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NHL Trade Deadline Nearing!

Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:51 pm

Well we have about two weeks to the NHL Trade Deadline and what had been a pretty static season thus far received a jumpstart yesterday with the 'Canes trading Mike Commodore and Cory Stillman to the Senators for Joe Corvo and Patrick Eaves. Personally, I'm not too enthralled with the trade, as I think Commodore is a better defensive d-man than Corvo is an offensive defenseman. I'm hoping against hope that Commie and Stiller return to wearing the sightless eye in the off-season when they turn UFA.

So, discuss trades, rumors, and what your team needs to either make the playoffs or clinch Lord Stanley's mug here.

A friend of mine who's a Washington fan reports that the Caps may be looking to trade Kolzig for a younger goalie - he had heard a trade with the Sens for either Gerber or Emery or with the Rangers for Montoya.
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RE: NHL Trade Deadline Nearing!

Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:02 pm



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Thread starter):
A friend of mine who's a Washington fan reports that the Caps may be looking to trade Kolzig for a younger goalie - he had heard a trade with the Sens for either Gerber or Emery or with the Rangers for Montoya.

With all due respect to your friend I think his rumor is ridiculous. The Caps are currently sitting 3rd in the conference. Why the hell would they trade the guy who has been the starting goaltender for the last 10 years in the middle of a playoff run:?

In regards to my Isles, I see guys such as Satan, Hunter and Fedotenko being shipped out. I am hoping that we wil hold onto Comrie and see if we can lock him up for 2 more years.
 
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RE: NHL Trade Deadline Nearing!

Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:28 pm



Quoting JFK69 (Reply 1):
Why the hell would they trade the guy who has been the starting goaltender for the last 10 years in the middle of a playoff run:?

Kolzig's not quite the stud he has been and his age is starting to show. Bruce Boudreau has already indicated that he's going to platoon Brent Johnson and Kolzig for the rest of the season and when Kolzig does decide to hang them up, the Caps are going to be left with little in the way of a replacement. Beyond that, Kolzig's contract is up at the end of the season and, as far as one can tell, the Caps haven't really been discussing an extension with him yet. Johnson's a solid back-up and that's about it. In their prospect pool they've got Michael Neuvirth playing in the OHL and Semen Varlamov in Russia, but neither really project to be elite goaltenders nor will be available in the near future. If Washington is serious about the playoff run and want a good shot, it might make sense to deal Kolzig for a goalie who can carry them not just through the playoffs, but through the next few years.
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:07 pm



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Thread starter):
Mike Commodore

I'm glad the 'Canes shipped Ogie Oglethorpe out of the Southeast....  duck 

Of course the BIGGEST rumors swirl around one Marian Hossa. Considering how tight the Southeast Division is (As of right now, first and last in the division are separated by 7 points.), if he does get traded, it will definitely be for players that can step in and help the Thrashers down the stretch. Now the question is whether Don Waddell will ship out some of our best prospects in some deals like last season? Brett Sterling, Bryan Little, or Boris Valabik maybe, Ondrej Pavelec, no. With Kari Lehtonen set to become a free agent at the end of the season, Pavelec is our backup plan behind the pipes. He looked pretty decent during his spell with the Thrashers earlier in the season, going 3-3-0 in 7 appearances with a 3.11 GAA and a .905 Save % (Not bad considering that last season he was playing juniors for Cape Breton of the QJMHL) and is currently playing for the Wolves, where his is 18-8-0 in 26 games with a 3.02 GAA and a .902 Save %.

There's rumors that for the last two Thrashers games, someone from the Stars was supposed to be there but never showed, leading to rumors of a deal with Dallas. Considering how both teams' fan felt about that last trade right before the 2006 Draft (Patrik "I can't even score into an empty net" Stefan and Jaroslav Slodry Modry for Niko Kapanen and the Stars' 7th round pick), I sure hope nothing happens.

Any offers for Bobby Holik would be much appreciated. Worst Captain we've ever had.

If we do trade Hossa, I'm going to believe the rumors and he gets traded to Montreal.
 
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RE: NHL Trade Deadline Nearing!

Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:11 pm



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 2):
Kolzig's not quite the stud he has been and his age is starting to show. Bruce Boudreau has already indicated that he's going to platoon Brent Johnson and Kolzig for the rest of the season and when Kolzig does decide to hang them up, the Caps are going to be left with little in the way of a replacement. Beyond that, Kolzig's contract is up at the end of the season and, as far as one can tell, the Caps haven't really been discussing an extension with him yet. Johnson's a solid back-up and that's about it. In their prospect pool they've got Michael Neuvirth playing in the OHL and Semen Varlamov in Russia, but neither really project to be elite goaltenders nor will be available in the near future. If Washington is serious about the playoff run and want a good shot, it might make sense to deal Kolzig for a goalie who can carry them not just through the playoffs, but through the next few years.

I agree with you for the most part. I was never a huge fan of Kolzig and I always thought he was the Achilles heal of that team. But this season he has just not been that bad. I don't see them renewing his contract unless he takes a huge cut and is willing to play backup. Ottawa will most likely send Emery away before the deadline but I am not sure what they will ask in return and what Washington would offer.

Montoya is a minor leaguer until proven otherwise. I doubt the caps would want a inexperienced goalie for a playoff run.
 
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Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:15 pm

I wouldn't mind if the Isles shipped Comrie elsewhere. He probably won't sign with the team in offseason and instead will go out west to be closer to Hilary Duff (his girlfriend). He might be able to land a late first round pick. As for Satan, he could get something, but not what the Isles could get if he was healthy (he has nagging leg injuries). Also, he has a no-trade clause, so he'd have to approve any trade the Isles make. Hunter could be pretty valuable for a team looking for a physical presence and a very responsible player on their third line. And Fedotenko.... who cares, I'd take a bag of pucks for him right now. It's time for the Isles to replenish their prospect base.
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RE: NHL Trade Deadline Nearing!

Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:20 pm

The Toronto Maple Leafs are having a fire sale but fire is hard to sell when everybody has a no trade clause all thanks to JFJ. Mr. Fletcher has his work cut out for him in the centre of the hockey universe.  Wink
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Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:58 am

Flames need to dump Tanguay for some decent draft picks and also free up cap space to sign another necessary player (Huselius or Langkow)

The Stars don't need to trade anyone... they have a formula that works.
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RE: NHL Trade Deadline Nearing!

Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:03 am

The Canadiens have a little cap room, but the problem is, they're going to have to resign Andrei Kostitsyn and Mark Streit (which they probably will want to do, and both will likely get significant raises) among others, and adding (and trying to keep) Hossa will put a serious crimp in their ability to do that.
 
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RE: NHL Trade Deadline Nearing!

Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:04 am



Quoting YooYoo (Reply 6):

It's true. But if anyone can do it I think it's the Fletch!

It'll be a sad day Mats Sundin leaves Toronto for the airport to join another team, he has shown the ultimate in class and sportsmanship since Fletcher brought him here all those years ago. I do hope that wherever Sundin winds up (assuming he will waive his NTC) that he has success and wins the Stanley Cup.

As for the rest of the Leafs, I would like to keep Kaberle, however, I understand that might not be possible so if he has to go in order to unload some dead-weight like Kubina or Raycroft then so be it. Another person that needs to go, or be demoted to the Marlies, is Kyle Wellwood, never in my life have I seen a more lazy and unmotivated player, he has all the skill in the world and just doesn't care.
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Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:20 am

The only wild crazy rumor I've heard with the Wings is trading for Sergei Federov.  boggled 
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Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:44 am



Quoting JCS17 (Reply 5):
And Fedotenko.... who cares, I'd take a bag of pucks for him right now. It's time for the Isles to replenish their prospect base.

What has happened to poor Feds? He showed such promise at Tampa Bay but has really struggled the past couple of seasons. Probably his injuries.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:46 am



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 3):
I'm glad the 'Canes shipped Ogie Oglethorpe out of the Southeast....

I'm not. Like I said, I think Commie is better at his craft than Corvo. But Rutherford has been coveting a puck-moving defenseman since Frank Kaberle's shoulder surgery ruined him, so voila. IMO, the Hurricanes defense needs a serious make-over. At present the pairings are something like this:

Corvo-Wesley
Hedican-Gleason
Wallin-Kabelere

Seidenberg
Tanabe (IR)

Kabelere's useless, Tanabe was useless even before the concussion and hasn't been on the ice since sustaining it. Wesley and Hedican both, IMO, need to take a long look at whether or not the time is right to hang 'em up. That leaves Corvo, Gleason, and Wallin. You can see why I'd rather Commodore, that great cross between Ogie, Ronald McDonald, and Sideshow Bob, come back to Raleigh.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 3):
Any offers for Bobby Holik would be much appreciated. Worst Captain we've ever had.

I'll give you two RBC Center barbeque sandwiches, a large Newcastle, an unsalted pretzel, and a pack of cinnamon-roasted pecans for him.
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RE: NHL Trade Deadline Nearing!

Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:56 am



Quoting YooYoo (Reply 6):
The Toronto Maple Leafs are having a fire sale but fire is hard to sell when everybody has a no trade clause all thanks to JFJ. Mr. Fletcher has his work cut out for him in the centre of the hockey universe.

JFJ is going to be a guest analyst on TSN. So that makes two gigs he's landed that he's utterly unqualified for.

Quoting A332 (Reply 7):
Flames need to dump Tanguay for some decent draft picks and also free up cap space to sign another necessary player (Huselius or Langkow)

I watched the Sharks vs Flames at the HP Pavillion tonight Tanguay looked pedestrian at best and Huselius looked so disinterested I'm amazed he didn't get flogged by Keenan.

Quoting Surfpunk (Reply 8):
The Canadiens have a little cap room, but the problem is, they're going to have to resign Andrei Kostitsyn and Mark Streit (which they probably will want to do, and both will likely get significant raises) among others, and adding (and trying to keep) Hossa will put a serious crimp in their ability to do that.

I would LOVE it if the Sens could land Kostitsyn but I don't see it happening. The Habs will be reluctant to do any deals within the division and if I were them I would not be very pleased at some of the "players" the Sens have exiled to Montreal over the years most notably Radek Bonk, the most ineffective player in Sens history.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 9):
Another person that needs to go, or be demoted to the Marlies, is Kyle Wellwood, never in my life have I seen a more lazy and unmotivated player, he has all the skill in the world and just doesn't care.

Are you serious? Bang for buck he's amongst the top players on the Leafs. I know that's not saying much but come on.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 9):
I understand that might not be possible so if he has to go in order to unload some dead-weight like Kubina or Raycroft then so be it.

Kubina is the dictionary definition of dead weight.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 9):

As for the rest of the Leafs, I would like to keep Kaberle

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Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:13 am



Quoting YOWza (Reply 13):
Are you serious? Bang for buck he's amongst the top players on the Leafs. I know that's not saying much but come on.

Dead serious. I almost threw up when he came out and admitted that he's one of the weakest players in the NHL and when his dad said that he didn't do much physical training over the summer. There's an invitation for your opponents to cream you. If you could combine Wellwood's talent with Tucker's heart you'd have one hell of a player in my mind!

Now I'll fully admit to having heard these stories second hand, keep that in mind, but around Windsor (where I am finishing up University and where Wellwood is from), there are stories of him being escorted out of bars by friends and police all over the place because he was way too intoxicated. Like I said above, I don't doubt his talent, I doubt his work ethic and his heart.

A player that I really admire is Colaiacovo who has more heart than he knows what to do with, and unfortunately lay's it out on the line all to often and ends up hurt.
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Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:56 am



Quoting 767Lover (Reply 11):
What has happened to poor Feds? He showed such promise at Tampa Bay but has really struggled the past couple of seasons. Probably his injuries.

No no, he was healthy most the year, he just sucks now. He dosen't use his size enough to plant himself in the slot.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 13):

Kubina is the dictionary definition of dead weight.

That would be the whole Maple Leaf team this year.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:03 pm



Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 9):
It's true. But if anyone can do it I think it's the Fletch!

I certainly hope so. He was a great GM back in the 90's for us.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 9):
It'll be a sad day Mats Sundin leaves Toronto

I'm one of his biggest fans. Top notch player, one of the best in the league...skill and class.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 9):
I would like to keep Kaberle

I like Kaberle, although this year has not been his best but he does have a good skill set.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 9):
dead-weight like Kubina or Raycroft

Put them both on waivers and when nobody picks them up, dump to the Marlies and free up some cap space. Kubina has been playing better this year but not a $5 million + player for sure.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 9):
Another person that needs to go, or be demoted to the Marlies, is Kyle Wellwood,

I totally agree with you with regards to Wellwood. They say he can stick handle in a phone booth but that doesn't matter if your head and heart are missing.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 13):
JFJ is going to be a guest analyst on TSN. So that makes two gigs he's landed that he's utterly unqualified for.

I heard JFJ is also now a scout for Team Canada for the World Hockey Championships in Halifax and Quebec City. Yzerman of all people hired him!!

As for the LEafs i'd like to keep Toskola, Sundin (i doubt he will waive his NTC), Kaberle and maybe Antropov. The rest can go.
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Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:20 pm



Quoting 767Lover (Reply 11):
What has happened to poor Feds? He showed such promise at Tampa Bay but has really struggled the past couple of seasons. Probably his injuries.

Fedotenko started out really strong and very promising, but has since busted. He scored his first goal in God knows how many games (it has to be 15+) last night.
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Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:24 pm



Quoting YooYoo (Reply 16):
Put them both on waivers and when nobody picks them up, dump to the Marlies and free up some cap space

Or ship them down to the Inferno. You wouldn't want Pogge picking up any of Raycroft's bad habits now, would you? I seriously cannot understand why my other favorite team, the Penguins, wanted Raycroft at any point in time.
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RE: NHL Trade Deadline Nearing!

Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:06 pm



Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 14):
Dead serious. I almost threw up when he came out and admitted that he's one of the weakest players in the NHL and when his dad said that he didn't do much physical training over the summer. There's an invitation for your opponents to cream you. If you could combine Wellwood's talent with Tucker's heart you'd have one hell of a player in my mind!

I must have missed that. If indeed it happened, I would concur that it's not at all bright to let that out.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 14):
Now I'll fully admit to having heard these stories second hand, keep that in mind, but around Windsor (where I am finishing up University and where Wellwood is from), there are stories of him being escorted out of bars by friends and police all over the place because he was way too intoxicated. Like I said above, I don't doubt his talent, I doubt his work ethic and his heart.

Well I'm OK with the old school hockey mentality as long as it doesn't degrade your game day performance.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 14):
A player that I really admire is Colaiacovo who has more heart than he knows what to do with, and unfortunately lay's it out on the line all to often and ends up hurt.

As you said he's perpetually on IR. I have not seen enough of him for a prolonged stretch to be impressed.

Quoting JFK69 (Reply 15):
That would be the whole Maple Leaf team this year.

Well some of them are revive-able Kubina is DOA.

Quoting YooYoo (Reply 16):

I heard JFJ is also now a scout for Team Canada for the World Hockey Championships in Halifax and Quebec City. Yzerman of all people hired him!!

No way!!! Seriously? If this is the case I will start a petition to fight that. He can run the Leafs like an ECHL team, I don't care but Team Canada deserves way better.

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Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:17 pm



Quoting YOWza (Reply 19):
I must have missed that. If indeed it happened, I would concur that it's not at all bright to let that out.

I dug out the article where his old man says that he needs to do more work in the summer and where Wellwood himself admits to being one of the weaker players in the leage. It's in this link here.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 19):

Well I'm OK with the old school hockey mentality as long as it doesn't degrade your game day performance.

I'm an old school hockey fan too, and I'm not against having fun, lord knows I've been helped out of the bar by friends more times than I can count. But given the above article, maybe less partying and more working out would help, after all it's not just a game, it's also his job.

Just my opinion though, but I personally don't his game day performance has been good. I don't doubt his puck/stick handling abilities, only his heart and work ethic.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 19):

No way!!! Seriously? If this is the case I will start a petition to fight that. He can run the Leafs like an ECHL team, I don't care but Team Canada deserves way better.

Serious as a heart attack my friend  Wink The link to that article is here.
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Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:21 pm



Quoting YooYoo (Reply 16):
I totally agree with you with regards to Wellwood. They say he can stick handle in a phone booth but that doesn't matter if your head and heart are missing.

We have the same issue with Benoit Pouliot here in Minnesota. He's got tremendous talent, but his work ethic leaves a lot to be desired, and he has a serious issue with getting pouty. He had a great training camp, but was sent down to Houston because he needs to continue to get his head screwed on straight, and he has not done that well for the Aeros. He's pretty much been a whiny baby (especially since James Sheppard made the final squad), and that was not helped any when Aaron Voros was called up, and has remained with the Wild because he has shown tremendous effort and heart up here. Rather than letting that be a lesson to him, Pouliot has continued to sulk and play when he feels like it.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:24 pm



Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 20):

I'm an old school hockey fan too, and I'm not against having fun, lord knows I've been helped out of the bar by friends more times than I can count. But given the above article, maybe less partying and more working out would help, after all it's not just a game, it's also his job

I see where you're coming from.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 20):
Serious as a heart attack my friend Wink The link to that article is here.

Watch this space. Petition coming.

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Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:29 pm

The Stars are among many teams who have looked at Hossa, but, after last year's trading deadline debacles (betting two first rounders on Norstrom and Nagy, who is no longer there), and subsequent firing of the GM who made the deals, the cupboard is nearly bare. Co-GMs Les Jackson and Brett Hull will definitely not be trading any of our prospects or younger players, most of them actually having improved since being given regular amounts of playing time.
That said, Hull is very close with Modano, and there have been constant rumors of the desire to acquire a scoring winger to play with Mike. CNNSI's Allan Muir mentioned Vaclav Prospal as a possibility, and Montreal's Michael Ryder has also been thrown around a bit.
I could easily see the Stars trading one of their veteran defenseman (Robidas, Boucher, Norstrom), forwards (Halpern or Barnes, Winchester), or younger players whose development has stalled (Daley or Eriksson) .
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:18 am



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 12):
I'll give you two RBC Center barbeque sandwiches, a large Newcastle, an unsalted pretzel, and a pack of cinnamon-roasted pecans for him.

Considering how folks in North Carolina ruin BBQ sandwiches by putting cole slaw on them (It's a side dish, not a condiment!), try again...... Plus I can get those pecans @ Philips Arena anyway  Wink

Quoting Surfpunk (Reply 21):
Quoting YooYoo (Reply 16):
I totally agree with you with regards to Wellwood. They say he can stick handle in a phone booth but that doesn't matter if your head and heart are missing.

We have the same issue with Benoit Pouliot here in Minnesota. He's got tremendous talent, but his work ethic leaves a lot to be desired, and he has a serious issue with getting pouty.

Those guys sound a bit like Alex Bourret, who the Thrashers traded at the deadline last season to the Rags. He was our first round pick in '05 and both training camps he participated with the Thrashers he came in out of shape and overweight. Last season, he was benched by John Anderson in Chicago because of his attitude, which is part of the reason for trading him for Dupuis and a pick. Turns out it just wasn't with the Thrashers he was this way. He did the same exact thing his first camp with the Rags.
 
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:31 am



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 24):
Turns out it just wasn't with the Thrashers he was this way. He did the same exact thing his first camp with the Rags.

I think Wellwood would pull the same crap on another team.

I don't want to sound like a complete homer here, but if Wellwood, a boy from Ontario can't bring his "A" game to play for the Leafs, a city that is arguably the biggest hockey town in North America, I really don't see where he would perform well. I'd love to get rid of him, but alas, I don't think he's fooling anyone and we probably wouldn't get any offers, maybe a pick or two if we were lucky.
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:27 am



Quoting YOWza (Reply 22):
Watch this space. Petition coming.

i'll sign that!

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 25):
I don't think he's fooling anyone and we probably wouldn't get any offers, maybe a pick or two if we were lucky.

5 or 6th round at best......i'd make the deal!!

Anybody know when the GM meeting are being held? (too lazy to look it up and i have to put the kids to bed now  Wink )
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:56 am



Quoting YooYoo (Reply 26):
Anybody know when the GM meeting are being held?

I think those have already taken place in Florida if I'm not mistaken... Or is there another round of meetings this month because of the trade deadline?

And I agree with you, I'd take pretty much anything for Wellwood right now, let someone else deal with him. I really don't see him as the type of player who will blossom and bite the Leafs in the arse when he's playing for another team. I envision Wellwood having a career defined by mediocrity and eventually fading away into the night.
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:09 am



Quoting JFK69 (Reply 4):
I was never a huge fan of Kolzig and I always thought he was the Achilles heal of that team.

I don't see how a Vezina trophy winner can be considered the Achilles heel
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:15 am



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 24):
Considering how folks in North Carolina ruin BBQ sandwiches by putting cole slaw on them (It's a side dish, not a condiment!),

Good news is that they ask you before they put slaw on it whether you want it or not. So, I'll up the ante. Two barbeque sandwiches (sans slaw), the beer, the pretzel, the pecans, AND a sausage, peppers, and onions sandwich for my man Bobby.

Quoting US330 (Reply 23):
That said, Hull is very close with Modano, and there have been constant rumors of the desire to acquire a scoring winger to play with Mike. CNNSI's Allan Muir mentioned Vaclav Prospal as a possibility, and Montreal's Michael Ryder has also been thrown around a bit.
I could easily see the Stars trading one of their veteran defenseman (Robidas, Boucher, Norstrom), forwards (Halpern or Barnes, Winchester), or younger players whose development has stalled (Daley or Eriksson) .

Hrm - if the Canes fall far enough out of the SE conference race I could see us putting Ray Whitney up on a rental basis. Granted I hope it doesn't get to that level, but...yeesh.

The other problem the 'Canes have, IMO is goaltending. We didn't want to shell out the money to keep Gerber here after we won the Cup and I think rushed Cam Ward's development just a tad. I think he could have stood platooning with Gerber for a season or two so that all the burden wasn't square on his shoulders. Right now we've got Michael Leighton signed on a two-way contract and we also have John Grahame. Grahame's as good as gone given that we sent him down to Albany in favor of Leighton and I don't quite think Leighton is what we're looking for either. Anybody know a solid back-up (not 1B, but backup) who might be moved at the deadline?
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RE: NHL Trade Deadline Nearing!

Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:43 pm



Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 27):
I envision Wellwood having a career defined by mediocrity and eventually fading away into the night.

When i think of Wellwood, i think of Segei Berzin. They both had talent and some speed but had a shit attitude tot he job. Wellwood has no heart and Berezin had an alcohol issue.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 27):
Or is there another round of meetings this month because of the trade deadline?

looks like they are heading for some sun this month


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Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:33 pm



Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):
I don't see how a Vezina trophy winner can be considered the Achilles heel

Remember Jim carey???

Exactly!
 
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:41 pm



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 29):
Good news is that they ask you before they put slaw on it whether you want it or not. So, I'll up the ante. Two barbeque sandwiches (sans slaw), the beer, the pretzel, the pecans, AND a sausage, peppers, and onions sandwich for my man Bobby.

If I were in Don Waddell's shoes, I'd say throw in a bag of pucks and we've got a deal. Holik's name has popped up in some trade rumors. I've heard Holik to the Habs for Ryder and a pick. I've also heard the Devils are interested in bringing him back as well. Thank goodness he becomes a UFA at the end of the season.
 
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:53 pm



Quoting JFK69 (Reply 31):

Remember Jim carey???

Carey never won the Clancy trophy as a leader. Also, injuries had a big part to do with the end of his career.
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Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:35 am

Well things got a bit more interesting for the Hurricanes tonight as team captain Rod Brind'Amour suffered a torn ACL early in the first period that will require reconstructive knee surgery, sidelining him for the rest of the season. At present the 'Canes injured roster reads something like this:

Rod Brind'Amour - Torn ACL, out 4-6 months
Justin Williams - Torn ACL & MCL, out until playoffs
Chad LaRose - Broken leg, out indefinitely
Matt Cullen - Vision problems
David Tanabe - Concussion, out indefinitely
Bret Hedican - Lower body injury, day-to-day
Patrick Eaves - Shoulder & Neck, day-to-day
Dennis Seidenberg - Ankle, day-to-day
Joe Corvo - Flu
Tim Gleason - Flu

If the team looks to be serious about a playoff run or competing just to win the SE Division, it looks like a trade may have to come OR marginally producing players (Jeff Hamilton, for instance) will really have to step up their play.
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Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:29 pm



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 34):
If the team looks to be serious about a playoff run or competing just to win the SE Division, it looks like a trade may have to come OR marginally producing players (Jeff Hamilton, for instance) will really have to step up their play.

Without Brindy, the 'Canes may have just gone from buyers to sellers (Personally, stick a fork in them, they're done.). It also may have changed some potential movers as well. The Thrashers may not try to deal Hossa as they may only be fighting it out with the Caps for the Division (Hossa was quoted in an article in the AJC that the chances of him re-signing before the Trade Deadline are slim.). It really could go either way, but I think if the right assets are offered (decent players not picks) and their contracts fit (That part may not be a huge issue, as I'm sure there are some players that will not be re-signed, and there really aren't any massive contracts on the roster other than Kovalchuk.), Hossa may have played his last home game for the Thrashers. If we could get some decent assets (A decent center, some blueline help [The Klee signing is looking worse and worse.], and maybe another forward), we'd definitely have a shot at the division title. Washington is pretty much riding on Ovechkin and there's no telling how much further he can carry the team on his shoulders (Same can be said in regards to Kovalchuk as well. This season has shown a new side of Ilya, a side that shows him blossoming as a leader and the potential of being a Captain.).
 
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Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:33 pm

Well, the past few days have cooled off what could have been some very itnerestring trade movements - to recap:

Mats Sundin announced he will not waive his no trade clause, and Tomas Kaberle, Pavel Kubina, and Darcy Tucker followed suit. Bryan McCabe meanwhile indicated he'd be willing to waive his if the right scenario emerged.

Flames GM Darryl Sutter indicated he would not trade Alex Tanguay

After first announcing he wouldn't return and then leaving the door open to a return, Peter Forsberg signed a one-year deal to play for the Colorado Avalanche

Brad Richards has given the Tampa Bay Lightning a list of teams he'd be willing to waive his no trade clause for and will ultimately have the final veto

So with tomorrow being the trade deadline there are still some names in the mix - Hossa for instance, along with Richards, but the puzzling thing is the almost en masse declaration from the Leafs old guard that they will not waive their NTCs. What say you all? Personally I'm of the mind that Sundin made a bad move. As team captain you're supposed to put the needs of the team above your own and there's no doubt that the Leafs could have benefitted greatly from the prospects, picks, and younger roster players that he could have garnered. Beyond that, Sundin could always have returned to Toronto as a free agent this summer. I can appreciate Sundin wanting to be "true blue," but when your potentailly temporary departure could yield you the ability to to lead an even better team in the following season, wouldn't you have to be just a bit selfish to deny your teammates that opportunity?
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Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:47 pm

Richards is probably the biggest name and contract I see moving. Only a few teams will be able to offer anything and I think Goaltending is the major issue that TB has to address. Watch him to possibly go to Dallas for deal that involves Mike Smith.
 
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Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:04 am

If Marian Hossa is not traded, I would be surprised. A few days ago, Don Waddell sat down with Hossa on Friday for a one on one discussion and Hossa told him in no uncertain terms that he would not be re-signing with the Thrashers prior to July 1 (He previously said he would not sign a new deal prior to the Trade Deadline.)

Thrashers: No extension for Hossa

The trade rumor that's getting heavy is Hossa to San Jose for either Patrick Marleau or Jonathan Cheechoo along with Matt Carle and possibly a pick.

There are several other Thrashers rumored to be on the trade block, Holik, Recchi, Hedberg, and Zhitnik.

Hossa not only Thrasher drawing trade interest

I think Holik and Zhitnik could definitely be gone, Hedberg, quite possibly, and Recchi, I hope not.
 
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Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:54 am



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 38):
Hedberg

I wouldn't mind seeing Hedberg wearing the sightless eye next season and backing up Cam Ward. As a Pens fan, I was pissed when we let go of Moose and I'd love to see him wind up on my other favorite team. He'd be a hell of a lot better than John Grahame!
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Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:06 am

The Coyotes and Rangers made a minor deal right before the deadline; Coyotes sending forwards Fredrik Sjostrom and Josh Gratton and G David LeNeveu for F Marcel Hossa and G Al Montoya.
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:30 am

The Tampa-Dallas deal was brewing along time ago. Lightning scouts were regular attendees at the stars games and vice versa as early as two months ago, when the rumor was a turco-st.louis swap.

Oh, and I think the Coyotes got the steal of the day--taking Montoya, NYR's top prospect, for little more than two marginal players and a goalie prospect that had more than enough time to prove his worth
 
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Quoting US330 (Reply 41):
Oh, and I think the Coyotes got the steal of the day--taking Montoya, NYR's top prospect, for little more than two marginal players and a goalie prospect that had more than enough time to prove his worth

The Coyotes picking up llya Bryzgalov from the Ducks in November has been a life saver in goal for the Coyotes, the last couple of years the Coyotes were already making off season plans, this season they are still in the hunt, due to Bryzgalov play in goal.
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:56 am

Great. The Wild just traded a 6th round pick for Chris Simon. I'm a die hard Wild fan, but I REALLY don't want this loser playing for us. He should of been "excused" from the NHL a while ago. Just to much bad history with him.



 
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Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:51 am



Quoting Lobster (Reply 43):
Great. The Wild just traded a 6th round pick for Chris Simon. I'm a die hard Wild fan, but I REALLY don't want this loser playing for us. He should of been "excused" from the NHL a while ago. Just to much bad history with him.

Enjoy the convict......I know as an Isles fan I am glad to see him go.

Quoting JFK69 (Reply 37):
Richards is probably the biggest name and contract I see moving. Only a few teams will be able to offer anything and I think Goaltending is the major issue that TB has to address. Watch him to possibly go to Dallas for deal that involves Mike Smith.

Come on....what do I win for calling this?

Quoting US330 (Reply 41):
Oh, and I think the Coyotes got the steal of the day--taking Montoya, NYR's top prospect, for little more than two marginal players and a goalie prospect that had more than enough time to prove his worth

Montoya is going to be a career backup. Don't get your hopes up with him.
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:46 am



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 39):
I was pissed when we let go of Moose and I'd love to see him wind up on my other favorite team. He'd be a hell of a lot better than John Grahame!

I remember Moose! He was a hell of a goalie!

Srbmod, I saw your posts about Hossa being traded. I guess you know he's heading North. This should be an enteresting conclusion to the regular season. I take it you're a Thrashers fan, and I just checked your team's standing. Oohh, that hurts! I feel your pain bud! The Pens were down there for 3 years straight at least (2002, 2003, and 2005 I believe).
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Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:14 pm



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 45):
I remember Moose! He was a hell of a goalie!

Who got yanked around in Vancouver - the minute he dared suggest he could compete with Dan Cloutier to be the Canucks starter, Crawford put Hedberg into the doghouse.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 45):
Srbmod, I saw your posts about Hossa being traded. I guess you know he's heading North.

Also a Pens fan here. Personally I can't believe we landed Hossa, especially with what we offered. The player I'll miss most of those we gave up was Colby Armstrong - he meshed well with Crosby and he played with an edge. That being said, I think this shows that Shero thinks the Pens can really compete for the Cup this year, as he did a 180 from his earlier stance that he wasn't going to be making any "big moves" and that he was a late entrant in the Hossa sweepstakes.

It'd suck to be a Habs fan right about now - you auction off your starter for a draft pick AND you miss out on Hossa when it had been made to look like he was yours for the taking.
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Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:26 pm



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 46):
I can't believe we landed Hossa

Hossa, Malkin, and a healthy Crosby......the Pens will be one tough team come playoff time.

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Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:07 pm



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 46):
Also a Pens fan here. Personally I can't believe we landed Hossa, especially with what we offered. The player I'll miss most of those we gave up was Colby Armstrong - he meshed well with Crosby and he played with an edge. That being said, I think this shows that Shero thinks the Pens can really compete for the Cup this year, as he did a 180 from his earlier stance that he wasn't going to be making any "big moves" and that he was a late entrant in the Hossa sweepstakes.

It'd suck to be a Habs fan right about now - you auction off your starter for a draft pick AND you miss out on Hossa when it had been made to look like he was yours for the taking.

I was just reading some of the blogs on the Post-Gazette sports page, and there are a number of people who have some serious doubts about this trade. They essentially are saying they cut off their nose to spite their face; the Pens sacraficed way too much for this guy.

I really haven't followed the Pens that much this season. I do have a friend back in Pittsburgh who is just as big of a Pens fan as I am of the Steelers, and he tells me of the success. Do I think the Pens would have been successful without this trade? Absolutely! We're supremely banged-up. Crosby was out with the injury, but that didn't seem to matter. Malkin REALLY stepped it up, as he's not the league leader in points!

On the other hand, Hossa seems to be rather excited to come to the Penguins and to have an opportunity to play next to Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Andre-Fleury, etc. This should be an exciting conclusion to the regular season.

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 47):
Hossa, Malkin, and a healthy Crosby......the Pens will be one tough team come playoff time.

If I may borrow a quote from PG Columnist Smizick about the 2005 Steelers around playoff time: "They're going to be a team that nobody wants to face."
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Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:32 pm



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 48):
I was just reading some of the blogs on the Post-Gazette sports page, and there are a number of people who have some serious doubts about this trade. They essentially are saying they cut off their nose to spite their face; the Pens sacraficed way too much for this guy.

Maybe, maybe not. Off the current roster we gave up Colby Armstrong and Erik Christensen. Armstrong has great chemistry with Crosby and plays with an edge to his game (he's had some big hits against guys like Saku Koivu) but he's criticized that he can be a somewhat dirty player. Christensen is streaky - he can pot a game winning goal one game and be invisible the next. While he is clutch in the shootout, Kris Letang does that just as well while having the added benefit of showing up for every game. We also gave up Angelo Esposito who is currently playing major junior in the QMJHL for the Quebec Remparts. He started out his first year with them doing well but his production in '06-'07 tailed off to the tune of 19 points. Whether it was just a sophomore slump or not remains to be seen, but considering the Penguins depth down center, I'm more surprised we drafted him in the first place then let him go.
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