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The Next President Of The US?

Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:23 am

Who should become the next President of the United States? I will only list the top 3 Democrats and Republicans.

Clinton?

Romny?

Obama?

McCain?

Edwards?

Huckabee?
 
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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:23 am

I vote for Romny.  goldmedal 
 
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Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:40 pm

None of the above.

There's not a competent candidate amongst them.
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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:30 pm



Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 2):
None of the above.

There's not a competent candidate amongst them.

I second that.



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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:43 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
I vote for Romny. goldmedal

If your going to vote for him at least learn how to spell his name correctly. its Romney. I actually think with the large LDS base, and business leaders in Arizona, Romney will upset McCain in the Grand Canyon State.
 
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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:52 pm

I vote with Hillary. She will end the war so we can be at peace with the Iraqi people and finally sing Kumbaya together.
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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:04 pm

I really hope for Obama
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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:17 pm

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 2):
None of the above.

There's not a competent candidate amongst them.

Well how about Rudy Guiliani?

Former State Secretary Colin Powell would've made a great president but he never showed interest...

Gore would be a nice choice but he seems too paranoid on global warming.

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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:42 pm

Since I don't like any of them, I'm just going to write me in. That'll be my vote!
 
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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:45 pm



Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 7):
AMEND THE CONSTITUTION - ELECT ARNOLD SCWARZENEGGER!!!!

Never in hell!

As for next president, I'll think more about it and may have an answer by the time the Republican and Democratic conventions are over.

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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:45 pm

1st Choice Obama

2nd Choice Hilary
 
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Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:46 pm



Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 2):
None of the above.

There's not a competent candidate amongst them.

Well, in comparison with the present incumbent, most of them would be an improvement. Big grin
 
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Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:49 pm



Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 2):

 checkmark 

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 11):
Well, in comparison with the present incumbent, most of them would be an improvement. Big grin

Yeah, but that's not saying much is it?  Wink
 
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Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:54 pm

I'm for Hillary and I'll tell you why....

While she has to be very masculine in her duties because she is going against all men, it would be very interesting from a sociological point of view to see how a woman would approach the White House, wars, the economy, etc. I want to see us with a woman president, and I think if my generation gets out and votes, we might actually see that. The problem is, we (20-30) are the lowest percentage of voters which is why we keep getting conservative right-wing presidents in most cases. Or at least in the last two elections. There is no doubt in my mind that Bush should not have been elected for the 2nd term. Things have gone down the toilet in this country and it's time for a fresh face in the White House and a new image for our country and I think a liberal woman president is just the trick. Not to stereotype, but women approach problems in life in a different manner than men, and I think Hillary could do us some good.

I used to care a lot about politics until Bush was elected for a second term. I just got so fed up with everything being wrong with the administration that I just didn't care anymore. We are in a war with no end in sight, yet the president claims victory, illegal immigration is out of control, gays and lesbians are not given the same rights as heterosexuals, and I could go on and on. I saw some excerpts of a republican debate when the issue of homosexuality was raised and I can't believe the answers from the republican contingency. They were so antiquated and morally wrong.

Hillary 2008!

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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:55 pm

I'm waiting to see who wins the party nominations and it becomes a 2 man race.
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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:11 pm



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 13):

While she has to be very masculine in her duties because she is going against all men

She already blew that with her crying routine
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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:16 pm

If it's Obama against McCain, it'll be Obama.

If it's Hillary against McCain, it'll be McCain.

I'm good with either Obama or McCain . . . at this point.

The rest, especially Hillary, are losers.
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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:38 pm

Clinton? She's a snake. As corrupt as they come. I wouldn't trust her to clean the bathroom.

Romny? Blah. Flipflops on his issues, and won't admit it. I don't mind people changing their minds, but say so.

Obama? Inexperienced. A posterchild for affirmative action.

McCain? Too old, and no convictions.

Edwards? A fu&%ing lawyer. No way.

Huckabee? A baptist loon who doesn't believe in evolution. Wonderful...

Here's a good summary page.

http://www.slobokan.com/pres2008.pdf

I guess the least harmless of the lot would be Romney.

I wish Guliani had made a better showing - at least he has proven leadership abilities and a track record of tackling impossible odds. But it looks like his campaign is sinking fast.
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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:05 am



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 17):
Obama? Inexperienced. A posterchild for affirmative action.

 rotfl  Wha...wha....what? Please elaborate, this ought to be good.

My vote is for Senator Obama. A man with conviction that will motivate this country to her full potential greatness.

On the GOP side, the front runner for me no question in Sen. McCain.

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Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:07 am

17 posts and not one for Ron Paul. Where have all the libertarians gone?  scratchchin 

I have to third or fourth or whatever say that there is truly not anyone running who does anything for me. I can think of more reasons why none of them should be elected President than I can they should.

We will be coming up on some big crossroads in a few years and I just don't see the person in that line up that inspires me to vote for them because they are up to the challenges. I'm becoming more sad every day. I'm fortunate enough to be in a position where I can get by on next to nothing for income for quite some time and I have a feeling it may come to that.
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Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:14 am



Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 18):
My vote is for Senator Obama. A man with conviction that will motivate this country to her full potential greatness.

On the GOP side, the front runner for me no question in Sen. McCain.

With that combination I would pick an Obama landslide in November. Senator McCain has repeatedly even this last week that he real doesn't understand the world of economics, and somehow I have to believe November will be about the economy and not terrorism, and McCain has numerous skeletons in his past and his stance on immigration (which I thought was correct) will be hard for him to overcome.
 
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Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:22 am



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
If it's Obama against McCain, it'll be Obama.

If it's Hillary against McCain, it'll be McCain.

I'm good with either Obama or McCain . . . at this point.

The rest, especially Hillary, are losers.

And you have stood for election (and won, possibly) how many times ?
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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:27 am

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 21):
As a former serviceman I would have thought you'd know that already.

 

 

As a former servicemember, I more than EARNED my right to say that . . . now. . .

Why don't you answer the man's question and quit blubbering . . .

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
The Next President Of The US?



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
Who should become the next President of the United States? I will only list the top 3 Democrats and Republicans.


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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:29 am



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 13):
While she has to be very masculine in her duties because she is going against all men, it would be very interesting from a sociological point of view to see how a woman would approach the White House, wars, the economy, etc.

 checkmark 
If she becomes the president in November, she will enter a world that has been 100% man dominated for more than two centuries and I think it will be very interesting to see what will happen then. I believe that she are able to do the job. Just as UAL747 says it's very interesting to see, from a sociological point of view, how she will be treated and how she will act as the first woman president of the United States.
 
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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:33 am

Nobody and I mean NOBODY would send the right wing into a tizzy more than President Hillary. For that reason alone she has my vote in Nov. If she were proclaimed High Queen of the Universe I would laugh my nutz off just to see social conservatives have coronaries right and left.

I'll be an election judge for the first time this year, so I had to vote absentee and when the time came I honestly couldn't decide so I flipped a coin: Obama vs Edwards and Obama won. Obama vs HRH HRC and Hillary won. So I voted Clinton in the Missouri primary. First time I had to resort to such tactics but having weighed all the pros and cons of those 3, I didn't really care passionately one way or the other.

Whomever gets the Dem nomination has my vote in November, but I could certainly live with John McCain, a man who not only served his country, but suffered for it as well. He's basically a RINO anyway.
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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:38 am



Quoting AirCop (Reply 20):

Excellent points. It will be interesting to see who Sen. McCain chooses as a running mate. If his choice is someone like Sen. Leiberman I think it could sway some independent voters. I think Sen. McCain has to show that he will change the status quo to win not only the nomination, but the Presidency as well. Like you said, his lack of understanding in regards to economics, especially at this point in time, will hurt him.

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Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:54 am



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 17):
I wish Guliani had made a better showing - at least he has proven leadership abilities and a track record of tackling impossible odds. But it looks like his campaign is sinking fast.

You must be joking! Giuliani was in serious trouble as Mayor of NYC before 9/11. Yes, he cleaned up midtown Manhattan, the part that suburban commuters and tourists see, but did little if anything at all for the other boroughs. Under his watch the city was reeling with several highly publicized incidents of police brutality and wrongful death charges. His public love life was tabloid fodder, and he was well on his way to becoming NY's least popular mayor.

Then came 9/11, and all of a sudden, someone who really didn't do much other than grab the limelight, became a superstar, along with his police buddy now under criminal indictment.

His run for the Presidency has been a shameful exercise in capitalizing on the tragedy of 9/11. Giuliani is arrogant, secretive and generally not very trustworthy. His presidential campaign has degenerated into a bizarre 9/11 Tourette's Syndrome. He pandered to every liberal social group in NY to garner his win as mayor (generally required if you are a Republican in the City of NY), and now he wonders why his stand on gays, guns and divorce isn't getting him much traction around the the bible belt.
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Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:57 am



Quoting Matt727 (Reply 23):
she will enter a world that has been 100% man dominated for more than two centuries

Domestically, that's true. Internationally, that's not true. And I think Bush's successor will have a massive amount of work to do on the foreign relations front.
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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:02 am



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 22):
Why don't you answer the man's question and quit blubbering . . .

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
The Next President Of The US?

Hilllary is still my pick, although it's closer now.

Blubbering ? The only thing that would make me blubber is the election of another Reaganite.
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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:04 am



Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 21):
No one who offers their service to their country is a loser.

That's thinking like a Cold War dinosaur. My dad was that way until a few years ago. That's when he crunched the numbers and realized that it's pretty hard for everyone to have been in the military. Especially since we haven't been at war constantly.
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Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:04 am

I'm pulling for Obama to win. Although I can't vote.
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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:05 am



Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 18):
Wha...wha....what? Please elaborate, this ought to be good.

No experience, he gives nice speeches without saying anything substantive, he's the candidate for the white guys who wants to feel good about himself, telling his friends, "look, I'm not racist".

His Iraq policy makes no sense. His aides say that he wants to negotiate with Bin Ladin, Hamas and co. He opposes Fairtax and would increase taxes on retired people and Americans overseas who already pay local taxes, refuses to renew the Wiretap authority, opposes increased energy independence, wants the government to pay for all drugs and healthcare, opposes school vouchers, AND is another fu&%ing lawyer.

Obama is a disaster waiting to (hopefully NOT) happen.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 19):
17 posts and not one for Ron Paul. Where have all the libertarians gone?

I think they're all embarassed at having such a crackpot supposedly representing them.

Put it this way. If you take his platform as the standard for Libertarianism, The symbol for the party would be the ostrich with its head in the sand.
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Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:06 am



Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 27):
Domestically, that's true. Internationally, that's not true.

I meant domestically. Iceland had the first woman president in the world back in 1980.

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 27):
And I think Bush's successor will have a massive amount of work to do on the foreign relations front.

If the next president will be a democrat, I think it will be easier for him/her than it would be for a republican president since he belongs to the same political party as president Bush.
 
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Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:08 am



Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 7):

Well how about Rudy Guiliani

The media seems to suggest he's dead.I disagree.California will define his course of action.Ron Paul seems to be done.That's unfortunate.I don't agree with his Iraq stance,but he's the only one the has the guts to tell the voters straight on his position of illegal immigration.

Obama VS. McCain.Winner will be McCain,IMO, as it stands now.
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Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:09 am

John McCain will get my vote - time to put a conservative in the White House - be the first one since Ford
 
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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:11 am



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 31):
No experience,

Define experience..being a wife of a president is not experience, being a US Senator is not executive experience.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 31):
he's the candidate for the white guys who wants to feel good about himself, telling his friends, "look, I'm not racist".

Oh please, I can't believe you would really make that remark. So does this mean you are a racist?

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 31):
His aides say that he wants to negotiate with Bin Ladin, Hamas and co. He opposes Fairtax and would increase taxes on retired people and Americans overseas who already pay local taxes, refuses to renew the Wiretap authority, opposes increased energy independence, wants the government to pay for all drugs and healthcare, opposes school vouchers, AND is another fu&%ing lawyer.

Listening to right wing radio again.."His aides say" right, where the beef in that comment. Documentation please..
 
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Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:13 am



Quoting PSA53 (Reply 33):
Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 7):

Well how about Rudy Guiliani

The media seems to suggest he's dead.I disagree.California will define his course of action.Ron Paul seems to be done.That's unfortunate.I don't agree with his Iraq stance,but he's the only one the has the guts to tell the voters straight on his position of illegal immigration.



Looks like Mayor Giuliani is duking it out with Huckabee for 4th place in Florida, which probably means he's done. Apparently has spent something like $40M in the state -- explaining I guess why many of his staff are no longer being paid. McCain & Romney are neck & neck.

Clinton wins big-time and I expect there will be a serious effort to seat the Dem delegates from both Michigan & Florida, but particularly the latter. Any traction they can get with Latino voters is all to the good for the Democrats.
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Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:13 am

I'd vote for Obama or McCain. I think Hillary would make a good president, but since she'd bring about four more years of division in the country I can't in good faith cast a vote for her. We've already had enough division the past eight years.

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 7):
Well how about Rudy Guiliani?

He's not competent either.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 19):
17 posts and not one for Ron Paul. Where have all the libertarians gone?



Probably out drinking or whatever lazy idealistic college students do.

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Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:19 am



Quoting Matt727 (Reply 32):
If the next president will be a democrat, I think it will be easier for him/her than it would be for a republican president since he belongs to the same political party as president Bush.

That's what I've been trying to tell some of the conservatives / Republicans on here, but they don't seem to understand that "guilt by party affiliation" is a significant factor to contend with.
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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:23 am



Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 11):
Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 2):
None of the above.

There's not a competent candidate amongst them.

Well, in comparison with the present incumbent, most of them would be an improvement.

Not really. We haven't had a true leader run for president in a long, long time. They current crop are just imitations of their predecessors - massive egos looking for power, validation, and a huge payday once they leave office.

But let's be realistic. Anybody with a lick of sense is too smart to run for the position in the first place.

I haven't made a decision yet who I will vote for, but I will stick with my prediction that it will be Hillary.

Unless, of course, her idiot husband ruins it for her.

Quote:
The ferocity of anti-Clinton sentiments heard around Washington in recent days — as even some former Clinton White House aides say they are enjoying the Kennedy endorsement and the implicit rebuke of the Clintons — has reached levels that haven’t been seen for seven years. Clinton’s pardons in the closing hours of his presidency prompted a similar backlash.

One of the party’s most experienced fundraisers, a former Clinton administration appointee who is close to the Democratic leadership in Congress and both leading presidential campaigns, said that several top Democratic contributors have told him they are furious with what they perceive as Bill Clinton’s campaign of complaints, mini-tirades and smart-alecky talking points.

It was enough to send this Democrat’s wife off the fence and to Obama over the weekend.

The toxic relationship between the Clintons and Washington was always one of the main paradoxes of the Clinton administration — and one of its main mysteries.

Here was a couple who devoted their lives to making establishment connections and scaling establishment institutions (the Clintons first met Greg Craig at Yale law school). Clinton’s policies embraced elite assumptions favored by Wall Street and Washington think tanks — against budget deficits, for instance, and for free trade.

But there was never love at the personal level.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/8164.html

Every democrat I know in my age group is pulling for Obama. If Hillary is the nominee, two of them have already said they'll vote for McCain if he's the GOP nominee.

She isn't even President yet, and we already have Clinton fatigue.
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Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:48 am

I'm pulling for Obama. He is the only candidate that had demonstrated the ability to invoke a new sense of hope in a vast amount of Americans. Look at the crowds he pulls. What this country needs right now is someone who can cross partisan divides and truly bring the country together, and Obama is capable of it. Experience isn't an issue right now, the last three administrations had supposed experience and it's obviously gotten us very far. He has the intelligence to put the right people around him to get things done.

HIllary just scares me...I mean, look at her when she talks. She has a very demonic smile, just looks purely evil (and this is coming from a liberal)

McCain is acceptable, but I feel that he's still more interested in the war than the economy.

The others are all jokes. Huckabee would start every address with a prayer, Romney flip-flops more then Kerry, and Edwards just seems weak.

In a week we should know who the candidates will be...I'm expecting Obama/McCain.
 
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Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:07 am



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 31):
he's the candidate for the white guys who wants to feel good about himself, telling his friends, "look, I'm not racist".

 rotfl  Right. You can't be serious. I don't know where to begin to dissect that statement. Perhaps someone could help me out here because I'm at a loss for words.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 31):
His Iraq policy makes no sense. His aides say that he wants to negotiate with Bin Ladin, Hamas and co. He opposes Fairtax and would increase taxes on retired people and Americans overseas who already pay local taxes, refuses to renew the Wiretap authority, opposes increased energy independence, wants the government to pay for all drugs and healthcare, opposes school vouchers, AND is another fu&%ing lawyer.

His Iraq policy makes perfect sense, what's so hard to understand? Or am I just another white guy tyring to impress my black friends? Do you have sources that say he wants to negotiate with Bin Laden? Do you understand why he opposes what he does? And why he approves what he does?

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Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:15 am



Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 25):
If his choice is someone like Sen. Leiberman

Apparently he told the wire services and a couple magazines that he will not be a running mate. He said that since he has done it before, he doesn't want to do it again.
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Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:25 am



Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 38):
That's what I've been trying to tell some of the conservatives / Republicans on here, but they don't seem to understand that "guilt by party affiliation" is a significant factor to contend with.

That worked back in the 70's but unfortunately with the polarization of both parties by their extreme members, it doesn't have quite the effect it did back then. If it did then 2004 would have turned out much more differently. All of the GOP candidates in the race can claim differing degrees of separation from the current President. President Ford could not.
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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:32 am



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
If it's Obama against McCain, it'll be Obama.

If it's Hillary against McCain, it'll be McCain.

I'm good with either Obama or McCain . . . at this point.

The rest, especially Hillary, are losers.

I think you pretty much summed up my views there. I'm a sworn leftie (at least on the American spectrum), and my first choice would Obama. Hillary wouldn't be SO bad, but I think Obama is a much better choice. Hillary is a politician through and through.

On the other side, I agree about McCain. I'm not fan of the republicans, but he and Obama seem to be the most decent of the candidates. If it had to be a republican I think McCain would do a fine job.

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 40):
I'm pulling for Obama. He is the only candidate that had demonstrated the ability to invoke a new sense of hope in a vast amount of Americans. Look at the crowds he pulls. What this country needs right now is someone who can cross partisan divides and truly bring the country together, and Obama is capable of it. Experience isn't an issue right now, the last three administrations had supposed experience and it's obviously gotten us very far. He has the intelligence to put the right people around him to get things done.

This is absolutely right. The US used to be a great, innovative nation which was looked upon for leadership and progress from throughout the world. They are still a great country, but seem to be in something of a "rut". Americans need another president like JFK who can unite the nation and move forward.
 
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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:35 am



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
The rest, especially Hillary, are losers.

Curious how you feel about Romney - pulled your posts about him and found one that mentioned his changing of positions and finished with "have at him" - but I couldn't pull up the thread (because the search function in that manner, when it has the "Go To Thread", never works for me).

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 17):
Romny? Blah. Flipflops on his issues, and won't admit it. I don't mind people changing their minds, but say so.

Agreed. If he could explain some of his changes in more detail, he might have greater support. People aren't stupid and want to know why he has changed.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 19):
17 posts and not one for Ron Paul. Where have all the libertarians gone?

Probably waiting with their bic pens to write him in on the ballot.

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 34):
John McCain will get my vote - time to put a conservative in the White House - be the first one since Ford

Huh, what? 1st conservative? What was Reagan in your eyes?
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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:03 am



Quoting PA110 (Reply 26):
You must be joking! Giuliani was in serious trouble as Mayor of NYC before 9/11. Yes, he cleaned up midtown Manhattan, the part that suburban commuters and tourists see, but did little if anything at all for the other boroughs. Under his watch the city was reeling with several highly publicized incidents of police brutality and wrongful death charges. His public love life was tabloid fodder, and he was well on his way to becoming NY's least popular mayor.

Then came 9/11, and all of a sudden, someone who really didn't do much other than grab the limelight, became a superstar, along with his police buddy now under criminal indictment.

His run for the Presidency has been a shameful exercise in capitalizing on the tragedy of 9/11. Giuliani is arrogant, secretive and generally not very trustworthy. His presidential campaign has degenerated into a bizarre 9/11 Tourette's Syndrome. He pandered to every liberal social group in NY to garner his win as mayor (generally required if you are a Republican in the City of NY), and now he wonders why his stand on gays, guns and divorce isn't getting him much traction around the the bible belt.

Well, without getting into his many accomplishments, the murder rate went way way down for one thing. And thats for all the boroughs and the people living in them (not just something for tourists to see).

As Mayor, he was certainly authoritarian in tone, but he was up against quite unreasonable forces from day one. And lets not forget the previous administration was downright incompetent allowing people to "blow off steam" in one riot after another. The Sharpton riots, the Hasidic riot, a Gay Riot and actually culminating in a Police riot (in which Rudy was naively involved it is true). Under this absence of leadership, NY was indeed "reeling".

There were in fact "celebrated" cases of police brutality, and the Clinton's managed to get the Feds to investigate racial "profiling" etc, Amnesty International had something to say etc. but how did New York City compare to other major US cities in terms of per capita police shooting citizens to death etc.( those other cities having largely Democrat and/or minority mayors)? If we're not going to get into that, this is just politics...
 
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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:12 am



Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 40):
HIllary just scares me...I mean, look at her when she talks. She has a very demonic smile, just looks purely evil (and this is coming from a liberal)

Glad to hear that! At least there's one liberal with some sense! Her voice is like "fingernails on a blackboard" or a hard drive with a head crash squeal...5 seconds is enough to drive ya nuts! I'd tell her just to STFU!
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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:49 am



Quoting PA110 (Reply 26):
Giuliani was in serious trouble as Mayor of NYC before 9/11. Yes, he cleaned up midtown Manhattan, the part that suburban commuters and tourists see, but did little if anything at all for the other boroughs.

Already 1000% better performance than any of his predecessors. I remember when Koch and Dinkins were mayor - everyone took it as given that NYC was simply too far gone, and could never be cleaned up.

Quoting PA110 (Reply 26):
Under his watch the city was reeling with several highly publicized incidents of police brutality and wrongful death charges.

If you are gonna clean up a town like NYC, a few heads are going to get cracked, and sadly, like anywhere, innocent people sometimes find themselves at the wrong place at the wrong time. Guliani did not invent the situation.

Quoting PA110 (Reply 26):
His public love life was tabloid fodder, and he was well on his way to becoming NY's least popular mayor.



Mostly because of the tabloids. I'm sure the NY press were hardly in his camp. were they. When Guliani was reelected in 97, he was at the peak of his popularity.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 35):
Define experience..being a wife of a president is not experience, being a US Senator is not executive experience

Correct to both.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 35):
Oh please, I can't believe you would really make that remark. So does this mean you are a racist?

No. But I don't find it surprising that if someone makes un uncomfortable (maybe true) observation, your first reaction is "We have to shut him up! Let's call him a racist - that usually works."

Race has nothing to do with it in my mind. There are several black people I think could be president and I would vote for. But Obama is not one of them.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 35):
Listening to right wing radio again.."His aides say" right, where the beef in that comment. Documentation please..

Robert Malley is one of Obama's chief foreign policy advisors, and is a wellknown columnist for the NYT, among others. Look him up.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 38):
That's what I've been trying to tell some of the conservatives / Republicans on here, but they don't seem to understand that "guilt by party affiliation" is a significant factor to contend with.

It is, but what makes you think the Dems are saints? If anything the Dems seem to tolerate more criminal behavior. Why is William Jefferson still allowed to hold his seat, for example?

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 41):
Do you understand why he opposes what he does? And why he approves what he does?

Part of it is because he believes in socialism. The rest? I dunno. Insanity? Stupidity? Complete lack of moral fiber? (he is a lawyer, after all).
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RE: The Next President Of The US?

Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:25 am



Quoting Matt727 (Reply 23):
If she becomes the president in November, she will enter a world that has been 100% man dominated for more than two centuries and I think it will be very interesting to see what will happen then. I believe that she are able to do the job. Just as UAL747 says it's very interesting to see, from a sociological point of view, how she will be treated and how she will act as the first woman president of the United States.

I think picking a candidate purely on gender is the worst way to make a selection.

What does she stand for? The "nanny state". higher taxes. less defense. surrender. more girls for Bill.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 17):
Clinton? She's a snake. As corrupt as they come. I wouldn't trust her to clean the bathroom.

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Quoting RJdxer (Reply 19):
17 posts and not one for Ron Paul. Where have all the libertarians gone?

He isn't in the top 3.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 24):
Nobody and I mean NOBODY would send the right wing into a tizzy more than President Hillary.


I cannot think of anyone who can get the vote out for the Republicans more than she can.

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