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The Lisbon Treaty! Yes Or No?

Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:06 am

Ok so with a referendum coming up in Ireland on the Lisbon treaty who else is holding a vote and who is for and against it ????

I was reading this yesterday which prompted me to think :::

http://www.anfearrua.com/db.asp?a=topicdisplay&tid=429454

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0206/eu.html

A leading opponent of the Lisbon Treaty is to take legal advice on whether the Government is misusing public funds to support the 'yes' side in the forthcoming referendum.

Patricia McKenna, chairperson of the People's Movement, which is opposing the treaty, told RTÉ News she believes the Government is showing 'complete contempt' for decisions by the Supreme Court on this issue.

In 1995, when she was a Green Party MEP, Ms McKenna won a Supreme Court case which banned the use of State funds to promote one side in a referendum campaign.

AdvertisementBut this afternoon, Minister for Foreign Affairs Dermot Ahern said the Government's 'strong' legal advice from the Attorney General was that the McKenna judgment did not apply until referendum legislation had been passed by the Dáil and Seanad, and signed into law by the President.

Minister Ahern acknowledged that some organisations took a more conservative view, but that was the legal advice the Government was operating under.



http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0131/eu.html

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0220/eulisbon.html
 
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RE: The Lisbon Treaty! Yes Or No?

Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:12 pm

Ireland is the only country that has to hold a referendum on this, as per our constitution. All other countries governments have already agreed to it, only Ireland will be voting. Therefore, our decision is very important.

Overall, I like the proposals and think the no side has a very weak argument. Fear scaremongering mostly.
 
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RE: The Lisbon Treaty! Yes Or No?

Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:26 pm

Oh ok . I wonder why Ireland was the only one ??? Why didn't Spain/Portugal etc.... have referendums???
 
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RE: The Lisbon Treaty! Yes Or No?

Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:30 pm

The only thing good about the Lisbon treaty is the city it was signed in... I certainly hope my hometown does not get permanently associated with this betrayal of the citizens of Europe.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
Why didn't Spain/Portugal etc.... have referendums???

Because our politicians are afraid of their own people. You see, politicians, as a rule, absolutely hate any type of referendum, as they feel it interferes with their God-given right to do whatever they want with the vote that was given to them. Any politician, in any country, will only hold a referendum if he absolutely has to, and in the case of Portugal they basically changed the meaning of a promess the Prime Minister had made during his campaign.
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RE: The Lisbon Treaty! Yes Or No?

Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:33 am

The Lisbon Treaty was carefully designed so that the lowest possible number of countries were obliged to have a referendum on it.

It's the watered-down outcome of the failed constitution. If I was Irish, I might vote "no" just for the heck of it.
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