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Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:54 am

FIDEL Castro resigned today as president and commander in chief of Cuba, the online official press said.
More to come .....

bolt from the blue?

http://edition.cnn.com/
 
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:56 am

Yet he still lives.  bored 

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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:58 am

Adios Commandante. His brother Raul who has been basically running things for a year at least. Castro has been in seclusion since late 2006 I think. Nothing is going to change much, those people will still live in Communism.
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:59 am

Wow. I wonder if the country will now evolve out of the 1950's...  crossfingers 
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:00 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
Nothing is going to change much, those people will still live in Communism.

bit like the current situation in Russia..  Wink
 
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:00 am

i'd love to travel around that country before it changes. Maybe i should go soon.
 
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:13 am

Official media in Cuba are quoting Fidel Castro as saying he will not seek a new presidential term.

State run newspaper Granma quotes the leader as saying, "I will not aspire nor I will accept, the position of President of the Council of State and Commander-in-Chief."

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331149,00.html

Castro came into power in 1959 and has outlasted nine U.S. presidents.

[Edited 2008-02-19 00:17:04]
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:38 am



Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 6):
Official media in Cuba are quoting Fidel Castro as saying he will not seek a new presidential term.

Like the Cubans actually had a choice in the matter.  rotfl   rotfl 
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:40 am



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 3):
I wonder if the country will now evolve out of the 1950's...

Would moving into the 1960s be any better for Cuba?  bouncy 

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 6):
Castro came into power in 1959 and has outlasted nine U.S. presidents.

Well, to put things into prospective, we only allow our Presidents to stick around for a maximum of 8 years.

Now, how long before Raul gets to sick to run (down) the country? Who will he turn power over too?
 duck   duck   duck 

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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:45 am



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 3):
Wow. I wonder if the country will now evolve out of the 1950's...

Probably not.

Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 5):
i'd love to travel around that country before it changes. Maybe i should go soon

There is no rush. I doubt we will be seeing any changes any time soon. I mean Raul has basically been in charge and will probably stay in charge. No change.

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 7):
Like the Cubans actually had a choice in the matter.

Yea really.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 8):
Well, to put things into prospective, we only allow our Presidents to stick around for a maximum of 8 years.

"we" being the operative word there.
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:47 am



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 8):
Do you think now we can get hold of some "choice" '59 Chevies and '57 Ford Crown Vickys.

Nope.
Those owners are very proud of their cars and are not going to get rid of them.
What ever changes take place in Cuba, I hope it's by the people who live in Cuba and not the mobsters in south Florida.
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:47 am

Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 5):
i'd love to travel around that country before it changes. Maybe i should go soon.

I wonder if any of the travel restrictions would change . . . I'd imagine not, and all the policies towards Cuba will probably remain in effect, at least in the short term. There may be efforts to get Raul to consider more democratic policies with (in)Fidel out of the way. Probably won't work, though - hate to say it, but they'd need an insurrection there if they want to get rid of the current "elites".

[Edited 2008-02-19 00:49:27]
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:09 am

I am sure this announcement is part of a strategy to prepare the Cubans for Castro's death. He is probably dying now, and will be dead in a few days.

His brother is 76, so I believe we'll see more changes in the future, as Castro's goal was to have "a younger generation" running the country.

Interesting times.
 
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:10 am



Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 11):
I wonder if any of the travel restrictions would change . . . I'd imagine not, and all the policies towards Cuba will probably remain in effect, at least in the short term. There may be efforts to get Raul to consider more democratic policies with (in)Fidel out of the way. Probably won't work, though - hate to say it, but they'd need an insurrection there if they want to get rid of the current "elites".

no travel restrictions for me as a Canadian. We can go there freely as we want. Many of my friends have gone there, but they went on winter vacations and essentially went straight to the resorts and didnt leave until they had to go to the airport. I would rather travel around the country and experience the actual country, not some resort that could be reincarnated anywhere else in the Caribbean.

Reports are saying that they government will elect a new leader later this month. Is it expected that they will elect his brother, or someone new? Castro himself hinted that he kind of wanted someone younger to become el presidente.
 
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:21 am



Quoting AR385 (Reply 12):
I am sure this announcement is part of a strategy to prepare the Cubans for Castro's death. He is probably dying now, and will be dead in a few days.

Or, he is already dead...but it will be announced "officially" in a few days.  Wink

Has Fidel himself appeared on TV to do these announcements?

Could just be the usual misinformation that these sort of regimes are known for.
 
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:30 am



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 1):
Yet he still lives.

You may not agree with his politics, but isn't that a little far? Unlike most other communist countries, hasn't Cuba been closest to "pure communism / marxism"? From each what he is able, to each what he needs? I'm not aware of any gulag-style labour camps for political opponents, or KGB style secret police (do correct me if I'm wrong). Let's hope his resignation does pave the way for democratic elections in the near future.

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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:39 am



Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 11):
I'd imagine not, and all the policies towards Cuba will probably remain in effect, at least in the short term.

The US sanctions will remain in effect and their affect will be the same. The sanctions have achieved nothing in 50 years other than making the life of the average Cuban harder.
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:59 am



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 17):
The US sanctions will remain in effect and their affect will be the same. The sanctions have achieved nothing in 50 years other than making the life of the average Cuban harder.

 checkmark   checkmark 

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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:01 am



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 1):
Yet he still lives

If anyone said that about George Bush the post would last about 5 seconds . . .

While Cuba was an economic basked case 15 years ago, there seemed to be a genuine affection among the people for their leader, unlike the totalitarian regimes in Eastern Europe. They hated the system, but respected the man.

I found the people extraordinarily friendly, and I don't think I've ever seen such a healthy-looking nation in my life. And it was very safe. Hopefully things will change for the better now. The people of Cuba deserve it.
 
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:07 am



Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 19):
If anyone said that about George Bush the post would last about 5 seconds . . .

Probably. And it would be because people are way too freakin' sensitive, and can't stand other people having an opinion.

I don't care for the man, and I personally believe that, as long as he lives, it is a major obstacle to any type of progress for Cuba. It's simply my opinion, and if people are so damn offended by it, then they need to chill out and realize there are much more important things in life to get upset over.

In other words, they need to chill the f*ck out.

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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:10 am



Quoting Signol (Reply 16):
KGB style secret police (do correct me if I'm wrong)

Dead wrong.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:39 am



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 7):
Like the Cubans actually had a choice in the matter.

Yep. Castro is still the central figure, leader of Cuba just that Raul will be officially in charge. This has
been so for the past few years since Fidel's physical and mental health have gone south

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
I hope it's by the people who live in Cuba and not the mobsters in south Florida.

pff lmao oh yeah sure "mobsters"... because they don't approve of you going to take advantage of the cheap cuban hookers?  Wink

That's your view as a tourist check out how great it can be to live in Cuba:

Here's a video of one of the types of cells where Dr. Elias Biscet has been jailed, a christian doctor who was the first to publically question the government making him Cuba's most famous dissident. http://www.cubaverdad.net/a_cuban_punishment_cell.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_El%C3%ADas_Biscet
 
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:47 am



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 20):
And it would be because people are way too freakin' sensitive, and can't stand other people having an opinion.

I agree. There's too much censorship on this site. And people rush to the SD button at the drop of a hat.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 20):
It's simply my opinion, and if people are so damn offended by it, then they need to chill out and realize there are much more important things in life to get upset over.

Well, what happens, or does not happen, to Castro will have no effect whatsoever on my life, nor to I have any feelings, either positive or negative about the man, but I was just highlighting the hypocrisy on this site where one leader is fair game and another not.
 
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:59 am



Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 23):
but I was just highlighting the hypocrisy on this site where one leader is fair game and another not.

One is dictator, the other is not. Fair enough for me.
 
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:04 am



Quoting Signol (Reply 16):
Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 1):
Yet he still lives.

You may not agree with his politics, but isn't that a little far? Unlike most other communist countries, hasn't Cuba been closest to "pure communism / marxism"? From each what he is able, to each what he needs? I'm not aware of any gulag-style labour camps for political opponents, or KGB style secret police (do correct me if I'm wrong). Let's hope his resignation does pave the way for democratic elections in the near future.

Just because you're obviously ignorant about everything that goes on behind the scenes, doesn't mean these things don't go on. Socialism is dead in Cuba, has been dead for a while. Cuba is mostly a black market where people trade stuff to survive. Those in the government live like kings. I don't see how that can be "pure marxism". It's a pure communist dictatorship though.

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 17):
The US sanctions will remain in effect and their affect will be the same. The sanctions have achieved nothing in 50 years other than making the life of the average Cuban harder.

 checkmark  I agree. Could Cuba be like China is now w/out sanctions? Likely, but Castro has been very stubborn himself, unlike the chinese. He's hated the US almost as much as the Islamists hate Israel.
 
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:07 am



Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 24):
One is dictator, the other is not. Fair enough for me.

Both have left their countries in a mess.  Big grin And I wonder which is the more popular . . . what was GWB's last approval rating?
 
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:33 am



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 25):
Just because you're obviously ignorant about everything that goes on behind the scenes, doesn't mean these things don't go on.

Sorry to stir up the hornets' nest. I'll readily admit I know little about Cuba, mostly coming from a biography of Che Guavara and various Holiday type travel TV shows. Please do enlighten me about the things I don't know, I'm willing to learn!

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 21):
Dead wrong.

In both cases, please provide sources.

Thanks

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Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:40 am



Quoting AR385 (Reply 12):
as Castro's goal was to have "a younger generation" running the country.

Yeah. Hopefully it will be a younger generation that is a democracy.
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:53 am

They both have to quit and leave and it will still be status quo. They have installed a military infrastructure that handles all the main commerce on the island. This will do nothing for the quality of life or the freedom of the Cuban people.
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:36 pm

At I believe 80 years old or so and in poor health, it is just a matter of time for Fidel's demise. As previously noted, his brother Raul has been the de facto dictator of Cuba for the last 2 or so years. He is only slightly younger than Fidel, so he probably won't be in power much longer either. His resignation as head of state is due to the Communist party of Cuba and the government they control apparently has to renew every 5 years his authority as head of state. Nothing will change until both Fidel and Raul are dead and other changes take place.

Quoting Signol (Reply 27):
Sorry to stir up the hornet's nest. I'll readily admit I know little about Cuba, mostly coming from a biography of Che Guevara and various Holiday type travel TV shows. Please do enlighten me about the things I don't know, I'm willing to learn!

For almost 50 years, Fidel Castro has been the de facto Dictator of Cuba. he came to power in response to over 60 years of Cuba as a political and economic colony of the USA. The USA got control of Cuba (along with Puerto Rico and the Philippines) as a result of winning the Spanish American war of the late 1890's. Puerto Rico is still a territory of the USA. Cuba was given it's freedom in the mid-1920's and the Philippines just after WW II. Even after Cuba was given it's political freedom to be a separate country, the USA government still had major political influence there, supporting horrible leaders which were effectively dictators who let USA companies and the Mafia have virtually no regulation there and control the economy. I believe the now Infamous Guantanamo Bay US Military Base was established during our control of Cuba as a territory of the USA.
The tremendous control of the politics and economy of Cuba by the USA, combined with the dictatorial rule of Cuba with many political prisoners and killings to keep dissidents in control led to a growing hatred of the USA by the common people of Cuba. This led to groups of opposition, including one led by Fidel Castro. He gained enough support for his 'revolution' and got enough control of the army, and others to overthrow the country and by the early 1960's create a Communist state, taking over all private property (especially owned by USA interests), nationalizing business and industry and getting friendly with Cold War power and enemy of the USA, the USSR. Castro then created a government of hatred toward the USA. As a result, the USA barley recognized the Castro government as legitimate, cut off all but a tiny amount of trade and took the hard line polices we still have today. This became the worst when in the early 1960's when Cuba was to allow the USSR to place nuke missiles in Cuba - only 90 miles from Florida setting up the Cuban Missile Crises. Castro also killed and jailed any dissidents against his government, ran a government requiring total allegiance to to him, a system of secret police that rats on dissidents to control them. Over the years, the USA has allowed probably a couple million Cubans to arrive in the USA with minimal restrictions until about the mid-1990's and even today if a Cuban could get to dry land in the USA before caught by authorities, they can stay adding to the Cuban ethnic communities of the USA, mainly in the Miami area. Some also managed to escape to Spain and Mexico.
The policies of both countries has become very fixed, and continued from pressure from the Cuban community upon all politicians has kept it and led to even tighter controls as to USA citizen ex-cuban and tourist to travel to as well as any trade with Cuba. There has been some good from the Castro era of Cuba, most notably as to a very high rate of literacy and until recently a good basic health care system. Since the fall of the USSR there has been some liberalization of trade and tourism to bring in necessary money. Raul has been much less an ideologue as to economic liberation than Fidel, although USA companies are still banned from investment there. For access to oil, they have done deals with the Chavez dictatorship of Venezuela. Problem is that the infrastructure of Cuba is now in deep decline from years of a weak and too centralized economy.
It will be interesting to see what will happen when Castro and Raul die.
 
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:07 pm



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 30):

Thanks  Smile

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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:56 pm

Apparently he survived something like 600 assassination attempts in 49 years as well as almost outlasting 10 US presidents.

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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:00 pm

What this old fart should do is croak! He has brought nothing but misery to the Cuban people.
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:05 pm

I think Fidel's "announcement" (could be a ghost-writer for all we know) simply codifies a situation that has been in place pretty much since when he went under the knife back in mid 2006.

One possible opening that could lead to some type of political reform is the economic restructuring that is rumored to be in the works.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 25):
It's a pure communist dictatorship though.

As much as I disagree with 707 on other things Cuban, I have to concur with his assessment. Having been to Cuba for both official journalistic business and pleasure, the thing that jumps out at you is the type of apartheid that exists between Cubans and tourists/members of the political elite.

For example, ordinary Cubans are not allowed in tourist hotels. There are separate currencies (with separate values) for tourists and Cubans. Tourists can shop in dollar-only "diplo-stores" where you can get anything from Perrier to Corn Flakes. Cubans get ration cards to shop at local markets where if they're lucky they can maybe find some rice, beans, coffee, and cigarettes.

The "hustler" culture is overwhelming. I had people literally ask me for the shirt off my back.

Government presence and control is inescapable. I was told by a fellow journalist not to even try to interview dissidents (even though I was there to cover a baseball game), or I would be thrown off the island immediately. Other colleagues told me to assume that all parts of my hotel were bugged.

Of all the Cubans I talked to, I met only one that had an e-mail address -- and he was the "handler" assigned to me by the Foreign Ministry.

Opposition leaders like the courageous Dr. Biscet are not only subject to government (physical) harassment, but to internment in notorious Soviet-style "psychiatric hospitals".

That said, if the mighty Cuban-American National Foundation in Miami is looking for its worst enemy as far as bringing genuine democracy to Cuba, it need only look in the mirror.

Apparently our right-wing Cuban-American friends haven't gotten to the part of the American Civics 101 textbook that states that telling people where they can and cannot travel, or where they can and cannot spend their money, and to cloak such absurdity behind the sheen of law is more Soviet than American.

Let's face it, an American citizen can legally travel to a country whose regime was responsible for the deaths of more than 56,000 US servicemen (Vietnam), to a country whose regime brutally mowed down pro-democracy demonstrators in 1989 (China), or to a country where women are not allowed to drive and Christians are not allowed to publicly wear a cross (Saudi Arabia). But Americans can't legally travel to Cuba. I guess money talks and bullshit runs the marathon.
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Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:21 pm



Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 6):
Castro came into power in 1959 and has outlasted nine U.S. presidents.

So has Senator Bryrd of West Virgina. The difference is in how the votes are counted.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
Those owners are very proud of their cars and are not going to get rid of them.

I thought there was actually a national law that does not allow them to be exported.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
What ever changes take place in Cuba, I hope it's by the people who live in Cuba and not the mobsters in south Florida.

Of course it wasn't mobsters that swept into power in 1959? No one from the Castro regime forced anyone to just give up their property or business? No one was put in prison simply because they didn't agree with the Castro government. Free press rules the day and has since Castro took power in Cuba right? People were rafting the Florida straights in 1958 right?
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:43 pm

Fidel will not seek for another term, but Raúl is still there [and both alive]. Raúl is just another dictator.

Quoting Helvknight (Reply 32):
Apparently he survived something like 600 assassination attempts in 49 years as well as almost outlasting 10 US presidents.

And no one has good luck with his target [I'm talking about Castro exclusively].
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:47 pm



Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 5):
i'd love to travel around that country before it changes. Maybe i should go soon.

I was in Cuba in January. It wanted to go before Castro kicked the bucket. However it's clear that things on the ground will not chn age much anytime soon. It was awesome by the way.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 8):
Do you think now we can get hold of some "choice" '59 Chevies and '57 Ford Crown Vickys. bigthumbsup

Lot's of old school beauties for you to try poach. In Varadero I saw 1950s American cars next to 1970 Russian cars next to a 2007 Audi A4. Quite the eclectic mix.

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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:25 pm



Quoting OA260 (Reply 18):
I have been to Cuba many times and travelled all over the country. Its a wonderful place. Go soon before it becomes an extension of Florida !!!

Why? Florida is an extension of Cuba, haha...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/19/us.castro/index.html

Great. The embargo will remain yet Bush is talking in his Wilsonian platitudes again about freedom and liberty being on the march.

The BEST thing that could happen is if the next President ends the Cuban embargo on the FIRST day of office via Executive Order.

The only way they will know freedom is by knocking down the economic walls from within. Then the tidal wave of freedom will truly happen. They will revolt. And Fidel, Raul or whoever the hell else better hit the bricks.
 
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:25 pm

The big story that isn't told is that if Cuba goes through some sort of economic or democratic reform, there will be a BIG surprise when many exiles return to Cuba and expect to 'reclaim' any property....
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:34 pm



Quoting B4REAL (Reply 42):
there will be a BIG surprise when many exiles return to Cuba and expect to 'reclaim' any property....

Does anybody honestly think that the exiles will leave their comfortable existence in Miami to start from scratch in Cuba?
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:41 pm



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 40):
The large number of Cubans that have risked (and often lost) their lives taking to the seas in homemade rafts in efforts to escape should tell you what you need to know.

My point was, wishing someone dead is a bit harsh... surely wishing them out of power to be able to be able to do the same again is better?

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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:42 pm



Quoting Santosdumont (Reply 43):
Does anybody honestly think that the exiles will leave their comfortable existence in Miami to start from scratch in Cuba?

One of my friends at work left Cuba in 1960, and I asked him that question. He believes quite a few will. He thinks some of the younger ones will, because he thinks they'll want to be the future of Cuba, even though they never have been there. But he has no love for the ones who have been crying over Cuba all these years, but have no intention of returning.

I hope, with this step, the U.S. will reach out to Cuba and start to establish some ties with that nation. With Fidel basically gone, it's time to end that ridiculous embargo, start allowing American companies to start getting a foothold into Cuba-especially those in the tourism industry, and end Cuba's isolation. There has been no good reason since 1990 for the embargo, after the fall of the USSR, and it's just throwback politics to keep it up now.
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:43 pm

Quoting Santosdumont (Reply 43):
Does anybody honestly think that the exiles will leave their comfortable existence in Miami to start from scratch in Cuba?

Not I, despite the pseudo-patriotism you hear for the "mother land" by many exilees.

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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:01 pm



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 45):
the U.S. will reach out to Cuba and start to establish some ties with that nation

doubtful
 
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:04 pm



Quoting FXramper (Reply 47):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 45):
the U.S. will reach out to Cuba and start to establish some ties with that nation

doubtful

First, put the whole quote in, where I said "I hope".

Second, it won't happen under Mr. Bush, we can be sure of that. He's too lost in the past. I am hopeful that if Obama is elected, that the steps will begin. There is no logical reason now to keep the U.S. and Cuba isolated from each other. Castro will soon be dead. And Obama, if elected, should start the process of normalizing relations with Cuba. It will be good for both nations. Time to end the Cold War in this hemisphere.
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:14 pm

One Castro leaves, the next comes into power...Raul has been running the country for over a year now, so I don't see much change coming until he's gone.
 
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:15 pm



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 48):
I am hopeful that if Obama is elected, that the steps will begin. There is no logical reason now to keep the U.S. and Cuba isolated from each other. Castro will soon be dead. And Obama, if elected, should start the process of normalizing relations with Cuba. It will be good for both nations. Time to end the Cold War in this hemisphere.

What are your thoughts on McCain normalizing relations, given his record of pressing for normalization of relations with Vietnam?
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:17 pm



Quoting Slider (Reply 41):
Why? Florida is an extension of Cuba, haha...

Correction, south Florida is, north Florida is an extension of Alabama and Georgia. Middle Florida is an extension of Yankeedom.

Quoting Santosdumont (Reply 43):
Does anybody honestly think that the exiles will leave their comfortable existence in Miami to start from scratch in Cuba?

They wouldn't be starting from scratch. They would have all the money and assets they have built up in the States backing them up which, even if it is a modest checking account, would put them in front of Cubans who have lived in Cuba all their lives.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 45):
I hope, with this step, the U.S. will reach out to Cuba and start to establish some ties with that nation.

Why? Has Raul shown he is any different than his brother Fidel? When he declares they will have a free and open press, along with free and fair elections in which the opposition is not suppressed, then I can see opening ties.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 45):
start allowing American companies to start getting a foothold into Cuba-

Isn't that partly the reason that Castro came to power? To kick out the bad American companies that were exploiting the Cuban working class?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 45):
There has been no good reason since 1990 for the embargo,

There hasn't been any good reason to stop it. The Cuban leaders could end it tomorrow is they wished. If they truly believe that the people believe it is such a workers paradise, they shouldn't have a problem with an open election and running on their record.

The real party will be the day that Castro is declared dead. Little Havana will erupt when that news is confirmed.
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:18 pm



Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 50):
What are your thoughts on McCain normalizing relations, given his record of pressing for normalization of relations with Vietnam?

Can't see it. At least not in a first term. He'll stick to the old hard conservative line on Cuba-at least through his first term. If he would be elected to a second, I would think Fidel would be dead by then, and, with no more elections to win, McCain might start the process after 2013.
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RE: Castro Quits

Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:25 pm



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 51):
Why? Has Raul shown he is any different than his brother Fidel?

And what freaking good does it do, RJ, to keep the sanctions on? It serves no purpose, except to suck the political penis of the South Florida Cubans. That's all it's there for. The rest of the world is in Cuba, so why are we still holding on to something that happened in 1960? Hell, we didn't even sanction the USSR after it put missiles in Cuba, and yet we STILL have this pissant embargo against them. Their "exporting the revolution" days are over; they aren't a threat to anyone. Hell, China is a much more evil regime than Cuba, and we trade with them.

It's just stupidity. Nothing more, nothing less. A relic from an era that is gone. Get over the past, already. Oh, I forgot-conservatives want to hold on to the past.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 51):
There hasn't been any good reason to stop it.

Listen to yourself! There's EVERY good reason-it's not NEEDED anymore! So Raul is there. Big hairy fucking deal! What does he lead? A military that is a shadow of what it was; you want to continue an embargo, on a very poor nation, for TWO MEN? What the heck is wrong with you?  rotf 

It's that kind of thinking that has the rest of the world laughing their asses off at us. How pathetic!
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