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GPS Theft - I Swear They Do This On Purpose

Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:44 pm

The latest item to be stolen in mass quantities is GPS units with gangs going around stealing up to 50 units a night each then selling them easily to pawn shops (according to an NPR report I heard today). Very few people don't bother to register them and ownership is hard to prove.

A few years ago car stereos were getting stolen, so they increased security for those (removable faces etc)

Then cell phones were getting stolen left, right and center so security was increased for those (stolen units getting blocked from the network etc)

So there's a trend forming here - the electronics companies make a must-have product, launch it with no security features, stacks of them get stolen (which means more and more repeat sales of their product boosting revenue) and only then do they start to introduce security features, usually calling them a product 'feature'.

They're making a lot of money out of this crime and I reckon they're doing it on purpose. I mean, they can't think for a moment that a high dollar, compact electronic item with no security features ISN'T going to get stolen can they?

What say you?
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RE: GPS Theft - I Swear They Do This On Purpose

Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:51 pm



Quoting BristolFlyer (Thread starter):
What say you?

I do believe that Satnavs were the "must steal" product for thieves this Christmas. A taxi driver told me that, not only do you have to remove the unit when parking the car, you have to remove the holder, AND ALSO clean away any marks it may leave on the windscreen, as this is a dead giveaway that there is probably one hidden inside the car.
 
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Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:59 pm



Quoting BristolFlyer (Thread starter):
What say you?

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RE: GPS Theft - I Swear They Do This On Purpose

Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:59 pm

I don't think it's the manufacturer that is responsible, because a lot of the thefts usually come from careless people, leaving things out in the open.

Something like a GPS is an easy target, it sits behind your car window on the dashboard after all. Theifs probably aren't going to bust open your car unless they know something of value is inside.
 
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RE: GPS Theft - I Swear They Do This On Purpose

Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:01 am



Quoting BristolFlyer (Thread starter):
So there's a trend forming here - the electronics companies make a must-have product, launch it with no security features, stacks of them get stolen (which means more and more repeat sales of their product boosting revenue) and only then do they start to introduce security features, usually calling them a product 'feature'.

They're making a lot of money out of this crime and I reckon they're doing it on purpose. I mean, they can't think for a moment that a high dollar, compact electronic item with no security features ISN'T going to get stolen can they?

Problem is if a manufacturer starts out with one "fully featured" in the beginning with all the security bells and whistles then that manufacturer will be more expensive than the rest and likely it won't sell enough (because the problem just isn't known or bad enough) and they'll loose money or go out of business.

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Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:18 am



Quoting BristolFlyer (Thread starter):
So there's a trend forming here - the electronics companies make a must-have product, launch it with no security features, stacks of them get stolen (which means more and more repeat sales of their product boosting revenue) and only then do they start to introduce security features, usually calling them a product 'feature'.

Simple... don't own any of that stuff, don't get it stolen.  yes 
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RE: GPS Theft - I Swear They Do This On Purpose

Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:31 am



Quoting BristolFlyer (Thread starter):
They're making a lot of money out of this crime and I reckon they're doing it on purpose.

Yeah, probably, but:

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 5):

Simple... don't own any of that stuff, don't get it stolen. yes

OR

If you own that stuff; protect the effing kit!!!

I guarantee that the people getting ripped off are those 'it won't happen to me' dumb asses who leave that kind of kit on their dash for everyone to see. Of course the thieves see it, and steal it, duh.
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Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:37 am



Quoting TedTAce (Reply 6):
I guarantee that the people getting ripped off are those 'it won't happen to me' dumb asses who leave that kind of kit on their dash for everyone to see. Of course the thieves see it, and steal it, duh.

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I make reports every day where some twit has his/her vehicle burgled because they've left something tasty in plain view on the front seat. "Where was your laptop?" "On the front seat." "You're a dumbass." "My life's work was on it." "Did you back it up?" "No!" "Dumbass."

It's a simple fact that a thief is more likely to move on to a better target if he doesn't see anything in your vehicle worth stealing. How hard is it to tuck something as portable as a GPS unit in your pocket/briefcase/etc?
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Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:53 am

Another thing to consider is that most of the portable/aftermarket GPS units are designed to be easy to install without messing with your vehicle's internals. For the most part, if its easy to mount, its easy to unmount and steal.
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Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:55 am

Well actually these things do have some security but...
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Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:16 am

In northern New Jersey where I live, there has been a huge rise in the theft of car portable GPS systems. Probably most are stolen by druggies or others out of cash taking advantage of an unlocked or poorly secured car, the GPS out on the seat and the telltail window bracket screaming "I HAVE PORTABLE GPS SYTEM IN THE CAR".
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:25 am

Something to be carefull of, a spate of GPS thefts from Alton Towers (a theme park). Theives then use GPS to locate the owner's "Home" setting, and then break in, knowing the family is out for the full day at said theme park. So, instead of "home", set the "home" setting to the nearest police station  Smile

I for one won't have a GPS, I prefer route planning for myself with maps / atlas.

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RE: GPS Theft - I Swear They Do This On Purpose

Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:30 am



Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 1):
AND ALSO clean away any marks it may leave on the windscreen, as this is a dead giveaway that there is probably one hidden inside the car.

TIP: NEVER EVER program your address under the "home" button. A lot of theives go around airport car parks looking for cars with these tell-tale rings on the window. Steal the GPS, hit the HOME button, then find your house and burgle that too while your on holiday.

If you must save your address, bookmark it but name it as the street.
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:34 am

Simple answer if you're buying a new car, fork out the extra $$$ for factory fitted kit.

If you're unlucky enough to get your portable one stolen twice, that's the cost of the factory option already.

Why give the thieving toe rags an opportunity?

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Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:34 am

On the German Land Rover forum, one guy described how in Southern France two guys on a scooter tried to steal his wife's handbag from the back of his Defender (the rear sliding windows are notorious for the ease they can be opened from the outside) while he was standing at a traffic light.
The would-be thieves didn't count though on "Hasso" sleeping in the back, a German sheperd, "who bites first and and then wags his tail, being happy about the snack".

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RE: GPS Theft - I Swear They Do This On Purpose

Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:09 pm



Quoting Fantikerz (Reply 3):
because a lot of the thefts usually come from careless people, leaving things out in the open.



Quoting Duff44 (Reply 5):
Simple... don't own any of that stuff, don't get it stolen.



Quoting TedTAce (Reply 6):
If you own that stuff; protect the effing kit!!!

I guarantee that the people getting ripped off are those 'it won't happen to me' dumb asses who leave that kind of kit on their dash for everyone to see. Of course the thieves see it, and steal it, duh.



Quoting HickoryShampoo (Reply 7):
because they've left something tasty in plain view on the front seat.

I notice everyone blames the victim here. No one is laying blame where it belongs: the thief.
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Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:23 pm



Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 15):
No one is laying blame where it belongs: the thief.

The thief is certainly to blame and they each deserve a swift kick to the groin. The point is that if you take away the factor of giving them something to steal, you're less likely to become a victim. There will always be theives. We can whine and moan about how sad our society is that we can't even leave nice things in our cars, but the simple fact is that there will always be crime. All we can realistically do is make ourselves less of a target by using some common sense.
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RE: GPS Theft - I Swear They Do This On Purpose

Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:39 pm

The problem is that even if you remove the thing out of sight, there will still be a "hickey" on the window where the holder was attached. So a build-in version is always better. Unless you want to clean the window everytime you park of course.
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Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:34 pm



Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 15):
the thief.

I guess you don't understand why the term entrapment even exists.  Yeah sure
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Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:30 pm

I always lock my GPS in the glove compartment. I had my car broken into a couple months ago and luckily the theives couldn't get to it.
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Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:50 pm



Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 17):
guess you don't understand why the term entrapment even exists

I understand what entrapment is and why it exists. What I don't understand is why you would bring it up here. We are talking about the morality of people that steal (the conversation drifted rather lazily in that direction). I asked the question as to why everyone feels that the victim bears some responsibility. I don't live in a Utopian, idealist world (I leave that to the liberals). I'm a realist. And as I realist, the way we stop these random thefts, is we punish, harshly, within the bounds of the Bill of Rights, the alleged thieves.

I should not have to vary the way I do things because there are thieves in the world.
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Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:11 pm



Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 20):
I should not have to vary the way I do things because there are thieves in the world.

I agree with the sentiment, but the ultimate point I have is that sometimes situations present themselves that make people who ordinarily would take a pass, do something they might end up regretting. I doubt that most of the people burgled in the OP's story were victims of otherwise well intentioned people, but maybe a few of them were. All I know is that I grew up in a city where theft was common, and learned fast that if you want to hold on to something, don't let anyone know you have it.
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Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:33 pm



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 12):
TIP: NEVER EVER program your address under the "home" button.

How hopeless a navigator would you have to be to need instructions ALL THE WAY back to your own bloody house?  scratchchin 
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Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:51 pm



Quoting Signol (Reply 11):
Something to be carefull of, a spate of GPS thefts from Alton Towers (a theme park). Theives then use GPS to locate the owner's "Home" setting, and then break in, knowing the family is out for the full day at said theme park. So, instead of "home", set the "home" setting to the nearest police station

If a thief wants to find out your home address, all he has to do is look at the registration or insurance certificate that every one carries in their usually unlocked glove compartments.

I have a Magellan GPS and have never used the suction cup bracket, In my car or when I go on the road and rent a car I just place it on the center console, the screens are so small to begin with that I rely more on the voice commands than the screen. When I leave the car for a few minutes I slide it under the seat or for a longer period of time just put it in my pocket and take it with me. I never leave it in the car overnight, even in my garage.
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:56 pm



Quoting TedTAce (Reply 21):

I grew up in Flatbush, Brooklyn, NY. I'm not saying that I don't do things to prevent theft, I'm saying I shouldn't have to. There is no fear of the police for petty crimes. Big to medium city police departments (big generalization coming here, but I'm comfortable with it) are too busy to after petty theft and small change B&E. My point is that the small stuff should be a priority. Bring the little stuff to heel and the big stuff will get easier.
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Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:59 pm



Quoting Signol (Reply 11):
Theives then use GPS to locate the owner's "Home" setting, and then break in, knowing the family is out for the full day at said theme park. So, instead of "home", set the "home" setting to the nearest police station  

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Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:11 am



Quoting Jetstar (Reply 23):
If a thief wants to find out your home address, all he has to do is look at the registration or insurance certificate that every one carries in their usually unlocked glove compartments.

Ah, this is not the case in the UK - we are encouraged never to keep insurance / registration documents in the car. Likewise driving licenses should be left at home. There is *nothing* in my car to lead to my address. Only registered businesses can contact the DVLA (Driver and Vehicle Licensing Authority) to find out my address, and only then if I've been illegally parked, etc.

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Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:31 am

I dont have a GPS/Satnav. If I don't know where I am going, I use a map. Apart from directions to a particular place a map also gives a view of the surrounding area, showing places in the near and far proximity and allowing an idea of the area you are going to.

I have never had the urge to have some faceless bint telling me to "Turn left here" or "exit motorway now" and then turn across 3 lanes of traffic. Strangely enough, I was taught to read a map at school. It is my firm belief that, if you don't know where you are going then you shouldn't go out. Big grin

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RE: GPS Theft - I Swear They Do This On Purpose

Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:37 am

My Garmin has the facility to enter a pin and there is a sticker on the front of it saying "Pin Protected", so maybe a deterrent.
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:56 am



Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 27):
I dont have a GPS/Satnav. If I don't know where I am going, I use a map. Apart from directions to a particular place a map also gives a view of the surrounding area, showing places in the near and far proximity and allowing an idea of the area you are going to.

No, I don't have one either. I am weakening though, because of the endless frustrations of trying to get round insane town centre one way systems where you just can't get to where it is you need to. Glasgow city centre was just a modern incarnation of hell. That's where the odd occasion I've had satnav in the hire car is a real boon.
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:22 am



Quoting Banco (Reply 22):
How hopeless a navigator would you have to be to need instructions ALL THE WAY back to your own bloody house?

I got one for Christmas. Not something I really wanted but now that I have it it's really useful. To answer the home question. Lets say you've navigated to several points throughout the day in areas that are unfamiliar to you. I hit home and it maps out the shortest route back. I know where I live but I may not know where I live in relation to an unfamiliar area. I always pop it in my handbag and take it out of the car with me I like my car too much to have a thief damage it for a $300 piece of electronic equipment. Hadn't considered the suction cup mount being an issue grr! now that would be a hassle.
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:27 am



Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 27):
I dont have a GPS/Satnav.

That's how he once ended up on the Isle of Man  rotfl 

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 27):
And anyway, who would believe anyone driving a 2002 1.1 Saxo

A Victor Meldrew car, if ever there was one !!!  duck 

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Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:32 pm



Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 31):

Absolutely no need for your ageist and hurtful comments. I shall apply to JGPH1A for an instant Fatwah to be issued immediately!!  grumpy 

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Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:36 pm



Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 32):
I shall apply to JGPH1A for an instant Fatwah to be issued immediately!!

And why should anyone who wears a thong be taken seriously?  rotfl 
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:12 pm



Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 33):
And why should anyone who wears a thong be taken seriously?

Evil boy!! He will have you hung, drawn and sent to Sweden for your horrid comments!  grumpy 

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Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:41 pm

Sharia law can't come a moment too soon  Wink

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RE: GPS Theft - I Swear They Do This On Purpose

Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:11 am

That's the thing that scares me about having a standalone GPS Nav. The one I have now is built in my car and it is convenient because I don't have to hide it every time I get out of the car.
 
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Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:49 am



Quoting Signol (Reply 26):
Ah, this is not the case in the UK - we are encouraged never to keep insurance / registration documents in the car. Likewise driving licenses should be left at home

So you are saying in the UK that you don’t have to carry your drivers license with you when you are out driving. What happens if you are stopped by the police, how do they know you are licensed to drive.
 
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Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:56 am



Quoting Jetstar (Reply 37):
So you are saying in the UK that you don’t have to carry your drivers license with you when you are out driving.

Correct. It's because there is no requirement to carry an identity card in this country. In the US, effectively there is.

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 37):
What happens if you are stopped by the police, how do they know you are licensed to drive.

They take all your details and you must present your driving licence at the local police station within 7 days.
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Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:31 pm

Leave a stack of map books on the passenger seat as a deterrent  Wink

Quoting Banco (Reply 22):
How hopeless a navigator would you have to be to need instructions ALL THE WAY back to your own bloody house?  

My father's nav system updates you on the traffic on the drive home so it is useful to always have it running. Then again that was integrated into the car so only a dumbass would break in and try and steal it.

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 37):
What happens if you are stopped by the police, how do they know you are licensed to drive.

I always carry my license on me when driving back home but you are usually given a producer and then have to present your license to a police station with seven or fourteen days. It is something like that...
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RE: GPS Theft - I Swear They Do This On Purpose

Sat Feb 09, 2008 12:51 am



Quoting HickoryShampoo (Reply 7):
It's a simple fact that a thief is more likely to move on to a better target if he doesn't see anything in your vehicle worth stealing.

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Quoting Daedaeg (Reply 19):
I always lock my GPS in the glove compartment. I had my car broken into a couple months ago and luckily the theives couldn't get to it.

I always leave my glove box open so any potential theif can look inside and see that aside from a packet of tissues, a pen and some other junk, there isn't anything worth stealing so hopefully they will move onto someone elses car and leave mine alone. I used to lock my portable cd player in the glove box of my old car, until it got broken into and they smashed the gloxe box open to steal it so I then ended up with a damaged interior as well as the door lock they prised out to get in !!.

Quoting Banco (Reply 29):
Glasgow city centre was just a modern incarnation of hell.

Ha ha, first time I ever used a Sat Nav was to go to Glasgow and Edinburgh. Damn thing kept telling me to turn the wrong way down one way streets and all sorts !!. When we got into Edinburgh, it couldn't pick up the satellite signals due to the buildings and high ground so it was a bit of a waste of time !!. Was ok out on the open road where you don't really need it though !!.

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