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I Am Sick Of The Chinese Crap

Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:23 am

I for one am getting damn sick and tired of the Chinese crap infiltrating this country. Actually I am sick of our country allowing it to happen. From lead paint in the crap toys then the thousands of animals killed from the poisoned Chinese crap pet food now the multi million dollar drug industry can't do business without going to china to get cheap crap so they can pad their bottom line...I have to laugh when the Bush administration got their panties in a wad because seniors were going to Canada to get cheaper prescription drugs all the while the US drug manufactures are going to china on the cheap.

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Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:35 am

Welcome to capitalism. I'll fully admit to being part of the problem shopping at places like Wal-Mart. God knows stuff from China is cheaper, and while it'd be nice to see jobs being kept in country (or continent), I'm not likely to pay up for those products. I do agree though that there should be tougher testing of products coming from China to ensure that they're safe.
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:11 am

Stop buying the "Chinese crap" and they will stop importing it.
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:25 am



Quoting Stratosphere (Thread starter):
I for one am getting damn sick and tired of the Chinese crap infiltrating this country. Actually I am sick of our country allowing it to happen. From lead paint in the crap toys then the thousands of animals killed from the poisoned Chinese crap pet food now the multi million dollar drug industry can't do business without going to china to get cheap crap so they can pad their bottom line...I have to laugh when the Bush administration got their panties in a wad because seniors were going to Canada to get cheaper prescription drugs all the while the US drug manufactures are going to china on the cheap.

Welcome to the club dude, we have jackets.

That is why I no longer shop at Wally-World. That, and their employees creep me out.
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:34 am

As a consumer you need to decide if you want cheap goods or quality.Your country administration will need to listen.
India may not be as financially sufficient as most nations,but Chinese goods have got a typical reputation out here of inferior & not long lasting & gradually a choice is being made by citizens.

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Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:20 pm

The Chinese government has announced a while ago that they are going to start improving the quality of their exports, and they hope to restore confidence in their products. However, I don't think that any country would stop importing Chinese goods because they are so cheap and stopping these goods will mean a much higher price and it can't balance out the supply and demand.

Some countries have subsidiaries for home grown products but those are usually exported and there is no way they can fulfill the demand. The few things countries can do is pressure the Chinese to improve quality, trust them that they are improving, or do rigorous tests (although this might have a negative effect on the consumers).
 
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:16 pm



Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 1):
Welcome to capitalism.

Welcome to the "greed is good" world, more likely. When toys may cost more than $1.50 again and corporations aren't killed anymore for making less than a 10% bottom line, "Made in China" will become less wide-spread. But as long as the only thing that counts is quarterly profits, that won't happen.
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:30 pm



Quoting Stratosphere (Thread starter):
Chinese crap infiltrating this country

Japanese electronic were once called "crap", Toyota cars were "death traps".. how times change!

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 2):
Stop buying the "Chinese crap" and they will stop importing it.



Quoting Stratosphere (Thread starter):
can't do business without going to china to get cheap crap so they can pad their bottom line

So its not the fault of the Chinese. It the corporation's fault. The same corporation whose stock you own, the same corporation whose dividends you collect...
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:31 pm



Quoting Stratosphere (Thread starter):
I Am Sick Of The Chinese Crap

You also had #49 last night?
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:38 pm

Quoting Stratosphere (Thread starter):

If drug companies *actually* had to pay all those taxes and regulations, if no tax havens and tax loopholes existed, no one would be able to afford drugs. And that includes governments because they don't have a bottom-less pocket, either. Point is: you have no one but yourself to blame. You are repelling these companies away.

When I say you, I mean your politicians. The ones you probably vote for.

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Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:40 pm



Quoting Aloges (Reply 6):

Welcome to the "greed is good" world, more likely. When toys may cost more than $1.50 again and corporations aren't killed anymore for making less than a 10% bottom line, "Made in China" will become less wide-spread. But as long as the only thing that counts is quarterly profits, that won't happen.

You've gotta blame the people who buy the cheap crap not the companies. The companies do one thing: they serve people what they want. The quartely profits will come whether it's $1.50 or $100.
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:50 pm



Quoting Stratosphere (Thread starter):


I for one am getting damn sick and tired of the Chinese crap infiltrating this country. Actually I am sick of our country allowing it to happen. From lead paint in the crap toys then the thousands of animals killed from the poisoned Chinese crap pet food now the multi million dollar drug industry can't do business without going to china to get cheap crap so they can pad their bottom line...I have to laugh when the Bush administration got their panties in a wad because seniors were going to Canada to get cheaper prescription drugs all the while the US drug manufactures are going to china on the cheap.

A woman decided to live an entire year without Chinese-made goods and she wrote a book about it: A Year Without "Made in China." http://www.newsweek.com/id/61501 To summarize...the positive was that she really had to think hard about buying quality goods, but the downside of course is the high costs.
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:05 pm



Quoting PPVRA (Reply 10):
You've gotta blame the people who buy the cheap crap not the companies.

I'm blaming greedy shareholders, mostly. I don't think that A) corporations outsourcing to China pass all the savings on to their customers and that B) everyone really wants to go there, but some have to because shareholders expect unethical profit margins. A and B are of course closely related.
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:08 pm



Quoting Aloges (Reply 12):

Fair enough. Pressure to reduce costs shouldn't cross ethical boundaries.
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:25 pm

Me too ! I bought a new pair of Georgia boots last weekend ... MADE IN China .

I took them back. I love China ! I have no problem with the Chinese people , I just have a problem with everything being made their and marketed as American product.

My old pair of boots (Georgia) were not made in China , so they have changed in the past 5 years.
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:37 pm



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
You also had #49 last night?

You should have ordered #32 instead.


Quoting AGM100 (Reply 14):
just have a problem with everything being made their and marketed as American product.

I'm wonder if Lou Dobbs has a problem with this.

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Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:54 pm

What pisses me off are the corporations using dirt cheap labour in China but then keeping the prices for their products the same as they were before.

It's one thing if a company moves production to China and then slashes prices for the consumer, but it's something else when a company moves to China and keeps prices the same or even higher.

Roots is a good example. For years they were all about the "We're 100% Canadian!" and it was true, even their socks and T-shirts were made in Canada and they were good quality. But now they've sold out, their stuff is shite, and still just a expensive as when it was made in Canada.
 
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:06 pm

The main point is that the "People's Republic of China" now resembles England of around 1850.
There exists a huge mass of lumpenproletariat migrant workers, who are forced to work for peanuts (or to starve) and no rights at all.
I seriosly think that the Chinese government deliberately refuses to develop the areas away from the rich coastal provinces to keep a ready supply of cheap labour (and China btw. receives development aid from e.g. Germany).
China is one of the few countries, where the factory boss can be at the same time head of the trade union and who can call armed thugs, police or military if his workers make demands.
The same boss is also proteced by his government (with which he often is related) from the enforcement of intellectual property laws.

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Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:13 pm



Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 16):
Roots is a good example.

Nice reasoning from them, too:

Quote:
The sad reality today is that there are fewer available suppliers in Canada, and certain products can no longer be made in Canada. It’s a shame that free trade, globalization and the saturation of the Canadian market by major US and European companies manufacturing overseas have made this situation worse. The result: the technical capacity simply no longer exists in Canada to make certain categories of merchandise (i.e. luggage and backpacks).

So you are to understand that a company with "estimated sales of about $300 million in 2003" (wikipedia only, but they sure aren't small) cannot provide suppliers with enough orders to keep operating. Right, and Santa Claus will soon ask for Peking Duck.  sarcastic 
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:14 pm



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 17):
There exists a huge mass of lumpenproletariat migrant workers, who are forced to work for peanuts (or to starve) and no rights at all.

isn't thats because its a communist state.
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:05 pm



Quoting Aloges (Reply 18):
So you are to understand that a company with "estimated sales of about $300 million in 2003" (wikipedia only, but they sure aren't small) cannot provide suppliers with enough orders to keep operating. Right, and Santa Claus will soon ask for Peking Duck.

That was one of finest examples of PR bullshit I've ever seen. Nice
 
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:06 pm

Hi,

I don't know about the US but I think definitely here there are 2 kinds of Chinese goods. Firstly, I think many Japanese electronics (maybe Korean electronics too?) are made in China (and looking at my Panasonic walkman from 1996 seem to have been made there for quite a long time). There quality is very good. On the other end there's stuff which is just put out really cheap by factories and companies from Europe etc. go shopping to huge trade shows, pick what they want and have the label put on it - again the quality may be excellent or it may not. The there's the real low end 99c store kind of thing.

But X-box's are made in China, Ipods are made in China. I don' think I could last 2 minutes without something made in China!

Also, reading the book by Akio Morita who founded Sony, he describes how after the end of WW2 when they started Japan was famous for making cheap crap too and the reason they started making the company was because they wanted to make something of good quality, to get rid of that image. I don't know if it's natural progression but I wonder if Chinese manufacturing has started to or will start to go through this phase?

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Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:07 pm

Clearly adjustments need to be made to bring the balance back.

The questions are:

How do you stop cheap labor and better human rights for them?
How do restore the middle class standard of living in the US and other nations?
How do you stop dependence of socialist type programs in the US and restore financial independence?
How do upgrade standard of living for workers abroad like China,Mexico,India and South America?
How do restore "Made In USA? and fair competition.
Quality of products?Fair pricing?Health insurance and other benefits?

Answer: Organized labor.Start at the source.China and the like.Here at one time in the US, we had no competitors and could form the unions without any fear of being undermined in pricing.Take the fight to them and organize labor within those nations.

By no means,I'm not anti-corportation,anti-captitialised.But the balance of power has been grossly shifted and abused.And one time,in this nation, unions and corporations did co-exist.Why not start on a global labor level,IMO?
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:10 pm



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 19):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 17):
There exists a huge mass of lumpenproletariat migrant workers, who are forced to work for peanuts (or to starve) and no rights at all.

isn't thats because its a communist state.
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I wouldn't consider China to be communist anymore, they are definitely totalitarian, but economically they are in the phase of what we in Germany call the "Manchester Capitalism" like existed in England during the mid-19th century,exactly the conditions which sparked the communist movement.
China today is communist only in name, since the same people, who are claiming to fight for worker's rights are the main force behind the exploitation.

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Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:20 pm



Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 16):
What pisses me off are the corporations using dirt cheap labour in China but then keeping the prices for their products the same as they were before.

Part of the equation is sometimes that other costs (insurance, raw materials, etc) are rising so in order to mantain pricing (rather than rasing it) they need to cut labor costs... especially in states like CA, one of the only ways to cut labor costs can be, in some cases, to just leave (i.e. move off-shore)
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Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:37 pm



Quoting PSA53 (Reply 22):
Answer: Organized labor.

Yes, sort of. I fully agree with MD11Engineer's reply 23, the only thing that "communist" China has in common with the "dictatorship of the proletariat" is totalitarianism. Those who are in a high enough position in the Chinese CP seem to get away with just about anything. That includes exploitation and outright slave labour*.

So to bring about fair competition and humane living conditions in China, you'd have to force unions on the communist regime... perversion, your name is Beijing.

* just one of many articles: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6759399.stm
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Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 17):
I seriosly think that the Chinese government deliberately refuses to develop the areas away from the rich coastal provinces to keep a ready supply of cheap labour

Absolutely. They're selling their own people.

It's the ugly face of unregulated capitalism we're looking at. Us Western consumers demand cheap goods; doing so we sent our own producing industries to death. The Chinese governments fuels its growth (and the Communist Party's claim to power) by selling its workers to Western companies and importers. The only people with no choice in the whole cycle are the Chinese workers, who're trying to make a living. Ironically, those people are who we get angry at.

In the process, the Chinese economy grows to immense proportions without any improvement in civil rights and representation. Knowledge and capital flow to China and out of the control of any accoutable or democratic power. In a few years time, China will control the terms of trade; and devoid of our technological advantage and our capital, the West will have to search for a new role on the world market.

Meanwhile, hardliners in America ponder the question whether "China could take on the US in war". Rarely has a more irrevelant question been given so thorough consideration..  Yeah sure
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Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:43 am



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 2):
Stop buying the "Chinese crap" and they will stop importing it.

First of all its not just that easy because many things come from there.

And then well just open in like Cambodia or Vietnam and this will happen there.
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Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:22 pm



Quoting KhelmDTW (Reply 3):
That is why I no longer shop at Wally-World. That, and their employees creep me out.

It's not the employees so much as the customers. The wally world I buy bullets at is in a decent part of town and it is STILL a freak show, even at 9am on a Wednesday.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
You also had #49 last night?

I can't even eat Chinese food. MSG makes me want to die and I never met anything on the menu at one of those places worth a 4 hour headache that drugs can't seem to touch.
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Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:46 pm

I too have had enough of cheap crap, particularly kids toys. My son's are not too tough on their toys, but if there is a new deposit in the "Daddy's fit-it shop" corner in the kitchen for me to repair, chances are it's from Mao's backyard. And usually, the repaired part lasts longer than the original part.

This is why I give grief to my wife about her shopping habits:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/view/
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Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:18 pm



Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 16):
Roots is a good example. For years they were all about the "We're 100% Canadian!" and it was true, even their socks and T-shirts were made in Canada and they were good quality. But now they've sold out, their stuff is shite, and still just a expensive as when it was made in Canada.

Go to Tilley. Mind you, they are very expensive, but everything is made at their Don Mills store/factory.
I agree with you, I used to really like Roots, but as you said, they are expensive even though their stuff is made in China.


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Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:35 pm



Quoting AF340 (Reply 30):
Go to Tilley. Mind you, they are very expensive, but everything is made at their Don Mills store/factory.

What's Tilley? I don't think we have that in Calgary.


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Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:01 am

China is awesome. Do they have "cheap" commodity goods? Yup. Do they also manufacture high quality goods? Absolutely! As I have said before I source and place work in China. Millions of dollars worth every year. Do I save money by doing this vs. here in the USA? Yes, but price is secondary in many instances. I get better customer service and better attention to detail over there than I do from a vendor down the street. Many US firms give lip service to the words "customer service", but my Asian vendors, whether in China, Hong Kong, Korea, Japan, or Vietnam all crush the US in customer service. *shrug* In a number of instances I've even paid more for the product to have it made elsewhere and air freighted in, rather than deal with some schmuck with nothing but excuses as to why my product isn't ready on time, in Hicksville, IN.

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Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 31):
What's Tilley? I don't think we have that in Calgary.

Oh man!

Tilley is a chain store we have in Canada's major cities  Wink and in partner stores all over the world. They sell travel and old man clothing. Some of their stuff is nice looking, but a lot of it looks very stupid. The shops have free coffee, biscuits, internet, and paper shredding, for when you are waiting for the free clothing tailoring. All of their clothing has a lifetime warranty and they will repair or replace anything that becomes worn out. Their most famous piece of clothing is the Tilley Hat, worn by Sir Edmund Hillary, among other famous adventurers.

The Famous Tilley Hat:



Wiki article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilley_Endurables



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Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:08 am

You should have watched 20/20 tonight, it was about China and how they are using human bodies plasticize for the body exhibitions. These bodies could be prisoners executed or killed and their bodies put on display with out consent. The manufacturing out of China has been pissing me off as of late with shady quality, I wish we would stop importing their junk.
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Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:16 am

I work in the medical equipment industry for a GE Healthcare distributor and we are seeing an increase in equipment from China in our market. Recently a rash of new vehicle names have been appearing on our roads.

But if you can't beat them join them... GE Healthcare are now manufacturing in China, Japan, Korea, India, Mexico...
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Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:19 am

I don't know about America but in the UK all the "Made in China" products are not too bad on quality. (Somebody stop me if thats not true). Clarks, the shoe shop, always sold only UK made shoes but now they are all made in China. The quality hasn't suffered too much.

If we didn't buy it, they wouldn't send their stuff over.
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Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:34 am

Funny we should ll bitch and wine about China... We had coming.

We all pretty much support a liberal economic system that defends and encourage a free market and competivity amongst companies. Hell, most of us depend on it!

Such a system naturally tends to have products manufactured in the cheapest way possible, wherever that may be.
Many people tend to believe that the only reason Chinese products are of lesser quality is that they're built by uneducated poor foreigners who don't know any better... But the companies who are all too happy to manufacture those products there and not too regarding of the quality are the ones whose headquarters are in our very own countries.

Now, it's all good to try and defend product made in our own countries, but let's face it, I'm not going to pay 50% more for my DVD player just because it's made in my country.

It's all a self balancing cycle in my opinion: Whenever chinese products become decent in quality, that will probably mean a better, more educated workforce, which, in an economy that grows that fast, will demand higher wages, making those products more expensive to manufacture, and leading manufacturers to look for cheaper places to build it.
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Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:34 pm



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 37):
t's all a self balancing cycle in my opinion: Whenever chinese products become decent in quality, that will probably mean a better, more educated workforce, which, in an economy that grows that fast, will demand higher wages, making those products more expensive to manufacture, and leading manufacturers to look for cheaper places to build it.

I agree. Do not doubt that the Chinese governments know what they are doing. They are fully aware of the backlash that may come from the US. Some books suggest that Latin America will become China's "China" for lack of better words once the cycle gets farther along.
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Quoting Mt99 (Reply 38):
Some books suggest that Latin America will become China's "China" for lack of better words once the cycle gets farther along.

China has been investing heavily into Latin America. I've never understood why the US Govt has been so cavalier towards our southern neighbors. We've paid lip service to helping these people. Only when a govt is elected that the US leaders don't like down there, do we pay any attention to them.

Wouldn't it simply be ironic that after all these decades if the Chinese were actually the ones to reach out to Latin America, invest in it with a long term view, and actually make the average Latin American citizen's life better?  Wow!
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