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Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:35 am

I certainly have gotten used to living in smoke-free California. Spending last week in Vegas was of course a good time, but damnit I forgot about all the cigarette smoke. I'm just a bit too young, but I can't even imagine being on a plane with passengers smoking. I don't want this to turn into World War III, but what are your opinions on public smoking bans?

I am a lifelong non-smoker, and believe ALL restaurants, bars, sports venues, academic residence halls, office buildings, airports, etc. should be smoke-free. The biggest one that kills me is parents smoking with their kids in the car.

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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:21 am



Quoting SAN787 (Thread starter):
I am a lifelong non-smoker, and believe ALL restaurants, bars, sports venues, academic residence halls, office buildings, airports, etc. should be smoke-free. The biggest one that kills me is parents smoking with their kids in the car.

I was one as well. Working landscape construction it kind of came with the territory. I quit last June 12th, but here in Ontario it's been banned in cities all over the province within the last 3 years. I think the ban is good, everyone knows it's bad for you, and if your willing to take that risk you can take it outside.
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:43 am

Same here. I work for Pima County as a deputy clerk and it is nice to be able to breathe good air. County owned buildings have been smoke free for years-administrative order makes it illegal to smoke anywhere other than designated smoke areas-none of which are inside. Smokers may not smoke within 25 feet of doors and 10 feet of windows or vents. With the new state law, smoking is banned in all workplaces, restaurants or other public places as week.

There is also a movement afoot in the state to make it illegal to smoke in a car with a child too.
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:48 am

In restaurants I understand it and I don't complain, but banning smoking in bars just seems stupid to me. No-one goes to a bar for their health. Personally, I think it should be up to the owner of the bar whether or not smoking is allowed inside; if it is allowed, then a sign on the door stating that smoking is allowed inside seems like a fair warning for those who'd prefer not to be around cigarette (or cigar) smoke.

I also miss smoking rooms in airports within secure areas. A good fan venting the smoke to the outside keeps the smoke from reaching the public areas, and a cigarette or two can certainly help nervous flyers deal with the stress of air travel.
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:53 am

Smoking bans have their places, but I find that the problem is non-smokers always have to follow smokers around and complain about the smoke. For example, most public buildings here have designated smoking areas outside of the building, usually off in a corner somewheres. Non-smokers have so much room around the area, but they seem to think that they have to walk through that area to and bitch and complain about it.

I have no problem with smoking bans for public buildings and such, but I do believe that they should at least still offer smoking rooms past security in airports. Like it or not, it is an addiction and some people can get rather agitated if they don't have their fix.

BC wants to place a smoking ban for cars with kids by 2010. Personally, I'm still undecided on that.

Interestingly, while the Government is placing all these new bans and such, I don't see why they just don't make tobacco products illegal, oh wait, that's right, they make millions of dollars every year in taxes ...  Wink
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:21 am



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 4):
Non-smokers have so much room around the area, but they seem to think that they have to walk through that area to and bitch and complain about it.

In my experience the non-smokers aren't bothered much, it's the EX-smokers that are the zealots.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 4):
Interestingly, while the Government is placing all these new bans and such, I don't see why they just don't make tobacco products illegal, oh wait, that's right, they make millions of dollars every year in taxes ...  Wink

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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:36 am

Before I smoked, I didn't like people's ciggie smoke blowing in my face, so after I started smoking, I don't like my smoke ending up in someone's face... A lot of smokers forget that there are people who don't smoke... and by not caring, hey, we got smoking bans !!!!!

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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:38 am

Smoking bans are good, especially in restaurants. I hate sitting there waiting for a great dinner but having it ruined by smoke everywhere, especially since second hand smoking kills! I hope they never allow smoking on airlines, as that would be disastrous.
 
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:42 am

love it, I don't have to come home and shower so I can rid myself of the stench of other peoples smoke, recently, I was in Innsbruck with a friend and we ventured to an Irish pub, I left after 1hr because I was literally choking from the filthy smoke smell...doesn't do much asthma much good either.
 
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:39 am



Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 8):
I don't have to come home and shower so I can rid myself of the stench of other peoples smoke

Yeah this is the most noticeable thing about the smoking ban. It's great; if I've had a night out, I always feel much worse for wear if I've been in a smoky place anyway.

The only thing is that it shows up when pubs and bars aren't clean, as there's nothing to mask the smell... well, in my opinion, great! They should get their act together and clean the place up!
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:56 am

Hi,

Back when I smoked going to Las Vegas from California was like heaven for a few days but I guess not smoking now I can't really mind a smoking ban in public.

Quoting TSS (Reply 3):
I also miss smoking rooms in airports within secure areas.

If you get the chance Zurich airport has a few really nice expensive-looking ones - I think sponsered by Camel!  Smile

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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:04 pm

Canada now has a smoke free work place, its hard to enforce but its law now. So if you are even driving a truck its considered a work place and thus you can not smoke....okay well thats a tuff one to enforce because how are you going to police that system?
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:01 pm



Quoting Ps76 (Reply 10):
If you get the chance Zurich airport has a few really nice expensive-looking ones - I think sponsered by Camel!

I was in one of those rooms at ZRH a couple of weeks ago...the smoke in there was so bad that I only smoked half a cigarette before I stubbed it out and went outside for some fresher air!

And don't get me started on the landside smoking room of the domestic terminal at IST...just horrible...and this is coming from a smoker!!

I have to say that the UK smoking ban is not as bad as I thought it would be. Personally I find that if I know I can't legally smoke somewhere, it doesn't bother me that I can't smoke. The only time I get a bit annoyed is when I have to go outside a pub for a quick smoke. It's not so much the act of going outside that bothers me, but more the feeling of guilt at leaving whoever I'm drinking with alone for five minutes should they happen to be a non smoker (assuming there's only the two of us in the party)!!

Nowadays it seems like a bit of a luxury should I find myself in a part of the world where smoking rules are more relaxed and I can light up in a bar or restaurant - I then tend to make the most of it!
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:58 pm

In restaurants, smoking bans should be a given. Same in public spaces that citizens can't avoid; airports, airplanes, trains, public buildings, stations etc.

I'm not sure about pubs and bars though. Seeing that I'm a non-smoker and intensely bothered by smokers around me, I probably lack the impartiality to decide whether it infringes personal freedom too much or not.
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:17 pm

I am a smoker myself but I am definitely for smoking bans in restaurants, I find it disgusting when I am eating and someone right next to me is smoking. I have no problems with smoking bans in bars, the big advantage is that you can wear your clothes on the next day because they didn't smell like an ashtray.

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 10):
If you get the chance Zurich airport has a few really nice expensive-looking ones - I think sponsered by Camel!

You are right, there is another one sponsored by Winston. I like these smoking zones at Zurich airport, they are pretty good for a quick cigarette when changing planes there.

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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:20 pm

A good measure... tobacco should be outlawed, period.

It has zero benefits and is a staggering cost to all of us as taxpayers.
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:53 pm

I believe smoking should be banned completely. I hate it so much. The smell is awful and inhaling someone else's smoke is worse than inhaling your own. My stepmother smokes and I hate it. It gets into my clothes and its so embarrassing going into school and smelling like that. I understand that its a hard habit to break but we need to put an end to all of this. Well thats my two cents.
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:00 pm

When I was a kid, I hated smokers. But now, sadly, I became a smoker...

I think it is personal preference. Although I smoke, I don't like to give out second hand smoke, so I have no problem banning smoking in restaurants, planes, etc compacted public space. And when I do smoke at home, I smoke in the backyard and make sure the fume doesn't enter the house. It's such a hassle, but it's necessary. Big grin

BUT, I think, especially if a bar really wants to attract customers, they should probably have one of those out door patio smoking area for their smoker patrons.

Quoting SAN787 (Thread starter):
I certainly have gotten used to living in smoke-free California.

SAN, do you live in San Diego? Cus San Francisco, Sacramento areas have plenty of smokers. Especially when you walk up and down Market in SF, you'll see plenty of businessmen / businesswomen taking a cigarette break.  tongue 


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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:26 pm



Quoting AC777LR (Reply 11):
Canada now has a smoke free work place, its hard to enforce but its law now. So if you are even driving a truck its considered a work place and thus you can not smoke....okay well thats a tuff one to enforce because how are you going to police that system?

It depends on who owns the truck. Most trucks are owned by the operator (driver), so if they want to smoke in it, there is no law saying otherwise. If the truck is owned by the company, then they may be able to enforce a no smoking ban/policy. But I agree, how do you enforce it?

The same question goes for the new proposed ban of smoking with children in the car. The only way they can enforce this is by total fluke catching someone in the act.
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:03 pm

I used to smoke but even when I did I still got annoyed by smokers mainly having to walk through a crowd of smokers to get into work (who puts their smoking area by the building's main entrance??) and always having to shower and wash my clothes after going to the pub. I much prefer the pubs and bars now, especially as I don't have people waving cigarettes in my face and giving me temptation.

Plus I was at the doctors recently and found out just how much damage I managed to avoid by quitting smoking.
 
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:29 pm



Quoting SAN787 (Thread starter):
I am a lifelong non-smoker, and believe ALL restaurants, bars, sports venues, academic residence halls, office buildings, airports, etc. should be smoke-free. The biggest one that kills me is parents smoking with their kids in the car.

One other law that needs to be enforced: If you smoke, throw your butts in the trash (or other proper receptacle), do not chuck them onto the ground. Smoking is banned in most public places around here (the gaming area of the Indian casinos being a notable exception) but when people step outside to smoke, their residue piles up.
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:38 pm



Quoting Foppishbum (Reply 17):
SAN, do you live in San Diego? Cus San Francisco, Sacramento areas have plenty of smokers. Especially when you walk up and down Market in SF, you'll see plenty of businessmen / businesswomen taking a cigarette break

I do live downtown San Diego. Generally speaking, San Diego is a health conscious city and from my observation, very few locals smoke. I joke with some friends...where there's a cigarette, there's a camera (tourists).  idea 

best of all is being in a bar and someone pulls out their pack of cigarettes...

I do have mixed feelings regarding smoking bans in outdoor (rooftop) bars in San Diego.

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 20):
One other law that needs to be enforced: If you smoke, throw your butts in the trash (or other proper receptacle), do not chuck them onto the ground

Cheers to that!
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:53 pm

Hi,

Quoting BAViscount (Reply 12):
Quoting Ps76 (Reply 10):
If you get the chance Zurich airport has a few really nice expensive-looking ones - I think sponsered by Camel!

I was in one of those rooms at ZRH a couple of weeks ago...the smoke in there was so bad that I only smoked half a cigarette before I stubbed it out and went outside for some fresher air!

I don't believe it in Zurich. Are you sure you weren't in the employees smoking lounge?  Wink  duck 

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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:56 pm

As a smoker, I agree with the idea of banning smoking in public buildings and restaurants and in most bars but I just think it's gone too far.

Quoting TSS (Reply 3):
In restaurants I understand it and I don't complain, but banning smoking in bars just seems stupid to me. No-one goes to a bar for their health. Personally, I think it should be up to the owner of the bar whether or not smoking is allowed inside; if it is allowed, then a sign on the door stating that smoking is allowed inside seems like a fair warning for those who'd prefer not to be around cigarette (or cigar) smoke.

Agreed, even limit it to, say 5% or 10% of the bars in town and enforce ventilation standards. I don't understand why some insist on the right to go every bar in town and have it just the way they want it. I've lived in Edinburgh for over 13 years and probably haven't managed to visit even 10% of the bars. It's a Work in Progress, though  Smile

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 10):
If you get the chance Zurich airport has a few really nice expensive-looking ones - I think sponsered by Camel!

I visit Geneva a lot and they seem to have gone no-smoking. My last few flights were via "Little France" and I didn't spot any smoking areas beyond security there.  Sad
 
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:17 pm

I myself think it takes away the characteristics of bars but i'am not complaining about restaurants though  Cool
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:20 pm



Quoting David L (Reply 23):
I don't understand why some insist on the right to go every bar in town and have it just the way they want it.

That could go both ways. I suppose one might ask why smokers should insist on going to bars and choosing to smoke, when other people - including staff - haven't the choice as to whether they breathe the smoke or not. That would also be having it the way they want it, but with a more adverse impact on those who do not smoke than a smokefree establishment would have on those who do smoke.
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:06 pm



Quoting IH8BY (Reply 25):
That could go both ways.

I'm not suggesting smokers should be able to go into any bar and smoke, just 5% to 10% of them, and those bars would be clearly marked.

Quoting IH8BY (Reply 25):
when other people - including staff - haven't the choice as to whether they breathe the smoke or not.

And yet there are quite a lot of bar staff (probably more than 5%, anyway) who smoke and would be prepared to work in such a bar... provided the ventilation was reasonable. I only know such bar staff exist because I've discussed this with them.

This is why I tend not to be invloved in these discussions for long.  Smile
 
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:04 am



Quoting Ps76 (Reply 22):
I don't believe it in Zurich. Are you sure you weren't in the employees smoking lounge?

LOL...if only!! Walking into that room was like walking into a foggy day in ye olde London Towne...! Even a group of F/A's, who were after a quick fag between flights, were gagging like gawd knows what when they walked in! Made me ashamed to be a smoker...until I found the smoking room by the A80 gates that is!! Much less smoke!

However, I had to laugh at the guy in the A80's smoking room at ZRH on the way home from IST who asked me if I "had fire"!! I'm a firestarter...twisted firestarter!!

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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:41 am



Quoting TSS (Reply 3):
banning smoking in bars just seems stupid to me. No-one goes to a bar for their health.

People don't go to bars to have their clothes smell like ashtrays when they get home either.

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 20):
If you smoke, throw your butts in the trash (or other proper receptacle), do not chuck them onto the ground.

Correct. Smokers for some reason believe they are above most laws, and littering is the most obvious one. And it's not just the cigarrete butts but ash as well.
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:10 am



Quoting TSS (Reply 3):
In restaurants I understand it and I don't complain, but banning smoking in bars just seems stupid to me. No-one goes to a bar for their health

Your right... the customers are not going there for their health, but... you've still completely missed the point. The employees of that establishment have the right to work in a healthy environment.


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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:44 pm

The two places where I think there should be provisions made for smokers are bars and airports. It's annoying when you have to leave your drink at the bar and step outside onto a public sidewalk have a smoke and come back in. A nice patio (heated in winter) would make this so much more enjoyable. Nothing better than catching a quick smoke while transiting through an airport prior to boarding a long flight.
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:38 pm

Wow. The willingness of many of you to strip away the rights of others, just because you disapprove of their (legal) actions, speaks volumes.

Now, for clarification, I am a Non-Smoker, and have been so my entire life. I don't like cigarette smoke, I don't like it blown in my face, I don't like the smell it leaves in my clothes. That being said, it is not my place to tell someone else what they can or cannot do in a public establishment. It is perfectly within my rights to ban guests from smoking in my own home or vehicles. To me, smoking bans are another unjust encroachment into private property rights, rights which are increasingly becoming a misnomer, with the advent of things like smoking bans, zoning restrictions, the Kelo v. New Haven decision, and the like. The only place I can legitimately see government being able to ban smoking is in it's own buildings (this includes government-owned airports, public universities that receive funding from the government, and the like).

As for bars and restaurants, it should be up to the individual business owner as to whether they wish to ban smoking in their establishment. If demand is there for smoke-free bars/restaurants, the free market will answer with such businesses. If not, then it will not. Now since smoking bans first started appearing in the MSP area (first they were city-ordinances, then a county-wide one appeared, now it is state-wide), over 150 bars and restaurants have closed their doors. In Minnesota, the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation gave a lot of money to anti-smoking lobby groups to enact the smoking ban here. I wonder why? In case anyone is wondering, the RWJF is the foundation for Johnson & Johnson Company, which manufactures, among other things, Nicoderm and Nicoderm CQ smoking cessation products. Fewer places for people to smoke increases the chances that those people will try to quit, and in doing so, many of them will use products like Nicoderm to do so. This practice is called Rent Seeking. This is also what George Soros did when he poured millions of his own dollars into lobbying for Campaign Finance Reform here in the U.S. Soros wanted to silence the voices of organizations like the NRA (or at least hamper their ability to influence voters during an election cycle), as he also supports many anti-gun and other liberal-leaning organizations. Once CFR became law here, he was among the first to start up/fund '527' operations like MoveOn.org, which were specifically designed to skirt the limitations put in place by CFR in the first place.

As for the list of bars/restaurants that have closed in MN, some may not be directly linked to the smoking ban, but there are many that link their demise directly to the ban (particularly places that had been in business for 40, 50, 60, 70 years or more.

Personally, I believe that if states are going to ban smoking in private establishments, then they should also forfeit the tax revenues they earn from the sale of tobacco products in the first place. However, you know they won't give up that particular cash cow, and that, my friends, is why you don't see a push for a total ban on smoking (or using other tobacco products). The government wants to have their cake and eat it, too.
 
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:22 pm

I think they're great. It's one of the few reasons I look forward to getting out of North Carolina and going to Florida for college, since Florida is an all non-smoking state. It hasn't passed in North Carolina because "tobacco is *cough* what built *cough* this *cough* state *cough*". Fortunately, some restaurants have been pro-active and decided to enact the no-smoking policy on their own. My restaurant instituted a non-smoking policy at the first of the year and it was great. I used to hate having to seat people in the "Cough & Puke" Section and would hold my breath whenever I walked through it. One thing you learned to do was be able to stereotype the people coming in who would ask for smoking. For all the time I guessed right, I've only guessed wrong a couple times.
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:25 pm

I dont smoke and I think the total smoking bans are very insane.....I even have asthma and I think that its just one more step closer to the Govt. trying to dictate how we live our lives.....What will they think of next???
If smoking bans are the rule of the day, why doesnt the Federal or State or Local governments put a ban on the production of Tobacco products????? Put Philip Morris and the others out of business...

Gimme a break...

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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:31 pm

I smoke, but I hate second hand. Even though you can still smoke in bars etc here in Georgia, I still choose to step outside. So yea, I'm all for a smoking ban (almost) everywhere.

However, I do wish that they make exceptions for airport secure areas. It's not always practical or even possible to step out in between connections.
 
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:59 pm



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 32):
Fortunately, some restaurants have been pro-active and decided to enact the no-smoking policy on their own. My restaurant instituted a non-smoking policy at the first of the year and it was great.

You note the difference though, between your restaurant implementing the change of their own accord, and having that change imposed upon it by the state? If the owner of the restaurant did an analysis of the marketplace, and found that he/she could thrive by offering a smoke-free environment, then that should be encouraged and supported. It's when the state steps in and makes business decisions for that business owner that I disagree. In fact, there is a a condominium development in Minneapolis that just instituted a smoking ban that will take place May 1st. This was not the city/county/state stepping in and forcing a ban, but rather the association of home owners in that specific building deciding that they wanted to enact such a ban (this ban extends to within individual units, as well as common areas). While there could be an effect of tyranny of the majority (non-smokers) here, this is well within their rights to do so, and they also implemented a grandfather clause for existing smoking residents. This is the way smoking bans should be implemented...by the marketplace, not by the state.
 
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:05 pm



Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 34):
However, I do wish that they make exceptions for airport secure areas. It's not always practical or even possible to step out in between connections.

Most major airports have designated areas. I've yet to see one without one and all you hear along with the security announcements are "there is no smoking in the terminal building except in designated areas".

I always laugh at the people in there when I walk by, especially at ATL. The air always has this haze in there and I just laugh to myself at the people who are suffering in there. I also laugh at the passengers who you can tell are getting antsy at the end of a flight.

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 33):
If smoking bans are the rule of the day, why doesnt the Federal or State or Local governments put a ban on the production of Tobacco products????? Put Philip Morris and the others out of business...

Because the state and federal government are making way too much money off of cigarettes, both immediately with the taxes you pay on each pack or carton and again on the income taxes.

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 33):
I even have asthma and I think that its just one more step closer to the Govt. trying to dictate how we live our lives.....What will they think of next???

A) Maybe you'll feel different if the smoke one day triggers your asthma.
B) I have a right to breathe clean air and I don't view as the government taking someone else's right away; I view it as protecting mine. Your decision to smoke does affect others and that's why I have no problem with it being controlled in public.
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:23 pm



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 36):
B) I have a right to breathe clean air and I don't view as the government taking someone else's right away; I view it as protecting mine. Your decision to smoke does affect others and that's why I have no problem with it being controlled in public.

But what about the rights of the business owner to either allow or disallow smoking in his/her establishment? You have the option of going to a restaurant/bar that doesn't allow smoking, or going to one that does, knowing full well that there may be smoking there. Making the decision to go to a bar that allows smoking, fully knowing that it does, then complaining about the smoke there, is a pretty weak argument. You're just trying to impose your rights upon someone else's (the right to smoke, or the right to allow smoking in one's business).
 
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:35 pm

There's a commercial running here with some dopey retard broad who works as a barmaid saying "Jeez, they should ban smoking in bars, I need this job and when I was pregnant it was terrible. I shouldn't have to breathe this stuff."

Well, I think it is funny and pathetic all at the same time. First of all she should find another job. And second of all, there she is, working in a ginmill, serving up poison to people to destroy themselves and their families with, prolly did more harm than all the cigarettes ever smoked and she's bitching about smokers.

I don't smoke, and i haven't smoked since 1980-June 21st to be exact.
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:14 pm



Quoting Surfpunk (Reply 37):
But what about the rights of the business owner to either allow or disallow smoking in his/her establishment? You have the option of going to a restaurant/bar that doesn't allow smoking, or going to one that does, knowing full well that there may be smoking there. Making the decision to go to a bar that allows smoking, fully knowing that it does, then complaining about the smoke there, is a pretty weak argument. You're just trying to impose your rights upon someone else's (the right to smoke, or the right to allow smoking in one's business).

So you would make the argument that smoking should be allowed on all flights operating within or to and from the US? Afterall, the airlines are a business.

And have you ever worked in a restaurant? The best day at my restaurant was the day we went to all non-smoking. It was nice to not have to come home smelling like an ash-tray at work. Sure, you can make the argument "I didn't have to work there" when we did allow smoking, but my other option was probably not to work at all because of my situation. I'm a college student and I worked at this restaurant over summer and winter breaks when I'm home. Because of the short time I'm home a lot of places don't want to hire me. So my decision was work there or not at all.

And I always enjoy being sick and coughing on smokers who decide to blow their smoke right in my face. If that smoke is so good, why do you have to turn away and blow it elsewhere, like in my direction, huh? Well, I cough on people. It's fun and I have no problem giving them my germs since they have no problem giving me cancer.  sarcastic 
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:47 am



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 36):
I always laugh at the people in there when I walk by, especially at ATL. The air always has this haze in there and I just laugh to myself at the people who are suffering in there. I also laugh at the passengers who you can tell are getting antsy at the end of a flight.

Haha! O yea, total crack dens... disgusting. But thank God for them!

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 36):
Most major airports have designated areas. I've yet to see one without one and all you hear along with the security announcements are "there is no smoking in the terminal building except in designated areas".

Well, many still do, but most don't. And especially in Europe now - what's up with that? Total Californication of Europe... I never thought the day would come when France and the Netherlands would be tougher on smoking than the US!
 
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:16 pm



Quoting SAN787 (Thread starter):
I'm just a bit too young, but I can't even imagine being on a plane with passengers smoking.

It sucked and I think 99.9% of people are happy it doesn't happen anymore.

Quoting TSS (Reply 3):
No-one goes to a bar for their health

The difference is that by drinking, you are poisoning yourself and no one else. Not to mention those that work in the bar.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 4):

Interestingly, while the Government is placing all these new bans and such, I don't see why they just don't make tobacco products illegal, oh wait, that's right, they make millions of dollars every year in taxes ...



Quoting A332 (Reply 15):
tobacco should be outlawed, period.

No it shouldn't. You ban tobacco and you have the same problems we already have with other drugs.

Quoting Surfpunk (Reply 31):
Wow. The willingness of many of you to strip away the rights of others, just because you disapprove of their (legal) actions, speaks volumes.

Oh really? So I take it you approve of murder?
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:17 pm



Quoting N1120A (Reply 41):

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 4):

Interestingly, while the Government is placing all these new bans and such, I don't see why they just don't make tobacco products illegal, oh wait, that's right, they make millions of dollars every year in taxes ...

Can't edit my post for some reason and I forgot to answer this one. The tax thing is just one of many reasons we should legalized marijuana.
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:35 pm



Quoting N1120A (Reply 41):
Oh really? So I take it you approve of murder?

Could you possibly come up with a more ridiculous straw man?
 
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:16 pm



Quoting Surfpunk (Reply 43):

Could you possibly come up with a more ridiculous straw man?

The point behind this, unless you still believe the lies of Big Tobacco, is that secondhand smoke kills people and that people don't have a "right" to kill others.
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:49 pm



Quoting A332 (Reply 15):
A good measure... tobacco should be outlawed, period.



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 16):
I believe smoking should be banned completely.

Oh yeah, because the bans on other drugs have worked so well......

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 36):
I've yet to see one without one

Logan Airport.....you have to go outside...not easy when you're in one of the satellite buildings....

Yes, I'm a smoker. Yes, I agree with the ban in restaurants....not so much in bars. I think bars should have special areas for smokers....and yes (surprise!!) I AM considerate of non-smokers, and I don't consider myself above most laws like someone generalized a few posts back....

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 28):
Smokers for some reason believe they are above most laws

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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:45 pm

I'm very anti smoking, purely for the fact smoking has killed 2 members of my family in the last 9 years. The smell makes me physically heave as well, so if somebody is smoking i have to move away (Unfortunately, lots of people still flaunt the ban so that's 99.9% of the time).

It's so much better being able to go to a restaurant and not feel like i'm breathing in concrete, i basically can't breathe around smokers because i'm asthmatic as it is. I wrote an essay on the pros and cons of smoking for my GCSE English coursework, i'll post it tomorrow because i don't have it on this laptop. (Not that anybody will be bothered to read it, but it scored me a B so it can't have been all that bad  Silly)
 
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:46 pm



Quoting N1120A (Reply 44):
The point behind this, unless you still believe the lies of Big Tobacco, is that secondhand smoke kills people and that people don't have a "right" to kill others.

First of all, I'd love for you to point out a single, medically-confirmed case of someone dying because of second-hand smoke (does it say that on the death certificate?).

Secondly, "murder" implies an intentional act that directly causes the death of another person. If the whole "second-hand smoke kills" was true, that would be an unintentional, indirect cause. Ergo, Straw Man.
 
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:58 pm

One of the critical reasons for smoking bans is to protect people who workplaces had heavy smoking, like with flight attendants on aircraft, or waiters/waitresses in restaurants from exposure to 2nd hand smoke with it's health issues. I do like the fact if I go to a bar or if working with a smoker, that I don't have to breathe that nasty smoke or get it in my hair and clothes.
 
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RE: Your Opinion On Smoking Bans

Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:07 am



Quoting Surfpunk (Reply 47):

First of all, I'd love for you to point out a single, medically-confirmed case of someone dying because of second-hand smoke

http://www.salsaweb.com/articles/ray_barretto_dies.htm

Quoting Surfpunk (Reply 47):

Secondly, "murder" implies an intentional act that directly causes the death of another person.

Actually, no. Murder is defined as the intentional, knowing or RECKLESS act that causes the death of another.
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