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Commander Of Entebbe Raid Dies

Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:28 am

The man who led one of the most spectacular military rescue missions of the 20th Century has died.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/26/shomron.dead.ap/index.html

Salute to the service he rendered to his nation, and for that daring rescue of his citizens taken hostage by terrorists. A hero to be sure.
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RE: Commander Of Entebbe Raid Dies

Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:31 am

Now was he boots on the ground, or was he overseeing the operation from that DC-8 commo bird?

Either way, he did show us how to fight terrorism.

Israel is pretty good about doing that in general.
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RE: Commander Of Entebbe Raid Dies

Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:37 am



Quoting L-188 (Reply 1):
Now was he boots on the ground, or was he overseeing the operation from that DC-8 commo bird?

According to this account of the operation, he was boots on the ground.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Entebbe
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RE: Commander Of Entebbe Raid Dies

Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:47 am



Quoting L-188 (Reply 1):
Now was he boots on the ground, or was he overseeing the operation from that DC-8 commo bird?

I don't think he wasn't on the ground. IC on the ground was Benjamin Netanyahu's brother, who died in the raid.

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RE: Commander Of Entebbe Raid Dies

Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:22 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
According to this account of the operation, he was boots on the ground

I think you might be correct.

A couple of weeks ago I picked up a copy of "Operation Thunderbolt" which was the Israeli movie version of what happend (Begin, Peres and about 12 of the hostages are in it).

I looked and I think the guy that played him might be on the ground in the film.

I don't see the Israeli film industry screwing up that detail in 1977
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RE: Commander Of Entebbe Raid Dies

Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:06 pm



Quoting YOWza (Reply 3):
I don't think he wasn't on the ground. IC on the ground was Benjamin Netanyahu's brother, who died in the raid.

The ground commander and the assault commander were two different people. Yonni Netanyahu was the assault commander for the unit performing the terminal/hostage snatch but there was an overall commander on the ground (Dan Shomron, the soldier in the topic) who was in overall command of the air and ground components once the assault started and he was the main planner for the operation. There was also an air commander (in charge of the aircraft that landed) and another group in charge of destroying fighters on the ground that could give chase as well as prevent reinforcements from entering the airport grounds.

Dan Shomron was a soldier and a damned fine one.

May he rest in peace.
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RE: Commander Of Entebbe Raid Dies

Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:38 pm



Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
The man who led one of the most spectacular military rescue missions of the 20th Century has died.

Boy have times changed. If you jump forward to the present day, you'd be criticizing the man for not affording the terrorist due process before summarily executing them. You'd demand that he be charged with violations of the Geneva convention and sent the Hague for trial.

The Israelis used to know how to deal with terrorist. Terminate with extreme prejudice. God speed Dan Shomron.
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RE: Commander Of Entebbe Raid Dies

Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:42 pm

This man's story, mirrors that of the army he served.
The IDF had a superb reputation, the lightning attack in 1967, the dogged defence and counter attack after Israel was caught napping in 1973, then to the raid on Entebbe.
(Which undermined, fatally in the end, the vile regime of Idi Amin).

Then to the not so glorious times, Lebanon in 1982, the Intifada on and off since 1987, the latter would be a blight on this man's later service, though in that sense, he was far from alone.
I suspect he was not too thrilled at the operation in Lebanon in 2006 either.

But, he'll be rightly remembered for Entebbe.
This was the first in a wave of significant reverses, of the direct action kind, for terrorism as it blighted the 1970's.
It would be followed by the German GSG-9 ending the LH hijacking at Mogadishu the next year, then in London in 1980, when the SAS ended a siege by terrorists at the Iranian embassy.
 
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RE: Commander Of Entebbe Raid Dies

Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:24 pm



Quoting GDB (Reply 7):
It would be followed by the German GSG-9 ending the LH hijacking at Mogadishu

Ummmm. Didn't the Germans specifically call for British SAS help on that one. I watch a show last night saying that the two guys first in the door (actually the wing exits) were British SAS commandos with flash-bangs.
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RE: Commander Of Entebbe Raid Dies

Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:33 pm



Quoting GDB (Reply 7):
suspect he was not too thrilled at the operation in Lebanon in 2006 either.

He was appointed to be the chief of the review commission for that operation.

Quoting Pope (Reply 8):
I watch a show last night saying that the two guys first in the door (actually the wing exits) were British SAS commandos with flash-bangs.

The SAS operators were supposedly operating the commo outside the aircraft, while the GSG9 operators were the ones who went in. GSG9 had SEAL Team 6 advisors as well. They were interested in making sure that they had the benefit of any experienced hands in this operation, and it speaks well of their commander that he sought the help. THat said they conducted the operation with their team inside the airplane according to everything I've read on the op.
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RE: Commander Of Entebbe Raid Dies

Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:38 pm

IIRC, didn't Idi Amin accused the Israelis of using nuclear hand grenades during the raid?
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RE: Commander Of Entebbe Raid Dies

Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:54 am



Quoting DL021 (Reply 9):
They were interested in making sure that they had the benefit of any experienced hands in this operation, and it speaks well of their commander that he sought the help. THat said they conducted the operation with their team inside the airplane according to everything I've read on the

A lesson learned from the catastrophic failure of the raid on the terrorists during the Munich Olympics. Israel offered their experience and troops to handle the liberation of the hostages. The authorities denied which led to the blood shed at Fuerstenfeldbruck AB.

And to the formation of the GSG9.
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RE: Commander Of Entebbe Raid Dies

Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:28 pm

As stated, GSG-9 was a result of Munich in 1972.
This elite force, was a big step for Germany, with all the history.
The 1977 operation was down to them, sure they had some advice/technical support from other more experienced SF units.
(Since the SAS, from forming the Counter Revolutionary Warfare section in 1973, really pioneered this sort of thing, so had visits, exchanges, gave technical help and advice, to a range of other nation's SF units, including US ones. The traning facilities at their base in Hereford, like the 'Killing House' would be much visited by allies. Even before they proved this role in London in 1980, which brought them to much wider attention).
 
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RE: Commander Of Entebbe Raid Dies

Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:16 am

I was just watching this the other night - its 52 mins long to warn you, but is very well done, has some clips from the film and has a lot of good info, though its probably somewhat biased as produced in Israel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3dEX4yYXts

All of those guys are heroes nonetheless.

Some questions I had - what happened to the AF A300 and what type did BA use in 77?? Also thought it strange BA passengers transit the airport freely while there are hostages holed up...
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RE: Commander Of Entebbe Raid Dies

Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:57 am



Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 13):
Some questions I had - what happened to the AF A300 and what type did BA use in 77?? Also thought it strange BA passengers transit the airport freely while there are hostages holed up...

I believed the A300 aircraft was eventually ferryed back to France, and the BA flight back then was a 707. The BA flight used another terminal, not the one the AF hostages were held in. The terminal used by the hostages were in the old terminal on the opposite side of th airfield
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RE: Commander Of Entebbe Raid Dies

Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:36 am

Damn, this is one hell of a shock! I've read many accounts of GEN Shomron's actions throughout the years. What a truly great Soldier.

On the Entebbe raid, Jonathan "Yonni" Netanyahu was the strike force commander and after he was killed, his deputy, Muki Betzer took over and finished the operation. While GEN Shomron was the overall commander, I have been told by Israeli friends that he was in an aircraft during the operation.

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RE: Commander Of Entebbe Raid Dies

Sat Mar 01, 2008 2:33 pm



Quoting Fridgmus (Reply 15):
Rest In Peace Aluf Shomron

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RE: Commander Of Entebbe Raid Dies

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Quoting Avi (Reply 16):

My apologies, thanks Avi.
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