 4:25 pm



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 6):
It is interesting how these shows have been successful.

Well, it's simply because of the quality of the writing and acting. It struggled to get commissioned because the idea was so preposterous, but they managed to make it work to the surprise of more or less everyone. Pulling that off must have been exceptionally difficult, but it did mean that it was truly unusual and intriguing. The other thing was that it was kept short, just 12 episodes of Life on Mars, which means that it didn't fall into the Lost trap of causing everyone to lose patience. The final bit of the jigsaw was that the writers didn't bottle the ending and make it a happy one; it was a really rather shocking finale, that had the viewers thinking "Bloody hell!".

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 6):
To me, part of that is it shows a time before AIDS, before cell phones, before personal computers, before civil rights being strictly enforced, before the rise of Islamic based terrorism in Europe (although the IRA terror in the the 1990's may have been much worse as to the UK), men were men and women still kinda 'knew their place', cars that didn't look like each other.

To some extent. They didn't duck those issues at all, and the discrimination against women and the Irish was well highlighted. There was an undercurrent of bleakness about the early seventies that wasn't avoided. And they were pretty skilful in dealing with the question of racism, because the writers freely admitted that their difficulty was how to include it without making the principals deeply unlikeable.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 6):
It is also a contrast to the more highbrow UK based police shows, like "Inspector Morse".

An interesting thought. In many ways I think Life on Mars was far more highbrow in its concepts than the rather silly and plodding Inspector Morse; certainly it provoked more thought about the nature of things. Just because it was escapist on one sense doesn't alter that, and the above-mentioned Battlestar Galactica is an excellent example of using fantasy to raise difficult issues.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 6):
I think a USA version of the show would have to be like the original 'Starksey and Hutch' of the 1970's with it's cultural references, but would have to be too PC as to women, sex, and so on.

They are trying to make one, I believe. But the whole attractiveness of the show is that it absolutely ISN'T PC in any of those respects, just the absolute opposite. The means of getting round the issue of offensiveness is by having the modern day character as the conscience of the viewer. But the gloriously unrestricted political incorrectness of Life on Mars was part of the appeal, and if they scratch that from an American version, it will fail. It's no coincidence that the Gene Hunt character is the one that's entered public consciousness, not the rather earnest Sam Tyler one.
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RE: Life On Mars Returns: Ashes To Ashes

Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:47 pm

Darn, I'm gonna have to watch this show now. I've just gotten unhooked from "House" with the writer's strike, but this means back to the Telly again.
 
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RE: Life On Mars Returns: Ashes To Ashes

Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:46 pm

Looking forward to it, since I so loved Life On Mars.
But hoping they've not stretched the whole idea too far.

Interesting time policing wise, 1981.
The year of major riots in several major cities, the worst by far, in living memory.
On the back of the long term social/economic problems of inner cities, accelerating towards a seeming collapse.
Riots in truth, often provoked by the Police, who were usually just doing a tough job in a tough area, but one simmering, often with anger about Police racism, which was for real all too often.

And when a remarkable fly on the wall doc, Police was aired, which caused controversy and a national debate, even leading to changes in Police procedure.
Notoriously, the one where an alleged rape victim was questioned by two male detectives, in a stark, harsh room, it and the officers right out of Life On Mars .
Her anonymity was protected, her dignity, at the hands of the officers, was not.
Treated like a hooker, the questioning not just insensitive, but often lewd.

One of these officers, was a quite newly minted detective, swaggering and playing to the camera, come to think of it, 20 years later we'd see a fictional character in a comedy that was groundbreaking, the cop was just like David Brent from The Office .
Later in the series, he's called in to his boss, I've not forgotten what the senior officer said as a preamble, 'the thing is, the rest of the boys think your..well...a bit of a bloody joke'
The swaggering detective actually breaks down as he's told he's not longer a detective, he even rings his mother.
I cannot remember his name, why he was no longer a detective, the doc not repeated in 25 years, but I still remember it.

I can well see a better than usual pool for the writers of Ashes To Ashes , setting it in another bleak year, 1981.

But, I hoped that Horses Arse , a mid 70's set novel by 30 year police veteran Charlie Owen, would be adapted.
Since it's bloody hilarious, rude, scatological, black comedic and vivid.
Couldn't show a decent, faithful adaptation at 9.00 though, I'm enjoying the follow up, set in the long hot summer of 1976, the sequel to Horses Arse, Foxtrot Oscar .
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RE: Life On Mars Returns: Ashes To Ashes

Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:03 pm

For the more absent minded amonst us, it starts tonight, 9pm BBC1.

Fire up the Quattro...
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RE: Life On Mars Returns: Ashes To Ashes

Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:12 pm

So what did we think?

Quoting Sean377 (Reply 10):
Fire up the Quattro...

Like this?  Wink

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RE: Life On Mars Returns: Ashes To Ashes

Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:52 pm

Clearly this is The Gene Hunt Show .
The character and his subordinates are very funny, at times it could have been almost Carry On Detective .

Dramatically, allowing for first episode set up, it was poor, she's a good actress but Keely Hawkes character did not convince in the way that Sam Tyler did.
Her linkage with Sam Tyler was clunky too.

Also, the attention to detail from Life On Mars was not carried over, drug dealers with Uzi's in 1981? Gene Hunt with the same?
(No British Policeman has ever carried one, his huge great revolver too, it would have been a short barelled S & W Detective Special, same appiled to the Brownings the others carried).
Yuppies was 5 years too soon for 1981, the old style city gents still ruled the roost then, not for very much longer, but this was pre 'Big Bang'.

Life On Mars was a drama with some comedy, this is much more about comedy, but from famillar characters.
It is still about the best thing on though, still, a better spin off would have been, as mentioned, Charlie Owen's very funny 1970's set novel, Horses Arse .
But a decent adaptation would have had to go out an hour later at 10.00 pm.
 
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RE: Life On Mars Returns: Ashes To Ashes

Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:47 pm

I heard a lot of folk saying today at work that they were disappointed.

I wasn't however!

We have scant to watch on the telly at the mo, and I have to admit it kept me glued to the telly for the full hour. I think the plot will thicken significantly and surprise us as the producers knew what we were expecting, I seriously doubt that they are idiots.

I'm all for it and will anticipate each episode.

Plus, I need an "I'd Hit It" pic to describe the female lead.  Wink

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Sat Feb 09, 2008 12:01 am

I thought that there was enough there to show promise for the rest of the series. Part way through it occurred to me that the fundamental problem with episode one was that by definition it was going to cover exactly the same ground as episode one of Life on Mars. So they had to try to use other bits and pieces to make it that bit different. And remember, of course, that we had no idea where LoM was going at the time.

So enough promise for the future. 1981 is actually a really good time to set it, because the whole country was going through a massive upheaval at the time. I think they'll be able to have some fun with it; some gentle hints, that Sam Tyler lived seven years in the blink of an eye as he jumped off the building (and remember, she knows he died in the real world), could well be part of what they explore as it goes on.
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Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:16 am



Quoting Banco (Reply 14):
I thought that there was enough there to show promise for the rest of the series.

Agreed. I feel that bearing in mind the acumen of the writers (based on their previous work) that they'll treat the viewer in the end. Some of the press say that they may have allegedly sold out for the cheap sequel quid, but I think this now may be the finale to their greater master plan and planned have a few surprises in store.

I honestly think, bearing in mind that I personally enjoyed the first episode, that it will get better and better.

I'm just waiting for a damned moment in my life when I can use one of Gene Hunt's lines!



Kieron


PS. Did you see the answer to a previous threads qustion, whether Sam Tyler was dead or not? In Ashes to Ashes we saw his 'suicide' report in a paper...
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Quoting Kieron747 (Reply 15):
I think this now may be the finale to their greater master plan and planned have a few surprises in store.

Watching Philip Glenister tonight on Jonathan Ross, he was saying how he himself thought it make take a couple of episodes before people began to realise what they were actually doing with this series. It HAS to be different to Life on Mars, it just can't repeat the same things, it needs to do something else.

Quoting Kieron747 (Reply 15):

PS. Did you see the answer to a previous threads qustion, whether Sam Tyler was dead or not? In Ashes to Ashes we saw his 'suicide' report in a paper...

Well, to be honest I thought it was pretty straightforward anyway, that Sam Tyler jumped off the roof to return to 1973, and was back there in the very brief period between life and death after doing so. They've just re-inforced that in the opening to Ashes to Ashes. I felt that a lot of people didn't like the bleedin' obvious because of the slightly (!!) bleak ending of having the main character commit suicide!
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Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:10 am



Quoting Banco (Reply 7):
The other thing was that it was kept short, just 12 episodes of Life on Mars, which means that it didn't fall into the Lost trap of causing everyone to lose patience.

Actually, both series of LoM were 8 episodes.
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Quoting Scbriml (Reply 17):
Actually, both series of LoM were 8 episodes.

Was it? I thought it was six in each. Ah, well....they just flew by because they were so good, obviously.  Wink
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Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:33 pm

Banco,

Thanks for getting me hooked on the series! I have watched all the episodes in season 2 and tonight I will watch the Finale - and find out if it's a dream, a coma or whatever! How come you Brits are such great actors? To others in the US - BBC America On Demand has all of season 2 available.
 
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RE: Life On Mars Returns: Ashes To Ashes

Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:38 pm



Quoting Comorin (Reply 19):
Thanks for getting me hooked on the series!

Hah! Excellent!

Quoting Comorin (Reply 19):
and tonight I will watch the Finale - and find out if it's a dream, a coma or whatever!

I promise you one thing: You will not find the last episode a disappointment. The most common reaction at the end here when it was shown was "Bloody hell. Bloody, bloody, hell". They absolutely do NOT bottle the ending. It's genuinely shocking.
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RE: Life On Mars Returns: Ashes To Ashes

Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:32 pm

I just finished watching the Finale - amazing! Hope I can get a DVD of season 1 somehow, somewhere - maybe go back in time?

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RE: Life On Mars Returns: Ashes To Ashes

Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:42 am

Series 2 of Life on Mars starts for us tomorrow night on the ABC (now called ABC1) at 8.30pm.

No doubt we'll have to wait until next year for Ashes to Ashes.
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