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Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:22 am

So I've been sitting in the hallway in my apartment for the last 20 minutes or so as we have tornado warnings here in Volusia County. Right now the bulk of the stuff is missing ERAU and the Speedway. The news is saying the Speedway and those there should be okay. The worst of the storm is passing over the New Symrna/Ponce Inlet area. No touchdown yet, though the warning is scheduled to last until 1245 AM.

Here's to hoping another tornado hits Riddle and this time takes out the Lehman Building.  biggrin   wink 
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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:53 am

Well I was just watching the same thing and hope we do not get such disasters as there have been enough accidents with the rain alone. If a tornado is going to come through, please let it go through open land where people do not live. We are already getting plenty of rain, please no tornadoes. Give me a hurricane before a tornado.

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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:09 am



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Thread starter):
Here's to hoping another tornado hits Riddle and this time takes out the Lehman Building.
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Only a fool in the name of an Engineering major or Aero Sci would have a class in there...
 
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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:03 pm



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Thread starter):
Here's to hoping another tornado hits Riddle and this time takes out the Lehman Building.

 rotfl 

I never minded the Lehman building. But the ABC's...no use perpetuating the inevitable there. Big grin

Looks like Cocoa Beach might have suffered the wrath...



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Tornado rips roof off condo building in Cocoa Beach

COCOA BEACH, Fla. (AP) -- Cocoa Beach is cleaning up this morning after a tornado ripped the roof off a two-story condo building.

No injuries were reported.

The National Weather Service says the tornado touched down with 65-mile-an-hour winds yesterday.

The storm also pelted some areas with nickel-sized hail and knocked out service to two weather-radio broadcast towers.

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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:31 pm

Wierd thing is that I heard no rain at all last night. Normally I can hear it coming down if it's a moderate storm or worse.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Thread starter):
Here's to hoping another tornado hits Riddle and this time takes out the Lehman Building.

Nah, the A/B/C/D/W buildings need to go. Besides, the Lehman Building would probably stand up to a tornado - the alphabet buildings would be gone in a heartbeat.

The fewer hexagonal buildings on campus, the better. I have no idea who came up with the idea that they were at all functional, but they must have been high/drunk/stoned at the time.

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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:56 pm



Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
The fewer hexagonal buildings on campus, the better. I have no idea who came up with the idea that they were at all functional, but they must have been high/drunk/stoned at the time.

Imagine the fun those of us who went before you had back in the day when the library was on the first floor of the A building.

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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:08 am



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The National Weather Service says the tornado touched down with 65-mile-an-hour winds yesterday.

Then it wasnt much of a Tornado. Thats an EF-0 according to the Enhanced Fujita Scale that classifies Tornado wind speed.

Here is the Enhanced Fujita Scale wind speeds:

EF-0: 65-85 MPH (Light Damage)
EF-1: 86-110 MPH (Moderate Damage)
EF-2: 111-135 MPH (Considerable Damage)
EF-3: 136-165 MPH (Severe Damage)
EF-4: 166-200 MPH (Devastating Damage)
EF-5: 200 MPH (Incredible Damage)

As you can see you probably dont want to mess with anything stronger than an EF-1. Fortunately most Florida Tornadoes are EF-0/EF-1's but it is not out of the question to have stronger ones.

Here you can compare the Enhanced Fujita Scale with the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale:

Category 1: 74-95 MPH

Examples: Gaston (2004), Jerry (1989), Humberto (2007).

Category 2: 96-110 MPH

Examples: Erin (1995), Juan (2003), Frances (2004)

Category 3: 111-130 MPH

Examples: Alicia (1983), Fran (1996), Jeanne (2004).

Category 4: 131-155 MPH

Examples: Carmen (1974), Charley (2004), Dennis (2005)

Category 5: 156 MPH

Examples: Camille (1969), Gilbert (1988), Hugo (1989), Andrew (1992), Floyd (1999), Ivan (2004), Emily/Katrina/Rita/Wilma (2005)

One of the most interesting things about Hurricanes is that Katrina was only a Cat 3 with 125 MPH sustained winds at landfall. 125 MPH winds are no joke though and will cause extensive damage. Most of Hurricane Katrina's massive damage was due to storm surge and major flooding.

Hurricane Andrew was a Category 5 with 165 MPH winds with considerable higher gusts. Most of Hurricane Andrew's incredible damage was due to winds instead of storm surge or flooding.

While Hurricane Katrina and Hurricane Andrew were both Category 5's at different points, Hurricane Andrew was much stronger at landfall.

I hope the weather is nice for the Daytona 500 this weekend. I will be attending the race as usual.

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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:11 am



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So I've been sitting in the hallway in my apartment for the last 20 minutes or so as we have tornado warnings here in Volusia County. Right now the bulk of the stuff is missing ERAU and the Speedway. The news is saying the Speedway and those there should be okay. The worst of the storm is passing over the New Symrna/Ponce Inlet area. No touchdown yet, though the warning is scheduled to last until 1245 AM.

Be a real man and go outside like my friends and I do when we have Tornado Warnings. We used to chase storms all the time. We have only seen 1 good Tornado and it was from about a mile away. Did your power go off or anything?

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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:55 am



Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 6):
One of the most interesting things about Hurricanes is that Katrina was only a Cat 3 with 125 MPH sustained winds at landfall.

Oh, oh, oh, you mean when it made landfall in Louisiana. When it made landfall first here in South Florida, it only had 80 MPH winds. You need to specify those things.  Wink  Big grin


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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:24 am



Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
Nah, the A/B/C/D/W buildings need to go.



Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 3):
But the ABC's...no use perpetuating the inevitable there

Hehehe. Well a tornado moving southwest to northeast would probably take both sets out anyway, so it would all be good. Even if Lehman withstood a direct hit, the windows would be trashed. And remember, the school servers are in there.

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 7):
Be a real man and go outside like my friends and I do when we have Tornado Warnings. We used to chase storms all the time. We have only seen 1 good Tornado and it was from about a mile away. Did your power go off or anything?

I did for a minute or two- nothing exciting. I could actually see stars and the wind was calm. Problem is you can't see anything when its dark.
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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:25 am



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Oh, oh, oh, you mean when it made landfall in Louisiana. When it made landfall first here in South Florida, it only had 80 MPH winds. You need to specify those things

Sorry! I should of specified it. I was of course regarding to the strongest landfall.

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I did for a minute or two- nothing exciting. I could actually see stars and the wind was calm. Problem is you can't see anything when its dark.

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That sucks. Believe it or not you can sometimes see exciting stuff when its dark. I have seen wall clouds when its dark.

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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:33 am



Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 10):
That sucks. Believe it or not you can sometimes see exciting stuff when its dark. I have seen wall clouds when its dark.

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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:36 am



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Is the Camaro coming with you also?

Yup it sure is. If things go good, this will be the last race I take the Camaro to. I have my eye on a Corvette Z06.

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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:37 am



Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 12):
Yup it sure is. If things go good, this will be the last race I take the Camaro to. I have my eye on a Corvette Z06.

You have my seal of approval and my blessing oh wise one.
 
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:15 am



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You have my seal of approval and my blessing oh wise one.

Thats good. I'm still glad you talked me out of getting the BMW Z3 several years ago.

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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:41 am

Luckily hurricanes curve north when they reach the gulf stream but if one ever hits between Daytona and Melbourne.. ouch

I don't think the constructions in that area are prepared to take the hit of one Cat III and above.


Charley in 04 was a minimal hurricane making landfall in SW florida and when it hit the Orlando area there were trees blown over everywhere and many roofs damaged. Now imagine being hit by a Cat III or above

The forest south of SFB still has some trees that are still bent and all around Orlando I see trees leaning that were never righted. It thinned out the branches of many pines. A stronger hurricane would've probably toppled them.

Central florida is not like s.florida where they keep trees short, here you can have a 100' tall pine right next to a house.
 
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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:49 am

Miamix707, Charley was a Cat 4 with 145 MPH winds at landfall in Southwest Florida. It held Cat 3 strength while it was over Charlotte/Desoto/Hardee County and finally downgraded to a Cat over Polk County. When it moved over Orlando it was a Cat 2 and finally over DAB as a Cat 1.

Either way, It was one Hell of a night.

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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:02 am



Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 16):
Miamix707, Charley was a Cat 4 with 145 MPH winds at landfall in Southwest Florida. It held Cat 3 strength while it was over Charlotte/Desoto/Hardee County and finally downgraded to a Cat over Polk County. When it moved over Orlando it was a Cat 2 and finally over DAB as a Cat 1.

Either way, It was one Hell of a night.

I lived in the deep south part of Hardee that night, and it was one amazing storm. We didn't have power for 3 weeks and gasoline was out within 80 miles of my house.

I'm glad no one was seriously hurt!
 
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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:48 am



Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 16):

Yes, you're right. I wasn't here in Orlando when that happened, luckily. Being w/out power that long must have really sucked. MCO recorded a wind gust of 105 mph, that's Cat II

Orlando might be the safest big city in florida as far as hurricanes go. Last direct hit before that was in 1960.
 
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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:44 am



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 18):
Orlando might be the safest big city in florida as far as hurricanes go. Last direct hit before that was in 1960.

Does JAX get a beatdown often?
 
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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:11 pm



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 15):
Central florida is not like s.florida where they keep trees short, here you can have a 100' tall pine right next to a house.

That's ok, all it takes is a 30' Banyan with shallow roots to take out a house down here anyway.  Wink

(And yes it happens, time and time again.)



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 18):

Orlando might be the safest big city in florida as far as hurricanes go.



Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 19):
Does JAX get a beatdown often?

Don't let the numbers fool you. While perhaps some areas in the state don't get hit as often as others, there's not a single place that's immune to a catastrophic beatdown.
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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:30 pm



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 15):
Luckily hurricanes curve north when they reach the gulf stream but if one ever hits between Daytona and Melbourne.. ouch

Not always, 1995 Hurricane Erin hit near Vero Beach and moved through south Orlando. Check out 2004s' Hurricanes Frances and Jeanne. They hit the gulf stream and came on inland, never curved north. Along with Hurricane Charley, we lost power during all 3 hurricanes, as all 3 hurricanes moved over Oralndo. Never seen so many blue roofs and downed trees. I lost 25 pine trees on our property. At Orlando International, Charley blew away the Galaxy Aviation hangar, and blew away our breakroom at the Continental North Hangar along with severly damaging the terminal roofs.
We drove over to Titusville which did not suffer much during Charley, the people there did not even know Orlando was without power or hit hard. Some believe Disney and the local authorities kept it somewhat quiet to keep the tourists coming. Thanks be our pool was finished the NIGHT before Charley came through.
Usually we do breathe a sigh of relief when they curve north, like the 1999 Hurricane Floyd.
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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:38 pm



Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 1):
please no tornadoes. Give me a hurricane before a tornado.

Not me. Forced to make a choice, I'll take the tornado every time.

A tornado springs up, does it's business, and moves on in a very short amount of time, plus you can tell by the feel of the air that it's tornado weather the minute you walk out your door in the morning and you know to be ready to CYA at a moment's notice. With a hurricane, it's the waiting and the uncertainty that drives me bonkers: Will it hit here or there? Will it gain strength or peter out? Should I evacuate now or wait and see?

With hurricanes, after about the fourth or fifth time of heeding the warnings, boarding everything up and evacuating only to have it not even rain where you were, you become complacent and say "Pfft! I ain't going through this crap again! I'm staying right here until I see some real weather!". I imagine that's exactly what happened to the residents of New Orleans prior to Katrina- Too many cries of "Wolf" with no wolf showing up resulted in a general populace whose reaction was "Yeah...right" instead of "Grab your stuff, we're heading to higher ground!". Unfortunately with Katrina there really was a wolf, and she was hungry.
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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:49 pm



Quoting TSS (Reply 22):
Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 1):
please no tornadoes. Give me a hurricane before a tornado.

Not me. Forced to make a choice, I'll take the tornado every time.

Surprisingly, I'm gonna have to agree with MCOflyer. If a hurricane is producing a certain windspeed, you have an idea of what the worst will bring...with a pretty significant amount of advance notice. (Albeit a few hurricanes have been known to rapidly intensify over a short period before making landfall, but that's been a very small number). A tornado, on the other hand, comes with little or no notice whatsoever...And worst of all, you don't have the slightest clue of what to expect out of it.

In fact, on the night of the thread starter, just a few minutes before, we had our own tornado warning down here...A well-defined hook echo appeared out of a relatively minor cell in almost an instant, and it was headed right up the western side of I95 at about 30mph. Luckily I live farther west in the suburbs about 7 miles north of its latitude at that point, but if the cell was even a few miles west, I'd have been right in the target...with just over four minutes to get my ass to a safe place. That ain't alot of time in my book. And who knows what intensity to expect...It could be a little F0, it could be an F2 like the one that ripped through ERAU, leveling a hangar, destroying dozens of aircraft, and gutted a few apartment buildings at Sutton Place...Or it could be nothing.

The fear of imminent danger that tornadoes bring makes much of an impression in me than the fear of uncertainty that hurricanes bring. But no doubt, we're all different.

(By the way, at worst that cell ended up being a strong F0 or a weak F1, with spotty reports of damage and some power outages.)
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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:31 pm



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I lived in the deep south part of Hardee that night, and it was one amazing storm. We didn't have power for 3 weeks and gasoline was out within 80 miles of my house.

I'm glad no one was seriously hurt!

Wow, That had to be crazy. I left my home in Orlando to help my relatives in Highlands County and rode it out at their house near Highlands Hammock State Park. We were brushed with the eyewall and sustained Hurricane Forced winds for about 45 minutes. It was bad and their was a lot of damage and power being out for 1-2 weeks but nothing like your area had. I am also shocked that nobody was seriously hurt. I went back to my house in Orlando and we didnt have power for a week. Luckily I didnt have any damage.

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Yes, you're right. I wasn't here in Orlando when that happened, luckily. Being w/out power that long must have really sucked. MCO recorded a wind gust of 105 mph, that's Cat II

Orlando might be the safest big city in florida as far as hurricanes go. Last direct hit before that was in 1960.

Dude, It sucked. If I would of been living in Orlando I would of gone to the MCO parking garage to film the storm. I was shocked we didnt have that much looting down here.

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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:09 pm



Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
Nah, the A/B/C/D/W buildings need to go.

Gonna have to agree with you here. Isn't C closed now with the COB now finally open? I can't wait for them to demolish the whole ABC complex. Aren't they supposed to start construction on a new building over the summer as a replacement? I'd look at Riddle's construction plans, but I know better than to go by their "plans."
 
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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:35 pm



Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 25):
Gonna have to agree with you here. Isn't C closed now with the COB now finally open? I can't wait for them to demolish the whole ABC complex. Aren't they supposed to start construction on a new building over the summer as a replacement? I'd look at Riddle's construction plans, but I know better than to go by their "plans."

What they need to do is turn the damn thing into a parking lot...Or a garage. Enough buildings already without matching spaces...or building ON lots for that matter.

That's been a problem since before even I was a student there. Heck, I'm sure Tom in NO had just as hard of a time finding a spot as I did. Big grin

Do they even still allow first-year freshman to park on-campus?
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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:57 pm



Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 26):
Heck, I'm sure Tom in NO had just as hard of a time finding a spot as I did.

Nah, it wasn't too bad back then. The roadway/parking lot extended from the Wright Flyer loop, through the current library, and down to the D,H,G buildings. But it didn't affect me much personally either way.....I lived in what was then Dorm 1 (I think now it's Doolittle), and had a ten-speed. Pretty much nothing was across Clyde Morris except for the IT building, IIRC...and the Student Village was nothing more than a forest of trees.

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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:01 am



Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 26):
Do they even still allow first-year freshman to park on-campus?

You can park no matter what grade youre in, Just now theres a Red/Green/Yellow sticker for students. Red/Green if you live on campus, yellow if off.
 
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RE: Tornado Warnings In Daytona Area

Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:40 am



Quoting CALTECH (Reply 21):
Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 15):
Luckily hurricanes curve north when they reach the gulf stream but if one ever hits between Daytona and Melbourne.. ouch

Not always, 1995 Hurricane Erin hit near Vero Beach and moved through south Orlando

I remember that hurricane, I used to watch the weather channel a lot back then, they used to play some pretty relaxing music


Without looking it up, IIRC that hurricana was minimal, 85mph when it hit Vero, which is more south. About 90% of all hurricanes curve north before or right with the gulf stream when coming from the atlantic. The 2004 hurricanes were down in the caribbean and had curved north and then NE (just like atlantic hurricanes do). They came from down in the caribbean to hit florida . If they hadn't curved N and NE they would've continued NW towards Mexico or Texas.

Taking a guess here but many of the Vero beach constructions are newer and probably built under a stricter code (after Andrew) than those in Brevard and its more inland areas like cocoa w/ many mobile homes and older houses. Had the 04 hurricanes hit near cocoa beach at 145 mph curving NE most of A1A would have been thrashed into a wasteland. Hurricane strength increases exponentially with wind speed, one only a few mph higher, like Andrew and the damage from Melbourne through Daytona would've been catastrophic and over a much larger swath than Andrew.

West florida got extremly lucky that the stronger side of Charley hit around north of Port Charlotten & Punta Gorda which is much less populated and developed than just north or south. The eyewall also shrunk so heavy damage was limited to a very small area.


Jax is probably less likely than Orlando to get hit by tropical storms but (the crazy 04 season aside) they both have been hit by only 1 hurricane directly, during the 1960s.


I'd take living in Florida over tornado alley any day. Those tornado outbreaks are frigging scary. Look what happened only a week ago

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