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Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:00 pm

Hi guys !

Here in Germany we have a pretty big problem with our National Pride , in some way it's forbidden because of the Nazi Regime to show any form of National Pride ( Not by law - but by the Society) . if you see countries like the US or France with a very big national Pride ,
i find it sad that we Germans , don't have this "right" .

But I see it with myself .. I have problems with my conscience when I say I'm a proud German !

I remember the Soccer World cup , everywhere German Flags , but my Father refused to take a Flag into his hand , he was born during the 2WW , it was an impossible thing for him to show a pride for Germany !


What do non Germans think about German Pride , is there a Problem for you when Germans say that they're proud ?And do you think Germans have good reasons to be proud , or is the History too fatal ?

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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:10 pm

Absolutely. I think it is very important to be proud of your country and your fellow people.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
What do non Germans think about German Pride , is there a Problem for you when Germans say that they're proud ?And do you think Germans have good reasons to be proud , or is the History too fatal ?

I am German myself and recently found out so I am very proud to have German pride and to show it I will change my flag over to germany.

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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:11 pm

Yeah, you can be proud of being German, just make sure your pride doesn't include any religious or ethnic hatred.  Wink

Germans today dislike nationalism for obvious reasons, but I think really once the people who were born during or before WWII stop living Germans sense of pride towards their country will return.
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:12 pm

I say be proud of it. The people who gassed 4,000,000 Jews at Auschwitz are the ones who should be ashamed, nobody blames you personally for that.
 
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:25 pm

There is nothing wrong about identifying with your (our) country, or expressing your appreciation for it.

I'm just rather suspicious of the term "pride" in this particular context, as it usually transitions seamlessly into chauvinism and nationalism. And we don't just have to look at the Third Reich to see that that's not a direction which actually does a country any good.
 
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:28 pm

A clear yes on that question and a simple explanation for that, let's just behave normal-.

Normal means, people are proud of their country. We have every reason to, so just let's not worry too much.
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:34 pm

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
Can I Be Proud Of Being German?  

Lets rephrase that question Konstantin: Can the Germans be proud of you ?

[Edited 2008-03-08 07:54:48]
 
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:50 pm



Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
Hi guys !

Here in Germany we have a pretty big problem with our National Pride , in some way it's forbidden because of the Nazi Regime to show any form of National Pride ( Not by law - but by the Society) . if you see countries like the US or France with a very big national Pride ,
i find it sad that we Germans , don't have this "right" .

But I see it with myself .. I have problems with my conscience when I say I'm a proud German !

I remember the Soccer World cup , everywhere German Flags , but my Father refused to take a Flag into his hand , he was born during the 2WW , it was an impossible thing for him to show a pride for Germany !


What do non Germans think about German Pride , is there a Problem for you when Germans say that they're proud ?And do you think Germans have good reasons to be proud , or is the History too fatal ?

Constantin

It's okay and normal to feel proud of your country. WW2 was a long time ago, and you weren't involved in it.

Don't be ashamed of it - being proud of your country doesn't equate to extremism or nationalism as in the old days.
 
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:51 pm



Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 6):
Can the Germans be proud of you ?

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Seriously, why ask? You are not proud who you are? It is sad when you feel that you (as German) can not express your national pride. I may get flamed for this, but what happened 60+ years back should not stop you to be proud of your country. Germany has progressed since and I see no reason why there should not be German flags flying and people be proud to be German.

People should learn from the past so it never gets repeated, but be proud of your nation!

Having spend quite some time in the US, they are very proud of their nation. There are flags flying, signs and other media that make you feel proud to be an American. In the UK it is the same, people from England are proud to be English, people from Wales are proud Welsh and people from Scotland are proud to be Scottish. So why not to be proud German?

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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:52 pm

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 1):
I am German myself

Ummm, except you've probably never been there, probably don't speak German and probably couldn't find it on a map   Gotta love Hyphen-Americans.  

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 3):
Germans today dislike nationalism for obvious reasons,

Everyone dislikes nationalism for obvious reasons. Germany has a particular past to deal with and that's hard, but as an object lesson in the perils of unbridled nationalism, Germany's history is unbeatable.

The concept of national pride is one I have trouble grasping. Being pleased to German, or American, or French, or whatever, because of the benefits it bestows makes a lot of sense, and so is being keen to share the belief that these benefits should be appreciated by others - but taking vicarious pride in the achievement of other people who happen by accident of birth to share the same nationality, is nonsensical. I am by birth English, and there is a lot about being English that I really like. I love the language, I find the history fascinating, I appreciate the quirky culture - but should I be proud of William Shakespeare, or Lord Nelson, or Winston Churchill ? I'm pleased they did what they did, for sure, but I personally had nothing to do with their achievements, and so to take pride would be misplaced.

So in answer to the poster - be pleased to be German, enjoy, appreciate and grow the wealth of culture that defines what it means to be German. And (if you feel you absolutely must) support the soccer team - just don't take it too seriously  

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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:01 pm

Without a doubt you should be proud of your heritage and make the most of it, however

what is the first thing that comes to most peoples minds when they think of Germany ?


1) World Wars / Third Reich / Holocaust / Hitler

2) BMW / Mercedes / Chocolate Smile
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:02 pm

You should be proud that you're German. Nothing wrong with that.

I am proud to have lived in Germany, to have family there, and to have German friends. If I had a choice to choose my nationality and Albanian was not available, the only other one that I would choose would be to be a Deutschlander.  Smile
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:05 pm



Quoting CF188A (Reply 10):
Chocolate

Nah. Chocolate should be Swiss, or Finnish. Mmmmm Fazer.
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:08 pm



Quoting CF188A (Reply 10):
Chocolate  Smile 

That should be Belgium  Wink
 
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:08 pm



Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 13):
That should be Belgium

An acceptible third option - but only for filled chocolates e.g. Leonidas or Godiva. Mmmm.
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:09 pm



Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
I remember the Soccer World cup , everywhere German Flags , but my Father refused to take a Flag into his hand

In your profile you say your father is/was a diplomat. Isn't it part of a diplomat's job, by definition, to represent his country? Wouldn't that include identifying with one's flag / flying the flag on official occasions, like on events where foreign diplomats are invited?

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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:09 pm



Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 6):
Lets rephrase that question Konstantin: Can the Germans be proud of you ?

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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:21 pm



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 9):
Ummm, except you've probably never been there, probably don't speak German and probably couldn't find it on a map Gotta love Hyphen-Americans.

Fortunately you yourself are constitutionally immune to silly nationalistic stereotypes, as we can see...!  mischievous 

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 9):
Being pleased to German, or American, or French, or whatever, because of the benefits it bestows makes a lot of sense, and so is being keen to share the belief that these benefits should be appreciated by others - but taking vicarious pride in the achievement of other people who happen by accident of birth to share the same nationality, is nonsensical.

I would mostly subscribe to that view. I do appreciate and identify with the communities I'm a part of, but I also have a co-responsibility for those communities. "Pride" as such tends to amplify itself in any group, with the responsibility aspect increasingly getting trampled below.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 9):
So in answer to the poster - be pleased to be German, enjoy, appreciate and grow the wealth of culture that defines what it means to be German. And (if you feel you absolutely must) support the soccer team - just don't take it too seriously

Tell that to the english!
 
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:22 pm



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 15):
An acceptible third option - but only for filled chocolates e.g. Leonidas or Godiva. Mmmm.

Next time you are in Austria watch out for ZOTTER-Chocolate.....  bigthumbsup 
 
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:24 pm



Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 18):
Next time you are in Austria watch out for ZOTTER-Chocolate.....

Will do. They're not the nasty marzipan ones with pictures of Mozart on them are they ? I don't like those  yuck .
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:27 pm



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 19):
Will do. They're not the nasty marzipan ones with pictures of Mozart on them are they ? I don't like those   .

No, see here

http://www.zotter.at/4.html


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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:45 pm



Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 6):
Lets rephrase that question Konstantin: Can the Germans be proud of you ?

I hope so .. ask me again in 50 years !

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 14):
In your profile you say your father is/was a diplomat. Isn't it part of a diplomat's job, by definition, to represent his country? Wouldn't that include identifying with one's flag / flying the flag on official occasions, like on events where foreign diplomats are invited?

Yea I understand . This seems strange also to me . But he refuses to show in any form a pride for his country .
Though he has been decorated for his job as Diplomat in every place he has been . For example with the Ordem Infante Dom Henrique in Portugal .

Even Presidents of Germany have said it :

Rau : I'm not proud of my country

Heinemann : Question : Do you love your country ?
Answer : No sir , I just love my Wife .


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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:52 pm



Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 13):
That should be Belgium



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 12):
Nah. Chocolate should be Swiss, or Finnish. Mmmmm Fazer.

german chocolate is still my fav Smile
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:19 pm

You should be proud of being German!

Think of all the famous good people Germany has brought to the world!
I will only quote a few.

Johann Sebastian Bach (and sons)
Ludwig van Beethoven
Johannes Brahms
Bertolt Brecht
Albrecht Dürer
Max Ernst
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Günter Grass
Hermann Hesse
Immanuel Kant
Karl Lagerfeld
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz
Martin Luther
Karl Marx
Felix Mendelsohn
Willy Messerschmidt (we are on A.net)
Friedrich Nietzsche
Carl Orff
Johann Pachelbel
Pope Benedict XVI Joseph Ratzinger
Claudia Schiffer
Friedrich Schiller
Arthur Schopenhauer
Albert Schweitzer
Richard Strauss
Richard Wagner
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:20 pm



Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 21):
Even Presidents of Germany have said it :

Rau : I'm not proud of my country

Heinemann : Question : Do you love your country ?
Answer : No sir , I just love my Wife .

No surprise, they were both in the same party, Social Democrats. Heinemann was actually the first from that breed who became President. I am fair and credit them that they lived during the Third Reich which probably led them to such an - for a President of a country - totally unacceptable remark. If a future German President would say such non.sense, he'd have to step down. Sorry, wrong job.

BTW - since we are an aviation forum - FRA Terminal 1 was officially opened by Mr. Heinemann. The capacity then was 25 Million pax/p.a. . He brabbled something about such "gigantism" and really showed that he did not like what he was doing there. A real ..shole.

He later ran a supermarket in Terminal 1 on level 0. (naaahh, that's a joke)

Getting back to the question -in 2009 we will celebrate 60 years Federal Republic of Germany. The best state with the best constitution that ever existed on German soil. Yes, we can be proud of that.
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:29 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 9):
So in answer to the poster - be pleased to be German, enjoy, appreciate and grow the wealth of culture that defines what it means to be German. And (if you feel you absolutely must) support the soccer team - just don't take it too seriously

Tell that to the english!

No point, the ones who would listen do not need telling and the ones that need telling will not listen.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 23):
I will only quote a few.

Johann Sebastian Bach (and sons)

For a.net I would have thought Junkers rather than the wily Willy.

Pls add Marlies Teichmueller and Marie Th Mackowsky, no you have not heard of them but you should have!
 
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:32 pm



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 24):
No surprise, they were both in the same party, Social Democrats.

You're only embarrassing yourself here.
 
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:34 pm

Yeah you can and should be proud of being German, but also it has to be in the context of Germany's recent past. The pride shouldn't and probably wouldn't in Europe today be tinged with a racist nationalism.

But you can feel pride of a fine piece of craftsmanship like a BMW motorcycle, or the poetry of Schiller, some reverse "retro" pride in Schlager music, or in a weird way, you might feel some, if not pride, then recognition, in how Germany dealt with what they did in WWII.

Every nation or people exploited some other nation or people who are less powerful. Often the first things the exploited do when they get powerful is find a people to go out and exploit. So I am saying the mark of a mature nation is how honestly and forthrightly they deal with the dark parts of their history. On that score Germany comes out OK. Germany had a much darker and more recent dark part to deal with but contrast that to Japan, or say France in Algeria, or Belgium in Congo. In France there is some discussion. Japan and Belgium suffer almost willful blindness to their past brutality. (Surprisingly, I do think that my own country does pretty well in dealing with past slavery, Jim Crow, and racism issues - not perfect, but pretty well.)

You might be too young for this but as a German you must never feel pride in Tangerine Dream or Can, never, ever.
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:40 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 23):
Pope Benedict XVI Joseph Ratzinger

Decent and good ? Yet to be proven, and in my opinion very highly doubtful. The man's a fascist.
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:43 pm



Quoting Baroque (Reply 25):
No point, the ones who would listen do not need telling and the ones that need telling will not listen.

So true - for our hooligans as well!
 
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:52 pm



Quoting Klaus (Reply 26):

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 24):
No surprise, they were both in the same party, Social Democrats.

You're only embarrassing yourself here.

No my freind, the SPD is always embarrassing itself. like in these days again in hesse.

I was mobbed (the word was not used in 1958) by teachers of the Cuxhaven Gymnasium in 1958 just because my father was a Navy officer. It wasn''t me alone, all other children of Navy offivers were treated like that. These teachers all hapened to be SPD members and they did not like that Germany was "re-armed". What they did not realize was, that this was one of the steps to bring Germany back into the world family of nations, with strong ties ti the West, imbedded into the nATO and later a founding member of the European Union. That was part the foundation of our today's standing in the world.

What these SPD teachers did was Sippenhaft and I don't have to tell you who last did that as well. Socialist are always alike, brown or red.
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:17 pm

Yes, Germany has a huge black mark for what happened during WWII but I do not hold it against people of German decent. If you want to be proud of who you are, go for it. You are not responsible for the actions of one man.
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:14 pm

I am german, and I'm not proud of it. I can't explain, but I can't identify with my country for some unknown reason..
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:15 pm

Yes you can be proud to be German. You have lots of good inventions and respected industries. If I buy something like an appliance for the house I always buy Siemens or Miele. Great design and built to last . Great train system and nice airports.

Time to forget the past and get on with life. No one can blame present day Germans for what happened in the past !!!
 
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:23 pm



Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
Hi guys !

Here in Germany we have a pretty big problem with our National Pride , in some way it's forbidden because of the Nazi Regime to show any form of National Pride ( Not by law - but by the Society) . if you see countries like the US or France with a very big national Pride ,
i find it sad that we Germans , don't have this "right" .

But I see it with myself .. I have problems with my conscience when I say I'm a proud German !

I remember the Soccer World cup , everywhere German Flags , but my Father refused to take a Flag into his hand , he was born during the 2WW , it was an impossible thing for him to show a pride for Germany !


What do non Germans think about German Pride , is there a Problem for you when Germans say that they're proud ?And do you think Germans have good reasons to be proud , or is the History too fatal ?

Constantin

Of course you can be proud of your country. Hell i am even proud of Germany and I'm not even German.

Its a serious problem if you(or any other german) cant identify yourself with your home country.
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:46 pm

What makes you say that?

I believe some of his entourage might be rather odd but himself?... He does not really look like he could be mean. He looks like a rather kind man and not distant. He shows a lot less of himself in public than Pope JPII used to.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 28):
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 23):
Pope Benedict XVI Joseph Ratzinger

Decent and good ? Yet to be proven, and in my opinion very highly doubtful. The man's a fascist.

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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:53 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 35):
He does not really look like he could be mean. He looks like a rather kind man and not distant. He shows a lot less of himself in public than Pope JPII used to.

Kind ? Really ? Some of his statements have been less than kind. Plus he is the ex-head of the Holy Inquisition. Anybody who volunteered for that job has to be at least a little twisted. I'm glad I'm not a Catholic - JP2 was OK (although completely gaga at the end), but this new guy, scary scary.
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:13 pm

I never really saw the point in patriotism, to be honest, but there's nothing wrong with being proud of your country if you like it, and its achievements. Probably every country has its less-proud historical moments, and Germany is certainly no exception, but to carry a guilt about things that happened long in the past (remember the old saying -- the past is a different country) is clearly ridiculous.

I've always been fascinated by Germany, enough to learn the language (ich hoffe eines Tages, fliessend zu sein!), and have travelled all over the country over the last 20+ years. I'm intrigued, and amused, by German precision and organisation: they really have these things down to a fine art. With a friend a couple of weeks ago in Berlin we boarded a train. It was his second visit to Germany, and when the train pulled out of the station he looked at his watch, smiled, and said that the train was one minute late. I looked at him, smiled and shook my head, saying "No, no, no . . . your watch is one minute fast". It really is amazing the way everything in Germany seems to just work. No spluttering and starting, everything seems to tick-over nicely. And, I have to say, I've always found the Germans very approachable and friendly.

And I noticed more national flags flying than there would have been in the past. Six years ago that wouldn't have been the case. Then the country was very much in the doldrums, but now it it quite obvious that the mighty German economic giant is stirring to life.

But I can see where you're coming from: I travelled frequently to the UK during the '70s and '80s. It was the height of the IRA campaign in the country, and on more than one occasion I visited at the time of their latest glorious   moment. And I have to say I never, ever encountered any hostility. Which I was grateful for, as, like you, I had nothing whatsoever to do with the crimes of others.

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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:38 pm



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 9):
Ummm, except you've probably never been there, probably don't speak German and probably couldn't find it on a map Gotta love Hyphen-Americans.

 rotfl  that just made my day

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 12):

well at least they make some damn good beer  biggrin 


Besides all the witty remarks, things in Germany have dramatically changed over the past 60 years. The Nazi regime ended despite there being a few neo-Nazis around. The Berlin Wall came down almost 20 years ago. As it has been said, the past is a different country. The only thing Germans can do now besides having some pride is being assured that they have a greater sense of morality and ethics than in the past.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
Fortunately you yourself are constitutionally immune to silly nationalistic stereotypes, as we can see...!

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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:08 pm



Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Absolutely.

But as has been said:

Quoting Fiatstilojtd (Reply 6):
Lets rephrase that question Konstantin: Can the Germans be proud of you ?

That oughta be the question . . . .
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:12 pm



Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 38):
The only thing Germans can do now besides having some pride is being assured that they have a greater sense of morality and ethics than in the past.

Now that's not much of a challenge, really...!  mischievous 
 
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:51 pm

Another incident which amused me was when we got talking to some Germans in a bar. My friend, like most Irish people after a few drinks, emphasised stories by repeating them. Each time he did, one of the Germans would say (in perfect English) "You've told us already".

I didn't realise it at the time, but my friend was taken aback, and even slightly offended. He mentioned it the following day and I had to reassure him. I explained that he didn't mean any offence whatsoever; he was just being German  Smile
 
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:56 pm



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 39):
That oughta be the question . . . .

And i have answered it already !
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:50 am

Regardless of the theoretical considerations: of the Germans I know that proclaim being "proud to be German", probably nine out of ten are utter knobheads.

That pretty much settles the question for me.
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:54 am



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 23):
Think of all the famous good people Germany has brought to the world!
I will only quote a few.

May I add:

Albert Einstein
Otto Hahn
Werner Von Braun
Max Planck
Georg Ohm
and
Colonel Klink


Seriously, I Iove the Bundesrepublik, having lived there in the 50's. I attended a 'Technische Hochschule' built by them in India. We never said thank you when we graduated so vielen Danke!



p.s. Long live Mecki.
 
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:05 am

Yes, You can be proud of being German. Remember, Hitler was Austrian, not German. Although I strongly condemn the Nazi's for WW2, that was a long time ago and I believe the country was brainwashed by Hitler.

Think about it man, You guys have given the world Porsche's, Chocolate, FRA, awesome cities, great soccer teams, ect.

One of the bad things to come out of Germany is Lutheranism but thats a different story.

Be proud your German, Fly your German flags and get drunk.

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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:35 am

I think it's entirely possible for a German to be proud of his country, particularly in light of the way Germany has responded over the decades to the events of WW2 and the Holocaust: as I understand it, every German schoolchild learns exactly what happened, no punches pulled. As opposed to Japan, where from what I've read the official textbooks gloss over much of the war and education officials have from time to time removed events from the textbooks entirely, in particular the "Rape of Nanking." Germany has been much more willing (at times almost obsessively so from the perspective of outsiders) to face what happened in the spirit of preventing it from happening again.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 23):
Think of all the famous good people Germany has brought to the world!
(snip)
Karl Marx

Don't know if this is a very good example of a "good" person, to be honest...Marxism and its descendants killed far more people than Fascism in the 20th century, and the deaths and repression go on to this day.
 
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:28 am



Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 21):
Rau : I'm not proud of my country

Heinemann : Question : Do you love your country ?
Answer : No sir , I just love my Wife .

shame to both !!

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 23):
Johann Sebastian Bach (and sons)
Ludwig van Beethoven
Johannes Brahms
Bertolt Brecht
Albrecht Dürer
Max Ernst
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Günter Grass
Hermann Hesse
Immanuel Kant
Karl Lagerfeld
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz
Martin Luther
Karl Marx
Felix Mendelsohn
Willy Messerschmidt (we are on A.net)
Friedrich Nietzsche
Carl Orff
Johann Pachelbel
Pope Benedict XVI Joseph Ratzinger
Claudia Schiffer
Friedrich Schiller
Arthur Schopenhauer
Albert Schweitzer
Richard Strauss
Richard Wagner
Ferdinand von Zeppelin (this is A.net)

you forget me  Smile

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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:58 am

As both of my Grandparents on my dad side coming from Poland I have a kind heart towards Poland and Eastern Europe. My Grandparents on my mother side came from the Czech Republic. I know my wife doesn't like that I support both Czech and Polish organizations here in the United States. I know till the day I die I will always help both Czechs and Polish people that come to America and try to start over.
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RE: Can I Be Proud Of Being German?

Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:05 am



Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
it was an impossible thing for him to show a pride for Germany !

Hell I can't blame you after Del Pierro's goal.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
What do non Germans think about German Pride , is there a Problem for you when Germans say that they're proud ?And do you think Germans have good reasons to be proud , or is the History too fatal ?

I love Germany and it's people, culture, food etc. I know what Hitler did was horrible but I don't think that reflects Germany today. You have a lot to be proud of, nobody builds a better car or offset multi color press!
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