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Sepp Blatter: "Football = Modern Slavery"

Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:30 pm

Check out the second half of this ESPN article.

"I think in football, there's too much modern slavery, in transferring players or buying players here and there, and putting them somewhere," Blatter said.

Yeah, Sepp. Nice perspective. Because Man U wants doucheb...Ronaldo to finish out his contract, and is paying him millions of pounds per year, he's 'enslaved.' Guys like Blatter are what's wrong with sports.

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Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:41 pm

To compare the situations of highly paid football/soccer players as to trades to slavery is insulting. Real slaves were never paid, lived in terrible conditions, worked to death, traded in ways that broke up families, treated often worse than cattle and so on. The fool that made that comment needs to make a big apology and even consider resigning from his job.
 
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RE: Sepp Blatter: "Football = Modern Slavery"

Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:36 pm

I wouldn't mind being enslaved for £120k a week.  sarcastic 

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Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:53 pm



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 1):
To compare the situations of highly paid football/soccer players as to trades to slavery is insulting. Real slaves were never paid, lived in terrible conditions, worked to death, traded in ways that broke up families, treated often worse than cattle and so on. The fool that made that comment needs to make a big apology and even consider resigning from his job.

That, and any professional athlete is playing their particular sport completely voluntarily. Nothing is forcing them to do so.
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RE: Sepp Blatter: "Football = Modern Slavery"

Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:54 pm

He should have been removed long ago. The way in which he seems to wade in on an issue that realistically has little to do with him using such offensive terms is just ridiculous. I'll be glad when FIFA and football as a whole are rid of him.
 
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RE: Sepp Blatter: "Football = Modern Slavery"

Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:38 pm

What a load of bull. He should keep his nose out of a transfer between two clubs amd if asked to comment then he should be impartial, not come out with this kind of crap
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RE: Sepp Blatter: "Football = Modern Slavery"

Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:48 pm

Poor football players. Hell Ronaldo is doing 200000 a week and he is talking about slavery.... God damn, I wanna be a slave too!
 
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Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:04 pm



Quoting EIRules (Reply 5):
He should keep his nose out of a transfer between two clubs amd if asked to comment then he should be impartial, not come out with this kind of crap

I wouldn't be at all surprised if a friend of his at Real Madrid had asked him to "help".

Regardless of Blatter's insane ramblings, anyone else think MUFC and especially Sir Alex Ferguson, complaining about another club's attempts to lure one of their players away, smacks of hypocrisy of the highest order?
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Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:34 pm

I'm sure some of the real life modern slaves in Africa would be curious to hear this.

I mean...wow...
 
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Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:37 pm



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 2):
I wouldn't mind being enslaved for £120k a week.

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Hey, most of world's population is being enslaved by their employers for a whole lot less $$$.  mischievous 
 
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Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:13 pm



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 7):
Regardless of Blatter's insane ramblings, anyone else think MUFC and especially Sir Alex Ferguson, complaining about another club's attempts to lure one of their players away, smacks of hypocrisy of the highest order?

Yes, and if it was any other club I'd feel absolutely no sympathy for them. Real Madrid make Man Utd look like paragons of virtue in comparison. They do this all the time, I have so little respect for them as a club.
 
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Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:24 pm



Quoting LHMARK (Thread starter):
"I think in football, there's too much modern slavery, in transferring players or buying players here and there, and putting them somewhere," Blatter said.

Well let's see, if a player doesn't want to get traded, he just says "no." He might lose his job, but nobody is holding a gun to his head. He signed up for it, he knows he could get traded.

And then I don't seem to recall the bit about slaves getting paid millions of dollars a year.

Someone needs to shove a football up this guy's...
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Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:26 pm

I thought this thread was going to be about the Packers telling Brett Farve that "He belongs to them"
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Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:46 pm

Sepp Blatter is a moron, there's no other way to describe this joker. The kind of rubbish that comes out of his mouth every once in a while is just amusing, god knows how he became the president of FIFA. Let's cry a river for Ronaldo, getting paid £120,000 a week, living in a £4 million mansion, driving fast cars, and being adored by millions around the world. I'd love to have a slice of this "slavery". The Blatters of this world need to step out of their fantasy world to realise what genuine slavery is.
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RE: Sepp Blatter: "Football = Modern Slavery"

Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:53 am

You know, there was a lot of talk like this around the time Curt Flood sacrificed his career for the greater good of baseball players, and it was a lot more appropriate back then where star players often had to get second jobs to support themselves while the owners made millions off their play. That just isn't the case today in modern sports, so I don't see what Blatter is crowing about.
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RE: Sepp Blatter: "Football = Modern Slavery"

Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:59 am



Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
That just isn't the case today in modern sports, so I don't see what Blatter is crowing about.

The players have zero loyalty to their clubs, they are just footballing mercenaries, selling their skills to the highest bidders.

Blatter is old enough to remember the pre-Bosman days, when his statement might have been closer to the truth. But these days, to describe a player as a "slave" is so far off the mark, it's laughable.
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RE: Sepp Blatter: "Football = Modern Slavery"

Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:14 pm



Quoting LHMARK (Thread starter):
Guys like Blatter are what's wrong with sports.



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 1):
To compare the situations of highly paid football/soccer players as to trades to slavery is insulting.

Obviously you guys are jumping on Blatter, when you really know nothing about football. The notion of slavery in the football paradigm really emerged with the Bosman Ruling in the mid 90s. Though players are compensated well, being bound to an entity or club in certain respects does amount to slavery. The word confusion is definitely there and I personally wish that a different word had been used all along. But the reality is that slavery is now part of the football vernacular, albeit in a totally bastardized sense. Pinning this on Blatter rather than Bosman and the Belgians is an indication that you don't know what you're talking about.

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 2):

It's about time Septic Bladder retired.



Quoting Davehammer (Reply 4):
He should have been removed long ago.

Agreed, though not for today's remarks.

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 7):
Regardless of Blatter's insane ramblings, anyone else think MUFC and especially Sir Alex Ferguson, complaining about another club's attempts to lure one of their players away, smacks of hypocrisy of the highest order?

Pretty much anything Man U does pisses somebody off! Often me.

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Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:49 pm



Quoting YOWza (Reply 16):
Though players are compensated well, being bound to an entity or club in certain respects does amount to slavery.

But that's why clubs and players' sign contracts. No one put a gun on Ronaldo to sign for ManU. So a contract should be respected by both parties, and if not economic compensation should be in place, but that's it. Yes they are bound to a club for the 2, 3, 4 years they agreed to in the first place. That's no way near slavery!
The average worker in any country working 10 hours/day to barely make enough $$ to pay his bills and knowing that he can be fired any second, and that he would possibly lose everything if that happens .. well, although that's not slavery, far from it, it's a much tougher situation than the "problems" these ever growing football whiners "suufer". And that's if you're lucky enough to even have a job  Angry
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RE: Sepp Blatter: "Football = Modern Slavery"

Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:52 pm



Quoting YOWza (Reply 16):
Though players are compensated well, being bound to an entity or club in certain respects does amount to slavery.

They are only bound to their club to the extent of the contracts they signed. That is consensual assent to play for a certain club for a certain period of time. Hardly slavery.
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Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:12 pm



Quoting LHMARK (Reply 18):
They are only bound to their club to the extent of the contracts they signed. That is consensual assent to play for a certain club for a certain period of time. Hardly slavery.



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 17):
No one put a gun on Ronaldo to sign for ManU. So a contract should be respected by both parties

I agree with what you have both said, but this was not exactly always the case in professional football. The whole reason that the word slavery in thrown about in football, is because of the context in which it appeared in the Bosman ruling. Bosman was contesting his right to freely move to another team AFTER his contractual obligation to Liege was up. This is essentially slavery because he was no longer free to choose where he worked and as a consequence would have been forced to work for as little as Liege wanted to pay him. I realize the situation with Ronaldo is different but the notion of "selling" a person is really quite synonymous with slavery so it's not too far of a stretch to use that word. For the North Americans amongst you, it's important to understand the structural differences in European sport; more complex entities, promotion, relegation etc but most importantly that clubs are not franchises of a given league so the cornering/enslavement aspect is a little different.

One must also keep in mind that Blatter is not an anglophone so the feel that that word has in his mind may not be as pronounced as it is to many of us who are.

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Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:51 pm



Quoting YOWza (Reply 19):
Bosman was contesting his right to freely move to another team AFTER his contractual obligation to Liege was up. This is essentially slavery because he was no longer free to choose where he worked and as a consequence would have been forced to work for as little as Liege wanted to pay him

I still don't see the slavery (note: I realize the poor choice of wording, but for a lack of a better one I'll stick to it). It's a working contract for the duration of it, and after that, the player can push for another, better paid, contract or offer his services (as an employee) to other clubs. Unless during his contracted period the club he belonged to sells him. But even then (and i see your point of a person being "sold"), the player has the ultimate decision in whether to accept a deal from another club. Yes, during the years that your contract is binding, the club owns your services, but you chose to accept those terms in the first place, and generally these contracts are for 2 or 3 years.

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Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 20):
offer his services (as an employee) to other clubs.

That's just it though, Liege were contesting his right to do this.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 20):
got lost in the long post ... am I making any sense?

Yes you are. I really struggled to write my last post too. For the record I don't like the word slavery being used either but it does get the idea of bondage across.

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Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:16 pm

The mention of Blatter not being an anglophone made me think of something else. Being Swiss, he's never really had the ugliness of slavery in his country's history. So maybe his remark lacks a certain amount of perspective. Still bloody callous and stupid, though.
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Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:41 pm



Quoting YOWza (Reply 21):
That's just it though, Liege were contesting his right to do this.

even after his contract expired? I'm not THAT familiar with the Bosman case and my memory doesn't help either  Wink
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Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:11 pm



Quoting YOWza (Reply 19):
Bosman was contesting his right to freely move to another team AFTER his contractual obligation to Liege was up. This is essentially slavery because he was no longer free to choose where he worked and as a consequence would have been forced to work for as little as Liege wanted to pay him.

In the Bosman case, you'd be absolutely right, because even if his contract was up, the club that wanted to hire him, would still have to pay a release.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 19):
I realize the situation with Ronaldo is different but the notion of "selling" a person is really quite synonymous with slavery so it's not too far of a stretch to use that word. For the North Americans amongst you, it's important to understand the structural differences in European sport; more complex entities, promotion, relegation etc but most importantly that clubs are not franchises of a given league so the cornering/enslavement aspect is a little different.

What about player trades in the NBA/NFL/MLB? Isn't that also slavery?

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with that particular argument. In football, it can be just the same as in US sports, only that more money could be made due to release payments, and higher salaries can be offered due to a lack of salary cap. And in the NBA, NFL or MLB (to name the biggest examples), nobody complains about trades being an equivalent of slavery, and neither do people in Europe when it comes to the transfer of players from one place to the other. That all technically went away after the Bosman ruling, because the ruling basically says that once your contract is up, you're free to do whatever the hell pleases you. But in the case of a player changing to another club before his contract with the current club expires, from a business and legal point of view, the selling club is entitled to some compensation because what the player is doing is technically breach of contract.

Granted, many sums of money paid for players are ridiculous, and maybe there should be a cap on how much a club can get for a player, but technically, if the player is still under contract, the club is entitled to compensation for this "legal" breach of contract.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 19):
One must also keep in mind that Blatter is not an anglophone so the feel that that word has in his mind may not be as pronounced as it is to many of us who are.

It doesn't matter if Blatter is Anglophone or not, he's still a tool. Blatter turned football into a commercial enterprise, while at the same time neglecting the game as a whole and pissing of many people, especially the fans. Blatter needs to go, NOW!
 
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Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:03 pm



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 24):
It doesn't matter if Blatter is Anglophone or not, he's still a tool.

Agreed.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 24):
Blatter turned football into a commercial enterprise, while at the same time neglecting the game as a whole and pissing of many people, especially the fans.

Well football is the world game, part of that is it commercial viability, partially helped by FIFA and some of Blatter's actions. Don't get me wrong I think he's a tool but he may be on of those guys not appreciated in his own time... MAY

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 24):
What about player trades in the NBA/NFL/MLB? Isn't that also slavery?

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with that particular argument. In football, it can be just the same as in US sports, only that more money could be made due to release payments, and higher salaries can be offered due to a lack of salary cap.

Well yes and no. There are a number of key differences between the North American major leagues. What is pretty common is that players are essentially employees of the leagues and are distributed out to franchises. This has draft implications etc. The key distinction is that because the player is working for the league, what teams can anad can't do and what discussions can take place are different than in Europe. That by no means players can't leave say the NBA and go play in Italy, but that requires a transfer between the NBA and the club in Italy, all brokered by FIBA. It's messy. I'm not saying that the notion of slavery in the Blatter sense is not here, but that it's different.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 24):
Granted, many sums of money paid for players are ridiculous, and maybe there should be a cap on how much a club can get for a player, but technically, if the player is still under contract, the club is entitled to compensation for this "legal" breach of contract.

Agreed.

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Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:45 pm



Quoting YOWza (Reply 25):
That by no means players can't leave say the NBA and go play in Italy, but that requires a transfer between the NBA and the club in Italy, all brokered by FIBA

But wouldn't the difference be that the Club in Europe is simply the NBA in the US? The players are employees of any of them and a transfer usually involves a large (way to large) amount of money, unless they are contract free.

Doesn't this happen in major corporatios too? Don't some contracts of some important players in any given company (I'm not sure of how common this is) have as part of their contracts that they can't work for the competition for x amount of time after they stopped working at their actual job? (disclaimer, I might have no clue on this, I think I read it somewhere, that's it  Smile )
If this is the case, it wouldn't be too different than professional sports (except fot the chicks involved if you're a top athlete Big grin)
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