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Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:15 pm

It seems as if Blu Ray has pulled ahead in the format war. Do you own Blu Ray or HD DVD and what is your feedback in your player? Can Blu Ray and HD DVD co-exist in the market?

I have been waiting for the price to drop before purchasing one, and recently found the Toshiba HDA3 HD DVD player online for $128.88 with no sales tax and free shipping, not to mention it came with The Bourne Identity and 300 as well as a rebate for 5 more HD DVDs by mail. Just received it, the picture quality and sound quality are beautiful!! I would have prefered a Blu Ray player, but I am happy with my ROI.

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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:22 pm



Quoting SAN787 (Thread starter):
Just received it,

$128.88 wasted in my opinion. Regardless how cheap you got it, it will be a dead format in less than five years. They're just selling them cheap so they can get rid of the surplus.

Quoting SAN787 (Thread starter):
I'd prefer a BMW M3, but I'd gladly take a CLK63 AMG for 1/4 the price.

I'm not sure what the purpose of this is, is it an analogy? A CLK63 is surly not 1/4 the cost of an M3.

Either way, I do not own either format. I own a simple Panasonic DVD with up-conversion. I wanted to wait for two reasons. First being the exorbitant price of not only the player itself, but the movies. Second, I didn't want to risk buying a format only for it to be dead in a few years.
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:25 pm

Don't buy it yet.

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Nearly all current Blu-ray players are obsolete: The Blu-ray standard is still evolving. Most models currently available use the original Profile 1.0 standard, while some newer models use Profile 1.1 (which adds the ability to show picture-in-picture commentaries). Later this year, the first Profile 2.0 players--which add the ability to deliver online special features (BD Live)--will become available. Ironically, both of these are designed to bring the Blu-ray standard in line with HD DVD players, which have long been able to deliver these features.

A couple of the most recent Blu-ray players (the combo players from Samsung and LG) can be updated from Profile 1.0 to 1.1 with a downloadable firmware update. But the PlayStation 3 is, supposedly, the only existing Blu-ray player that will be fully upgradeable to Profile 2.0. So if you don't want your Blu-ray player to be obsolete, the PS3 is your only choice until 2.0 models--such as the Panasonic DMP-BD50--hit later this year.

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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:26 pm

I think HD-DVD is the better format, but Blu-ray is the winner already.

HD-DVD might survive as a specialist format on players that can handle both, but even thats unlikely now.
 
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:27 pm



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 1):
Regardless how cheap you got it, it will be a dead format in less than five years. They're just selling them cheap so they can get rid of the surplus

obvious statements! The laser in my bedroom DVD player was going bad, so I needed to invest in a new player regardless and this plays non-HD DVDs as well. IMO, purchasing this for $128.88 was a better investment than purchasing a $400 Blu Ray that will be $200 in another year.
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:30 pm



Quoting SAN787 (Reply 4):
IMO, purchasing this for $128.88 was a better investment than purchasing a $400 Blu Ray that will be $200 in another year.

Or just wait for things to settle down and use a standard DVD player with up-conversion for half the cost of your HD-DVD.
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:37 pm



Quoting SAN787 (Reply 4):
IMO, purchasing this for $128.88 was a better investment than purchasing a $400 Blu Ray that will be $200 in another year.

Give it a few years and I can assure you, your investment will have been so poor you will be eating your words with humble pie for dessert.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:44 pm



Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 6):
Give it a few years and I can assure you, your investment will have been so poor you will be eating your words with humble pie for dessert.

I will be thrilled if this DVD player lasts 3 years! My very first DVD player (a Sony DVPNS700P) is the only one I own that's still kickin! I've had a Panasonic and JVC bite the dust in the meantime. So, if this HD DVD in functional in 3 years, I'll be satisfied. I would feel sorry for the people who jumped on HD DVD when they were $500.



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 5):
standard DVD player with up-conversion

this one up-converts non-HD DVDs too.
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:50 pm



Quoting SAN787 (Reply 7):
So, if this HD DVD in functional in 3 years, I'll be satisfied. I would feel sorry for the people who jumped on HD DVD when they were $500.

I think you missed my point. What I'm getting at is that your investment may sound good now (low price for new generation technology), but in a few years time your investment will work with a format which, as it stands, will be rendered obsolete.
 
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:32 pm

HD-DVD has already lost the war to Blue Ray. The only reason why they haven't officially thrown in the towel yet is that the remaining disks and players would immediately turn into landfill material in that exact moment, so they're merely trying to reduce the cost of giving up by delaying the inevitable until at least part of the existing inventory has been pushed out the door before locking up for good.

As long as people are looking at HD-DVD players as DVD players with HD upscaling ability plus the ability of playing a limited number of currently available HD movies I think it can be okay.
 
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:59 pm



Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 8):
I think you missed my point.

I understand what you are saying. Let me ask you...do you own a DVD? Do you own a DVD player? Why didn't you just wait for the next technology to come out? My point is that HD DVD players days are numbered, meanwhile I still have a shelf full of DVDs that will up-convert on this player. This product has hit a price floor before it becomes obsolete, but still makes for a presumed great quality piece of equipment for its nominal price.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 1):
Quoting SAN787 (Thread starter):
I'd prefer a BMW M3, but I'd gladly take a CLK63 AMG for 1/4 the price.

I'm not sure what the purpose of this is, is it an analogy? A CLK63 is surly not 1/4 the cost of an M3.

 duck  Yes, if I were shopping for an M3 ($70,000 USD) and I could get a CLK63 with similar performance and satisfaction for $20,000...you can believe I'll pay 1/4 the price for a comparable product.


***back to the root of the discussion***
Do any of you own Blu Ray or HD DVD players, and what has been your experience with it?
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:02 pm

I don't have one yet. I'm in no hurry either. When they are down to the price regular dvd players are at now then I'll get one. I also think we'll likely see players compatible with both formats. Much like DVD drives for your computer can handle DVDR+ or DVDR-.
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:16 pm



Quoting Indy (Reply 11):
I don't have one yet. I'm in no hurry either. When they are down to the price regular dvd players are at now then I'll get one. I also think we'll likely see players compatible with both formats

Dual format players are currently available...around $800 retail. And Indy, just because you will know...mine came from hhgregg on 96th St.
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:20 pm



Quoting SAN787 (Reply 10):
Do any of you own Blu Ray or HD DVD players, and what has been your experience with it?

I have a PS3 and Blu Ray is awesome on my 57" 1080p HDTV. While upconverted DVDs looks great, there is just no comparing it to BluRay IMO. It's difficult to watch a non-BR movie now  Smile I have no experience with HD DVD, sorry.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:22 pm



Quoting SAN787 (Reply 12):
Dual format players are currently available...around $800 retail. And Indy, just because you will know...mine came from hhgregg on 96th St.

$800? Dang! I guess I'll be waiting a while. How is the store on 96th st? I can use a trip to check the place out as an excuse to stop by Trader Joes.
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:36 pm



Quoting Indy (Reply 14):
How is the store on 96th st? I can use a trip to check the place out as an excuse to stop by Trader Joes.

It's huge, if you've never seen it. It opened in late 2000, and was where I worked thru high school and college. However, I ordered it on their website, but all shipments come from this location. Check it out! Oh, and I live for TJs too!!
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:39 pm

Just to add, I don't think there is anything wrong with your purchase, great buy! $128 is chump-change for the extra benefit of higher quality viewing/enjoyment, NOW! (not years down the road). Even if HD DVD were to "lose" in a year or so, your HD DVDs will still play on your HD DVD player. It's not like all-of-a-sudden BR wins and your players stops working  Smile
 
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:45 pm

The price you paid is a bit of a rip-off for a born-dead technology... but since you had a hundred something bucks burning a hole in your wallet... Big grin

I was waiting to see what format would be embraced by Paramount since I'm into collecting StarTrek series, and for a long time it seemed they'd decided for the HD...but now it's BlueRay for sure. The PS3 is a huge influence also.

But don't worry it'll be fun when you show people in the future a defunct format at work, just like a friend of mine who's got a fully functional Betamax player with loads (ok, like 12) movies. He loves showing it off as some sort of archeological prize.
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:50 pm



Quoting SBBRTech (Reply 17):
friend of mine who's got a fully functional Betamax player with loads (ok, like 12) movies. He loves showing it off as some sort of archeological prize.

LOL, I once used one as a buoy anchor  Silly
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:57 pm



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 18):
LOL, I once used one as a buoy anchor

How many guys did it take to carry that thing out to the boat  Big grin


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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:58 pm



Quoting Mikephotos (Reply 16):
Just to add, I don't think there is anything wrong with your purchase, great buy! $128 is chump-change for the extra benefit of higher quality viewing/enjoyment, NOW! (not years down the road). Even if HD DVD were to "lose" in a year or so, your HD DVDs will still play on your HD DVD player. It's not like all-of-a-sudden BR wins and your players stops working

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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:58 am



Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 3):
I think HD-DVD is the better format, but Blu-ray is the winner already.

Blu-Ray is the better format in a technical sense. HD-DVD is cheaper to produce.

Quoting Mikephotos (Reply 13):
It's difficult to watch a non-BR movie now Smile I have no experience with HD DVD, sorry.

The untrained eye wouldn't pick the difference.

Quoting SBBRTech (Reply 17):
The PS3 is a huge influence also.

Microsoft killed HD-DVD by not including it in the Xbox 360. If they had done that, the proliferation of HD-DVD players would be double that of Blu-Ray which has been helped along by the Playstation 3. Who wants to buy a HD-DVD add on?
 
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:42 am



Quoting SAN787 (Reply 10):
I understand what you are saying. Let me ask you...do you own a DVD? Do you own a DVD player?

Yes I own a DVD player, and no I don't own a Blu-Ray and/or HD-DVD player. Main reason being that I'm waiting to see which format is the clear winner/prices to go down before investing...and as it stands Blu-Ray is going to be the winner.
 
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:00 pm



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 1):
I own a simple Panasonic DVD with up-conversion.



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 1):
$128.88 wasted in my opinion.



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 5):
Or just wait for things to settle down and use a standard DVD player with up-conversion for half the cost of your HD-DVD.

Sorry, you're dead wrong. SAN787 spent $ 129 on a HD DVD player and received a movie + discount on some other movies. FYI, HD-DVD players can be used as upconverting DVD players too, so it can do the same job as your player + play HD DVD movies. How much did you spend on your upconverting player?
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:58 pm

Was it so that most of the major movie producers decided to go for Blu-Ray??? I can remember reading something like this. Also if I'm not mistaken the current HD-DVD has a better quality than the current Blu-Ray.

Somehow reminds me the Betamax VHS fight back in the day. Also if I'm not mistaken the Betamax had superior quality over the VHS.
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:20 pm



Quoting DABZF (Reply 24):
Was it so that most of the major movie producers decided to go for Blu-Ray???

Indeed. A few were recently bribed to switch to HD-DVD exclusively (they had offered both formats before), but after that some more switched over to BlueRay exclusively which basically sealed the fate of HD-DVD, so the paid-off "switchers" have maneuvered themselves into a tight spot, unfortunately...!  mischievous 

Quoting DABZF (Reply 24):
Also if I'm not mistaken the current HD-DVD has a better quality than the current Blu-Ray.

No, both formats currently use the same encoding; HD-DVD is just cheaper to produce and it already has a few additional features which the BlueRay side has announced just recently. HD-DVD had no region codes which BlueRay unfortunately supports.

With BlueRay's much higher capacity it is likely that at least collections of movies or TV series could be packaged more efficiently or that movies could offer more extras (extended or alternate versions etc.). Of course we'll have to see whether those opportunities will actually be exploited.
 
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:15 pm

I've got a PS3 and the video output of Blu Ray is nothing short of stunning, though it can vary depending on the film. Just as an example Casino Royale is the best picture quality I've seen on my HD TV but Deja Vu isn't that impressive. I was tempted to get HD-DVD player a little while ago as they are quite cheap at the moment and I wanted Transformers in HD but the writing is on the wall for HD-DVD with the recent studio defections to Blu Ray.

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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:21 pm



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 21):
The untrained eye wouldn't pick the difference.

On a smaller screen (under 40") I'd agree. On my 57" or similar/larger TVs you'd have to be an idiot if you couldn't see the difference. My 2 year old daughter is already asking for Barney & Dora on Blu Ray  Smile

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 23):
Sorry, you're dead wrong. SAN787 spent $ 129 on a HD DVD player and received a movie + discount on some other movies. FYI, HD-DVD players can be used as upconverting DVD players too, so it can do the same job as your player + play HD DVD movies. How much did you spend on your upconverting player?

Even if he got a decent deal and paid only $50 for that upconverting SD DVD player, that would mean SAN787 spent an extra $79 to get HD DVD added on as a bonus, not the mention the other free/discount goodies. Again, not a bad deal IMO if he was in need of a new player anyway.
 
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:45 pm



Quoting Mikephotos (Reply 27):
On my 57" or similar/larger TVs you'd have to be an idiot if you couldn't see the difference.

Absolutely. There is a very well visible difference in picture quality between upconverted DVD's and movies from the Movie Network HD (i don't have a Blu-ray or HD DVD player yet) even on my 42" LCD.
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:54 pm



Quoting Mikephotos (Reply 13):
have a PS3 and Blu Ray is awesome on my 57" 1080p HDTV. While upconverted DVDs looks great, there is just no comparing it to BluRay IMO. It's difficult to watch a non-BR movie now I have no experience with HD DVD, sorry.

I have to say I agree with Mike verbatim as I have the same set up.

I was "waiting" like you too until we won a collection of 36 Blu Rays discs! And I thought, heck, why not spend a bit, quit waiting and pay some videogames every once in a while. I now have a Blu Ray Player, video game system, photo server, music server and video player all in one machine.

Quoting Mikephotos (Reply 16):
Just to add, I don't think there is anything wrong with your purchase, great buy! $128 is chump-change for the extra benefit of higher quality viewing/enjoyment, NOW! (not years down the road

Agreed 100% as well. You done well. For $128 here, it would buy us maybe 6 trips to the local movie theater to deal with inconsiderate chatty and noisy neighbors. Its chump change as Mike said. So what if HD DVD is not THE format? Enjoy it.

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 26):
Just as an example Casino Royale is the best picture quality I've seen on my HD

I remember that my first DVD movie seens was GONE IN 60 SECONDS and it blew me away on DVD. It's also one of the Blu Ray movies we won, so I can't wait to see how it looks on Blu Ray!
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:10 pm



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 21):
Microsoft killed HD-DVD by not including it in the Xbox 360. If they had done that, the proliferation of HD-DVD players would be double that of Blu-Ray which has been helped along by the Playstation 3

I agree. With the X360's head start against the PS3 the HD format would have spread beyond any pro-BlueRay campaign...but now it' s too late. So let's keep saving up for that sleazy BR player we all gonna get next Xmas. Big grin
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:48 pm



Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 29):
I was "waiting" like you too until we won a collection of 36 Blu Rays discs! And I thought, heck, why not spend a bit, quit waiting and pay some videogames every once in a while. I now have a Blu Ray Player, video game system, photo server, music server and video player all in one machine.

Even without the ability to play games, the PS3 is awesome...I love it too. If you're looking to buy a BR player now, the PS3 is probably the best choice since it's upgradeble to future profiles. Just fininshed Uncharted, now onto R&C  Smile

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 29):
Agreed 100% as well. You done well. For $128 here, it would buy us maybe 6 trips to the local movie theater to deal with inconsiderate chatty and noisy neighbors. Its chump change as Mike said. So what if HD DVD is not THE format? Enjoy it.

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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:56 pm

That HD DVD player you bought for 129.99 is only good for 1080i not 1080p just look at Toshiba's web site for full details on that machine. The one that does 1080p is about 199.99. Yes its a good deal as a DVD player replacement but Blu-Ray wins hands down. With Warner Brothers going exclusive to Blu-Ray it only leaves Universal to keep and maintain its HD DVD exclusive rites.
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:55 pm



Quoting AC777LR (Reply 32):
only good for 1080i

Works for me, both of my flat panels are 1080i. That was the only difference between the HDA3 and HDA30 if I recall correctly.
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:23 pm



Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 3):
I think HD-DVD is the better format

I have to question why you say that?
It is smaller capacity and uses older technology (although picture quality is indescernable for most). Basically the only thing that was better about HD-DVD was that it was initially cheaper to produce. Once the volumes came along Blu-Ray was able to be produced at almost a low a price and now that HD-DVD is all but dead Blu-Ray will start to get bigger production volume price drops.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 21):
Microsoft killed HD-DVD by not including it in the Xbox 360. If they had done that, the proliferation of HD-DVD players would be double that of Blu-Ray which has been helped along by the Playstation 3. Who wants to buy a HD-DVD add on?

Yes and No.
Xbox 360 was around before HD-DVD was readily available. So at best if MS had included it with newer XB360 it would only be about half of them. In otherwords (once you had the price on to the XB and adjust down the numbers sold as a consequence due to the not so cheap price anymore) it would have perhaps sold similar amounts to the PS3... and yes that would have kept the HD war going for longer in stalemate. However Blu-ray standalone players have been selling 2:1 over HD-DVD particularly over the past year.
Once Blu-Ray had a sales lead in players/consols it was always going to be the winner considering most of the movie studios backed it and of course now WB has embraced it.
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:30 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 25):
HD-DVD had no region codes which BlueRay unfortunately supports.

I hate this..............DVD free players have been around for ages, the same will happen with blu-ray, whats the point?

This restricts PS3 owners bascially to playing their region only.

I think region encoding should be illegal.
 
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:46 pm



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 34):

Yes and No.
Xbox 360 was around before HD-DVD was readily available

Yes - but it was close to be being finished. MS decided that launching the XBOX360 sooner was more beneficial than to wait for HD-DVD - this to get a leg up on Sony's PS3.

Good decision? Bad decision? i don't know..

Sony delayed the PS3 because of blu-ray. Sony had the added incentive that they have a huge stake in Blu-Ray (unlike MS with HD-DVD).

Would the XBOX360 had benefited from additional storage using HD-DVD for its games? Again i dont know - but its too late for them now. Until the next XBOX comes out.. Maybe that one will include a Blu-Ray player.

Sony's strategy has taken a while to catch on - but you can deny that it seems like a good one!
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Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:56 am

How big a say is the porn industry going to have in this war? They were the ones that ended the VHS v Beta Max war

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 36):
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 34):

Yes and No.
Xbox 360 was around before HD-DVD was readily available

Yes - but it was close to be being finished.

This again proves to me that the Xbox 360 was rushed to market before a lot of it reliability issues were worked out. But that's another thread.
 
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Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:10 pm

Sound like HD-DVD will be officially dead soon

"Toshiba is widely expected to pull the plug on its HD DVD format sometime in the coming weeks, reliable industry sources say, after a rash of retail defections that followed Warner Home Video's announcement in early January that it would support only the rival Blu-ray Disc format after May."

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Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:33 pm

Toshiba to drop HD DVD, sources say

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The format war has turned into a format death watch.

Toshiba is widely expected to pull the plug on its HD DVD format sometime in the coming weeks, reliable industry sources say, after a rash of retail defections that followed Warner Home Video's announcement in early January that it would support only the rival Blu-ray Disc format after May.

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Toshiba had been pitching its discounted HD DVD players toward the standard DVD crowd as well as high-def enthusiasts, noting in its ad message that the new players would make DVDs look a lot better as well. And as a last-ditch effort, the company ran an ad during the Super Bowl -- a 30-second spot that reportedly cost $2.7 million.

But in the end, sources say, the substantial loss Toshiba is incurring with each HD DVD player sold -- a figure sources say could be as high as several hundred dollars -- coupled with a series of high-profile retail defections has driven the company to at last concede defeat.

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Microsoft is the other big player in the HD DVD equation. Last fall when Paramount Home Entertainment announced it was dropping its dual-format strategy and would release titles only in HD DVD, giving that side a brief resurgence, a pitch to journalists for interviews came from a Microsoft email address.

Now that last part is a bit interesting as to the internal workings of the HD-DVD camp...!  mischievous 
 
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:35 pm



Quoting DABZF (Reply 24):
Somehow reminds me the Betamax VHS fight back in the day. Also if I'm not mistaken the Betamax had superior quality over the VHS.

Betamax was the superior format this is why profesional video tape cameras, like the ones used by TV news field crews have them, the problem there was that Sony botched the marketing for it's format and JVC seized the oportunity and that is why VHS became the standard.

I remember reading somewhere that in order to avoid a repeat of the Betamax vs VHS war when developing the DVD replacement format, manufacturers and content producers had gottent toghether to develop the next format but that during development and negotiations one group broke away and developed it's own format, thus making one "official" replacement format and a challenger one......I don't remeber if is was either BR or HD the callenger or official, does anyone know?
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:50 pm

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9873029-7.html

Stick a fork in HD-DVD... pity.

Walmart went Blu, any bets on when the plug will be officially pulled?
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Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:08 pm

OK, consider this the idiot post......what the hell is Blu Ray and what's the difference between that and HD DVD?
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:09 pm

Toshiba HDA-3 HD DVD player down to $119.99 w/ no tax and free shipping at www.hhgregg.com

let's play limbo and see how low it can go...
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:16 pm



Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 42):
OK, consider this the idiot post......what the hell is Blu Ray and what's the difference between that and HD DVD?

Nothing to do with idiocy...!

Here you go:

Blu-ray Disc - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:30 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 44):
Nothing to do with idiocy...!

Here you go:

Thanks!!
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:09 am

Many HD DVDs are now Buy 1 Get 1 Free at Best Buy.
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Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:04 am

The other big failure in video discs: Does anyone remember the LaserDisc?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laserdisc

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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:05 am



Quoting Tugger (Reply 47):
LaserDisc

haha...good call, i forgot all about those monsters!!
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RE: Blu Ray & HD DVD...Preferences

Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:01 pm

Hmmm just recently I transferred from VCD to DVD, now with all this I won't be switching any time soon because of the prices and the cost of one movie. Initially I couldn't tell the difference between the VCD and the DVD but now that I have I cant ever go back to VCD but luckily the DVD prices have dropped

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