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6 Nations Thread

Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:32 pm

The biggest sporting event (for me at least) of this time of year is about to start this weekend. Lets talk about it!

Who are you supporting? What games are you going to? which pubs will you be watching from?

Post anything you like about this great game and the great competition that is upon us!




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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:45 pm

C'mon the Scotland!  bigthumbsup 


And if we don't win it, good luck to France  Wink
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:42 pm

Dammit, I must be getting old!  grumpy 

Usually around this time of the year it's always me that starts the rugby threads, usually with a dig at all the teams involved.

So, with a nod to the thread starter who has highlighted my inexcusable tardiness, here goes:

Will Scotland manage to get 15 genuinely Scottish people out on the pitch - not including Princess Anne in a shawl?

Will Wales once more decide that getting absolutely walloped by everyone constitutes a reasonable season because at the 32 minute mark they led England? Will they win one game and call Warren Gatland "the Great Redeemer"?

Will France remember that the reason we all watch them is because they are utterly indisciplined, completely uncontrollable, gloriously unpredictable and quite liable to score an 80 metre try through the whole threequarter line, the winger pausing for a Gauloise and Pastis en route? Or will they decide that they still want to be like England?

Will Italy take the Irish by two falls and a submission this year? Will the population continue to peep out of their Rome windows utterly aghast at the monstrous invasion by hordes of peaceful Celts and Anglo-Saxons determined to climb to the top of the Pantheon and wave at mum?

Will Ireland rename their home ground as Choke Park following their pitiful World Cup display? Will they continue to go on about the luck of the Irish in complete contradiction of the facts? Will Brian O'Driscoll do absolutely sod all until beating 17 English tacklers (twice) and standing on his head on top of the goalposts before touching down?

Will England be patented by Night Nurse as THE best remedy for a good night's sleep? Will Lesley Vainakolo manage to learn the words to God Save the Queen before tomorrow? Will the press completely ignore the tight five duffing up the oppo and say it was all down to Jonny Wilkinson?

Will Australia and New Zealand sneer at the competition and say it is of low quality, unlike all matches played by those two World Cup quarter-finalists?

Will Brian Moore and Eddie Butler manage to get through a game without having an argument? Will John Inverdale actually do the deed and present coverage sipping a glass of Cognac wearing a smoking jacket?

Answers on postcards...  Wink
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:03 pm



Quoting Flipdewaf (Thread starter):
Who are you supporting? What games are you going to? which pubs will you be watching from?

I shall be heading down to Edinburgh first thing tomorrow morning. Tomorrow i shall be watching an Air France 777-300ER arrive @ EDI, before hitting the town in edinburgh. Sunday I shall be hitting another pub to watch the game, probably one within spitting distance of Murrayfield.

C'mon Scotland!!!!!!!
 
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:16 pm

No real sign of improvement post-World Cup from Ireland. That was a pretty nervy 16-11 win over Italy, short on quality and creativity and they were hanging on a bit towards the end.

Let's see if England and Wales can do any better.
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:31 pm

The Welsh will be partying after their first win at Twickenham in 20 years, but what on earth were England up to? Totally, completely, utterly dominant in the first half, they should have been 20 points clear, and just completely fell apart in the 2nd half against a Welsh side that wasn't even playing especially well!

Quite unbelievable.
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:48 pm

in pub, but woohoo!!!
 
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:30 pm



Quoting Banco (Reply 5):
Quite unbelievable.

Not really. Once again, the English thought they were above everyone else, and once again, they were knocked down.

You'd think you would have learned by now  Yeah sure

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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:29 pm

What a terrible game. Once again, England had a comfortable lead in the first half and just ended up sitting back and letting the other team take it away from them in the second.

Wales' performance was quite shocking really considering that a majority of the team regularly play together every week. England's first half performance was good considering the opposite happens with their players, alot of whom are resonably new to the International circuit.

Wales didn't win that game, England lost it.

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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:06 am



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 7):
Not really. Once again, the English thought they were above everyone else

Eh? There's not the slightest possible reason for saying that other than you wish it was true.
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:00 am



Quoting Banco (Reply 9):
Eh? There's not the slightest possible reason for saying that other than you wish it was true.

You should listen to your own commentators once in a while  Yeah sure

Anyway, moving on. France are perhaps the favourites for the title, but hopefully Scotland can overcome them at Murrayfield today  Smile
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:35 am

Well I was at Twickers yesterday and it was completely baffling how England lost that. Senior players like Gomersall and Wilkinson who should know how to control a game had a nightmare, Gomersall shouldn't even be in the England side he can't even get in the Quins side for christ sake. It's the same old story of picking players on reputation instead of form.

As a Wasps fan I could see this coming it was absolutely criminal letting Edwards go to Wales and that slimy wanker Andrews also had the chance to bring in Gatland but no he's turned into a typical RFU suit and they wouldn't a stomach and Kiwi and a tough talking former rugby league player in charge. The arrogant and up himself Rob Andrew should just f^%$ off back to Newcastle
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:45 am



Quoting Banco (Reply 5):
The Welsh will be partying after their first win at Twickenham in 20 years,

Was a great win for Wales yesterday . Hopefully Scotland can do it today .
 
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:53 am



Quoting Banco (Reply 5):
but what on earth were England up to?

Well, you think that was bad, you should have seen the look on my face when you guys lost to the Cook Islands at the Wellington Sevens in the weekend...  Wink

Quoting Banco (Reply 5):
Totally, completely, utterly dominant in the first half, they should have been 20 points clear, and just completely fell apart in the 2nd half

Ahhh, reminisent of NZs defeat in RWC 1999 to France.

Go Italy... (seriously)
 
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:03 pm

How did Lesley Vianikolo go by the way, was he the new "Jonah Lomu" like many of the English media was expecting? Seemingly alot of hype about him being better than Jonah on the news... (over here anyway, prob because he is ex-NZ)


IMHO, NO player will ever come close to our Jonah in terms of sheer enjoyment to watch, pulling power, and the 'wow' factor. A phenomenal player. Sure guys can barge over and fend now a days as well, but try doing that for a decade, consistently pulverizing teams game in game out, and with a kidney disease as well..
 
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:22 pm



Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 14):
How did Lesley Vianikolo go by the way,

He did OK. He came on very early after the injury (again, dammit) to Strettle. Set up the England try for Flood with a bit of pretty tasty play - great catch from a cross-field kick and fine pass off the floor. 2nd half England were so clueless he never got the ball anyway.

I actually feel deeply uncomfortable with him being in the England team in the first place, but it is within the rules I guess.

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 10):
You should listen to your own commentators once in a while

What ARE you on about? England "above themselves"?

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 11):
Senior players like Gomersall and Wilkinson who should know how to control a game had a nightmare,

Yes, absolutely. England did lose most of the back row through injury, and that did badly disrupt them. But the 9/10 axis just completely lost the plot. I've seen Wilkinson struggle many a time (he's not the God the public think), but I've never seen him have a nightmare like that. Passes going 6 feet over the heads of the centres? Unbelievable.

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 11):
Gomersall shouldn't even be in the England side he can't even get in the Quins side for christ sake

We're a shortage of scrum-halves in England. Ellis and Richards are both injured. Loads of 10s, not many 9s.
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:06 pm



Quoting Banco (Reply 15):
What ARE you on about? England "above themselves"?

Yea I agree. The privilege of being above yourself is only reserved for New Zealand during world cup year...  Wink
 
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sat Feb 09, 2008 4:05 pm

Well, the second weekend is nearly half way through now.

What a game between Wales and Scotland. Very, very bad call by the TMO, and some very bad play by Shanklin. Don't be surprised to see him benched for the next game.

Scotland can't really blame the match officials though (for the loss), as their display was awful!

Really looking forward to France Ireland - could well be the best game of the weekend.
 
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:09 pm

Ireland are in danger of getting truly walloped here. Something tells me Cardiff could play host to another Grand Slam (but not the one I'm hoping for!).
 
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:45 pm



Quoting Oli80 (Reply 17):
Scotland can't really blame the match officials though (for the loss), as their display was awful!

Indeed. At least we'll win something though, even if it is the wooden spoon!  bigthumbsup 
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:20 pm



Quoting Oli80 (Reply 18):
Ireland are in danger of getting truly walloped here.

Well, I'm not going to point up your comment as being anything other than exactly what we were all thinking at the time. Great comeback from the Irish, but they still lost. And the defeat was largely self-inflicted, most of France's points came from horrendous mistakes from Ireland.

An opportunity missed for them.

Quoting Oli80 (Reply 17):
Very, very bad call by the TMO

An absolute joke of a decision that one.

Quoting Oli80 (Reply 17):
as their display was awful!

Second week in a row too. Odd, I though Scotland were going to make real progress this year.
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:39 pm



Quoting Banco (Reply 20):
Odd, I though Scotland were going to make real progress this year.

Banco, Banco, Banco, you as much as anyone should have expected this!
We do well for a wee spell, then suddenly everything goes pear shaped. It happens all the time with the Rugby team - we've not had a proper good side with any pace since the early 1990s.
We Scots love to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory, although the last 2 weeks we have been absolutely shocking.
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:06 pm



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 21):
We do well for a wee spell, then suddenly everything goes pear shaped.

Yes, but the two Scottish regions have shown vast improvement in both Celtic League and Heineken Cup. That's why I thought there would be progress, not the World Cup performance.
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:10 pm



Quoting Banco (Reply 22):
Yes, but the two Scottish regions have shown vast improvement in both Celtic League and Heineken Cup

We have teams in those?  Wow!
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:16 pm



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 23):
We have teams in those?

Typical armchair fan.  tongue 

You have two, Edinburgh and Glasgow. Borders folded fairly recently. Neither Scottish side qualified for the quarters of the Heineken Cup, but then they never have. Difference this time was that instead of being the whipping boys, they were competitive and nearly got through the group stages.
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:19 pm



Quoting Banco (Reply 24):
Typical armchair fan. tongue

Better an armchair fan than wandering amongst the commoners in a rugby stand  snooty 
 Wink

You'd be surprised how little club rugby is mentioned in the Scottish press.
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:25 pm



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 25):
Better an armchair fan than wandering amongst the commoners in a rugby stand

Excuse me? Says the football supporter?  snooty 

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 25):
You'd be surprised how little club rugby is mentioned in the Scottish press.

No, not really. I know that is pretty much the case. The Scotsman covers it reasonably well, but apart from that there's not a great deal. As far as Scotland is concerned it's a Lowlands game anyway, so only perhaps a third of the country (geographically) plays it anyway.
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:02 pm

I didn't catch the game but it sounds like the Poms just scrapped through by the skin of their teeth against the Italians. Mind you they aint a bad siade, Italy have improved 10 fold over the last 3-4 years

I was rooting for Italy...
 
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:19 pm



Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 27):
I didn't catch the game but it sounds like the Poms just scrapped through by the skin of their teeth against the Italians.

Mmm, no, not really. They were never really in any danger of losing the game apart from one penalty giving a line out near the England line right at the end that England then won and belted upfield. But it was another hugely disjointed and disappointing second half display from England, and had they been playing a side who were better behind the front eight than Italy, then they would certainly have lost. As it was, Italy's try came from a charge down. They never threatened anything else. But...

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 27):
Mind you they aint a bad siade, Italy have improved 10 fold over the last 3-4 years

...is absolutely right. Their pack is comparable with any in the world, they just desperately need quality half-backs and then they will do rather more than occasionally turn over the established sides, they'll start to do it regularly. But they're undoubtedly getting better all the time.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 27):
I was rooting for Italy...

Of course!  Wink

It's one of those things where, just like Argentina, them beating the "big" sides is merely a matter of time, and would be extremely good for rugby. Beating England would be a good thing, but as the saying goes in another context "not yet, dear Lord, not yet"  Wink
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:02 pm

Well, 'Super Saturday' got off to a super start. Wales did what Wales do best in the second half, and we didn't even need the TMO's help to get the ball rolling.

Can't wait for England France this evening. I have a feeling that this will be the game of the championship.

btw - watching the Super 14's this morning, since when do the only give a free kick for holding on, on the ground? I think it is a much better way of playing rugby, speeds the whole thing up.
 
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:20 pm

Good start to the game from Scotland - a huge improvement over the first 2 games.
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:06 am



Quoting Oli80 (Reply 29):
btw - watching the Super 14's this morning, since when do the only give a free kick for holding on, on the ground? I think it is a much better way of playing rugby, speeds the whole thing up

Super 14 is being used this year to experiment some new rules that the IRB throw on the table. New kicking for touch rules, and seperation of teams during scrum time are some of the changes. A bit messey at the moment, the ref and touchies getting a few confused once or twice in yesterdays Chiefs vs Waratahs match.

Quoting Banco (Reply 28):


Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 27):
I didn't catch the game but it sounds like the Poms just scrapped through by the skin of their teeth against the Italians.

Mmm, no, not really. They were never really in any danger of losing the game apart from one penalty giving a line out near the England line right at the end that England then won and belted upfield. But it was another hugely disjointed and disappointing second half display from England, and had they been playing a side who were better behind the front eight than Italy, then they would certainly have lost. As it was, Italy's try came from a charge down. They never threatened anything else. But...

Apologies. The media made it sound as if you guys just scrapped through, hence the assumption.
 
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Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:41 am



Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 31):
Super 14 is being used this year to experiment some new rules that the IRB throw on the table.

Ahem. That there has been sufficient whingeing from the Australians that their attempt to promote a way of de-powering the scrum (which co-incidentally is their weakest point) has been pathetically bowed to by the IRB...

Missed the France - England game because it isn't exactly popular here in India.  grumpy 
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:40 pm

Well that was much better from England. 'Intelligent rugby' was what the pundits and commentators said and I'd entirely agree with them. France still look as unpredictable as ever and for once Steve Walsh had a decent game with the whistle. Think the tournament is wide open now, I reckon France will beat Wales and it'll be between England, France and Wales on the last day.

As fas as the England team goes. Borthwick must stay in. Well done to Tom Croft and Lipman who despite being very inexperienced at international level did excellently, and well done to Wigglesworth, an excellent full debut from the guy. Also if we can get Vainakolo bursting through a lot more our backs will look far more dangerous. Also be nice to see Wilko pass Jenkin's record sooner rather than later!
 
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:06 am



Quoting Davehammer (Reply 33):
Also if we can get Vainakolo bursting through a lot more our backs will look far more dangerous

I understand they played him at inside centre in the second half?
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:51 am



Quoting Banco (Reply 34):
I understand they played him at inside centre in the second half?

I'm not sure about that bit. He did get the ball more, but that wasn't really hard, considering he barely touched the ball in the first half.

Quoting Davehammer (Reply 33):
Think the tournament is wide open now, I reckon France will beat Wales and it'll be between England, France and Wales on the last day.

There's only going to be one winner on the last day, and I'm sure it's going to be a Grand Slam of a day!  Wink
 
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:07 am



Quoting Oli80 (Reply 35):
There's only going to be one winner on the last day, and I'm sure it's going to be a Grand Slam of a day!

Stop day-dreaming and get back down the pit.

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Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:20 pm



Quoting Banco (Reply 34):
I understand they played him at inside centre in the second half?

No he stayed on the wing, but he did slip into the centres for a quick burst which set up wilco's drop goal. As the commentator noted, we should be seeing more of that. Whenever he did get the ball he seemed to have no problem gaining some decent yardage.

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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:37 pm

Wales, a grand slam? Well maybe but I cant see it happening. I think the French will edge a tight game but we shall see. I'm afraid though my view of Wales is skewed slightly by a real dislike of Gavin Henson, Shane Williams and Gareth Thomas. Mainly Henson though!
 
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Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:06 pm



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 36):


Quoting Oli80 (Reply 35):
There's only going to be one winner on the last day, and I'm sure it's going to be a Grand Slam of a day!

Stop day-dreaming and get back down the pit.

Or have they all closed now? duck



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Wales, a grand slam? Well maybe but I cant see it happening

It's going to be a Grand Slam weekend! And thank you Scotland!!! Woohoo!!!!!
 
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:42 pm

Thank you very much Wales for winning today  Smile. If Ireland had won & beaten England next Saturday the working class people here would never hear the end of it. Rugby is a snobs game here so thank god we lost.
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:59 am



Quoting Banco (Reply 2):
Will France remember that the reason we all watch them is because they are utterly indisciplined, completely uncontrollable, gloriously unpredictable and quite liable to score an 80 metre try through the whole threequarter line, the winger pausing for a Gauloise and Pastis en route? Or will they decide that they still want to be like England?

I love you too, baby. Now where's my engagement ring???  biggrin 

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 1):
And if we don't win it, good luck to France Wink

Now I must be getting old. Since when do you wish France luck?  Wink
 
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:33 pm

Come on you English boys (Banco, Scbriml), surely things aren't that bad?  Wink - don't let this thread die

Gkirk - I thought we'd hear a lot more from you! You beat the enemy!!  Wink It's has to be one of the best days of the year, surely?

I'm really looking forward to Saturday (for obvious reasons). I really think that we stand a good chance of winning our 2nd Grand Slam in 4 years. The management has to take a lot of the credit for this. Although I did read an article today claiming that Henson's record in the 6 nations is 9/9. Maybe he is the missing link!  Wink
 
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:43 pm



Quoting Oli80 (Reply 42):
Gkirk - I thought we'd hear a lot more from you! You beat the enemy!! Wink It's has to be one of the best days of the year, surely?

I was too pissed to post  Smile , but yes, delighted with the win, and surprised about just how crap England performed.
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RE: 6 Nations Thread

Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:47 am

The 2nd Grand Slam in four years! What can I say?! Woohoo!!! Pissed as a fart, but I don't care. Rolling around on the floor in the pub screaming until I had no voice left. It was worth it!!

Wales, Wales!!

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