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Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:58 am

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gEOpkeLopJixolK1-9AQ_zNeWe5g

JERUSALEM (AFP) - High on Mount Sinai, Moses was on psychedelic drugs when he heard God deliver the Ten Commandments, an Israeli researcher claimed in a study published this week.

Such mind-altering substances formed an integral part of the religious rites of Israelites in biblical times, Benny Shanon, a professor of cognitive psychology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem wrote in the Time and Mind journal of philosophy.
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He said the psychedelic effects of ayahuasca were comparable to those produced by concoctions based on bark of the acacia tree, that is frequently mentioned in the Bible.


Is it all fevered imagination or did it really happen?
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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:04 pm

If you take too much of them at one time....yes  Wink Big grin
 
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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:11 pm



Quoting Oly720man (Thread starter):
Is it all fevered imagination or did it really happen?

What he says is perfectly plausible. I'd go for this rather than any supernatural explanation. Somehow I don't think a lot of people will be buying it though . . .
 
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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:33 pm

To be honest drugs normally help me find the floor more so than god.
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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:42 pm



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 3):
To be honest drugs normally help me find the floor more so than god.

that's a shame, waste of a perfectly good high.

Quoting Oly720man (Thread starter):
Is it all fevered imagination or did it really happen?

has it happened since?  Smile
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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:21 pm



Quoting Stlgph (Reply 4):
has it happened since?

I'm not aware of further commandments... well apart from the recent and oft contested "thou shall not point thy camera at yonder sky chariot"
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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:39 pm



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 3):
To be honest drugs normally help me find the floor more so than god.

Myt, you have to go in the hat for the most honest post of the year. It certainly seems to be what happens with alcohol down under. Then again, it is difficult living upside down. Big grin
 
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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:41 pm

I think prison is the place most people find God, or at least that is what they say at the parole hearing.
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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:43 pm



Quoting Oly720man (Thread starter):
Such mind-altering substances formed an integral part of the religious rites of Israelites in biblical times

This may very well be the final answer to the subject of religion altogether...  Smile

Kay
 
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Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:56 pm



Quoting Kay (Reply 8):
Quoting Oly720man (Thread starter):
Such mind-altering substances formed an integral part of the religious rites of Israelites in biblical times

This may very well be the final answer to the subject of religion altogether..

Or then again there is Geriniol:

"The Dangers Of Gerin Oil

Richard Dawkins writes about a dangerous drug: Opiate of the masses.

Gerin oil (or Geriniol to give it its scientific name) is a powerful drug which acts directly on the central nervous system to produce a range of characteristic symptoms, often of an antisocial or self- damaging nature. If administered chronically in childhood, Gerin oil can permanently modify the brain to produce adult disorders, including dangerous delusions which have proved very hard to treat.

The four doomed flights of 11th September were, in a very real sense, Gerin oil trips: all 19 of the hijackers were high on the drug at the time. Historically, Geriniol intoxication was responsible for atrocities such as the Salem witch hunts and the massacres of native South Americans by conquistadores. Gerin oil fuelled most of the wars of the European middle ages and, in more recent times, the carnage that attended the partitioning of the Indian subcontinent and, on a smaller scale, Ireland.

If you're not familiar with Gerin Oil, read more about it here."
 
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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:12 pm

I don't know about God but my girlfriend's zipper has helped me find the Promised Land.
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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:37 pm

Lenny Bruce once supposedly said about his drug addiction:

I'll die young but it's like kissing God.

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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:43 pm



Quoting Kay (Reply 8):
This may very well be the final answer to the subject of religion altogether...

Oh, so all the effects I have personally seen of God working in my life or other people's lives is just all of us being high together, eh?

Nah - you know what you said isn't true.

I've got a fire hose by me to put myself out after I catch on fire from the flaming to ensue.
 
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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:57 pm



Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 12):
Oh, so all the effects I have personally seen of God working in my life or other people's lives is just all of us being high together, eh?

I respect your opinion, many of my close ones have exactly the same. Since I am sceptical, yes I have strong suspiscions sometimes that what was written so many years ago is not entirely true and distorted with time.

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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:15 pm



Quoting Baroque (Reply 9):
all 19 of the hijackers were high on the drug at the time.

And Dawkins knows this...how?
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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:07 pm



Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 14):
And Dawkins knows this...how?

Ummm...Geriniol is an anagram of religion...
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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:39 pm

Did we really need a professor to tell us that they were all absolutely off their faces when this religion thing was dreamt up? Perhaps now The Life of Brian should be re-written with a few added mind altering scenes  silly 


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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:37 pm



Quoting N229NW (Reply 15):
Ummm...Geriniol is an anagram of religion...

My first thought was that it was time (aging, geriatric..)
 
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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:47 pm



Quoting Oly720man (Thread starter):

Interesting, though some are going to say that if it's true then God created it so that we could "see the light".

The "drug" that got me closest to "finding God" was Sub-atomic Physics. It just got so weird that, from time to time, I'd put the books down and decide that if I just believed "God did it" I wouldn't have to hurt my brain so much. Ultimately, however, it didn't prove to be as strong as Geriniol, which I haven't taken since I was about 12.
 
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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:51 pm



Quoting N229NW (Reply 15):

Thanks...for the answer, and the vague tinge of sarcasm in the reply.
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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:07 am



Quoting N229NW (Reply 15):
Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 14):
And Dawkins knows this...how?

Ummm...Geriniol is an anagram of religion...



Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 19):
Quoting N229NW (Reply 15):

Thanks...for the answer, and the vague tinge of sarcasm in the reply.

There is of course an argument that the Sept 11 lot were not in fact on Geriniol but a cheap and dangerous synthetic substitute. That is a matter for concern and debate. On the link posted, the last word in the quotation given "here" is a link to more on the topic.
 
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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:25 am

No, I do not take drugs. So that is my final answer.

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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:54 am



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 10):
I don't know about God but my girlfriend's zipper has helped me find the Promised Land.

What you need to drug up your woman before the fun begins? Come on Foils  Wink
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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:39 am

I have never done drugs. That's probably why I've never found God. Hopefully He finds me when I kark it.  Smile

I'm still looking, though. Does it mean that I should start smoking pot?
 
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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:53 am



Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 23):

I'm still looking, though. Does it mean that I should start smoking pot?

No, keep away and he will find you faster than you know it.

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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:50 am

Hey, maybe He has already found me but wants to make a surprise.

As Kenny says in the eponymous movie, I cannot really say I believe in God because I have not met Him. But you can be sure that the day He introduces Himself to me, He will have my fullest attention.

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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:26 pm

Well WunalaYann, you will know when he has. I certainly did.

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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:39 pm



Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 23):
I have never done drugs. That's probably why I've never found God.

According to the news tonight WunalaY now is your chance, courtesy of Mr Howard and Mr Bush. Record amounts of heroin coming into Australia from Afghanistan and evidently Afghani production last year was about twice world demand* (not sure if that includes the amounts "confiscated" by the police or not). So now is your chance to get God on the cheap. Me, I hope you stay a heathen/agnostic/atheist as you choose.

* How on earth do you work out what world wide demand for heroin is (in tonnes)?
 
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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:59 pm



Quoting Baroque (Reply 27):
According to the news tonight WunalaY now is your chance

I shall pass on this, um, golden opportunity...  Wink

Quoting Baroque (Reply 27):
How on earth do you work out what world wide demand for heroin is (in tonnes)?

By looking at the dates of the next Snoop Dog concerts.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 27):
agnostic

That's me. As Simon Pegg says in Hot Fuzz, I am open to the concept of religion but not completely convinced yet.  Smile
 
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RE: Do Drugs Help You Find God?

Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:38 pm



Quoting Baroque (Reply 27):
* How on earth do you work out what world wide demand for heroin is (in tonnes)?

Rough estimates? When the price on the streets starts to fall, you know the market is being saturated. That's just my guess.

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