22right
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Best Way To Find Strategy Jobs In The UK?

Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:54 pm

Hello everyone,

I am currently with a top 3 management consulting firm in the US. I am getting tired of the consulting lifestyle (travel 4 days a week, working 12-14 hour days, staying in hotels and eating out all the time, etc) and am thinking of doing something else. After visiting London a couple of times recently I am tempted to move to the UK and work in London for a few years. Would be great exposure/change for my wife and kids as well.

My question is: what would be the best way to find appropriate jobs in the UK? By approporiate I mean strategy/business development/marketing strategy type roles with large Fortune 500-ish companies in and around London. Are there any headhunters/recruiters you can recommend who specialise in hiring ex-management consultants from brand-name consulting firms? FYI, I am a US citizen. Will that impose any issues with getting a work visa?

Any pointers/hints will be appreciated.
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gordonsmall
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RE: Best Way To Find Strategy Jobs In The UK?

Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:07 pm

You say .....

Quoting 22right (Thread starter):
I am getting tired of the consulting lifestyle (travel 4 days a week, working 12-14 hour days, staying in hotels and eating out all the time, etc)

.... but what makes you think working in ......

Quoting 22right (Thread starter):
strategy/business development/marketing strategy type roles with large Fortune 500-ish companies in and around London.

.... will be any different?

I can assure you from bitter experience, doing any sort of consulting work, particfularly in the UK (regardless if you dress it up as 'strategy') will generally see you out on the road for at least part of your week.

Also, whilst the lure of having an office/desk based job may seem appealing at the moment, you'll soon miss being out on the road.

Just my opinion!
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RE: Best Way To Find Strategy Jobs In The UK?

Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:27 pm

Sorry, but is this the most ironic thread of all time? Am I dreaming? heh...  

For one thing, you would already know the top firms in London. Why not apply for a job at those firms?

Of course, all the American firms and banks are well represented in London ... so in theory this is within the knowledge base of your colleagues at the London office... have you taken them out for drinks?

Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 1):
(regardless if you dress it up as 'strategy')

LOL well played, sir.

Sorry, I mean it is all too easy to exercise one's habits for criticism online. Still, you are asking for strategic consultation from us. That's what is ironic. Good day

[Edited 2008-07-17 08:28:35]
 
22right
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RE: Best Way To Find Strategy Jobs In The UK?

Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:14 pm



Quoting Flighty (Reply 2):
I can assure you from bitter experience, doing any sort of consulting work, particfularly in the UK (regardless if you dress it up as 'strategy') will generally see you out on the road for at least part of your week.

Maybe I wasnt clear enough or maybe you didnt read my post completely. I said I am tired of (and hence want to get out of) consulting, so not sure why you are telling me this....

Quoting Flighty (Reply 2):
For one thing, you would already know the top firms in London. Why not apply for a job at those firms?

Say, Sherlock, how did you jump to that conclusion? I m based in the US, have never really done any major work in London (except for a few recent trips for meetings) so dont necessarily "know" the appropriate companies in London. "Knowing" is more than having a name and a website for a company. I can look them up easily enough but often times simply applying to companies thru' their websites isnt quite as effective as working with a good executive recruiter who has appropriate high level contacts.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 2):
Of course, all the American firms and banks are well represented in London ... so in theory this is within the knowledge base of your colleagues at the London office... have you taken them out for drinks?

Again, Einstein, I am based in the US, I dont know anyone in the London office and it is a bit impractical to take them out for drinks... Further, just asking a bunch of your colleagues in another office to give you advice on leaving your present company and finding another job doesnt strike me as particularly smart.

All I wanted were some opinions not "strategic consultation". I can obviously start tapping into networks thru' my b-school alumni etc, but sometimes I have found some very useful advice coming from the international crowd on this board. But at other times, the bitter and acerbic individuals you encounter around here can be painful....
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RE: Best Way To Find Strategy Jobs In The UK?

Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:17 pm

You want to consult on strategy for Fortune 500 companies but you can't even come up with your own plan to get a job. Typical consultant. Tells you what you need to change but has no idea about what they are talking about.
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RE: Best Way To Find Strategy Jobs In The UK?

Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:20 pm



Quoting Pope (Reply 4):
You want to consult on strategy for Fortune 500 companies but you can't even come up with your own plan to get a job. Typical consultant. Tells you what you need to change but has no idea about what they are talking about.

Another genius on the bandwagon.....
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RE: Best Way To Find Strategy Jobs In The UK?

Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:27 pm

What about a company transfer with your current employer? It would save having to convince a new employer in London to go through the trouble of getting you into the country.
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RE: Best Way To Find Strategy Jobs In The UK?

Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:49 pm



Quoting BristolFlyer (Reply 6):
What about a company transfer with your current employer? It would save having to convince a new employer in London to go through the trouble of getting you into the country.

I agree. Ordinarily, that would have been the best way to go. However, I am interested in leaving my current employer primarily because I would like to move on from consulting into a more corporate type position. Thanks for the input, though.
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RE: Best Way To Find Strategy Jobs In The UK?

Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:57 pm



Quoting 22right (Reply 5):

Another genius on the bandwagon.....

This genius was smart enough to get out of consulting 10 years ago and now runs my own company where I work 1/2 as hard and make 5 times as much. But I'm sure that you're much smarter than I am.
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RE: Best Way To Find Strategy Jobs In The UK?

Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:31 pm



Quoting Pope (Reply 8):
Quoting 22right (Reply 5):

Another genius on the bandwagon.....

This genius was smart enough to get out of consulting 10 years ago and now runs my own company where I work 1/2 as hard and make 5 times as much. But I'm sure that you're much smarter than I am.

It's funny you say that because that's exactly what a lot of fellow consulting colleagues do..I'm just starting out in the business (2 1/2 yrs) and wonder what the future holds. I guess I am headed in the same path and honestly am not sure either as to what the future holds.

I'm a UK citizen so be forewarned that London is VERY expensive as far as living costs go. Most of my friends make what I do in Pounds but I definitely have the better standard of living in Boston.

Aside from that, London is a pretty cool city to live in. I got my Masters from LSE and it was a very rewarding experience.

Seems like if you are smart, you leave as soon as you get an opening. Some people at my company end up working for their clients.

I'm hardly experienced enough to say where to go for sure, but it seems Consulting prepares you for a management slot. The more enterprising consultants start their own firms like Pope has.


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RE: Best Way To Find Strategy Jobs In The UK?

Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:55 pm



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 9):
Consulting prepares you for a management slot

Funny that, always knew that was how it worked.. always felt it should be the other way around though!
I work with 2 MBA's ,my manager actually confessed that he only sees numbers cascading down like the green screens in The Matrix movies and has no actual skills that contribute to the business... the other works for me and has trouble with not only the simplest business concepts but grammar and arithmetic.
Not sure what value either of them get out of their investment(Though my manager thinks he does)

Just my 2c worth and nothing to do with the thread starter really.
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RE: Best Way To Find Strategy Jobs In The UK?

Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:04 pm



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 10):

Funny that, always knew that was how it worked.. always felt it should be the other way around though!
I work with 2 MBA's ,my manager actually confessed that he only sees numbers cascading down like the green screens in The Matrix movies and has no actual skills that contribute to the business... the other works for me and has trouble with not only the simplest business concepts but grammar and arithmetic.
Not sure what value either of them get out of their investment(Though my manager thinks he does)

Just my 2c worth and nothing to do with the thread starter really.



I have to agree with you...I always had this impression that MBAs from the top ten B-schools were geniuses. My background is in Economics and I did my masters in Mathematical Finance (Derivatives) and I seem to know a heck of alot more about numbers than the MBAs from Columbia..

My company has a knack for hiring Engineering students who went on to get their MBAs...Now they are pretty sharp people..

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