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Nascar 4/36 - Atlanta

Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:27 am

Well it's the 4th race of the season and there's some interesting stories that have come out of this past week.

First off we have good ol' Cousin Carl getting nabbed for having the cover off of his oil tank, as well as accusations of him leaving clips on the window net down both of which are said to create additional downforce. Of course Toyota comes out and claims that they outright cheated, which really opens them up to harassment the first time they're caught this year. I'm personally surprised that no one from Roush came out and queried about Waltrip last year. I don't mind the penalty Edwards got, seems fair to me.

Then there was Robbie Gordon having his penalty overturned and fine increased. I agree that the points penalty should have been removed and the crew chief re-instated. It was Dodge's fault afterall, and I've heard that they (Dodge) is going to pay the 150K that Gordon was fined, a classy move on their part I think.

Today Smoke came out and ripped Goodyear for their tires this year, and I can't really blame him, it seems that Right fronts are blowing all over the place and people are ending up in the wall all too often. I don't blame Smoke for being annoyed, last week he had a decent car until he ended up riding the wall, good for him for speaking out.

Skinner is racing Allmendinger's car this week, probably a good call by the Red Bull team, they need to get into some races.

On a personal note I'm looking for a 4th consecutive top ten from the #9 Dodge.

Any thoughts on tomorrow's race or the events of the past week feel free to post them.
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RE: Nascar 4/36 - Atlanta

Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:29 am

Gordon in front.

Stewart qualified something abysmal like 33rd . . . WTF?

Quoting NeilYYZ (Thread starter):
I don't blame Smoke for being annoyed, last week he had a decent car until he ended up riding the wall,

Yup, he had a decent shot last week until he bingoed the wall . . .

And he wasn't alone with blown right side (front) tires . . .
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RE: Nascar 4/36 - Atlanta

Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:56 am

I'm glad Smoke ripped Goodyear. Goodyear gives them nothing but junk for tires and creates a safety hazard. I'm sick of those bastards at Goodyear not doing a damn thing when tires are blowing left and right. When a driver gets killed after blowing a tire, they should hold Goodyear responsible. I hope this never happens but something needs to be done.

IMO its time for a new tire company for Nascar



I dont like the whole cheating thing with Carl Edwards/Bob Osborne and I think Nascar needs to look into it more. However, he has not caught up with the biggest cheating crew chief, Chat "Cheater" Knaus yet.

I'm glad Nascar is back to a real track this weekend instead of the flat boring deserted Auto Club Speed of the People's Republic of California or the boring track of Las Vegas. Atlanta is fast, high banked, and the pavement is worn out and always provides exciting races. Drives can run multiple grooves, run 3 wide and run wide open. Hopefully Tony Stewart can get Toyota's first win in a Sprint Cup points race tomorrow. If not then I hope Kyle Busch or Denny Hamlin win.

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RE: Nascar 4/36 - Atlanta

Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:06 am



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):

Yup, he had a decent shot last week until he bingoed the wall . . .

He sure did. And Smoke ain't a driver known for pushing his car past its limit and winding up backing it into a wall, that honor is reserved for my boy Kahne. Those tires had best hold up tomorrow or Smoke will have one hell of a tirade post-race.

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 2):
I'm glad Smoke ripped Goodyear. Goodyear gives them nothing but junk for tires and creates a safety hazard.

Agree 100%.

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 2):
I'm glad Nascar is back to a real track this weekend instead of the flat boring deserted Auto Club Speed of the People's Republic of California or the boring track of Las Vegas. Atlanta is fast, high banked, and the pavement is worn out and always provides exciting races.

I agree again. I love 3 wide racing. I have to say though, if Cousin Carl wins this one, I'll be pissed.

I was watching all the pre-race and practice coverage, and they showed the oil cover, and what they were saying was that the 99 used the wrong bolts to hold it in place. Hammond showed the bolts the 99 used and the ones that were supposed to be used (ie. the ones that are self-locking) and I really don't see how that could have been an unintentional mistake. I think this penalty stands.
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RE: Nascar 4/36 - Atlanta

Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:44 am



Quoting NeilYYZ (Thread starter):
On a personal note I'm looking for a 4th consecutive top ten from the #9 Dodge.

Yea how about that Kasey Kahne? Whatever Ray did over the off season seems to be paying off.

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 2):

I agree, NASCAR should bring aboard a different tire manufacturer. With teams having an option to switch to Hoosier or Michelin tires, Goodyear will have an incentive to create better, more consistent tires.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 3):
I think this penalty stands.

Now if the 99 team appeals the penalty, what are the odds the review board makes the penalty even more severe? Certainly worth thinking about if you are Jack Roush or Bob Osbourne.

This weekend, I bet Jimmie Johnson rebounds from an embarrassing performance in Las Vegas and dominates the Atlanta race.

I was watching an interview with Scott Speed over the weekend and he kept repeating he has a cup ride waiting for him when he is ready. Would Team Red Bull add a 3rd car or will they kick Allmendinger out of the 84 to make room for Speed?
 
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RE: Nascar 4/36 - Atlanta

Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:20 am



Quoting National757 (Reply 4):
Whatever Ray did over the off season seems to be paying off.

I think the smartest move he did was sell the majority of the team to a businessman (Gillett), so that he can focus on what he's good at, the racing.

Quoting National757 (Reply 4):
Would Team Red Bull add a 3rd car or will they kick Allmendinger out of the 84 to make room for Speed?

Publicly they seem to be backing Allmendinger all the way. But who knows what goes on behind closed doors. I would be shocked if they decided to add a 3rd car, they're having a hell of a time with 2, I don't see how adding a 3rd would improve their situation.

Quoting National757 (Reply 4):

Now if the 99 team appeals the penalty, what are the odds the review board makes the penalty even more severe? Certainly worth thinking about if you are Jack Roush or Bob Osbourne.

That's a good point. I didn't even know they could do that.
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RE: Nascar 4/36 - Atlanta

Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:08 am

I doubt NASCAR will want another tire supplier. Goodyear is one of the biggest tire co's in the world, if not the biggest, with a lot of racing expericnce, is an American company and I believe NASCAR perfers having only 1 supplier for tires so so they can make sure there is fewer chances for variations in tires. A number of years ago, there was an attempt to have Hoosier tires in (then Winston) Cup racing. It only lasted a few races when a number of problems cropped up and Hoosier booted out and back to Goodyear as a sole supplier.
The Edwards oil box lid deal stinks to high heaven and who knows how it may have affected his California run? They were playing fast and loose with the rules, they figured they could get away with it and they didn't. Now they lose points that could come back to haunt them in the Chase season.
Comming back from a major accident and taking the pole is pretty good for Jeff Gordon. Him and other drivers were critical all week of the loopholes in the safety of some inside walls at some tracks lacking SAFER barriers or design issues as well as other tracks with there own issues.
 
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RE: Nascar 4/36 - Atlanta

Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:32 am



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Gordon in front.

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RE: Nascar 4/36 - Atlanta

Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:03 am



Quoting National757 (Reply 4):

I agree, NASCAR should bring aboard a different tire manufacturer. With teams having an option to switch to Hoosier or Michelin tires, Goodyear will have an incentive to create better, more consistent tires.

A tire war doesn't help anyone, and can be dangerous. As LTBEWR mentioned, we had Hoosier making tires for NASCAR before - 1988/89 and again in 1994 to be exact (I know, a lot of you weren't even born back then  Wink ) A tire war doesn't result in better, more consistent tires. It results in each manufacturer making softer tires, in order to be faster than the other guys. Softer tires, while fast initially, wear much quicker, and are more apt to come apart. During the 1988 season, at least 12 drivers were injured in crashes caused by tire failures. Do we really want to see that again?
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RE: Nascar 4/36 - Atlanta

Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:49 am



Quoting Moose135 (Reply 8):
Do we really want to see that again?

Who says we are going to see the same thing again?

If NASCAR can get its' head out of the sand and set minimum standards for Tires, I see no reason why other manufactures should not be allowed to compete in NASCAR. Other racing series (F1, WRC, etc) have or have had multiple tire manufactures, why can't NASCAR?

Quoting Moose135 (Reply 8):
(I know, a lot of you weren't even born back then Wink )

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RE: Nascar 4/36 - Atlanta

Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:01 pm

Kyle Busch wins it, Steart #2.

Toyota musta done sumthin the their engines in the off season . . . oras I suspect is really the case - the Waltrip crew that started with Toyota last year just suck and couldn't drive anyway  duck  .

Congrats to Gibbs and the boys . . . .

Boring race though, really . . . 8 cautions, mostly debris . . .

Bristol next week.
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RE: Nascar 4/36 - Atlanta

Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:09 pm



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 10):
Toyota musta done sumthin the their engines in the off season

Yep, as I posted on the Daytona thread, brand new clean-sheet engine design for '08.

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 2):
I'm glad Smoke ripped Goodyear

Now he rips them for bringing too hard of a tire. So let's see, if it's too soft it blows up and puts you in the wall - he'll complain. Too hard of a compound and he bitches about sliding around - everybody was sliding around today Goldilocks - man up and drive the thing.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Thread starter):
First off we have good ol' Cousin Carl getting nabbed for having the cover off of his oil tank

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RE: Nascar 4/36 - Atlanta

Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:12 pm

Congrats to Busch and Toyota. There had the dominant car this week.

Stewart's little rant there at the end was very amusing, although because he finished second I don't know if it will be given the credibility it deserved.

Kahne, if you're not backing the car into the wall your screwing up entering pit road. Oh well, still in the top 10, time to rebound at Dover next week.

It was a fairly entertaining race. I won't lie, there was a sinister grin on my face as I saw Cousin Carl blowing up with 50 laps to go.
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RE: Nascar 4/36 - Atlanta

Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:17 pm



Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 12):
It was a fairly entertaining race. I won't lie, there was a sinister grin on my face as I saw Cousin Carl blowing up with 50 laps to go.

Yeah, Jackie calls 'em Rousch Rats . . . for whatever reason she can't deal with Rousch Fenway Racing . . . not like I give a damn, as long as they won!  laughing 

Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 11):
everybody was sliding around today Goldilocks

Yup - no one was immune. Surprised someone didn't smash a wall, there were some pretty good saves out there - save Kahne  duck 
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RE: Nascar 4/36 - Atlanta

Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:22 pm

That was televised Valium...

The COT has completely ruined the sport, assuming you can still call it that. You might as well let NASCRAP own all the cars, because they're all the same anyway.

At least we can tear them up next week (hopefully) at Bristol, but the fall race was a snoozer too.

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RE: Nascar 4/36 - Atlanta

Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:26 pm



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 13):
Surprised someone didn't smash a wall, there were some pretty good saves out there - save Kahne

It sure did seem like the GEM boys had their hands full. Thankfully that little romp through the grass didn't end his day. Sadler took 3 spins before the wall finally came out and bit him in the ass.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 13):
for whatever reason she can't deal with Rousch Fenway Racing . . .

Maybe the only hat she likes is yours. Jack Roush's just doesn't cut it for her.
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RE: Nascar 4/36 - Atlanta

Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:25 am

That was so boring
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RE: Nascar 4/36 - Atlanta

Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:21 am



Quoting Duff44 (Reply 14):
That was televised Valium...

The COT has completely ruined the sport, assuming you can still call it that. You might as well let NASCRAP own all the cars, because they're all the same anyway.



Quoting N776AU (Reply 16):
That was so boring

Its not the COT, its all thanks to the cookie cutter racetracks.

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RE: Nascar 4/36 - Atlanta

Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:32 am



Quoting CAP2008 (Reply 17):

Its not the COT, its all thanks to the cookie cutter racetracks.

"If they were smart, they'd built themselves another Bristol, but they're not smart enough to do that"-Tony Stewart

Like I said in my first post, the race in Bristol last fall was dull too.
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RE: Nascar 4/36 - Atlanta

Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:36 am

Today's race was a kinda sad landmark with the first Sprint Cup class win by a Foreign branded (Japan) company, non-union made Toyota 1-2. The last time a foreign car won a NASCAR was a Jaguar sports car at a temporary road type track at Linden (NJ) Airport in 1954. There is no doubt that Toyota, in a very profitiable position can afford to put considerable investment in their racing vs. the USA co's with their bad run of huge losses and higher costs Toyota will never have to face. That investment along with getting a better team and drivers to run the cars has paid off quickly in Sprint Cup.
Ok, it wasn't the most exciting race but there were no major accidents, no one got hurt and there seemed to be some competition and passing. I do agree that there seems to be a significant issue with tires this year and at today's race it really showed in the turns with many cars getting loose to the edge of trouble. I do believe that there has been an attempt to put harder tires on the cars to reduce the number of tires used thus the costs for them as well as fewer pit stops.

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