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Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:06 pm

Let see the person in question was a victim of an assault.
She gets arrested on a disorderly conduct charge a misdemeanor.
Once she is at the jail, she is stripped searched for a misdemeanor, with male officers participating (against the department policy according to the video).
My guess is that the detainee in the case had too much to drink, and based on my experience women under the influence were always a pain in the ass to arrest.
After watching the video, I'm thinking the Stark County Sheriff Department insurance carrier will be writing out a check.

http://hoanewsnetwork.com/media/news...-of-woman-by-sheriffs-deputies.php

[Edited 2008-02-15 10:07:27]
 
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:14 pm



Quoting AirCop (Thread starter):
I'm thinking the Stark County Sheriff Department insurance carrier will be writing out a check.

I was wondering when/if this video would hit NonAv. This incident happened in my own backyard.
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:16 pm



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 1):
I was wondering when/if this video would hit NonAv. This incident happened in my own backyard.

What's the local reaction? From the video, we can't tell what happened to warrant those actions, but I'm sure there is more to the story.
 
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:23 pm

That is very disturbing.
 
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:26 pm



Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 2):
What's the local reaction? From the video, we can't tell what happened to warrant those actions, but I'm sure there is more to the story.

Of course the talking heads have everyone in an uproar but few are stating all the facts.

The lady gave a false ID to the responding cops (her dead sisters)
The lady then became combative
The lady threatened suicide after she was arrested, thus necessitating the strip search
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:33 pm

Part II of the video: http://www.wkyc.com/video/player.aspx?aid=53820&sid=82519&bw=hi&cat=2

What's classic is the ad at the end of the story..

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 4):
The lady gave a false ID to the responding cops (her dead sisters)
The lady then became combative
The lady threatened suicide after she was arrested, thus necessitating the strip search

Just because one "threatened" suicide, and apparently she didn't she answered the question with a question, there is no need to strip search someone, suicide watch yes, having someone sit naked in a cell for six hours no, and using male officers to strip search a female is a big no-no.

Part II of the video makes it look like a disaster for the very start for all the parties.
 
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:38 pm

THIS CRAZY

This women really deserves alot and this case just is very disgusting.
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:44 pm



Quoting AirCop (Reply 5):

Just because one "threatened" suicide, and apparently she didn't she answered the question with a question,

My sources told me that see said something to the effect of "well then I am going to f***ing kill myself"

Quoting AirCop (Reply 5):
no need to strip search someone,

Well then how do you check for concealed or secreted contraband?

Quoting AirCop (Reply 5):
using male officers to strip search a female is a big no-no.

There is where they really screwed up. They knew better than that too.
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:45 pm



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 4):
Of course the talking heads have everyone in an uproar but few are stating all the facts.

The lady gave a false ID to the responding cops (her dead sisters)
The lady then became combative
The lady threatened suicide after she was arrested, thus necessitating the strip search

 scratchchin 

And she was not very cooperative in the video either. Any confirmation about whether she was drunk?
 
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:54 pm

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 7):
Well then how do you check for concealed or secreted contraband?

So are you saying everyone that gets booked into the county jail regardless of charge, needs to be stripped searched? Most misdemeanor cases the suspect is usually just given a court date, or a small bond as apparently was it was in this case.
I've booked people into Parker Center, Los Angeles County Main Jail, San Mateo County, and numerous other jails, I never seen anyone stripped search for a simple misdemeanor.

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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:06 pm



Quoting AirCop (Reply 9):

So are you saying everyone that gets booked into the county jail regardless of charge,

No, but if they are acting like a nut case and then threaten suicide, a strip search is in order. What do think would happen if she wasn't searched and she then sliced her wrists with a concealed razor? What do think is worse, subjecting someone to a strip search and finding nothing or not searching and having that person later kill themselves?
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:37 pm



Quoting A380US (Reply 6):
THIS CRAZY

This women really deserves alot and this case just is very disgusting.

Well aren't we the authority. She doesn't deserve a cent. If you look at the specifics of the case, it is plain to see why the deputies acted the way they did. Don't take the one, obviously biased side of the story as the only side of the story and vilify the officers.
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:47 pm



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 4):
Of course the talking heads have everyone in an uproar but few are stating all the facts.

The lady gave a false ID to the responding cops (her dead sisters)
The lady then became combative
The lady threatened suicide after she was arrested, thus necessitating the strip search

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Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 7):

Quoting AirCop (Reply 5):
no need to strip search someone,

Well then how do you check for concealed or secreted contraband?

Quoting AirCop (Reply 5):
using male officers to strip search a female is a big no-no.

There is where they really screwed up. They knew better than that too.

Big huge screw up, they will lose on this alone. If they were violating one policy what other policies did they violate and not admit to (in the they say/she says battle it introduces doubt as to how the dept operated)?

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 10):
No, but if they are acting like a nut case and then threaten suicide, a strip search is in order. What do think would happen if she wasn't searched and she then sliced her wrists with a concealed razor? What do think is worse, subjecting someone to a strip search and finding nothing or not searching and having that person later kill themselves?

Ever heard of a straight jacket? Or you could just restrain her with ankle and wrist cuffs till she calms down. There was no reason not to do something like this.

Quoting DC10extender (Reply 11):
Well aren't we the authority. She doesn't deserve a cent. If you look at the specifics of the case, it is plain to see why the deputies acted the way they did. Don't take the one, obviously biased side of the story as the only side of the story and vilify the officers.

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As you said we aren't aware of the full story but the dept is not saying anything which if they could they would, clearly and without hesitation. Do you think the officers "side" won't be biased? As I said before they screwed themselves by not following policy with same sex personnel, how can you believe that they were stupid in other areas and are just not admitting it?


Last thing, she was the VICTIM of an assault, the cops admit to this, so why is all this happening? Do you think maybe her frame of mind was a bit screwed up and then you have officers of the law, who are supposed to protect you doing this? And the dead sister thing, well that is strange but if she did accidentally give a treasured memory to the officer and he refused to give it back and she had just been assaulted, all that trauma piling up on top of her....

The mind goes off on a tangent sometimes you now. They should have let her calm down.

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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:04 pm



Quoting Tugger (Reply 12):
Last thing, she was the VICTIM of an assault, the cops admit to this, so why is all this happening

Here is a story for you. We responded to a medical turned assault over the weekend. A women had beat another woman seriously with a lamp and she was bleeding heavily. We arrested the first woman for 2nd degree assault and took the victim to the hospital. I turns out the victim had several felony warrants and was wanted for assault herself. Not all victims are just "victims" so please tell me why her being the victim in this incident automatically excludes her from a thorough investigation.
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:31 pm

Well, I obviously wasn't there, but reading what I've read and my past experience, this is my conclusion:


Her and her friend were out one night for some drinks. Something happens and she was assaulted, crying, drunk.

The cops show up, ask for ID which is routine. She mistakenly hands them her dead sisters ID, and cop won't give it back. She explains to cop sister died, its means alot to her, still won't get it back. Being in an intoxicated state she gets pissed ( rightfully so in my opinion).

Gets arrested for DC and goes to jail. (This whole situation could have been prevented if they just let would of let her go home and sleep it off)

In the jail, still pissed and drunk, the ask her about hurting herself. Now, unless her answer is on tape, we'll never know what she said. But at any rate, the jailers broke policy in strip searching her with males present. Its questionable too if forcefully removing her clothes like that is necessary.

I don't care so much about the screaming and crying because I've seen alot of people do it for alot less.

My problems with the case are:

1. I think in todays society we run to arrest everyone for something little. DC is for the most part a BS charge. She's drunk, you took away something that means alot to her. Give it back, get the details of the assault, and let her go home and sleep it off. If she doesn't have any priors, why create one for her? It's called community relations, something sorely lacking in todays police force. Hell, when I was younger, if you were a decent person, the cops would let you go, drive you home, call your friends, etc. Not anymore as the older guys are retiring and we have a new "breed" of LEO's.
2. Why were males present? There gonna get burned on that.

3. Why leave her in a cell naked? Thats flat our degrading

4. What was the deal with the vest they made here where? Give the lady a pair of scrubs or something.

5. Why no medical treatment?


It would be interesting to see the whole tape. I'm not saying she's perfect, but I really don't think she deserved what they did too her.
 
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:36 pm



Quoting DC10extender (Reply 13):
Here is a story for you. We responded to a medical turned assault over the weekend. A women had beat another woman seriously with a lamp and she was bleeding heavily. We arrested the first woman for 2nd degree assault and took the victim to the hospital. I turns out the victim had several felony warrants and was wanted for assault herself. Not all victims are just "victims" so please tell me why her being the victim in this incident automatically excludes her from a thorough investigation.

It doesn't but it does account for part of the mindset she may have had. Also as I pointed out the sheriff's dept has not said much and you can bet if she did have a record they would have mentioned it. And finally your experience has no bearing on this issue. They are two separate situations.

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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:42 pm



Quoting DC10extender (Reply 13):
Here is a story for you. We responded to a medical turned assault over the weekend. A women had beat another woman seriously with a lamp and she was bleeding heavily. We arrested the first woman for 2nd degree assault and took the victim to the hospital. I turns out the victim had several felony warrants and was wanted for assault herself. Not all victims are just "victims" so please tell me why her being the victim in this incident automatically excludes her from a thorough investigation.

How would you know the victim had warrants out on her unless you actively checked? What about her being a victim makes her subject to a thorough investigation?

By having a policy of checking all victims (and perhaps witnesses) of crime for warrants, you discourage people from calling police. Whether or not that's right or wrong, that's reality.
 
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:50 pm



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 4):
The lady gave a false ID to the responding cops (her dead sisters)

I saw a news report of the incident. Her sister had passed away some time ago and she kept her sister's ID as a keepsake in her purse and it was accidentally given to the officer. She then realized she gave the wrong ID and tried to give the officer her actual ID but the officers didn't want it.
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:57 pm

I hate to turn this political, but John Edwards' Health Care plan called for mandatory Preventive Care for every citizen, as in you have to go to the doctor. I wonder if the above would turn common place under an Edwards administration for those who refuse to go.
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:29 am

She sounds like a drunken pill whore. *shrug* No biggie.

Oh, wait.... because this happened to a white woman it's: Egads! The horror! Sue them! OMG, how could this happen?!?

They should have just waterboarded her, and told the media she was suspected of terrorism. It works for Bush / CIA.
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:28 am



Quoting TUNisia (Reply 17):
I saw a news report of the incident. Her sister had passed away some time ago and she kept her sister's ID as a keepsake in her purse and it was accidentally given to the officer. She then realized she gave the wrong ID and tried to give the officer her actual ID but the officers didn't want it.

That sounds too reasonable to be true. Obviously the drunk woman gave the cop the wrong ID as part of some sinister drunken plot or as a challenge to the cop's authoritah.

Quoting Tugger (Reply 12):
Ever heard of a straight jacket? Or you could just restrain her with ankle and wrist cuffs till she calms down. There was no reason not to do something like this.

Nah. Just offer the drunk a dose of zaleplon, midazolam, etc. and a night in a comfortable (seriously) drunk tank. No charges and you're free to go when you wake up and can pass a field sobriety test. Easier for the cops and more fun for the drunk (except when they die; which would be quite rare). Plus, and cops will love this, the drug will make people forget what happened.
 
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:38 am



Quoting DC10extender (Reply 11):

Well aren't we the authority. She doesn't deserve a cent

What in the world are you talking about? They left her buck naked in a cold cell for 6 hours, in full view of everyone. There were men strip searching her, in complete contravention of department policy. She was also completely denied medical treatment for the assault she was the victim of and led to this 911 call in the first place. She shouldn't have even been arrested, let alone subjected to this horrific treatment.

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 4):

The lady gave a false ID to the responding cops (her dead sisters)

Bollocks and you absolutely insult the memory of this woman's sister with the comment.
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:48 am



Quoting Analog (Reply 20):
Obviously the drunk woman gave the cop the wrong ID as part of some sinister drunken plot or as a challenge to the cop's authoritah.

Agreed. Why would you carry your dead sister's ID of all things? A picture? Sure. But her ID, in your own wallet? Nope.

Send her to Gitmo, I say.
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:24 am

The only fault I see on the part of the police force is that they used male officers to remove her clothing.

They took it away for her safety. Its a common practice. A colleague of mine told me the other day of a similar occurence at a force that he works for where a similar incident happened. A female was stripped of her clothing for fear that she may use it to commit suicide.

As mentioned before, the stink would have been far greater if they didn't remove her clothing and found her dead 6 hours later.

Its also interesting how the husband speaks so matter of factly. I didn't see him in any of the videos.

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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:09 am



Quoting EmiratesA345 (Reply 23):
They took it away for her safety. Its a common practice. A colleague of mine told me the other day of a similar occurence at a force that he works for where a similar incident happened. A female was stripped of her clothing for fear that she may use it to commit suicide.

I was not aware that people on suicide watch are kept naked. Generally they are not. Also doing a strip search for clothing is like... oh man... the choices. Bad analogy overload.

Well, lookie here, we found us some contraband clothing on this here female. Done concealed it beneath her clothes.
 
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:20 am

The overacting and un-needed hysterics of this woman remind me of this hysteric, similarly figured, woman:

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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:51 pm

Even in Sheriff Joe's jail if detention officers need to take one's clothing for evidence, or whatever they are given a paper type outfit to wear. Having someone sit naked in a cold cell for six hours sounds so medieval.
 
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:39 pm



Quoting EvilForce (Reply 19):
Oh, wait.... because this happened to a white woman it's: Egads! The horror! Sue them! OMG, how could this happen?!?

Very true.
Regardless, these bastard cops deserve to be locked up and a$$-raped by the most hardend imates.
This is truly sick and this happens more often then we'd like to believe.
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:18 am



Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):

Bollocks and you absolutely insult the memory of this woman's sister with the comment.

Spare me the melodrama. How many people do you know that carry the state issued ID of a dead relative on them?
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:25 am



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 28):
Spare me the melodrama. How many people do you know that carry the state issued ID of a dead relative on them?

Spare us the non-sense. Under what conditions should a human being be treated as such?
The cops deserve to have their balls chopped off and shoved down their throats! What they did was criminal!
BTW, I do know of people that do carry an ID of their deseased loved one.
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:02 pm



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 7):
Well then how do you check for concealed or secreted contraband?

Not like that that's for sure. I'm glad your not a cop.

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 28):
Spare me the melodrama. How many people do you know that carry the state issued ID of a dead relative on them?

So not one single person does do they, how naive could you be? I hope the cops get dishonorable discharged and sued the shit out of. This kind of cruel behaviour from people who others trust with their lives and safety makes me sick. Perhaps the US should start to fix up their own so called "freedoms" of their citizens in their own backyard.
 
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:12 pm



Quoting NZ747 (Reply 30):
I hope the cops get dishonorable discharged and sued the shit out of. This kind of cruel behaviour from people who others trust with their lives and safety makes me sick.

That would be too lenient in my opinion. They need to spend some time behind bars.
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:12 pm



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 28):
How many people do you know that carry the state issued ID of a dead relative on them?

You have to understand that people grive death in different ways. They keep mementos, objects and in this case ID cards. It's a way of dealing with death. And this was her way.

I watched the video and to say the least I am shocked. One quote stood out in that news report "It felt like rape, without the penertration", that just sent chills down my spine, as did her screams for help.

One of the most disturbing videos I have ever seen.

I hope she receives financial compensation as well as any psychological support she may require (which is very likely)

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Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:20 pm

Quoting RacingGreen07 (Reply 32):
One of the most disturbing videos I have ever seen.



You people are SO sheltered. You feel sorry for the women just because she was screeching and the media made a big deal out of it. Well I have news for you, that scene plays out all over the country on a daily bases when dealing with drunk or high detainees.

By the way can anyone here say that they know all the facts? No, so why so quick to condemn cops you don't even know for a bit of video edited to make the cops look bad?

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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:24 pm



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 33):
Well I have news for you, that scene plays out all over the country on a daily bases when dealing with drunk or high detainees.

...and that is a MAJOR problem!
I hope this video draws attention to this problem so no one ever has to endure that sort of violation. She was already handcuffed!
What else could she have done?
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:26 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 31):
That would be too lenient in my opinion. They need to spend some time behind bars

Of course mate, at the very least! Perhaps then while behind bars they'll know what it's like for a group of guys to hold them down against their will, and take off their clothes in a small cell, while they scream and scream..

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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:49 pm



Quoting NZ747 (Reply 35):
Perhaps then while behind bars they'll know what it's like for a group of guys to hold them down against their will, and take off their clothes in a small cell, while they scream and scream..

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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:55 pm

Is it standard procedure in the USA for the police to video all strip searches? If so, why was it neccessary to spend so much time taping the woman in question in the raw. Also, why is it the 'pro' police contingent think it's fine for male officers to be part of this 'voyeurism'? Or do YOU enjoy this sort of debacle?

Quoting EvilForce (Reply 19):
She sounds like a drunken pill whore. *shrug* No biggie.

Oh, wait.... because this happened to a white woman it's: Egads! The horror! Sue them! OMG, how could this happen?!?

They should have just waterboarded her, and told the media she was suspected of terrorism. It works for Bush / CIA.

Would I be right in assuming your not a 'white' person yourself?

Quoting EvilForce (Reply 22):
Quoting Analog (Reply 20):
Obviously the drunk woman gave the cop the wrong ID as part of some sinister drunken plot or as a challenge to the cop's authoritah.

Agreed. Why would you carry your dead sister's ID of all things? A picture? Sure. But her ID, in your own wallet? Nope.

Send her to Gitmo, I say.

Would I also be right in assuming you have/n't got a huge chip on your shoulder?

Just for your information EvilForce, when I lost my wife in '96, I carried her passport with me when going to France. Why? It's always nice to have something that means so much when visiting the places you both shared. Do you find this wierd?

Everyone has their own way of keeping those that meant the most in their lives close to them. But, using your logic, I'm some kind of idiot.

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I have just checked your profile and see that you are banned. I'm not gloating about that but, hopefully (if this post is allowed to stay) when you return you will read this and at least 'try' to understand that not everyone has a mindset like yours.
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:56 pm



Quoting Farcry (Reply 37):
Is it standard procedure in the USA for the police to video all strip searches?

Not at all.

Quoting Farcry (Reply 37):
Also, why is it the 'pro' police contingent think it's fine for male officers to be part of this 'voyeurism'? Or do YOU enjoy this sort of debacle?

Of course they do and it's is a sick mentality. Glad those members aren't cops. Sadly there are still too many like minds that are cops as we have seen in the video

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Quoting Farcry (Reply 37):
Would I be right in assuming your not a 'white' person yourself?

That would be besides the point. You don't have to be a member of a certain race to recognize racism.

Quoting Farcry (Reply 37):
Everyone has their own way of keeping those that meant the most in their lives close to them

Very true.
Sorry to hear about the loss of your wife. I can only image how difficult that was for you and your family. A good friend of mine of 20 years lost her husband less than a year ago. I can see the pain and agony she still deals with today.
I think it is in poor taste to judge how someone copes with the loss of a loved one.
BTW, she does carry his ID in her wallet.
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:31 pm



Quoting Superfly (Reply 38):
Quoting Farcry (Reply 37):
Is it standard procedure in the USA for the police to video all strip searches?

Not at all.

Really? and how do you know this?
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:42 pm



Quoting EvilForce (Reply 22):
Agreed. Why would you carry your dead sister's ID of all things? A picture? Sure. But her ID, in your own wallet? Nope.

I carry one of my wife's expired US gov't issued IDs in my passport holder (basically a big wallet). Does that mean I'm carrying false ID?

I carry it as a backup aid for getting a new one in case her new one gets lost while we're outside of the US.
 
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:45 pm



Quoting Analog (Reply 40):
. Does that mean I'm carrying false ID?

If an agent of the law asks you for your ID and you hand over hers it does.
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:38 pm



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 41):
If an agent of the law asks you for your ID and you hand over hers it does.

If I do it by accident I'm still guilty of a crime, even though there is obviously no intent to deceive (oddly enough she looks nothing like me)? That's messed up.
 
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:52 pm



Quoting Analog (Reply 42):
If I do it by accident I'm still guilty of a crime, even though there is obviously no intent to deceive (oddly enough she looks nothing like me)? That's messed up.

If there is no intent then there is no crime. As for the video, we are only hearing one side of the story When the whole thing comes out in court I will pass judgment on the cops but not until. To say the cops are wrong and should be fired or put in jail without hearing their side of the story is denying the cops the due process everyone is screaming that the lady was denied.
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:03 pm



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 28):

Spare me the melodrama. How many people do you know that carry the state issued ID of a dead relative on them?

I have known plenty of people who carry various mementos of dead relatives with them, including old IDs. It makes a good pocket sized picture.

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 33):
You people are SO sheltered. You feel sorry for the women just because she was screeching and the media made a big deal out of it.

No, I feel bad for her because she was a victim of crime treated like a criminal and then strip searched by people of the same sex, who were then touching her while she was naked.

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 41):

If an agent of the law asks you for your ID and you hand over hers it does.

Not when it is an accident.
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:39 pm



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 7):
My sources told me

Non sequitur...

Quoting Lobster (Reply 14):
1. I think in todays society we run to arrest everyone for something little. DC is for the most part a BS charge.

I agree- it's a catch-all way of keeping the revenue train rolling and satisfying cop egos.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
She shouldn't have even been arrested, let alone subjected to this horrific treatment.

Amen!

Quoting Farcry (Reply 37):
Is it standard procedure in the USA for the police to video all strip searches? If so, why was it neccessary to spend so much time taping the woman in question in the raw. Also, why is it the 'pro' police contingent think it's fine for male officers to be part of this 'voyeurism'? Or do YOU enjoy this sort of debacle?

Good question. Cue the crickets from those people.

And, I'll just spare everyone the trouble....blah, blah, blah, yes we dare to question authority and we're all cop haters, blah, blah, blah...

This woman was demeaned, humiliated and there was no legal ground to do so. Also, when she asked why they were doing that, she never received a response.

Every one of those officers should be terminated. That deaprtment will lose million$ and rightfully so. Disgusting. Despicable.

Just one more in a long line of police power abuses....seems like we have something like this pop up weekly if not more, huh?

Think of the iceberg theory...for every one we know about, how many don't we?

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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:12 pm



Quoting Slider (Reply 45):
THE LAW IS NOT ABOVE THE LAW.

If only that were true. When it comes to "minor" laws (traffic violations and the like) some cops seem to think they are, and should be, above the law (professional courtesy). Police officers that I would call friends of mine have said this to me, things like "We're trained to drive fast." to excuse speeding not in the course of duty. More serious crimes tend to raise the blue wall of silence.

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 43):
If there is no intent then there is no crime.

This specific case (handing over the wrong ID), or in general? With the exception of specific intent crimes (Wesley Snipes must be happy about this), the intention, part of mens rea, is pretty trivial to demonstrate. It certainly is a lot less of an obstacle than demonstrating that you knew you were committing a crime.

Any lawyers out there to correct me (if necessary)?
 
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:19 pm

Just a couple of observations. First, it is a crime in some states to possess the valid, state issued ID of someone other than yourself. Whether or not that's true in OH, I don't know. It's also a crime to knowingly falsely identify yourself by providing a police officer with the identification of someone other than yourself. Mrs. Steffy (sp?) says she "accidentally" gave her deceased sister's ID to the officer. I am a bit skeptical of this being that I have had people do the same thing to me on numerous occasions. The story doesn't elaborate but I am curious if Steffy had any warrants out for her arrest and, perhaps, that played a role in her accidentally providing the officers with the wrong ID. Also, if the video is accurate, the ID of the deceased sister belongs to the state of Ohio and it's not up to the officers to allow Steffy to keep property that does not belong to her.

Everyone is referring to this incident as a "strip search" yet, other than some very brief footage of a female officer searching the pants pockets of the prisoner, I don't see any actual searching of the prisoners person (ie: body cavities) being conducted. We don't know what prompted the officers to deem it necessary to remove the clothes of the prisoner other than perhaps some remarks made by the prisoner that could be deemed as suicidal. If that was truly the case, then it's been my experience that the prisoner is removed from their clothes. It is not my experience that a suicidal prisoner is left naked in a jail cell, however.

If the department violated it's own policy by allowing officers of a gender different than that of the prisoner to participate in her booking procedure, then they should be held accountable for that.

Quoting Farcry (Reply 37):
Is it standard procedure in the USA for the police to video all strip searches?

Yes, it is standard procedure to videotape the booking process of prisoners. From what I can tell, the removal of the prisoner's clothes was part of the booking process.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 29):
BTW, I do know of people that do carry an ID of their deseased loved one.

Then they are in possession of property that does not belong to them, just as was the case of the person in the video.
 
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:00 pm



Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 47):
Just a couple of observations. First, it is a crime in some states to possess the valid, state issued ID of someone other than yourself. Whether or not that's true in OH, I don't know

If the person is dead the ID is no longer valid (right?).

What does possess mean? Does it mean that I cannot deliver Mrs. Analog's wallet to her place of work if she forgets it at home?

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 47):
Then they are in possession of property that does not belong to them, just as was the case of the person in the video.

Then charge her with the crime of receiving stolen property (or whatever).
 
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RE: Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)

Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:09 pm



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 43):

If there is no intent then there is no crime.

In what instance? There are strict liability crimes.
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