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Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:12 pm

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew..._caution_080115/20080125?hub=World


Complete Jack-assery


It's a shame. I used to respect Australia...

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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:15 pm



Quoting AF340 (Thread starter):
Complete Jack-assery


It's a shame. I used to respect Australia...

Liam spin

Do not take that "personal"....they just use the "cya-method" (cover your a**) on this official website.
 
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:17 pm



Quoting AF340 (Thread starter):
It's a shame. I used to respect Australia...

I still do, hot women with Australian accents, how can you go wrong.

I'm sure it's just some government bureaucracy deal, I really don't think many Australians would take this advice to heart. Anyhow, their government can say whatever they want, I'll still love their women.
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:18 pm



Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 1):
Do not take that "personal"....they just use the "cya-method" (cover your a**) on this official website.

See that's the thing, I never had heard of the aussie's as being like that. It's a shame.



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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:29 pm

I dont see whats wrong.

Canada is a country that could be subject to terrorism, just like any western country.
It winters can be deadly and bad.

So what if there warning Aussies about it, there warned about the UK/us and all other places, just like most other Governments would warn about travel to places around the world.

Nowt wrong with it at all
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:32 pm

Go to the website www.smarttraveller.gov.au and you will see that a lot of countries have this 'exercise caution' status. If you look at the warning for Canada you will see that it relates to natural disasters because most Australians have no idea what it's like to drive in snow etc. Australia's cities don't get snow with the exception of Canberra on rare occasions. The stuff about terrorism and crime is just common sense stuff.

The category Canada is in is the second lowest. Obviously it was a slow news day and your media had nothing better to do the rag on Australia  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:34 pm



Quoting AF340 (Thread starter):
Complete Jack-assery
It's a shame. I used to respect Australia...

Puh-leeez!  Smile

Take a look at the website in question. Can be found here (complete list of countries here).

Almost ALL countries are on the same security level (which is the 2nd-lowest of 5) as Canada (including USA, UK, Germany and France), mostly because of the omni-present terrorist threat. For Canada, this seems to be the only reason for the warnings. In Germany, we have at least violent mass protests and racist youth groups, to add some spice (yee-hah!).

Only mega-peaceful countries like Finland (where people would follow your car over miles, to return your purse full of $$$ which you accidentally lost at the supermarket) have the lowest security rating.

Okay, the site is made up in a somewhat bureaucratic language. So some Canadian journo, lacking something good to write about, made a "story" out of that.

No need to declare war on Australia.  Wink Actually, I am quite sure you will find the same kind of information on many foreign affairs websites of befriended countries. No big deal.

Lean back, have a glass of fine Australian Syrah and watch the Simpsons episode "Bart vs. Australia", and things will soon brighten up again...  Wink
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:35 pm



Quote:
Overall, Canada is listed in the second safest category (out of five categories) on the website -- the 'Exercise caution' section. Out of the G8 nations, the U.S., U.K, France, Germany and Italy also are listed in the 'Exercise caution' category.

Meh.

Category 1 is probably reserved for lolipops, kisses from kindly grandmothers and Japan.

Looks like any real developed nation is at least category 2.
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:35 pm



Quoting AF340 (Reply 3):
See that's the thing, I never had heard of the aussie's as being like that. It's a shame.

These are not the aussie people, this is the official government.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 5):
because most Australians have no idea what it's like to drive in snow

From my own experience I can tell you Irish people neither  Wink  Smile
 
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:36 pm

Canada dangerous?

Only if you're a baby harp seal.
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:39 pm



Quoting MDorBust (Reply 7):
Category 1 is probably reserved for lolipops, kisses from kindly grandmothers and Japan.

Wow, Japan is cat. 1, indeed. Somebody should tell the Aussies about Hitoshimoka... Big grin
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:42 pm



Quoting ZakHH (Reply 10):
Wow, Japan is cat. 1, indeed. Somebody should tell the Aussies about Hitoshimoka...

There's already a warning in there...

Quote:
Wildlife Watching

Australians are advised to maintain a safe and legal distance when observing wildlife, including marine animals and birds. You should only use reputable and professional guides or tour operators and closely follow park regulations and wardens' advice.

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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:43 pm

Not much different on the Canadian site for visiting 'down under'.
http://www.voyage.gc.ca/dest/report-en.asp?country=17000

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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:08 am

It's quite gratifying to be called "dangerous" by a country that is surrounded by shark-infested waters, has 8 of the world's ten deadliest snakes, several deadly spiders, cassowaries and kangaroos that can knock you silly, and crocodiles that will swallow you whole. I'm sure I've missed a few hazards. Oh yeah I forgot ... Aussie rules football.

Seriously, Australia is one of my favourite places on earth. Oh well, I'm off to Whistler this weekend -- where half the population is from Oz and seems not to be too concerned about winter or terrorists.

g'day.
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:16 am

Quoting Arrow (Reply 13):
I'm off to Whistler this weekend -- where half the population is from Oz

I know it is a famous tourist region, but is that the "famous" region for the newly weds and nearly deads from down under and elsewhere ?

[Edited 2008-01-25 16:18:16]
 
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:24 am



Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 14):
I know it is a famous tourist region, but is that the "famous" region for the newly weds and nearly deads from down under and elsewhere ?

I hadn't heard that -- but half the lift operators, ski/board instructors, bartenders, waiters, etc., etc, are from Australia. The Aussie government's warning about bad winters is falling on deaf ears (and the weather forecast is calling for snow over the next three days).

Two of BC's Interior ski hills -- Big White and Silver Star -- are owned by an Australian company. When cross country skiing at Silver Star, twice now we've run into the Australian national junior team out for exercise. So much for the bad winter warning.
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:27 am



Quoting Arrow (Reply 15):
When cross country skiing at Silver Star, twice now we've run into the Australian national junior team out for exercise. So much for the bad winter warning.

No warning on an official government site can ever change the "no worries" mentality of the Aussie people.  Wink
 
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:29 am



Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 2):
I still do, hot women with Australian accents, how can you go wrong.

You can have them thanks. They may be hot, but most of the girls/women in this country are total bitches. I don't care what the other Aussies have to say about that..but thats what I've learnt from experience.
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:29 am



Quoting AF340 (Thread starter):
Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

See, something we Eskimos have known for a long time - that's why we all carry guns up here  duck  Never know when them uppity Yukoners are gonna get their panties in a twist and come cross that border in hordes!!!  silly 
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:37 am



Quoting Arrow (Reply 15):
I hadn't heard that -- but half the lift operators, ski/board instructors, bartenders, waiters, etc., etc, are from Australia. The Aussie government's warning about bad winters is falling on deaf ears (and the weather forecast is calling for snow over the next three days).

i think it is kiwis as well. a good chunk of the workers in the Banff resorts are all aussies and kiwis as well. they come here to work, since canada has some agreement with them for work visas. It is really kind of weird if you don't expect it. The first time i went to banff to ski, i was kind of taken aback with the fact most people working there had an accent from down under! It really is kinda weird!
 
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:55 am



Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 8):
These are not the aussie people, this is the official government.

That's what I meant by aussies. I should have been clearer  Smile

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
Never know when them uppity Yukoners are gonna get their panties in a twist and come cross that border in hordes!!!

They are a shifty peoples  Wink




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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:10 am

I think it is a good thing that would-be Australian visitors are warned about us and our country.

But the advisory doesn't go far enough.

It says absolutely nothing about the danger of collision with wild animals on our roads at night. Other countries have listed this danger, why didn't Australia???? You're driving along at night and you clip a skunk - it would spoil anybody's holiday!
 
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:55 am



Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 17):
They may be hot, but most of the girls/women in this country are total bitches.

100% agree.

Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 16):
No warning on an official government site can ever change the "no worries" mentality of the Aussie people.

Exactly. Australians still travel in their droves to Indonesia and Thailand and both those countries have higher warnings. The warning for Canada is merely to point out conditions not normally faced in Australia. The Canadian media have blown this out of proportion.
 
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:26 am



Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 2):
I still do, hot women with Australian accents, how can you go wrong.

How can you go wrong? The Australian accent Big grin No offense to aussies here, but the way aussie chicks speak drives me mad. They end every sentence like it was a question. Strike up a convo with an Aussie chick at a ski hill here and you'll know what I mean.

"I'm Sarah from Melbourne?"

"The skiing was great today? The weather was just perfect?"

"I'm headed to Vancouver tomorrow?"


ARRGH!!!
 
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:41 am



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
Never know when them uppity Yukoners are gonna get their panties in a twist and come cross that border in hordes!!!

Hordes of Yukoners! Do they have hordes, 32,000 of them spread out over half a million sq Km, Hell it is one of the few places that makes Australia look crowded(or Alaska overpopulated)  Wink

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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Sat Jan 26, 2008 3:56 am



Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 23):
How can you go wrong? The Australian accent Big grin No offense to aussies here, but the way aussie chicks speak drives me mad. They end every sentence like it was a question. Strike up a convo with an Aussie chick at a ski hill here and you'll know what I mean.

"I'm Sarah from Melbourne?"

"The skiing was great today? The weather was just perfect?"

"I'm headed to Vancouver tomorrow?"


ARRGH!!!

that damn qantas aussie airpass commercial kills me : "we saved you a spot on the beach" "we turned on the lights" "where the bloody hell are you" oh man. it kills me.
 
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:11 am



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
that's why we all carry guns up here

You carry guns for the polar bear chasing, everything else is an extra.  Wink
 
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:57 pm



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 5):
Go to the website www.smarttraveller.gov.au and you will see that a lot of countries have this 'exercise caution' status. If you look at the warning for Canada you will see that it relates to natural disasters because most Australians have no idea what it's like to drive in snow etc. Australia's cities don't get snow with the exception of Canberra on rare occasions. The stuff about terrorism and crime is just common sense stuff.

Just be thankful that some may take a hint. You should see Aus drivers on perfectly dry roads, let alone snowy ones.

And if BC is short of earthquakes I am puzzled to know why.

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 23):
They end every sentence like it was a question.

If you watched enough Aus TV comedy, you would find whole series that depend on that quirk of a proportion of Australians for the humour.

There are rumours that this habit was started by none other than Margaret Thatcher in her attempts to put Robin Day off his stride in that famous interview in about 1983, where Day was castigated for being rude and interrupting her. Analysis later showed that La Thatch had about three different end of sentence signals that she gave him each time. Interviewers cannot afford to appear not to have another question, so sensing the end of her diatribe, he started a new question only to be overridden by Maggie rising to a new crescendo. Exit confused Sir Robin.

Now having to deal with Maggie T (or Robin Day) that would be a hazard!
 
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:18 pm



Quoting AF340 (Thread starter):
Complete Jack-assery


It's a shame. I used to respect Australia...



Quoting AF340 (Reply 3):
See that's the thing, I never had heard of the aussie's as being like that. It's a shame.

Liam relax!! You're going to give yourself a coronary stressing over stuff like this.
It's no big deal ... Aussie's aren't stupid, nor are they afraid of Canada.

If you read the Canadian government's cautions for travelling in Australia (WrenchBender, reply 12) and take it as seriously as you're taking the Australian caution for Canada --- well you may never visit Australia. (Apparently their airports are LOADED with pickpockets looking for Canadians like me! It seems EVERYONE is afraid to go an Aussie airport!)

 Wink
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Sat Jan 26, 2008 4:02 pm



Quoting AF340 (Thread starter):
Complete Jack-assery


It's a shame. I used to respect Australia...

Bahhh...where's the "Not this shit again" picture?

I challenge some of you to sift through the 300+ responses on the Globe And Mail comments section regarding this article.

So many knee-jerk reactions. People were acting like Australia was attacking Canada. It's not an attack. Every country puts out advisories like this. It's not saying that this is what's going to happen to you if you travel there. As someone said it's just the CYA Method. They just want Australians to know that there might be a 0.0004% chance that you'll be involved in a terrorist attack in Canada (minute, but still there). Or, that if you lost half your brain in a lobotomy and don't take proper precautions, there's a chance you'll get pickpocketed, especially in touristic areas.

People seriously need to chill.

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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Sat Jan 26, 2008 4:37 pm



Quoting LH423 (Reply 29):
Every country puts out advisories like this.

Of course they do. It's a complete non-issue. The British FCO usually preface advisories like this with a statement like "Most visits to xxx are trouble free..." then mentioning exactly the same kind of stuff that the Australians have here.

http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?...a=KCountryAdvice&aid=1013618387099

There is an underlying threat from terrorism. Attacks could be indiscriminate, including in places frequented by expatriates and foreign travellers. The Canadian authorities have carried out a number of arrests as a result of investigations into terrorist networks. See the Terrorism section of this advice for more details.

Big deal.
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Sat Jan 26, 2008 5:09 pm



Quoting Banco (Reply 30):
Of course they do. It's a complete non-issue. The British FCO usually preface advisories like this with a statement like "Most visits to xxx are trouble free..." then mentioning exactly the same kind of stuff that the Australians have here.

I find the Aus one on Indonesia extremely "interesting". There was a great fuss because prior to the Bali I bombing DFAT excluded Bali whereas there was a school of thought that considered it was at risk. DFAT still maintain this was a reasonable error!!

So now they go on and on and about how current warnings and information are. In practice most of these have obviously gone cold, although the public never knows what new MIGHT have appeared. So attacks in Jakarta have been on the menu for some years after the last one that got into the papers.
http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Advice/Indonesia

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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Sat Jan 26, 2008 5:25 pm

It is a non issue. Here's the source of the advisory and I saw the same language for every country in Europe I looked at.

Nobody's picking on Canada so lose the chip on your shoulder.

http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Advice/#mainbody
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:56 pm

Canada a bigger terrorist threat than Australia?  rotfl   rotfl 

Canada did not participate in the Iraq invasion which Australia did. We didn't have a leader like John Howard who praises George W Bush and fully backs his decisions.

Not many Canadians go to Bali either. (2002 terrorist attacks)
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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:55 pm



Quoting Canuckpaxguy (Reply 28):
You're going to give yourself a coronary stressing over stuff like this.

Well if I mysteriously disappear, you know it's those shifty Aussies that got me.

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RE: Australia Claims Canada As Dangerous

Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:15 am



Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 33):
Canada did not participate in the Iraq invasion which Australia did. We didn't have a leader like John Howard who praises George W Bush and fully backs his decisions.

New for you Bmac, neither do we nowadays: praise be to Kevin from Heavin - and that is where Kevin sends most of his praise, not to GWB at all at all.

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 33):
Not many Canadians go to Bali either. (2002 terrorist attacks)

Interestingly, at first Amrosi (a Bali bomber) was quite sure he was attacking Americans. If he could mistake Australians for Americans, JI should have no trouble whatsoever in mistaking Canadians for their favourites. So wherever you do go, watch out for JI!!!

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