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Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:23 am

Whats all this patriotism about a beer?
This is just business...
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:25 am



Quoting SWISSER (Reply 1):
Whats all this patriotism about a beer?
This is just business...

Agreed. I don't even know who owns my favorite brewery, but I still like the beer. I really don't care as long as the beer is good Big grin

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Quoting SWISSER (Reply 1):
Whats all this patriotism about a beer?
This is just business...

It's about another slice of Aemrica being sold to foreign interests. We sell everything, it seems, to overseas interest.

This is just another disgusting example of it.
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Quoting SWISSER (Reply 1):

you've obviously haven't been raised here, growing up with the commercials, the 'tradition,' the sporting events, etc. etc.

nor have you lived in Saint Louis.


as for Miller Brewing Company & Coors Brewing ... i bet they see their sales jump over this.
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
It's about another slice of Aemrica being sold to foreign interests. We sell everything, it seems, to overseas interest.

As a sign of the decline of American economic dominance. It's a global economy these days....

At least InBev manufactures drinkable beers  Wow!

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Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 5):
As a sign of the decline of American economic dominance. It's a global economy these days....

I don't give a damn. To sell somethinig as American as Budweister to a foreign company is practically a sacrilidge. Global economy or not, some things should remain at home.

Budweister is one.

Like STLGph said, you're not from here, so you can't understand that.
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:55 am

I never thought they'd go through with it. But in the end, I guess, money talks.

So very, very sad to see another American institution sell out.
 
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):

and you didn't live in St. Louis, either  Smile

but yes, it's just a nice board of directors taking the money and running.

AB isn't in any dire financial desperation.
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:56 am

Well it can only improve the product thats for sure. They might be an American Company yet they still produce a swill beer.
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:00 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):
To sell somethinig as American as Budweister to a foreign company is practically a sacrilidge.

Yeah, but maybe the beer will get better.  Big grin
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Quoting STLGph (Reply 4):
as for Miller Brewing Company & Coors Brewing ... i bet they see their sales jump over this.

Really? Coors is owned by Canadian Molsen, and Miller is owned by South African SAB. So, I'm not sure it matters anymore.
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Quoting PA110 (Reply 10):
Yeah, but maybe the beer will get better.

You guys are getting pretty upset, it's just the crappiest beer in America.
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:11 am

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 11):
Really? Coors is owned by Canadian Molsen, and Miller is owned by South African SAB. So, I'm not sure it matters anymore.

Your info is out of date. As of about a month ago, both Miller and Coors are the same company, which is a 50/50 joint venture between SABMiller Plc. (a UK company) and MolsonCoors (a US/Canadian company.)

It's a global economy. It really doesn't matter to me, I guess, because I tend to drink European or US craft beers anyhow.

For what it's worth, InBev is Belgian and Brazilian in nature. Lots of Brazilians running the show there. Anheuser gets to nominate some board members.

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Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:18 am

As long as the beer gets better, I don't care who owns it.

I don't drink Bud unless it is the absolutely ONLY option. I much prefer Fat Tire.
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Quoting PA110 (Reply 14):
As long as the beer gets better, I don't care who owns it.

I don't drink Bud unless it is the absolutely ONLY option. I much prefer Fat Tire.

I love Fat Tire! And bud well lets just say I would rather go thirsty then drink Bud.
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:27 am

We need more market-protections. Free market is fine to a point, but we have to be practical -- we can't just let bigger and bigger slices of America sold to foreign interests.


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Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:28 am



Quoting Tb727 (Reply 12):
Quoting PA110 (Reply 10):
Yeah, but maybe the beer will get better.

You guys are getting pretty upset, it's just the crappiest beer in America.



Quoting PA110 (Reply 14):
As long as the beer gets better, I don't care who owns it.

I don't drink Bud unless it is the absolutely ONLY option.

I have to agree here.
 
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:32 am

If it wasn't for the weak dollar, this deal wouldn't have likely happened, and we'd still have two competing companies. I think it's a lesson of how inflationary monetary policy can lead to buy-outs and concentration of capital, diminishing competition.

Not saying this deal is necessarily a bad thing, though.
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Quoting STLGph (Reply 8):
and you didn't live in St. Louis, either

Lived there for 4 months in 1987.  box 
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:41 am

This won't be the last of big foreign purchase of American based companies. There have been many in the past but this going after one of the biggest advertisers in the USA and the profits are leaving our country with a loss of some tax income.
The current value of the dollar is absolutely horrible. You have many foreign companies that are looking for ways to make money in the long run and see many advantages investing in the USA vs. their homelands due to very high cost labor laws, high income taxes on executives and declining markets at home.
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:18 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
It's about another slice of Aemrica being sold to foreign interests. We sell everything, it seems, to overseas interest.

This is just another disgusting example of it.

When you are the world's bargain basement (thanks to the economy), dollars (or in this case, euros) talk.

Granted this may be a blow to the nations ego (what if this was turned around and A-B bought Stella?), maybe we look to domestic micro-breweries and ensure their survival, instead.
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:36 am

It all comes around again. Not much different than when the Japanese were taking over in the 80s and then lost their a**. Remember Pebble Beach?
 
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:39 am



Quoting PA110 (Reply 10):
Yeah, but maybe the beer will get better.

Fully agree! Bud seems like diluted ditchwater anway. Hope InBev gives it some jolt and character.

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 1):
Whats all this patriotism about a beer?
This is just business...

Agree here too. Business as usual.
 
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:54 am



Quoting SWISSER (Reply 1):
Whats all this patriotism about a beer?
This is just business...

I know, they're reacting as if the US Constitution was sold! It's no different than what happened in the car industry when Ford bought Aston Martin, Jaguar, Volvo and Mazda, GM bought Saab and Opel, BMW bought Rolls-Royce, VW is the proud owner of Bentley and Lamborghini, etc. Companies don't define a country, the country's people do. To get so bent out of shape over a private company who's sole interest is to make money is simply ridiculous.

And as others have already said, with the weak dollar vs strong euro/pound, do expect more takeovers.
 
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):
I don't give a damn. To sell somethinig as American as Budweister to a foreign company is practically a sacrilidge. Global economy or not, some things should remain at home.

Well you can stick your pride to the sticking post. This is what is happening to the United States. Bit by bit. By bit.

And if you would like to know who is responsible, his address is:
1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:19 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
This is just another disgusting example of it.

I'd agree, except that in this case there is a decent chance that under Belgian control, Budweiser will become LESS disgusting.  Smile

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Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:57 am



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 24):
Quoting SWISSER (Reply 1):
Whats all this patriotism about a beer?
This is just business...

I know, they're reacting as if the US Constitution was sold! It's no different than what happened in the car industry when Ford bought Aston Martin, Jaguar, Volvo and Mazda, GM bought Saab and Opel, BMW bought Rolls-Royce, VW is the proud owner of Bentley and Lamborghini, etc. Companies don't define a country, the country's people do. To get so bent out of shape over a private company who's sole interest is to make money is simply ridiculous.

And as others have already said, with the weak dollar vs strong euro/pound, do expect more takeovers.

For decades, American firms bought our national icons in Australia and we were told to lighten up and get with the capitalist programme. Now the shoe is on the other foot, it's somewhat lame to be squealing patriotism....
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:28 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
It's about another slice of Aemrica being sold to foreign interests. We sell everything, it seems, to overseas interest.

Happens everywhere, you just need to get used to it.

Oh, and another thing, Budweiser - The King of Beers? Aye right  Yeah sure
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Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 11):
Really? Coors is owned by Canadian Molsen, and Miller is owned by South African SAB. So, I'm not sure it matters anymore.

it's old news, so it won't matter to most people.

plus people with good ole ties to Bud/Bud Light will buy Miller Lite instead, out of spite.

my comrades down south report this began happening as soon as news hit the airwaves at around 7:40 last night.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 19):
Lived there for 4 months in 1987.

ah, 1980's St. Louis. a true era, indeed.
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:21 am

Well, if you think Bud is the king of beers, just wait a few months/years.

I am sure Leuven-based InBev, who has been brewing beer since 1366 (!), will make use of the great network of it's newly conquered US affiliate A-B to distribute some of the greatest Belgian beers it brews to the USA.

Careful with them though, Belgian beers, especially the specialities, are not to be drunk like soda! Two of them in a row and you'll be as drunk as never before, but hey... are they good! ?

Bud... that's just what comes out of the Inbev breweries when they wash their tanks out! ?

For those of you who want to get to know the small Belgian town, which is the beer capital of the world:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuven

Some beautiful buildings are to be found there, amongst which the fabulous gothic town hall:
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afbeelding:Leuven_stadhuis.jpg

the 'grand place':
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afbeelding:Leuven-Grote-Markt.jpg

or the university library:
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afbeelding:LeuvenUniversityLibrary.jpg

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Quoting Slz396 (Reply 30):
Well, if you think Bud is the king of beers, just wait a few months/years

AB has over 48% of the U.S. beer market, but buying AB doesn't guarantee they'll be able to shove InBev products down everyone's throats here.
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:13 am



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 16):
We need more market-protections. Free market is fine to a point, but we have to be practical -- we can't just let bigger and bigger slices of America sold to foreign interests.

Not sure that is a sentiment that should be dignified with a response but what the hell!
The USA and her citizens have spent many decades(couple of centuries even) championing the principles of the free market. Mostly demonstrating that commitment by buying companies from around the world.
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:35 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
It's about another slice of Aemrica being sold to foreign interests. We sell everything, it seems, to overseas interest.

This is just another disgusting example of it.



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):
I don't give a damn. To sell somethinig as American as Budweister to a foreign company is practically a sacrilidge.

It's called the global economy. You know, that free economy you Americans have been advocating for decades? That economy.

And it's not like this is a one-way street. You should come over here and see just how many people here are working for companies that were once Belgian, and have now been taken over by foreign companies, often American. Hell, even Godiva, one of THE Belgian chocolate symbols, was bought by Americans.

In short: it's the global economy, deal with it.
 
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:38 am

Well I live in St Louis and couldn't care less. I told several people at work a couple of weeks ago that the stockholders were just posturing for money and didn't really give a damn about US ownership, or A-B being a St Louis institution, or it's effect on the local economy and lo and behold.....BINGO!

I'll be floating into work this morning with a smug "I-told-you-so" look on my face. Money talks, people.

Now where can I buy a t-shirt with a Belgian flag on it?
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:22 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
This is just another disgusting example of it.

For once I agree with you. I just watched the story on the new this morning and I am disappointed greatly that one of the biggest American symbols has done this. Proof positive that it is once again about the dollar.
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Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 34):
Now where can I buy a t-shirt with a Belgian flag on it?

In Overland, that might get a few laughs.

but in SoCo, where a great deal of the workforce lives ... probably not so much.  Sad
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Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 34):
Well I live in St Louis and couldn't care less

but, you should. there's almost nothing substantial about the Saint Louis economy anymore.
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Quoting StealthZ (Reply 32):
The USA and her citizens have spent many decades(couple of centuries even) championing the principles of the free market. Mostly demonstrating that commitment by buying companies from around the world.
Funny thing is when the boot is on the other foot it is a principle that should be discarded forthwith!



Quoting Scorpio (Reply 33):
In short: it's the global economy, deal with it.

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In other news:

Harley-Davidson Inc said it is acquiring the privately-owned Italian motorbike company MV Agusta for 70 million euros, including 45 million in debt, buying 95 percent stake from the Castiglioni family.

http://www.iii.co.uk/news/?type=afxn...4&subject=companies&action=article

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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 35):
Proof positive that it is once again about the dollar.

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Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:29 pm



Quoting STLGph (Reply 31):
AB has over 48% of the U.S. beer market, but buying AB doesn't guarantee they'll be able to shove InBev products down everyone's throats here.

As I mentioned in another thread, Anheuser-Busch happens to be the distributor for many of the InBev brands that are already sold here.
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Quoting N328KF (Reply 40):
As I mentioned in another thread, Anheuser-Busch happens to be the distributor for many of the InBev brands that are already sold here.

and?
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Quoting STLGph (Reply 41):
and?

And...so therefore InBev is essentially buying a distributor.

Also, The Wall Street Journal has said that InBev will probably cut Anheuser-Busch's advertising budget to almost nothing, expressing some concern at the same time that this is what has kept A-B on top.
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:54 pm



Quoting N328KF (Reply 42):
And...so therefore InBev is essentially buying a distributor

it's not going to guarantee them any more space in anyone's cooler or space on anyone's taps.
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:58 pm



Quoting STLGph (Reply 43):
it's not going to guarantee them any more space in anyone's cooler or space on anyone's taps.

No, but it increases their margins by taking a middleman out of the picture. It also ensures that they get those profits from Anheuser's own brands.

Listen, your ill will toward the deal is clearly clouding your ability to neutrally assess the merits of the deal. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's a bad transaction.
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:57 pm

Quality wise, though inbev controls large parts of the Belgian market, I don't really like their beers. They have Jupiler, Stella Artois, Kriek Belle-Vue, Leffe and Hoegaarden. For my daily pils, I much rather have a Maes, my Kriek is Lindemans, and for the speciality beers, I'll have an Orval  Smile

Still, this is just one big concern taking over another one, national pride hasn't got much to do with it. It's the globalised economy we live in. It's fun for us Belgians to think we take over this big American company, but how much of Inbev is still Belgian?
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:59 pm



Quoting N328KF (Reply 44):
No, but it increases their margins by taking a middleman out of the picture. It also ensures that they get those profits from Anheuser's own brands.

the way the distribution system works, there will always be a middle man.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 44):
Listen, your ill will toward the deal is clearly clouding your ability to neutrally assess the merits of the deal. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's a bad transaction.

i'm quite aware of the details of the deal. i'm also quite aware as to how liquor distribution works to stores, businesses, restaurants. and i'm thinking that you aren't.

it's nothing to do with enhancement of their products, as you believe. it's just a mere way of finding a quick path to being bigger than SABMiller and it's a mere way of the AB board doing something for a quick buck. AB is/was (mostly was, now) a great company but their management is/was stale and stagnant.
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Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:04 pm



Quoting STLGph (Reply 4):
as for Miller Brewing Company & Coors Brewing ... i bet they see their sales jump over this.

In St. Louis, yes. Other than that, there will probably by a minor dip, then business as usual. I'm sure the Clydesdale's are shedding some tears.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 36):
Now where can I buy a t-shirt with a Belgian flag on it?

In Overland, that might get a few laughs.

 rotfl  Nice!

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Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 47):
Schlafly's

OOOH ballz, i forgot about that. Phyllis Schlafly will soon have even more money that she won't know what do with.

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 47):
In St. Louis, yes. Other than that, there will probably by a minor dip, then business as usual. I'm sure the Clydesdale's are shedding some tears.

it won't be business as usual when Busch Stadium starts serving Coors Lite  Smile
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RE: The King Of Beers Now Bows To The Belgian Flag

Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:45 pm

I was also a bit upset when they bought Beck's a while ago. In the past there was a "Brauerei Beck & Co. Bremen, Germany" writing on the lable on the back side of the Beck's bottles (you immediately knew that you had a proper German beer in your hand), now the lable just says "InBev Vertrieb Deutschland", no word about a traditional company like Beck's anymore.  grumpy 

I admit that I was boycotting Beck's for a few months after InBev took them over but then I realized that there are way too many bars and discos that serve Beck's, it isn't really easy to boycott them for longer. Friday night was another example, I was at at "Pay-12-Euro-and-drink-as-much-beer-as-you-want" party, guess what they served.... right, Beck's beer of all kinds (regular Beck's, Beck's Gold, Beck's Green Lemon, Beck's Level 7, etc.). Of course did I drink 25 or more bottles.  Silly

Other German beer brands that are owned by InBev are Franziskaner, Hasseröder, Diebels, Gilde, Haake-Beck, Löwenbräu and Spaten. Actually incredible that such traditional breweries like Spaten or Löwenbräu are not companies of their own anymore. I am really glad that we still have really big breweries like Krombacher or Veltins which are still family owned, and I really hope that it will stay that way.

Patrick
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