max550
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John McCain Goes Online

Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:11 pm

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11711.html

With the amount that computers are used these days, is it really a good idea to elect a President who is just now learning how to use the internet?
It really strikes me as another thing where McCain is just like Bush. It's not that I have a problem with someone not using the internet, more the fact that like Bush, McCain seems to have a lack of interest in learning new things. Maybe he would be able to remember his positions on things if he knew how to use The Google (even Bush uses The Google to look at maps and stuff).
Don't you think that our President should be at least as computer literate as a 6th or 7th grader?
 
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RE: John McCain Goes Online

Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:35 pm

As unnecessary as the ability to "surf the net" to a president maybe.. It doesn't help his cause if he is trying to relate to voters. Just makes him look weird.

On the other hand you have Obama's children's on video making fun of his old belt and trousers.

I ask you.. what is more related to the US electorate?
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max550
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RE: John McCain Goes Online

Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:26 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 1):
As unnecessary as the ability to "surf the net" to a president maybe.. It doesn't help his cause if he is trying to relate to voters. Just makes him look weird.

Not only that, but I also think it shows a lack of interest in learning about things. Don't you think at some point when his people are showing him this stuff he would have said "oh, that looks like a good way to find information, show me how to do it." Instead, he's only learning it now because he has to so as not to look out of touch.

The person who could end up proposing bills and laws regarding the internet doesn't even have the skills necessary to use the internet.
 
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RE: John McCain Goes Online

Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:29 pm

You'd be surprised at the number of people who are still "old fashioned."

The minute 'we' do a news story and we can visit ....dot com and don't provide an address or a phone number, people flip out. It's almost like they have their local stations on speed dial in the instance that occurs. Funny how they never call if the town is mispronounced, the name is wrong, the weather is entirely off, or you just blatantly sit on the air and pick your nose and do nothing else for 10 minutes.

On the other hand, I entirely despise internet banking and am still a check writer and mailer.

[Edited 2008-07-15 11:30:08]
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RE: John McCain Goes Online

Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:26 am

It also perpetuates the image that he is old.

Well, it's not really an image, he IS old.  old 
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max550
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RE: John McCain Goes Online

Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:35 pm



Quoting Alfa75 (Reply 4):
It also perpetuates the image that he is old.

I don't know, my grandparents are 73 and have been online for the past decade at least. I think what's more worrisome because he doesn't seem to have an interest in learning new things.
 
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RE: John McCain Goes Online

Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:54 am



Quoting Max550 (Reply 5):
I think what's more worrisome because he doesn't seem to have an interest in learning new things.

A problem we have with our current president. (Sorry, he doesn't deserve a capitol P.)
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RE: John McCain Goes Online

Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:42 am



Quoting Max550 (Reply 5):
I don't know, my grandparents are 73 and have been online for the past decade at least. I think what's more worrisome because he doesn't seem to have an interest in learning new things.

My grandfather is 82 and lived his whole adult life in India, but has bought his own laptop, plays chess on it, and reads news over the internet. Of course he asks us for help installing things, but he does the rest on his own.
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RE: John McCain Goes Online

Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:40 am



Quoting Max550 (Thread starter):
is it really a good idea to elect a President who is just now learning how to use the internet?

Not so sure that would be a major sticking point when we've had 'nucular' Presidents and even a President who didn't know how to operate a cigar, but I'll have to agree that it will make him seem old, even irrelevant.

My mother, born in 1906, never learned to use a computer and my grandfather, born 1866 never learned to drive a car, though he owned several. I've always believed that one day a new technology will come along that each of us will die before mastering. This bit of info about a man who once mastered an A-4 Skyhawk might be troubling but for one thing: Have you ever been around a very powerful person?

I've seen generals, lowly three-star generals walk through a building without ever operating a doorknob. I've watched Ray Kroc step off the bottom of his G II airstair and start firing off orders to his managers who had arranged themselves in a semicircle at the base. By the time he got to the last man (without notes) the first ones were well on their way carrying out his instructions. It was said that when Dwight Eisenhower took office he attempted to dial his own phone call and discovered that he didn't know how. By the time dial telephones came along he already had an aide de camp who would have had his party on the line for him. Hell, when I've had a secretary I quickly forgot how to operate systems I myself had devised.

If I had more ambition I'd unlearn the internet this very day.

Now his legendary temper - that does worry me. Nixon had a temper. LBJ had a temper.
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RE: John McCain Goes Online

Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:42 pm



Quoting Alfa75 (Reply 6):
A problem we have with our current president. (Sorry, he doesn't deserve a capitol P.)

I'll give him a capital P, but that's what worries me about this. We don't need another President who has a lack of interest in learning things. I understand in the past you might not have needed to use a phone or anything like that, but I don't know if you can even get a decent job anymore without knowing how to use a computer.
 
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RE: John McCain Goes Online

Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:48 am

Personally I've always thought that those that call McCain too old for the job give us Obama supporters a bad name. That being said, the issue of McCain not knowing how to use a computer legitimizes this argument to an extend. Let's face it-the internet is an ever more important part of our lives. From the blogosphere to social networking to real time news, the internet is critical to American politics and culture. More importantly, its played a role in the "war" on terror. If our President doesn't understand how it all works, how can he possibly take full advantage of it, both in the election (as Obama has done) and as President?
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RE: John McCain Goes Online

Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:47 am

Ah, this reminds me of a nice television moment for our former Prime Minister Wim Kok. During a visit to a school he was asked to do something on the computer. He was asked to click on something on the screen and so he picked up the mouse and pointed it towards the screen like a remote control.

Made him look a little stupid, but also somehow, human.

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RE: John McCain Goes Online

Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:59 am

1. It's very much a sign that McCain is closed-minded
2. It's also elitist. He's got people to look things up for him and make his reservations, donchaknow.
 
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RE: John McCain Goes Online

Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:21 pm



Quoting MD-90 (Reply 12):
2. It's also elitist. He's got people to look things up for him and make his reservations

An elitist Republican??? Only Democrats can be elitist, didn't you get the memo?
 
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RE: John McCain Goes Online

Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:25 pm

You may not like McCain but you go too far concluding that, just because you spend 18 hours a day surfing porn and he doesn't, that there is something wrong with him.

Any Senator or Representative who IS really comfortable with the internet could fairly be accused of spending too little time reading the bills they so cavalierly sign into law.

Let me say it one more time for the working class: People who ascend to the levels that he moves in do not spend their days as you and I spend ours. They spend them studying things that are important. I value the internet more than telephone, television, music, pasta and public libraries put together but I still wouldn't go so far as to call it important.

Having a staff isn't being elitist. Voting yourselves lifetime automatic pay raises and serving one term and getting to keep your full salary and benefits for life - that is elitist.
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RE: John McCain Goes Online

Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:50 pm



Quoting SlamClick (Reply 14):
You may not like McCain but you go too far concluding that, just because you spend 18 hours a day surfing porn and he doesn't, that there is something wrong with him.

First off, I only spend about 10 hours a day surfing porn  bigthumbsup . Second, I have no problem with McCain not using the internet all the time. My problem is that he doesn't have a passing knowledge of it. I want a President who is interested in learning things. I would think that at some point in the past decade or so he would have learned how to use the internet for a simple search or something.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 14):
Any Senator or Representative who IS really comfortable with the internet could fairly be accused of spending too little time reading the bills they so cavalierly sign into law.

It all depends how they use the internet. If they're surfing porn like me then yes, they could be accused of not reading the bills they sign into law. But if they have no interest in something, they could fairly be accused of passing legislation into law related to things they know nothing about.
If he has people to do all this stuff for him, what makes you think he is reading the bills he's voting on? I think that is reinforced even more by the fact that he seems to have trouble remembering what he's voted on. It may have been acceptable 10 or 20 years ago to mis-state something, but not anymore, when anyone can do a quick search and find out the correct answer in 15 seconds.

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